Frivolous litigants crucified by court-Rachel Maddow melts down

[JoeB131]

God is this guy a lying moron. the victims were disarmed. if all the victims had been armed, far less innocents would have died. in VT, a teacher died holding a door shut while students escaped. If the students had been armed, they could have killed Choi as he tried to force is way into the room

Except, again, that never happens. And frankly, I wouldn't want to go to a campus where all the drunken frat boys are packing.

You were really too stupid for words because incidents when attackers are stopped BEFORE they can kill enough people for the massacre to be called a MASS SHOOTING, are not CALLED A MASS SHOOTING. so if an active shooter is SHOT after killing THREE PEOPLE, that isn't recorded as a case of an armed citizen stopping a mass killing

Except that you guys never give an example of a guy who was loaded for bear who was stopped before shooting anyone by a civilian. In fact, the list that you guys gave of ten supposed incidents all included either off-duty cops or military who stopped the shooting.

The ready to go NRA member with a gun? That never happens.

A great example was the incident win Las Vegas where ANOTHER guy who liked to dress up as The Joker (Seriously, what is it with these guys ruining a perfectly good comic book character?) shot two cops and there was a civilian with a gun who pulled out his piece and...

promptly got shot by his girlfriend who liked to dress up as Harley Quinn.

 

[JoeB131]

“In 2009 Islamist killer Nidal Malik Hasan, a U.S. Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others at Fort Hood, Texas. Fort Hood was a gun-free zone.

“Hasan reportedly screamed, ‘Allahu Akbar!’ as he committed his mass murder. …

“Barack Obama termed this Islamic terrorist attack ‘workplace violence.’ Complete lunacy.

They were shot by a co-worker, so, no, not really. If there's a word I'd love to expunge from the language, it's "Terrorism". Because half the guys we call "Terrorists" we used to call "Freedom Fighters" when they were killing people we didn't like.

“Today there was another mass shooting at Fort Hood. Soldiers were told to take cover and hide like cowards as a crazed gunman shot at least 14 Americans on base. The shooter, Ivan Lopez, then shot himself in the head.

“These deaths are the result of failed policies. These deaths are the result of a dangerous ‘gun free zone’ policy.

Yeah, so I was wondering what the result would have been if all those people were packing.

You got some MP who has a description of a "Shooter in Uniform". Then he sees a guy come out from behind a building with a gun! What do you do at that point. "Hey, buddy , are you the mad shooter or some concerned citizen who just wants to help"

 

[WinterBorn]

So your Army unit wasn't issued the Colt M16?

They're the same thing.

I thought you said you worked with these rifles? If you can tell the difference between 600 rounds per minute and 60 rounds per minute, you don't know much.

And the rate of fire is a very important distinction. Unlike say....."It looks like the one they gave me in the Army".

 

[JoeB131]

thought you said you worked with these rifles? If you can tell the difference between 600 rounds per minute and 60 rounds per minute, you don't know much.

And the rate of fire is a very important distinction. Unlike say....."It looks like the one they gave me in the Army".

Joker Holmes did plenty of damage at 60 rounds a minute.

But the poor dear's finger got tired.

 

[WinterBorn]

thought you said you worked with these rifles? If you can tell the difference between 600 rounds per minute and 60 rounds per minute, you don't know much.

And the rate of fire is a very important distinction. Unlike say....."It looks like the one they gave me in the Army".

Joker Holmes did plenty of damage at 60 rounds a minute.

But the poor dear's finger got tired.

He fired a few rounds and it jammed. The shotgun and Glock were the main weapons that killed people. But don't let the facts get in your way.

And yes, the rifle Holmes used is lethal. But to claim it is the same thing as a full auto M16 is simply a lie. And you know it. One is a machine gun and one is not. That they are shaped the same is not relevant.

 

[JoeB131]

He fired a few rounds and it jammed. The shotgun and Glock were the main weapons that killed people. But don't let the facts get in your way.

And yes, the rifle Holmes used is lethal. But to claim it is the same thing as a full auto M16 is simply a lie. And you know it. One is a machine gun and one is not. That they are shaped the same is not relevant.

They fire the same round that is designed to "tumble", doing a massive amount of damage to human flesh.

They both have a very high rate of fire. In fact, they army discourages soliders from using the full-auto feature of the M-16 and eventually introduced the M249 SAW to serve as an infantry squad's full automatic weapon.

 

[WinterBorn]

He fired a few rounds and it jammed. The shotgun and Glock were the main weapons that killed people. But don't let the facts get in your way.

And yes, the rifle Holmes used is lethal. But to claim it is the same thing as a full auto M16 is simply a lie. And you know it. One is a machine gun and one is not. That they are shaped the same is not relevant.

They fire the same round that is designed to "tumble", doing a massive amount of damage to human flesh.

They both have a very high rate of fire. In fact, they army discourages soliders from using the full-auto feature of the M-16 and eventually introduced the M249 SAW to serve as an infantry squad's full automatic weapon.

They are still not the same rifle. One is a fully automatic machine gun and the other is not. 600 rounds per minute and 60 rounds per minute are not the same thing. Any claims that they are the same is simply another lie you tell. And the fact that the rifle jammed after only a few rounds shows the irrelevance of your argument.

 

[WinterBorn]

He fired a few rounds and it jammed. The shotgun and Glock were the main weapons that killed people. But don't let the facts get in your way.

And yes, the rifle Holmes used is lethal. But to claim it is the same thing as a full auto M16 is simply a lie. And you know it. One is a machine gun and one is not. That they are shaped the same is not relevant.

They fire the same round that is designed to "tumble", doing a massive amount of damage to human flesh.

They both have a very high rate of fire. In fact, they army discourages soliders from using the full-auto feature of the M-16 and eventually introduced the M249 SAW to serve as an infantry squad's full automatic weapon.

Please describe what you mean by "tumble".

 

[turtledude]

God is this guy a lying moron. the victims were disarmed. if all the victims had been armed, far less innocents would have died. in VT, a teacher died holding a door shut while students escaped. If the students had been armed, they could have killed Choi as he tried to force is way into the room

Except, again, that never happens. And frankly, I wouldn't want to go to a campus where all the drunken frat boys are packing.

You were really too stupid for words because incidents when attackers are stopped BEFORE they can kill enough people for the massacre to be called a MASS SHOOTING, are not CALLED A MASS SHOOTING. so if an active shooter is SHOT after killing THREE PEOPLE, that isn't recorded as a case of an armed citizen stopping a mass killing

Except that you guys never give an example of a guy who was loaded for bear who was stopped before shooting anyone by a civilian. In fact, the list that you guys gave of ten supposed incidents all included either off-duty cops or military who stopped the shooting.

The ready to go NRA member with a gun? That never happens.

A great example was the incident win Las Vegas where ANOTHER guy who liked to dress up as The Joker (Seriously, what is it with these guys ruining a perfectly good comic book character?) shot two cops and there was a civilian with a gun who pulled out his piece and...

promptly got shot by his girlfriend who liked to dress up as Harley Quinn.

stop lying and stop whining about safety issues when you have already admitted your jihad against gun owners is based on how you think we voted in 2000

 

[turtledude]

thought you said you worked with these rifles? If you can tell the difference between 600 rounds per minute and 60 rounds per minute, you don't know much.

And the rate of fire is a very important distinction. Unlike say....."It looks like the one they gave me in the Army".

Joker Holmes did plenty of damage at 60 rounds a minute.

But the poor dear's finger got tired.

He fired a few rounds and it jammed. The shotgun and Glock were the main weapons that killed people. But don't let the facts get in your way.

And yes, the rifle Holmes used is lethal. But to claim it is the same thing as a full auto M16 is simply a lie. And you know it. One is a machine gun and one is not. That they are shaped the same is not relevant.

and if you ask him at what rate of fire should be legal, it will be whatever is less than we have now and then if that ban is passed, it will be less what is then legal

JoeB is a mindless mad dog gun banner. He doesn't have a sensible argument or position because he has admitted he wants to punish gun owners for our voting patterns. So he doesn't have a rational plan that would actually control criminals. Rather his scheme is to harass GOP voters which he figures includes most gun owners

He's a hating reactionary mentally diminished GoreBot who devolved into an Obama Suckler.

 

[WinterBorn]

God is this guy a lying moron. the victims were disarmed. if all the victims had been armed, far less innocents would have died. in VT, a teacher died holding a door shut while students escaped. If the students had been armed, they could have killed Choi as he tried to force is way into the room

Except, again, that never happens. And frankly, I wouldn't want to go to a campus where all the drunken frat boys are packing.

You were really too stupid for words because incidents when attackers are stopped BEFORE they can kill enough people for the massacre to be called a MASS SHOOTING, are not CALLED A MASS SHOOTING. so if an active shooter is SHOT after killing THREE PEOPLE, that isn't recorded as a case of an armed citizen stopping a mass killing

Except that you guys never give an example of a guy who was loaded for bear who was stopped before shooting anyone by a civilian. In fact, the list that you guys gave of ten supposed incidents all included either off-duty cops or military who stopped the shooting.

The ready to go NRA member with a gun? That never happens.

A great example was the incident win Las Vegas where ANOTHER guy who liked to dress up as The Joker (Seriously, what is it with these guys ruining a perfectly good comic book character?) shot two cops and there was a civilian with a gun who pulled out his piece and...

promptly got shot by his girlfriend who liked to dress up as Harley Quinn.

stop lying and stop whining about safety issues when you have already admitted your jihad against gun owners is based on how you think we voted in 2000

Yeah, I find it amusing that he hates me because of Bush. But he admitted that he voted for Bush in 2000, while I never voted for George W.

 

[ChrisL]

“In 2009 Islamist killer Nidal Malik Hasan, a U.S. Army major and psychiatrist, fatally shot 13 people and injured more than 30 others at Fort Hood, Texas. Fort Hood was a gun-free zone.

“Hasan reportedly screamed, ‘Allahu Akbar!’ as he committed his mass murder. …

“Barack Obama termed this Islamic terrorist attack ‘workplace violence.’ Complete lunacy.

They were shot by a co-worker, so, no, not really. If there's a word I'd love to expunge from the language, it's "Terrorism". Because half the guys we call "Terrorists" we used to call "Freedom Fighters" when they were killing people we didn't like.

“Today there was another mass shooting at Fort Hood. Soldiers were told to take cover and hide like cowards as a crazed gunman shot at least 14 Americans on base. The shooter, Ivan Lopez, then shot himself in the head.

“These deaths are the result of failed policies. These deaths are the result of a dangerous ‘gun free zone’ policy.

Yeah, so I was wondering what the result would have been if all those people were packing.

You got some MP who has a description of a "Shooter in Uniform". Then he sees a guy come out from behind a building with a gun! What do you do at that point. "Hey, buddy , are you the mad shooter or some concerned citizen who just wants to help"

So "no not really" what? It was a gun free zone, just like I said. It doesn't really matter if it was a coworker or not, now does it? Stranger, coworker, what the hell is the difference when someone is shooting at you and you have no means of self defense?

They probably would have aimed for HIM and shot and killed him. It certainly isn't any MORE dangerous than a guy randomly shooting people until he runs out of ammo, now is it?

 

[Ringel05]

He fired a few rounds and it jammed. The shotgun and Glock were the main weapons that killed people. But don't let the facts get in your way.

And yes, the rifle Holmes used is lethal. But to claim it is the same thing as a full auto M16 is simply a lie. And you know it. One is a machine gun and one is not. That they are shaped the same is not relevant.

They fire the same round that is designed to "tumble", doing a massive amount of damage to human flesh.

They both have a very high rate of fire. In fact, they army discourages soliders from using the full-auto feature of the M-16 and eventually introduced the M249 SAW to serve as an infantry squad's full automatic weapon.

Hate to bust your bubble but no round is designed to tumble, it's a myth perpetrated in the 60s with the advent of the M16, bad loads and some claiming it tumbled to make the soldiers feel better about the lighter round.
All rounds can "tumble" when striking a target, depends on many factors. You really do need to get your facts straight.

 

[WinterBorn]

He fired a few rounds and it jammed. The shotgun and Glock were the main weapons that killed people. But don't let the facts get in your way.

And yes, the rifle Holmes used is lethal. But to claim it is the same thing as a full auto M16 is simply a lie. And you know it. One is a machine gun and one is not. That they are shaped the same is not relevant.

They fire the same round that is designed to "tumble", doing a massive amount of damage to human flesh.

They both have a very high rate of fire. In fact, they army discourages soliders from using the full-auto feature of the M-16 and eventually introduced the M249 SAW to serve as an infantry squad's full automatic weapon.

Hate to bust your bubble but no round is designed to tumble, it's a myth perpetrated in the 60s with the advent of the M16, bad loads and some claiming it tumbled to make the soldiers feel better about the lighter round.
All rounds can "tumble" when striking a target, depends on many factors. You really do need to get your facts straight.

Yep. Any round that tumbles before it hits will be wildly inaccurate. In fact, the rifling makes the bullet spin to stabilize it. If a round tumbles after it hits, it does less damage than an expanding bullet. The tumbling bit is old bullshit and more proof JoeyB does know his ass from a hole in the ground where guns are concerned.

 

[Ringel05]

He fired a few rounds and it jammed. The shotgun and Glock were the main weapons that killed people. But don't let the facts get in your way.

And yes, the rifle Holmes used is lethal. But to claim it is the same thing as a full auto M16 is simply a lie. And you know it. One is a machine gun and one is not. That they are shaped the same is not relevant.

They fire the same round that is designed to "tumble", doing a massive amount of damage to human flesh.

They both have a very high rate of fire. In fact, they army discourages soliders from using the full-auto feature of the M-16 and eventually introduced the M249 SAW to serve as an infantry squad's full automatic weapon.

Hate to bust your bubble but no round is designed to tumble, it's a myth perpetrated in the 60s with the advent of the M16, bad loads and some claiming it tumbled to make the soldiers feel better about the lighter round.
All rounds can "tumble" when striking a target, depends on many factors. You really do need to get your facts straight.

Yep. Any round that tumbles before it hits will be wildly inaccurate. In fact, the rifling makes the bullet spin to stabilize it. If a round tumbles after it hits, it does less damage than an expanding bullet. The tumbling bit is old bullshit and more proof JoeyB does know his ass from a hole in the ground where guns are concerned.

Used to have an old Enfield Mark I, #4, 303. Was shooting a 55 gallon barrel at 30 yards with surplus WWII ammo and noticed the the strikes didn't look quite right. On closer inspection not a single one had created a round hole and about a third of the hits showed a perfect silhouette.... Changed to modern 303 loads and it shot relatively straight true. It was a combination of slightly worn rifling and the WWII ammo that had been stored so long the powder had settled to one side and compressed.
As for the tumbling he's referring to it's after the round strikes the target, like I said any round will do this given the right conditions and it's more likely in smaller rounds though it's still a rarity.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Maddow Blasts Law Requiring Aurora Shooting Victim s Parents To Pay Gun Manufacturers

its about time the courts start doing this. Assholes trying to slake their grief by suing innocent makers or being used as pawns by scumbags like Bloomberg need to get absolutely destroyed for this sort of nonsense

Pissing Rachel Madcow off-added bonus

Where does the link say the suit was ruled frivolous?

 

[ChrisL]

The Brady Center should have to pay the tab for the parents, as they are apparently the ones who instigated these lawsuits to begin with, and they provided attorneys, etc.

It's frivolous because it goes against existing laws of Commerce and Trade regarding gun manufacturers and dealers, namely because they have no control over what a customer does with their product once it has been purchased. If, however, the product is defective or there is some other issue for which they are actually at fault (and NOT the individual who purchased the weapon), then they can still be sued.

The Brady Center's goal, obviously, is to try to change the laws in Colorado.

 

[turtledude]

Maddow Blasts Law Requiring Aurora Shooting Victim s Parents To Pay Gun Manufacturers

its about time the courts start doing this. Assholes trying to slake their grief by suing innocent makers or being used as pawns by scumbags like Bloomberg need to get absolutely destroyed for this sort of nonsense

Pissing Rachel Madcow off-added bonus

Where does the link say the suit was ruled frivolous?

its frivolous as a matter of law. You cannot sue a gun dealer or a gun maker merely because some asshole uses the gun illegally. The only proper grounds for a lawsuit are as follows

1) the gun was defective and its defect led to a foreseeable injury

2) the dealer knowingly violated the laws by selling the gun without doing a check or to someone it knew or should have known was a prohibited person

So it was FRIVOLOUS per se

 

[turtledude]

God is this guy a lying moron. the victims were disarmed. if all the victims had been armed, far less innocents would have died. in VT, a teacher died holding a door shut while students escaped. If the students had been armed, they could have killed Choi as he tried to force is way into the room

Except, again, that never happens. And frankly, I wouldn't want to go to a campus where all the drunken frat boys are packing.

You were really too stupid for words because incidents when attackers are stopped BEFORE they can kill enough people for the massacre to be called a MASS SHOOTING, are not CALLED A MASS SHOOTING. so if an active shooter is SHOT after killing THREE PEOPLE, that isn't recorded as a case of an armed citizen stopping a mass killing

Except that you guys never give an example of a guy who was loaded for bear who was stopped before shooting anyone by a civilian. In fact, the list that you guys gave of ten supposed incidents all included either off-duty cops or military who stopped the shooting.

The ready to go NRA member with a gun? That never happens.

A great example was the incident win Las Vegas where ANOTHER guy who liked to dress up as The Joker (Seriously, what is it with these guys ruining a perfectly good comic book character?) shot two cops and there was a civilian with a gun who pulled out his piece and...

promptly got shot by his girlfriend who liked to dress up as Harley Quinn.

stop lying and stop whining about safety issues when you have already admitted your jihad against gun owners is based on how you think we voted in 2000

Yeah, I find it amusing that he hates me because of Bush. But he admitted that he voted for Bush in 2000, while I never voted for George W.

good point but I suspect he is lying. The Ben and Jerry Fairyes were told to say they were Bush voters when they called radio shows, posted on chat boards or wrote letters to the editor complaining about W. It more credible to say "I VOTED FOR BUSH BUT" rather than "I AM A HARD CORE DEMOCRAT AND BUSH SUCKS"

 

[turtledude]

The Brady Center should have to pay the tab for the parents, as they are apparently the ones who instigated these lawsuits to begin with, and they provided attorneys, etc.

It's frivolous because it goes against existing laws of Commerce and Trade regarding gun manufacturers and dealers, namely because they have no control over what a customer does with their product once it has been purchased. If, however, the product is defective or there is some other issue for which they are actually at fault (and NOT the individual who purchased the weapon), then they can still be sued.

The Brady Center's goal, obviously, is to try to change the laws in Colorado.

exactly. the Brady thugs should be hit with massive lawsuits for filing such crap