Freedom of Religious Opinion? Not If You're Phil Robertson

[The T]

This is what was happening in Caddo Parish (his Parish):

It seems like the Duck guy was trying to say that "The Blacks" were happier when they were treated like second class citizens and "knew their place". Do you really think that the Blacks in the Jim Crow South (Caddo Parish specifically) would express their angst about white people to a white Southerner? Do you know what happened to some Blacks who didn't "know their place"? If they were so "happy" and "content", why did MLK Jr, and other Southern Black people march and protest to stop being treated like second class citizens???

This is what was happening in Caddo Parish when the Duck guy was a kid, he was born in 1946, below demonstrates that it wasn't so "happy" for "the Blacks" in that Parish:
"During the 1950s, Shreveport whites became fervent in their opposition
to integration of any kind. In 1956, after voting against a proposed
bill exempting the Sugar Bowl from a new law prohibiting interracial activities,
State Representative Wellborn Jack of Shreveport promised that
“the Shreveport Citizens Council can always depend on me to take a
stand 100% for segregation and 100% against integration.”

"That year, after the four little girls were killed in Birmingham,
citizens (Caddo Parish)attempted to hold a memorial march at the Little Union
Baptist Church in Shreveport. Shreveport Public Safety Commissioner
George D’Artois had denied a permit for the demonstration, publicly declaring
that the demonstrators “want to destroy our American way of
life.”93 On the day of the memorial, hundreds of helmeted police officers
arrived at the church, armed with shotguns, tear-gas, and Billy-clubs, and
cordoned off the area. As people left the church after the memorial service,
officers drew their guns and severely beat dozens of demonstrators
and clergymen; D’Artois himself joined in.94"

"The next day, students at Booker T. Washington High School attempted
to march downtown but were met by police officers firing tear
gas grenades and kicking and beating them back inside the school.95 A
day after that, D’Artois called officers to surround the J.S. Clark Junior
High School, where several hundred students held a lunchtime rally.
When the students yelled “freedom” at the police, D’Artois sent officers
into the schoolyard to silence the protest.96 Following the beating of the
NAACP branch president and the suppression of every planned demonstration,
CORE and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference pulled
out of Shreveport, and the city saw little public protest for the remainder
of the decade."

For people who are interested, here's the link:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zI5kyCyqSuFaNdA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc&cad=rja

Nobody is interested, because it's completely irrelevant, ding dong. He never said anything about them knowing their place. He said that he worked along side of them, being on the same social strata. Racist progressives don't understand that because they cannot comprehend of black people and white people being on the same social footing.

But in this case, they were. He shared a personal anecdote and said that nobody ever complained to him, that he never heard people complaining that they were *due* something.

Being a racist, you are going to turn that into a racist comment. But it isn't a racist comment. You are the racist to read that into it.

It's totally relevant. Do you know the social caste structure that existed in the Jim Crow South? Before calling people "ding dong", you should educate yourself. Here:

"During the American Civil War the Poor White comprised a majority of the combatants in the Confederate Army (the Battle Flag, while controversial, is still seen by some as a symbol of Southern as well as their identity); afterwards, many labored as sharecroppers. During the nadir of American race relations intense violence, defense of honor and white supremacy flourished[15] in a region suffering from a lack of public education and competition for resources. Southern politicians of the day motivated conflict between the Poor White and African Americans as a form of Political Opportunism.[8][16][17] As John T. Campbell summarizes in The Broad Ax:

"In the past, white men have hated white men quite as much as some of them hate the Negro, and have vented their hatred with as much savagery as they ever have against the Negro. The best educated people have the least race prejudice. In the United States the poor white were encouraged to hate the Negroes because they could then be used to help hold the Negroes in slavery. The Negroes were taught to show contempt for poor whites because this would increase the hatred between them and each side could be used by the master to control the other. The real interest of the poor whites and the Negroes were the same, that of resisting the oppression of the master class. But ignorance stood in the way. This race hatred was at first used to perpetuate white supremacy in politics in the South. The poor whites are almost injured by it as are the Negroes. - John T. Campbell[16]"

" In The Strange Career of Jim Crow and in his Origins of the New South, Woodward portrayed white racism as a false consciousness, and argued that demagogic leaders took advantage of this false consciousness to gain the political support of poor white men whose economic interests the leaders did not really share. Thus, according to Woodward, the changes in southern race relations in the 1890s emerged because southern political leaders used segregation laws and race-baiting in their campaigns as a way to obtain power and secure the votes of lower class whites who threatened revolt, most notably in Populism."

"Many white Southerners came to believe that African Americans abided — and even enjoyed — their roles as second-class citizens. (Duck man maybe?)When the civil rights movement tore through the South in the 1950s and 1960s, it exposed the falsity of such beliefs. At long last, African Americans voiced their discontent and demanded dignity. Black rebellion clashed so sharply with white perceptions that many disbelieved their own eyes. And as grassroots organizers led a mass movement for black equality, whites rose up in resistance."

"A similar conflagration erupted in New Orleans when that city became the first in the Deep South to desegregate. In November 1960, four African-American girls integrated Frantz Elementary School in the city’s Ninth Ward. That neighborhood was one of the city’s poorest. In addition to grievances against organized blacks and an active federal government, white Southerners also felt deep class divides. White Ninth Ward residents believed that the city’s rich and powerful had foisted integration upon them — and them alone. Across the region, poor whites shouldered the “burden” of integration. If the upper classes maintained social safety valves like country clubs, private schools, and exclusive suburbs, poorer whites confronted the fact that their public schools, swimming pools, and neighborhoods were often the first to experience desegregation.

Millions of white Southerners found champions in politicians such as Alabama’s governor, George Wallace, who both cultivated and exploited for political gain a deep anti-civil-rights sentiment. In his 1963 inaugural address, Wallace declared: “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.” He became the very picture of white resistance."



Read more: White Southerners? Reactions to the Civil Rights Movement | IIP Digital

Could you be more boring? Principle dictates brevity as the soul of wit. YOU should try it some time. Since WHEN is GAY a race?

 

[LoneLaugher]

I did.

Your debunk is based on a tweet regarding if atheists complained to A&E to ask for the ban on Jesus.

I don't think that man is lying in that video and I know little about him.

You can think all you want. Until it is proven that anyone at A&E asked anyone not to pray to Jeebus so Muslims are not offended....you got a whole pile of shit.

Google is your friend.

 

[WillReadmore]

And how are actors punished. I still see actors, like Alec Baldwin, going great guns even though they have been shown publically to be abusive.

Baldwin lost his show.

Mel Gibson's career took a serious nosedive.

It took some time for the Dixie Chicks to come back.

Etc., etc. etc.

Those who live on being in the public eye don't fare so well when they PO the public.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

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Interesting to see the American Left - the folks who so passionately proclaimed their commitment to free love, free expression and freedom from The Man not two generations ago - now so cynically clamping down on freedom of expression as they move to control and micromanage our lives more and more with each passing day.

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Interesting to see the American right - ignorantly making incorrect claims of ‘violations’ of freedom of expression as no such ‘violations’ are taking place; where no government or other public sector entity is “clamping down” on freedom of expression. And the right continues to demonstrate its ignorance by promoting the errant premise that private society’s admonishment of speech or behavior considered inappropriate somehow constitutes a move to control and micromanage our lives more and more with each passing day by the ‘left,’ when in fact the ‘left’ is doing no such thing, as private society is comprised of all citizens, of all political and religious beliefs.

What’s sad is most on the right fail to understand the wonderful gift the Framers gave us with a Constitutional Republic, as opposed to a democracy. With a Republic citizens may engage in full-throated debate concerning the controversies of the day absent fear of such aggressive conflicts spilling over into the legislative realm, as likely would happen in a democracy, where blind, passionate opinion might become law all must obey, with no recourse to seek relief from such tyranny.

 

[Pheonixops]

Nobody is interested, because it's completely irrelevant, ding dong. He never said anything about them knowing their place. He said that he worked along side of them, being on the same social strata. Racist progressives don't understand that because they cannot comprehend of black people and white people being on the same social footing.

But in this case, they were. He shared a personal anecdote and said that nobody ever complained to him, that he never heard people complaining that they were *due* something.

Being a racist, you are going to turn that into a racist comment. But it isn't a racist comment. You are the racist to read that into it.

It's totally relevant. Do you know the social caste structure that existed in the Jim Crow South? Before calling people "ding dong", you should educate yourself. Here:

"During the American Civil War the Poor White comprised a majority of the combatants in the Confederate Army (the Battle Flag, while controversial, is still seen by some as a symbol of Southern as well as their identity); afterwards, many labored as sharecroppers. During the nadir of American race relations intense violence, defense of honor and white supremacy flourished[15] in a region suffering from a lack of public education and competition for resources. Southern politicians of the day motivated conflict between the Poor White and African Americans as a form of Political Opportunism.[8][16][17] As John T. Campbell summarizes in The Broad Ax:

"In the past, white men have hated white men quite as much as some of them hate the Negro, and have vented their hatred with as much savagery as they ever have against the Negro. The best educated people have the least race prejudice. In the United States the poor white were encouraged to hate the Negroes because they could then be used to help hold the Negroes in slavery. The Negroes were taught to show contempt for poor whites because this would increase the hatred between them and each side could be used by the master to control the other. The real interest of the poor whites and the Negroes were the same, that of resisting the oppression of the master class. But ignorance stood in the way. This race hatred was at first used to perpetuate white supremacy in politics in the South. The poor whites are almost injured by it as are the Negroes. - John T. Campbell[16]"

" In The Strange Career of Jim Crow and in his Origins of the New South, Woodward portrayed white racism as a false consciousness, and argued that demagogic leaders took advantage of this false consciousness to gain the political support of poor white men whose economic interests the leaders did not really share. Thus, according to Woodward, the changes in southern race relations in the 1890s emerged because southern political leaders used segregation laws and race-baiting in their campaigns as a way to obtain power and secure the votes of lower class whites who threatened revolt, most notably in Populism."

"Many white Southerners came to believe that African Americans abided — and even enjoyed — their roles as second-class citizens. (Duck man maybe?)When the civil rights movement tore through the South in the 1950s and 1960s, it exposed the falsity of such beliefs. At long last, African Americans voiced their discontent and demanded dignity. Black rebellion clashed so sharply with white perceptions that many disbelieved their own eyes. And as grassroots organizers led a mass movement for black equality, whites rose up in resistance."

"A similar conflagration erupted in New Orleans when that city became the first in the Deep South to desegregate. In November 1960, four African-American girls integrated Frantz Elementary School in the city’s Ninth Ward. That neighborhood was one of the city’s poorest. In addition to grievances against organized blacks and an active federal government, white Southerners also felt deep class divides. White Ninth Ward residents believed that the city’s rich and powerful had foisted integration upon them — and them alone. Across the region, poor whites shouldered the “burden” of integration. If the upper classes maintained social safety valves like country clubs, private schools, and exclusive suburbs, poorer whites confronted the fact that their public schools, swimming pools, and neighborhoods were often the first to experience desegregation.

Millions of white Southerners found champions in politicians such as Alabama’s governor, George Wallace, who both cultivated and exploited for political gain a deep anti-civil-rights sentiment. In his 1963 inaugural address, Wallace declared: “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.” He became the very picture of white resistance."



Read more: White Southerners? Reactions to the Civil Rights Movement | IIP Digital

Could you be more boring? Principle dictates brevity as the soul of wit. YOU should try it some time. Since WHEN is GAY a race?

I guess setting the facts straight is "boring" for some people. Where did I state that "GAY" was a race?

 

[orogenicman]

The religious right reads the Constitution like they read the bible - selectively. And with as much, if not more, errors in their interpretations.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

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Interesting to see the American Left - the folks who so passionately proclaimed their commitment to free love, free expression and freedom from The Man not two generations ago - now so cynically clamping down on freedom of expression as they move to control and micromanage our lives more and more with each passing day.

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That American left that you speak of was passionately involved in the Civil Rights era and were very concerned about the racist hate speech of the time. That is why the "n" word is not openly used anymore

Exactly.

And this was accomplished without government or the courts, just as the Framers intended.

 

[Mac1958]

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Interesting to see the American Left - the folks who so passionately proclaimed their commitment to free love, free expression and freedom from The Man not two generations ago - now so cynically clamping down on freedom of expression as they move to control and micromanage our lives more and more with each passing day.

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That American left that you speak of was passionately involved in the Civil Rights era and were very concerned about the racist hate speech of the time. That is why the "n" word is not openly used anymore

Exactly.

And this was accomplished without government or the courts, just as the Framers intended.

The problem is that the American Left has made itself the ultimate judge as to what, in fact IS racist or bigoted or homophobic or whatever. And they exercise that artificial authority at absolutely every opportunity. It has been a very useful game of control for them, but I strongly suspect they've jumped the shark.

If something was good once, that doesn't mean it's the same forever.

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[TemplarKormac]

Bullshit.

Had he said "Jeebus is lord....pray unto him", would he have been suspended?

American television networks are tolerant of religious opinion and expression. Period.

You calling me naive is funny. Don't you think?

Duck Dynasty Star: 'They Told Us To Stop Praying To Jesus So It Wouldn't Offend Muslims' | Independent Journal Review

Naivety for days.

Debunked.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etuttuvajuE]'Duck Dynasty' Star: They Told Us To Stop Praying To Jesus, Don't Offend Muslims - YouTube[/ame]

Confirmed.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Duck Dynasty Star: 'They Told Us To Stop Praying To Jesus So It Wouldn't Offend Muslims' | Independent Journal Review

Naivety for days.

Debunked.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etuttuvajuE]'Duck Dynasty' Star: They Told Us To Stop Praying To Jesus, Don't Offend Muslims - YouTube[/ame]

Confirmed.

That he falsely speculated......agreed.

Try harder.

 

[LoneLaugher]

That American left that you speak of was passionately involved in the Civil Rights era and were very concerned about the racist hate speech of the time. That is why the "n" word is not openly used anymore

Exactly.

And this was accomplished without government or the courts, just as the Framers intended.

The problem is that the American Left has made itself the ultimate judge as to what, in fact IS racist or bigoted or homophobic or whatever. And they exercise that artificial authority at absolutely every opportunity. It has been a very useful game of control for them, but I strongly suspect they've jumped the shark.

If something was good once, that doesn't mean it's the same forever.

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Ooooooooookkkkkkaaaaaayyyyy!

 

[candycorn]

Lot of spin there, you had to collect data from nine years to get such a result. Nice try. Even so, 67% live in states that deem marriage as between a man and a woman.

Spin? I showed you a graph. There is no spin there.

ONLY
COLD
HARD
FACTS

Oh, by the way, New Mexico has joined the enlightened....
New Mexico same-sex marriage ruling comes amid long wait, national trend | Fox News

Add another 2 million to people that can exercise their freedom (also...people you hate). You're on the wrong side of history which explains why you're so hateful...

YOU
ARE
ALL
ALONE

With only your hate to accompany you. That and, of course, what has become the stock and trade of the GOP...victimization. Poor little you. Save the crap about you becoming a libertarian....personal liberty is what you're attacking dumbass.

You know, if gays reacted so violently to the actions of GLAAD, that means your movement isn't as peachy as you're claiming. You insult my intelligence by citing Fox News.

You'd have to have some first.

You think I'm hateful? Just examine what GLAAD did to Mr. Robertson. See what gay rights groups have done to Christians across the country who dared speak out for what they believed in. You want your tolerance, you speak out against hatred, vitriol, and stereotypes while champoning personal liberty; but here you are:

A) Showing your intolerance of Christians
B) Voicing your hatred of Christians
C) Spewing invective and issuing pejoratives about Christians
D) Stereotyping Christians as bigots and racists
E) Begrudging them the personal liberty to express a religious opinion
F) Intimidating and bullying Christians who express their religious opinions

If I didn't know better, I'd say you are engaging in Alinskyist tactics to shame people of faith in to silence. How sickening.

GLAAD did nothing to them express their opinions. They are entitled to them...aren't they? A&E suspended the guy from DD, GLAAD did nothing.

Stereotying Christians? No. Christians are accepting; what you're expressing isn't a Christian Value, it's a Republican homophobic rant that fewer and fewer adhere to. This is why you're so angry....the country is passing you by and all you have is your hatred left. Sorry.

 

[candycorn]

It is no longer a big deal with kids. Some of em are born gay....some are born straight...some a mixture. Accepted as a part of life for the most part among those under 30.

Times....they be a changin'.

I'm guessing TK was jilted by a woman who turned out to be Lez and is dedicated to taking it out on all homosexuals.

Lord knows he probably gets all the competition he can handle from other men...now he has to worry about a woman stealing his latest Copenhagen using soulmate

I'm guessing since you have nothing intelligent to say, you resort to proving my point instead. Thank you. I hope you keep it up.

Proving what point? That only speech you agree with should be stated? It's what costs the GOP 5 of the last 6 popular votes? You prove it every day loser.

 

[orogenicman]

I hope they leave...A&E allowed Glaad to put this family through hell over an interview from some magazine..

I hope they leave too. A & E watchers deserve better programing.

well, you are god and judge and jury of all things and what people "deserve" to watch I see

must be that liberal thing

Nope. Just a discerning consumer.

 

[candycorn]

And of course since you'd never engage in hypocrisy, you condemn tax cheats Slick, Slick's wench, Rangle, Daschle, Jefferson as well as tax evaders Buffett, Gates, Obama and the rest of Democrats who aren't able to do what they preach, right?

So are you calling this guy from Duck Dynaasty a hypocrite for not doing everything the Bible tells him? Or are you merely justifying his hypocricy and that of all other Christians?

Um ... no ... I'm calling him a hypocrite because he criticizes Republicans for not following Republican values, such as morality, but he does not criticize Democrats for not following Democratic values, like paying their own taxes. I mean duh, you seriously didn't get that? Wow, that was obvious.

Typical that you know a reality show (I had to Google your reference) but you don't know what the word hypocrisy means, and you didn't Google it to find out...

Not sure what any of that means but whatever...I'm sure you had a point at one time.

 

[Pogo]

What do the writers write? If, in fact, the show was scripted wouldn't the writers just write out all those references to God, Jesus and guns rather than tell the family to stop mentioning the subject?

No, not if it $ells.
Some of y'all keep imagining the Producer acts out of some kind of ideology. They don't. They sell what $ells.

If you really think that family spends time memorizing lines you never saw the show.

So you're saying they're stupid rednecks? Or just stupid?
Run with that.

They all have college degrees. Phil has a Master's Degree in education. They built a 400 million dollar company they are hardly stupid. They just don't care. No one is going to tell them what to do and certainly not what to say. It has been so long since we have seen that kind of independence we can no longer recognize it.

Yeah I know all that. That's why it strikes me odd that you think they're too stupid to know their lines. Try reading your own posts.

 

[Pogo]

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Interesting to see the American Left - the folks who so passionately proclaimed their commitment to free love, free expression and freedom from The Man not two generations ago - now so cynically clamping down on freedom of expression as they move to control and micromanage our lives more and more with each passing day.

Do you know what a contract is?

 

[Pogo]

^^^this

and that is what is happening. they have the absolute right to fire according to their views( or lack thereof), since they are the private enterprise.

He has the absolute right to sue if he feels like it.

"Sue" huh?

On the basis of .... what?

we have the absolute right to support whomever we choose to.

what all of us are doing.

"all of us" huh?
Lemme loin ya a truth about mass media. "Boycotts" don't work. For every regular viewer who commits to turning off the show there's five more on the side who weren't really watching that will now tune in to see what it's all about. That's how mass psychology works. That's why we say there's "no such thing as bad publicity". That's exactly what that means.

Lush Rimjob's ratings also spiked after he slandered that student. Same thing. That's why I keep pointing out that audience ratings do not measure assent, they measure attention. And attention can be acquired in a lot of ways, especially negative spectacles.

A&E was already making money off this goofy-ass show. Now they stand to make more. Their competitors are envious.

that is HIM to determine - he has the contract

Cop-out. I asked, and I ask again: "he has the right to sue" on the basis of... WHAT?

A&E will lose money if they don't backtrack. and they will.
or will loose money. If the whole situation is for real.

I have no doubt that, like Paula Deen's producers, they weighed the situation and determined which course best served the show's interest, which is profit, and that in both cases they concluded that the best course was to let the Talent go. In other words they expected it would cost them more not to.

I won't be surprised if the whole plot was not arranged between the participants altogether. That's a show business, isn't it

Now you've got a reasonable idea.

 

[Gadawg73]

Moral of the story 2013:
Media lied about:
Robertson and the ZZ Top 4
George Zimmerman
Paula Deen

And the dumb masses believed 100% of what media fed them.

 

[BDBoop]

The ones that are REALLY fucked are the ones that just enjoyed the show. Gay, straight, black, white, brown, yellow, green purple, men, women, kids, teens. The show will end and those that liked watching will be doomed with more pawn shows or set-up storage wars or worse..more kardashians.

Thanks GLAAD.

No, they'll be back. If not on A&E, definitely on FOX, and probably with a bigger audience since FOX is not a cable channel, right? It's like ABC, CBS, NBC.