Ford already has 20,000 reservations for new electric F-150 Lightning pickup

[BULLDOG]

Looks like there is some interest in this vehicle---When the worlds most popular truck, the F-150, goes electric--it's a sign--of course, a lot of Right wing types won't buy it..since they can't blow a bunch of obnoxious smoke...LOL!

Ford already has 20,000 reservations for new electric F-150 Lightning pickup

The automaker revealed the vehicle at 9:30 p.m. ET Wednesday night during an elaborate presentation at the company's world headquarters in Dearborn, Mich. The company's shares jumped by about 3% in premarket training.
The reservations are being closely watched by the company as well as investors to gauge the interest of customers in EV pickups, which is an unproven segment that automakers are rushing to enter.
Ford is taking reservations for the vehicle on its website. A refundable $100 deposit is required.

I can't argue against those dumbasses with Diesels stinking up the air all around them.
Hate them fucking things

and how much food do you eat that is powered from a gas, or electric vheicle.

He probably thinks that electric combines and tractors are going to farm all the food he eats.

I swear these Moon Bats are all idiots that have no ability to think.

There probably will be electric combines and tractors before too long. Our freight trains are electric.

You dumb shit. Unless the power grid is serviced by a nuclear power plant electric trains are powered by fossil fuel power generation.

You Moon Bat idiots think that EV batteries generate electricity, don't you? You are too dumb to know that they only store electricity that has been (mostly) generated by fossil fuels.

You have no idea how much power it would take to charge up all the farm tractors, combines and tractors in the US, do you? No less the trucks and trains needed for food distribution.

 

[badger2]

American lithium recycling plants will be green and the envy. They will be clean, efficient and create jobs. Microorganisms will assist, such as Acidithiobacillus:

2019 Shanghai

Mechanism underlying the bioleaching process of LiCoO2 by sulfur-oxidizing and iron-oxidizing bacteria - PubMed

Benefiting from lower operational costs and energy requirements than do hydrometallurgical and pyrometallurgical processes in metal recovery, the bioleaching of LiCoO₂ through the use of sulfur-oxidizing and iron-oxidizing bacteria has drawn increasing attention. However, the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

’....The recovery of Li+ and Co2+ could be increased to 100% and 93.3% by bacteria. Moreover, extracellular polymeric substances secreted by bacteria were found to be a factor for the improvement of Li+ and Co2+ recovery.’

 

[Dana7360]

No they sold it before the person took delivery on it.

How stupid are you?

How stupid am I? Lmao! They have to sell it before the customer can take delivery of it!

It's been done for decades.

The first one I remember was the VW Rabbit in the early 80s.

The person orders the car and it's built to their specific order. They aren't mass produced yet. When they have been on the market for a while they will be mass produced.

It was the same way with the first hybrid we bought.

Where have you been?

You must radiate stupid 24/7. You can't grasp the simple reality the company still has to sell you the product BEFORE you can take it. You cant take it before you pay them for it. Good God you people are thick. No wonder you swallow all the leftists shtick.

That's what prepay means.

They do that on a lot of new technology and cars. They don't mass produce them until they know for sure there's a market for it. So in the beginning they are made to order. The person orders the car, pays for it and it's made. Once they know there is a market for the vehicle and have a good idea on how many they should produce every year, you will see them being mass produced and at the dealer to be sold.

The fact that you don't know this tells me a few things. First you've never bought a new car with new technology. It also tells me that you have no concept of how new technology is released at least with vehicles.

You seem to be the only person who has a problem with it. Millions of Americans have bought their cars just that way. Including me. I have bought a Chevy Volt that way and a Toyota Prius. Both when they first came out on the market. At the time I bought the Prius there are none on the lot. Just the one the dealer has for test drives. I ordered the Prius I wanted. They built it and I took possession of it when it was built.

I know if you go to a dealership and want to have add ons that most people don't want and no cars are reproduced with that add on, you have to pre buy that car, then they make it to your specifications.

You obviously have never done that. You probably haven't even bought a new vehicle in your life. So you have no concept of how cars are sold and how new technology is sold.

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Thank you for so childishly and predictably admitting defeat and you're wrong. LOL.

 

[Dana7360]

No they sold it before the person took delivery on it.

How stupid are you?

How stupid am I? Lmao! They have to sell it before the customer can take delivery of it!

It's been done for decades.

The first one I remember was the VW Rabbit in the early 80s.

The person orders the car and it's built to their specific order. They aren't mass produced yet. When they have been on the market for a while they will be mass produced.

It was the same way with the first hybrid we bought.

Where have you been?

You must radiate stupid 24/7. You can't grasp the simple reality the company still has to sell you the product BEFORE you can take it. You cant take it before you pay them for it. Good God you people are thick. No wonder you swallow all the leftists shtick.

That's what prepay means.

They do that on a lot of new technology and cars. They don't mass produce them until they know for sure there's a market for it. So in the beginning they are made to order. The person orders the car, pays for it and it's made. Once they know there is a market for the vehicle and have a good idea on how many they should produce every year, you will see them being mass produced and at the dealer to be sold.

The fact that you don't know this tells me a few things. First you've never bought a new car with new technology. It also tells me that you have no concept of how new technology is released at least with vehicles.

You seem to be the only person who has a problem with it. Millions of Americans have bought their cars just that way. Including me. I have bought a Chevy Volt that way and a Toyota Prius. Both when they first came out on the market. At the time I bought the Prius there are none on the lot. Just the one the dealer has for test drives. I ordered the Prius I wanted. They built it and I took possession of it when it was built.

I know if you go to a dealership and want to have add ons that most people don't want and no cars are reproduced with that add on, you have to pre buy that car, then they make it to your specifications.

You obviously have never done that. You probably haven't even bought a new vehicle in your life. So you have no concept of how cars are sold and how new technology is sold.

Yep, this is often a way to build hype around the vehicle as well. The Ford Bronco is going through the same process. It's a gas vehicle though so they don't care about this sort of auto purchase in that case.

Yes it's logical and responsible marketing of new products and technology.

Why produce a bunch of product that you don't know will be bought and you don't know how many to produce?

No responsible vehicle manufacturer is going to mass produce a new vehicle with new technology the first year or so they are on the market. They are going to and do offer the vehicle to be ordered and made to the customer's specifications for the first few years to learn what people will want and how many they will want so they can responsibly produce those vehicles.

The fact that trump person doesn't know this isn't a surprise to me.

I know when dealing with people who believe that Barak Obama is a muslim from Kenya and Michelle is a man, that I'm never going to get anything close to intelligence, honesty or anything close to reality.

 

[HappyJoy]

No they sold it before the person took delivery on it.

How stupid are you?

How stupid am I? Lmao! They have to sell it before the customer can take delivery of it!

It's been done for decades.

The first one I remember was the VW Rabbit in the early 80s.

The person orders the car and it's built to their specific order. They aren't mass produced yet. When they have been on the market for a while they will be mass produced.

It was the same way with the first hybrid we bought.

Where have you been?

You must radiate stupid 24/7. You can't grasp the simple reality the company still has to sell you the product BEFORE you can take it. You cant take it before you pay them for it. Good God you people are thick. No wonder you swallow all the leftists shtick.

That's what prepay means.

They do that on a lot of new technology and cars. They don't mass produce them until they know for sure there's a market for it. So in the beginning they are made to order. The person orders the car, pays for it and it's made. Once they know there is a market for the vehicle and have a good idea on how many they should produce every year, you will see them being mass produced and at the dealer to be sold.

The fact that you don't know this tells me a few things. First you've never bought a new car with new technology. It also tells me that you have no concept of how new technology is released at least with vehicles.

You seem to be the only person who has a problem with it. Millions of Americans have bought their cars just that way. Including me. I have bought a Chevy Volt that way and a Toyota Prius. Both when they first came out on the market. At the time I bought the Prius there are none on the lot. Just the one the dealer has for test drives. I ordered the Prius I wanted. They built it and I took possession of it when it was built.

I know if you go to a dealership and want to have add ons that most people don't want and no cars are reproduced with that add on, you have to pre buy that car, then they make it to your specifications.

You obviously have never done that. You probably haven't even bought a new vehicle in your life. So you have no concept of how cars are sold and how new technology is sold.

View attachment 491629

Thank you for so childishly and predictably admitting defeat and you're wrong. LOL.

In a way it looks like Mike summed up their entire argument with that post.

 

[Dana7360]

The battery pack on that stupid truck weights almost a ton and without a load it can hardly go 200 miles on a charge so only an idiot would buy one.

Ford has no worries. All these stupid Democrats in charge of the big city shitholes, Communist states and the Federal government will buy fleets of them with taxpayer's money. It will be a terrible purchase but doing stupid purchases have never stopped Democrats has it?

Thats a very good prediction. I’m disappointed I didn’t say it first.

People buy cars based on their weight or based on how much they can haul? Nobody cares how much a Tesla weighs or the old/new Hummers.

These trucks could make excellent fleet vehicles that stay within urban centers. With the exception of range these can be excellent work trucks, they start off every morning with a full tank, they have an onboard generator for electric tools and their maintenance like most EVs should be about half the cost of gas vehicles.

I'm really thinking you guys are letting your ulterior motives cloud your opinions.

I’m just agreeing that local governments are going to be buying these like crazy and Ford knows it. The capacity and the quality of the truck is irrelevant at this point. That might be a discussion in a few years once the guinea pigs are finished.

Please tell all of the board what is wrong with the US government buying vehicles made by Americans in America?

That is something that republicans don't seem to want to do.

What happened to that America first mantra?

I want our government to buy environmentally responsible vehicles made by Americans here in America.

Are you saying you don't want that to happen?

 

[HappyJoy]

No they sold it before the person took delivery on it.

How stupid are you?

How stupid am I? Lmao! They have to sell it before the customer can take delivery of it!

It's been done for decades.

The first one I remember was the VW Rabbit in the early 80s.

The person orders the car and it's built to their specific order. They aren't mass produced yet. When they have been on the market for a while they will be mass produced.

It was the same way with the first hybrid we bought.

Where have you been?

You must radiate stupid 24/7. You can't grasp the simple reality the company still has to sell you the product BEFORE you can take it. You cant take it before you pay them for it. Good God you people are thick. No wonder you swallow all the leftists shtick.

That's what prepay means.

They do that on a lot of new technology and cars. They don't mass produce them until they know for sure there's a market for it. So in the beginning they are made to order. The person orders the car, pays for it and it's made. Once they know there is a market for the vehicle and have a good idea on how many they should produce every year, you will see them being mass produced and at the dealer to be sold.

The fact that you don't know this tells me a few things. First you've never bought a new car with new technology. It also tells me that you have no concept of how new technology is released at least with vehicles.

You seem to be the only person who has a problem with it. Millions of Americans have bought their cars just that way. Including me. I have bought a Chevy Volt that way and a Toyota Prius. Both when they first came out on the market. At the time I bought the Prius there are none on the lot. Just the one the dealer has for test drives. I ordered the Prius I wanted. They built it and I took possession of it when it was built.

I know if you go to a dealership and want to have add ons that most people don't want and no cars are reproduced with that add on, you have to pre buy that car, then they make it to your specifications.

You obviously have never done that. You probably haven't even bought a new vehicle in your life. So you have no concept of how cars are sold and how new technology is sold.

Yep, this is often a way to build hype around the vehicle as well. The Ford Bronco is going through the same process. It's a gas vehicle though so they don't care about this sort of auto purchase in that case.

Yes it's logical and responsible marketing of new products and technology.

Why produce a bunch of product that you don't know will be bought and you don't know how many to produce?

No responsible vehicle manufacturer is going to mass produce a new vehicle with new technology the first year or so they are on the market. They are going to and do offer the vehicle to be ordered and made to the customer's specifications for the first few years to learn what people will want and how many they will want so they can responsibly produce those vehicles.

The fact that trump person doesn't know this isn't a surprise to me.

I know when dealing with people who believe that Barak Obama is a muslim from Kenya and Michelle is a man, that I'm never going to get anything close to intelligence, honesty or anything close to reality.

Yeah, it's depressing.

 

[Flash]

The battery pack on that stupid truck weights almost a ton and without a load it can hardly go 200 miles on a charge so only an idiot would buy one.

Ford has no worries. All these stupid Democrats in charge of the big city shitholes, Communist states and the Federal government will buy fleets of them with taxpayer's money. It will be a terrible purchase but doing stupid purchases have never stopped Democrats has it?

Thats a very good prediction. I’m disappointed I didn’t say it first.

People buy cars based on their weight or based on how much they can haul? Nobody cares how much a Tesla weighs or the old/new Hummers.

These trucks could make excellent fleet vehicles that stay within urban centers. With the exception of range these can be excellent work trucks, they start off every morning with a full tank, they have an onboard generator for electric tools and their maintenance like most EVs should be about half the cost of gas vehicles.

I'm really thinking you guys are letting your ulterior motives cloud your opinions.

I’m just agreeing that local governments are going to be buying these like crazy and Ford knows it. The capacity and the quality of the truck is irrelevant at this point. That might be a discussion in a few years once the guinea pigs are finished.

I hope they do. That will help improve the vehicle and push us closer to being less reliant on fossil fuels. They also appear to have a pretty good warranty and won't require as much maintenance.

How can EV make us "less reliant on fossil fuels" when they are going to charged by mostly fossil fuel power generation?

The combustion engine isn't as efficient as a power plant. And not all power generation is the same. As our sources of energy become more green then so will our transportation. And whether you like it or not, that's happening.

But let's go with a real world example that didn't really exist 10 or 15 years ago. That would be home solar. I have solar and I could park and charge this truck in my garage and fill it up for free. Currently I'm selling power back to the utility company so I have energy to spare, so do millions of others who already have solar.

Now with home solar you won't be able to fill up at night however home battery systems that will store electricity from your solar panels are increasing in use as they become more affordable so that will also help to charge the vehicles with zero emissions and on your own system, no need to employ a utility company at all.

However, like I said those utility companies will also continue to transition away from coal.

You do know that the batteries do not produce energy, don't you? All they do is (poorly) store electricity generated elsewhere.

I think everyone has a basic understanding that batteries store not generate power, but I dig your oversimplified and inept 'own the libs' strategy.

About maintenance. After a few years of operation they will all need to have their batteries replaced, at a tremendous cost. This is after they have been losing efficiency.

A few? How many years? How much has the EV user saved by fewer moving parts breaking and needing replacement, oil changes and other maintenance items that EVs don't require let alone cheaper energy costs?

Another thing. Why would you want your family driving down the road on a ton of batteries that the USPS won't even allow to be shipped parcel post?

Right, strap them down to a 20-50 gallon tank of flammable liquid instead. Have you tried shipping a gallon of gas?

Right now solar and wind in the US accounts for about 5% of the power generation. If I remember correctly 7% from hydro power. We have dammed up every river in the US that we can so don't expect anymore from that source.

There is no way we are going to put in enough inefficient solar collectors and those inefficient wind mills to make up for anywhere near the 88% we get from fossil and nuclear. If we ever got to 20% that would be a miracle.

I takes about 7KW to charge up one of these small EV battery banks. That is about what an average size home uses.

Until we find a way to generate the same amount of electricity from other sources as we do from fossil fuels then we are just playing a stupid shell game.

The real answer has always been fusion nuclear power. However, the Environmental Wackos have managed to shut down the FFTF reactor at Hanford, which was the best test bed in the world to develop that technology.

Fusion power is just about the only technology that has the promise to replace fossil fuels at the levels we need power nowadays.

By the way, the fossil fuel power generators have a similar efficiency loss to an internal combustion engine.

So what is the difference of burning the fuel at the generation source (with the distribution and battery deterioration loss) to charge electric vehicles or burning it in the vehicle themselves? In physics there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[miketx]

No they sold it before the person took delivery on it.

How stupid are you?

How stupid am I? Lmao! They have to sell it before the customer can take delivery of it!

It's been done for decades.

The first one I remember was the VW Rabbit in the early 80s.

The person orders the car and it's built to their specific order. They aren't mass produced yet. When they have been on the market for a while they will be mass produced.

It was the same way with the first hybrid we bought.

Where have you been?

You must radiate stupid 24/7. You can't grasp the simple reality the company still has to sell you the product BEFORE you can take it. You cant take it before you pay them for it. Good God you people are thick. No wonder you swallow all the leftists shtick.

That's what prepay means.

They do that on a lot of new technology and cars. They don't mass produce them until they know for sure there's a market for it. So in the beginning they are made to order. The person orders the car, pays for it and it's made. Once they know there is a market for the vehicle and have a good idea on how many they should produce every year, you will see them being mass produced and at the dealer to be sold.

The fact that you don't know this tells me a few things. First you've never bought a new car with new technology. It also tells me that you have no concept of how new technology is released at least with vehicles.

You seem to be the only person who has a problem with it. Millions of Americans have bought their cars just that way. Including me. I have bought a Chevy Volt that way and a Toyota Prius. Both when they first came out on the market. At the time I bought the Prius there are none on the lot. Just the one the dealer has for test drives. I ordered the Prius I wanted. They built it and I took possession of it when it was built.

I know if you go to a dealership and want to have add ons that most people don't want and no cars are reproduced with that add on, you have to pre buy that car, then they make it to your specifications.

You obviously have never done that. You probably haven't even bought a new vehicle in your life. So you have no concept of how cars are sold and how new technology is sold.

View attachment 491629

Thank you for so childishly and predictably admitting defeat and you're wrong. LOL.

In a way it looks like Mike summed up their entire argument with that post.

That's it. NEVER stop lying with your mindless bullshit.

 

[Dana7360]

No they sold it before the person took delivery on it.

How stupid are you?

How stupid am I? Lmao! They have to sell it before the customer can take delivery of it!

It's been done for decades.

The first one I remember was the VW Rabbit in the early 80s.

The person orders the car and it's built to their specific order. They aren't mass produced yet. When they have been on the market for a while they will be mass produced.

It was the same way with the first hybrid we bought.

Where have you been?

You must radiate stupid 24/7. You can't grasp the simple reality the company still has to sell you the product BEFORE you can take it. You cant take it before you pay them for it. Good God you people are thick. No wonder you swallow all the leftists shtick.

That's what prepay means.

They do that on a lot of new technology and cars. They don't mass produce them until they know for sure there's a market for it. So in the beginning they are made to order. The person orders the car, pays for it and it's made. Once they know there is a market for the vehicle and have a good idea on how many they should produce every year, you will see them being mass produced and at the dealer to be sold.

The fact that you don't know this tells me a few things. First you've never bought a new car with new technology. It also tells me that you have no concept of how new technology is released at least with vehicles.

You seem to be the only person who has a problem with it. Millions of Americans have bought their cars just that way. Including me. I have bought a Chevy Volt that way and a Toyota Prius. Both when they first came out on the market. At the time I bought the Prius there are none on the lot. Just the one the dealer has for test drives. I ordered the Prius I wanted. They built it and I took possession of it when it was built.

I know if you go to a dealership and want to have add ons that most people don't want and no cars are reproduced with that add on, you have to pre buy that car, then they make it to your specifications.

You obviously have never done that. You probably haven't even bought a new vehicle in your life. So you have no concept of how cars are sold and how new technology is sold.

View attachment 491629

Thank you for so childishly and predictably admitting defeat and you're wrong. LOL.

In a way it looks like Mike summed up their entire argument with that post.

Yes he did.

 

[badger2]

HJ, the Favaloro ebike has a range of 220km (136 miles), so interstate travel is a real possibility when considering recharging stations placed along the way. Badger’s retrofit etrike will also be compartmentalized to thwart the Weather Pimp, especially for winter. We’ll be able to monitor battery ambient temperature inside the blanket with a simple digital read-out. Keeping the motor itself warm is also not out of the question.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Imagine a home building contractor owning one of these to drive 50 miles to a job site and using it to haul and power their tools because the new home they are working on isn't plugged in.

What you fail to make an allowance for is that, if there's no place to plug in tools at a job site, there sure as fuck won't be anywhere to plug in an electric vehicle to recharge it.

Helluva' try, though...

If you're not driving that far you won't need to. It's also not like you can't almost completely charge these in less than an hour at a quick charger anyway and then you have hours and hours of power.

I think you're underestimating how much the battery can hold.

Well, I'm only considering the distance you provided: 50 miles.

I think you overestimate the availability of charging stations. If you drive 50 miles from a charging station, and then run construction tools all day on the battery, that battery's gonna' drain. If you take it to a "quick charger" (assuming you can find one) to recharge it, that's a woefully inefficient use of time and resources. First, give yourself a half hour to drive to a charger; an hour round trip, plus the time to charge the battery; maybe another hour? So that's now two hours of down time for the crew who needs to be using the power tools they had plugged into the truck. Oh, and you still have to pay them for those two hours. If you're paying your crew $30 an hour, and you've got half a dozen guys, that's $360 that you're out, and nothing really got accomplished.

Not to mention that "hours and hours" is hardly a useful metric to use when you're in business...

 

[badger2]

Americans may use 30% of world energy, though badger has not spent one red cent for heat during sleeping for the last 13 months. Duh?

 

[Flash]

The battery pack on that stupid truck weights almost a ton and without a load it can hardly go 200 miles on a charge so only an idiot would buy one.

Ford has no worries. All these stupid Democrats in charge of the big city shitholes, Communist states and the Federal government will buy fleets of them with taxpayer's money. It will be a terrible purchase but doing stupid purchases have never stopped Democrats has it?

Thats a very good prediction. I’m disappointed I didn’t say it first.

People buy cars based on their weight or based on how much they can haul? Nobody cares how much a Tesla weighs or the old/new Hummers.

These trucks could make excellent fleet vehicles that stay within urban centers. With the exception of range these can be excellent work trucks, they start off every morning with a full tank, they have an onboard generator for electric tools and their maintenance like most EVs should be about half the cost of gas vehicles.

I'm really thinking you guys are letting your ulterior motives cloud your opinions.

I’m just agreeing that local governments are going to be buying these like crazy and Ford knows it. The capacity and the quality of the truck is irrelevant at this point. That might be a discussion in a few years once the guinea pigs are finished.

Please tell all of the board what is wrong with the US government buying vehicles made by Americans in America?

That is something that republicans don't seem to want to do.

What happened to that America first mantra?

I want our government to buy environmentally responsible vehicles made by Americans here in America.

Are you saying you don't want that to happen?

When the government buys bad products for stupid reasons then that is bad for the people that have to pay taxes.

Buying fleet EVs will be a terrible mistake.

Some Euro city bought a fleet of EV taxis and there is a picture of them all sitting in a big lot because they don't work anymore. I'll try to find that picture.

 

[badger2]

That’s why down-time has to be eliminated by standardizing the battery so that it fits most vehicles. Mom-and-Pop has already charged your battery for you. ”Car 54, where are you?”

 

[Harry Dresden]

Your problem, OP, is that you haven’t figured out the catch to JoeXi’s EV commercial: the lithium. If an American owns the battery, why allow the Chinese communist cocksuckers any chance to take possession of it once its life is over? How does an American best screw a communist pimp when it comes to recycling? Has JoeXi considered just what a dumb puppet-c.u.n.t. he is portraying himself to be?

I was unaware that the govt. built Ford's vehicles for them.

Don't you know?

Most trump people are communists. They believe our nation owns businesses, controls business and sells goods and services to people.

The trump people don't know the real meaning of the word communist.

They just throw that word out on people they disagree with in order to demonize or silence them.

I thought you knew this.

Most trump people are communists
they say the same about you people too......you folks are so much alike......

 

[badger2]

#154: There will be little downtime for those cars in the future, because of an efficient lithium recycling system (duh, USA).

 

[Canon Shooter]

I put more emphasis on Ford knowing their business than you guys know their business.

Yet you seemingly pretend to know all about it; at least as far as their electric F-150 batteries are concerned...

I have no idea what that has to do with Ford focusing on building the types of cars that Americans buy, but I guess in a way that just demonstrates they know more than you.

It's a bit disingenuous to tout how many electric F-150's are on order if the gasoline or diesel versions are no longer available. Given a choice between a gas model and an electric model, I believe most people will choose the gasoline version.

Here's the new electric Mustang:

It's a car anyone with a vagina would be proud to own...

Now, here's the gasoline version:

The electric version looks more like a BMW X2 than it does a Mustang...

I also think Ford knows a thing or two about brand loyalty.

Well, I think we're gonna' find out. If they don't offer a gasoline/diesel version of the F-150, it'll signal the beginning of the end for Ford...

 

[HappyJoy]

The battery pack on that stupid truck weights almost a ton and without a load it can hardly go 200 miles on a charge so only an idiot would buy one.

Ford has no worries. All these stupid Democrats in charge of the big city shitholes, Communist states and the Federal government will buy fleets of them with taxpayer's money. It will be a terrible purchase but doing stupid purchases have never stopped Democrats has it?

Thats a very good prediction. I’m disappointed I didn’t say it first.

People buy cars based on their weight or based on how much they can haul? Nobody cares how much a Tesla weighs or the old/new Hummers.

These trucks could make excellent fleet vehicles that stay within urban centers. With the exception of range these can be excellent work trucks, they start off every morning with a full tank, they have an onboard generator for electric tools and their maintenance like most EVs should be about half the cost of gas vehicles.

I'm really thinking you guys are letting your ulterior motives cloud your opinions.

I’m just agreeing that local governments are going to be buying these like crazy and Ford knows it. The capacity and the quality of the truck is irrelevant at this point. That might be a discussion in a few years once the guinea pigs are finished.

I hope they do. That will help improve the vehicle and push us closer to being less reliant on fossil fuels. They also appear to have a pretty good warranty and won't require as much maintenance.

How can EV make us "less reliant on fossil fuels" when they are going to charged by mostly fossil fuel power generation?

The combustion engine isn't as efficient as a power plant. And not all power generation is the same. As our sources of energy become more green then so will our transportation. And whether you like it or not, that's happening.

But let's go with a real world example that didn't really exist 10 or 15 years ago. That would be home solar. I have solar and I could park and charge this truck in my garage and fill it up for free. Currently I'm selling power back to the utility company so I have energy to spare, so do millions of others who already have solar.

Now with home solar you won't be able to fill up at night however home battery systems that will store electricity from your solar panels are increasing in use as they become more affordable so that will also help to charge the vehicles with zero emissions and on your own system, no need to employ a utility company at all.

However, like I said those utility companies will also continue to transition away from coal.

You do know that the batteries do not produce energy, don't you? All they do is (poorly) store electricity generated elsewhere.

I think everyone has a basic understanding that batteries store not generate power, but I dig your oversimplified and inept 'own the libs' strategy.

About maintenance. After a few years of operation they will all need to have their batteries replaced, at a tremendous cost. This is after they have been losing efficiency.

A few? How many years? How much has the EV user saved by fewer moving parts breaking and needing replacement, oil changes and other maintenance items that EVs don't require let alone cheaper energy costs?

Another thing. Why would you want your family driving down the road on a ton of batteries that the USPS won't even allow to be shipped parcel post?

Right, strap them down to a 20-50 gallon tank of flammable liquid instead. Have you tried shipping a gallon of gas?

Right now solar and wind in the US accounts for about 5% of the power generation. If I remember correctly 7% from hydro power. We have dammed up every river in the US that we can so don't expect anymore from that source.[/quote

There is no way we are going to put in enough inefficient solar collectors and those inefficient wind mills to make up for anywhere near the 88% we get from fossil and nuclear. If we ever got to 20% that would be a miracle.

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It's already happening. On large and small scales. We haven't even scratched the surface on solar as well as rebuilding our grid to be more energy efficient. I'm also not against nuclear power either. 20% is more than doable.

I takes about 7KW to charge up one of these small EV battery banks. That is about what an average size home uses.

Until we find a way to generate the same amount of electricity from other sources as we do from fossil fuels then we are just playing a stupid shell game.

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Not really

The real answer has always been fusion nuclear power. However, the Environmental Wackos have managed to shut down the FFTF reactor at Hanford, which was the best test bed in the world to develop that technology.

Fusion power is just about the only technology that has the promise to replace fossil fuels at the levels we need power nowadays.

By the way, the fossil fuel power generators have a similar efficiency loss to an internal combustion engine.

So what is the difference of burning the fuel at the generation source (with the distribution and battery deterioration loss) to charge electric vehicles or burning it in the vehicle themselves? In physics there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

The battery pack on that stupid truck weights almost a ton and without a load it can hardly go 200 miles on a charge so only an idiot would buy one.

Ford has no worries. All these stupid Democrats in charge of the big city shitholes, Communist states and the Federal government will buy fleets of them with taxpayer's money. It will be a terrible purchase but doing stupid purchases have never stopped Democrats has it?

Thats a very good prediction. I’m disappointed I didn’t say it first.

People buy cars based on their weight or based on how much they can haul? Nobody cares how much a Tesla weighs or the old/new Hummers.

These trucks could make excellent fleet vehicles that stay within urban centers. With the exception of range these can be excellent work trucks, they start off every morning with a full tank, they have an onboard generator for electric tools and their maintenance like most EVs should be about half the cost of gas vehicles.

I'm really thinking you guys are letting your ulterior motives cloud your opinions.

I’m just agreeing that local governments are going to be buying these like crazy and Ford knows it. The capacity and the quality of the truck is irrelevant at this point. That might be a discussion in a few years once the guinea pigs are finished.

I hope they do. That will help improve the vehicle and push us closer to being less reliant on fossil fuels. They also appear to have a pretty good warranty and won't require as much maintenance.

How can EV make us "less reliant on fossil fuels" when they are going to charged by mostly fossil fuel power generation?

The combustion engine isn't as efficient as a power plant. And not all power generation is the same. As our sources of energy become more green then so will our transportation. And whether you like it or not, that's happening.

But let's go with a real world example that didn't really exist 10 or 15 years ago. That would be home solar. I have solar and I could park and charge this truck in my garage and fill it up for free. Currently I'm selling power back to the utility company so I have energy to spare, so do millions of others who already have solar.

Now with home solar you won't be able to fill up at night however home battery systems that will store electricity from your solar panels are increasing in use as they become more affordable so that will also help to charge the vehicles with zero emissions and on your own system, no need to employ a utility company at all.

However, like I said those utility companies will also continue to transition away from coal.

You do know that the batteries do not produce energy, don't you? All they do is (poorly) store electricity generated elsewhere.

I think everyone has a basic understanding that batteries store not generate power, but I dig your oversimplified and inept 'own the libs' strategy.

About maintenance. After a few years of operation they will all need to have their batteries replaced, at a tremendous cost. This is after they have been losing efficiency.

A few? How many years? How much has the EV user saved by fewer moving parts breaking and needing replacement, oil changes and other maintenance items that EVs don't require let alone cheaper energy costs?

Another thing. Why would you want your family driving down the road on a ton of batteries that the USPS won't even allow to be shipped parcel post?

Right, strap them down to a 20-50 gallon tank of flammable liquid instead. Have you tried shipping a gallon of gas?

Right now solar and wind in the US accounts for about 5% of the power generation. If I remember correctly 7% from hydro power. We have dammed up every river in the US that we can so don't expect anymore from that source.

Right now only about 60% of our energy is from fossil fuels and it will continue to shrink. 20% renewable and 20% nuclear which I'm OK with.

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

There is no way we are going to put in enough inefficient solar collectors and those inefficient wind mills to make up for anywhere near the 88% we get from fossil and nuclear. If we ever got to 20% that would be a miracle.

I takes about 7KW to charge up one of these small EV battery banks. That is about what an average size home uses.

Until we find a way to generate the same amount of electricity from other sources as we do from fossil fuels then we are just playing a stupid shell game.

Why? It seems to be an all or nothing thing for you. Unnecessarily so.

The real answer has always been fusion nuclear power. However, the Environmental Wackos have managed to shut down the FFTF reactor at Hanford, which was the best test bed in the world to develop that technology.

Fusion power is just about the only technology that has the promise to replace fossil fuels at the levels we need power nowadays.

By the way, the fossil fuel power generators have a similar efficiency loss to an internal combustion engine.

So what is the difference of burning the fuel at the generation source (with the distribution and battery deterioration loss) to charge electric vehicles or burning it in the vehicle themselves? In physics there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Nuclear power has mixed views. Personally I'm OK with it, especially fusion though there are several challenges with making it a viable energy source for which many countries in Europe, Asia and the United States are working on. It'd be great if we got something out of that but right now solar, wind and other renewables generate more power. You know, those inefficient things you shit on.

We need to get away from fossil fuels and as long as the alternate is better than climate change then I'm happy.

 

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Payload is not this trucks challenge. It's range, nothing more, nothing less.

Range is limited by payload

The battery will drain faster under a heavy load