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Thank you for conceding that single-payer is constitutional. As far as a tax hike is concerned it is inevitable irrespective of any healthcare issues. But to address the issue of single-payer tax hike under the control of the voters vs incessant uncontrolled HMO profit driven increases it is a no brainer which one the voters would prefer when it is explained in those terms. Doubtless the Tea Party faction will blow smoke and scream at town hall events like ill-behaved children.
Yes, just what we need another entitlement program that the government controls' where waste and fraud can run rampant and the pork can be loaded up on "reform bills". I think NOT.
Other nations with government-dominated healthcare systems offer a preview of the fiscal woes and substandard care that lie ahead thanks to the president’s spendthrift reform plan.
In order to realize some savings, the NHS is raising the threshold at which patients qualify for treatment and lengthening wait times for surgeries determined “non-lifesaving.” The Service is also cutting more than 20,000 NHS jobs over the next two years and shuttering a number of hospitals
Patients are feeling the pain. For decades, they’ve turned over substantial portions of their hard-earned paychecks as taxes — and accepted “free”
health care from the government in return. Only about 11 percent of Britons pay for their care privately.
They’ve foregone cutting-edge medical treatments available in the United States, told by their leaders that these new therapies were no better than the old ones — just more expensive. At least in Britain, they thought, everyone has access to basic health care. That has to be better than the situation in America, where tens of millions of people lack health insurance, right?
Hardly. The British healthcare system may “guarantee” access to care — but that doesn’t mean patients actually receive it.
The Ugly Realities Of Socialized Medicine Are Not Going Away - Forbes
Your Forbes articles are long on opinion and anecdote and short on facts. Credibility relies upon verifiable data. Forbes is providing opinion and foregoing data therefore it has little to no credibility when it comes to healthcare. If it was this deficient in providing data on financial topics it would be out of business by now.
So you believe that voters won't do what is in their own best interests and go for the cheaper and more cost effective option if given the choice? Certainly there are some who would rather buy junk policies and pay more then necessary but given that most hardworking Americans will take any financial break they can get it seems odd that in this instance they will prefer to continue to be gouged and denied healthcare by the HMO's instead.
I believe this to be a lie and the credibility of government to perform such a promise just got its head blown off with Obamacare. You're simply trying to sell an idea. Which is all fine and good. Obama and the democrats sold Obamacare (not as a tax, which it is a tax) as a good idea too. People could keep their plans and doctors. People will pay less for better care. More people will be covered, etc....as it turns out, that isn't true at all.
The idea of selling an idea is that you want yur listener to believe what you say. But government just blew its own head off when it comes to managing healthcare. Even from a sideline but in the game perspective like Obama Tax.
No one is going to jump on a train of promisess liek that again any time soon. If ever.
Let's address your obsession that the ACA is a "tax". If you have employer provided healthcare or you buy your own directly from an HMO or you use the exchanges to obtain subsidized healthcare you are not liable for any "tax penalty" whatsoever. Only if you choose to place the taxpayers at risk for covering your medical expenses if you end up in an ER and don't have insurance will you have to pay a moderate "tax penalty".
So as far as being a "tax" is concerned it only applies to a small fraction of the population who are too irresponsible to obtain healthcare insurance.
So in reality there is no "tax" at all for normal responsible law abiding citizens.
You're correct. Although the president is charged with faithfully executing the law, Congress has also given the executive branch some flexibility in determining what it means to faithfully execute a law. Its hard, after all, for legislators to predict every thorny issue that will come up in implementing a law. Delaying implementation is legal until the court says it isn't.
The implementation schedule is PART OF THE LAW. Changing the implementation schedule is a violation of the law.
TASK is lost
The American people have won, and so have you, TASB.
"he who laughs last, laughs best" This is far from over, snake. The american people will toss this POS law into the trash heap of left wing failures and lies.
the american people have temporalily lost, but the game is only in the first half.
ACA is terrible law and will be struck down one way or another.
It's not politicians that will do the tossing--already Americans are. Only 27,000 signed up for the pay it yourself Obamacare--while 500,000 joined the "free" Medicade rolls under Obamacare.
Millions of Americans have received cancellation notices. Why aren't they buying OBAMACARE? All of the state run Obamacare websites are working just fine. REASON: "The affordable health care act, aka Obamacare--is NOT affordable as promised it would be."
Americans are not going to pay double or triple what they were paying for insurance that is currently being cancelled now--PERIOD.
"he who laughs last, laughs best" This is far from over, snake. The american people will toss this POS law into the trash heap of left wing failures and lies.
the american people have temporalily lost, but the game is only in the first half.
ACA is terrible law and will be struck down one way or another.
It's not politicians that will do the tossing--already Americans are. Only 27,000 signed up for the pay it yourself Obamacare--while 500,000 joined the "free" Medicade rolls under Obamacare.
Millions of Americans have received cancellation notices. Why aren't they buying OBAMACARE? All of the state run Obamacare websites are working just fine. REASON: "The affordable health care act, aka Obamacare--is NOT affordable as promised it would be."
Americans are not going to pay double or triple what they were paying for insurance that is currently being cancelled now--PERIOD.
So the GOP plans to run on repealing Obamacare and throwing all those people off Medicaid?
It's not politicians that will do the tossing--already Americans are. Only 27,000 signed up for the pay it yourself Obamacare--while 500,000 joined the "free" Medicade rolls under Obamacare.
Millions of Americans have received cancellation notices. Why aren't they buying OBAMACARE? All of the state run Obamacare websites are working just fine. REASON: "The affordable health care act, aka Obamacare--is NOT affordable as promised it would be."
Americans are not going to pay double or triple what they were paying for insurance that is currently being cancelled now--PERIOD.
So the GOP plans to run on repealing Obamacare and throwing all those people off Medicaid?
Obamacare has what to do with Medicaid?
It's not politicians that will do the tossing--already Americans are. Only 27,000 signed up for the pay it yourself Obamacare--while 500,000 joined the "free" Medicade rolls under Obamacare.
Millions of Americans have received cancellation notices. Why aren't they buying OBAMACARE? All of the state run Obamacare websites are working just fine. REASON: "The affordable health care act, aka Obamacare--is NOT affordable as promised it would be."
Americans are not going to pay double or triple what they were paying for insurance that is currently being cancelled now--PERIOD.
So the GOP plans to run on repealing Obamacare and throwing all those people off Medicaid?
Obamacare has what to do with Medicaid?
So the GOP plans to run on repealing Obamacare and throwing all those people off Medicaid?
Obamacare has what to do with Medicaid?
obamacaid
he means the folks on the subsidies
I believe this to be a lie and the credibility of government to perform such a promise just got its head blown off with Obamacare. You're simply trying to sell an idea. Which is all fine and good. Obama and the democrats sold Obamacare (not as a tax, which it is a tax) as a good idea too. People could keep their plans and doctors. People will pay less for better care. More people will be covered, etc....as it turns out, that isn't true at all.
The idea of selling an idea is that you want yur listener to believe what you say. But government just blew its own head off when it comes to managing healthcare. Even from a sideline but in the game perspective like Obama Tax.
No one is going to jump on a train of promisess liek that again any time soon. If ever.
Let's address your obsession that the ACA is a "tax". If you have employer provided healthcare or you buy your own directly from an HMO or you use the exchanges to obtain subsidized healthcare you are not liable for any "tax penalty" whatsoever. Only if you choose to place the taxpayers at risk for covering your medical expenses if you end up in an ER and don't have insurance will you have to pay a moderate "tax penalty".
So as far as being a "tax" is concerned it only applies to a small fraction of the population who are too irresponsible to obtain healthcare insurance.
So in reality there is no "tax" at all for normal responsible law abiding citizens.
the mandate = tax.
The implementation schedule is PART OF THE LAW. Changing the implementation schedule is a violation of the law.
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To amend the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to provide for participation in the Exchange of the President, Vice President, Members of Congress, political appointees, and congressional staff.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. PARTICIPATION OF PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, POLITICAL APPOINTEES, AND CONGRESSIONAL STAFF IN THE EXCHANGE.
(a) In General- Section 1312(d)(3)(D) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (42 U.S.C. 18032(d)(3)(D)) is amended to read as follows:
`(D) PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT, POLITICAL APPOINTEES, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, AND CONGRESSIONAL STAFF IN THE EXCHANGE-
`(i) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding chapter 89 of title 5, United States Code, or any provision of this title--
`(I) the President, the Vice President, each political appointee, each Member of Congress, and each Congressional employee shall be treated as a qualified individual entitled to the right under this paragraph to enroll in a qualified health plan in the individual market offered through an Exchange in the State in which the individual resides; and
`(II) any employer contribution under such chapter on behalf of the President, the Vice President, any political appointee, any Member of Congress, and any Congressional employee may be paid only to the issuer of a qualified health plan in which the individual enrolled through such Exchange and not to the issuer of a plan offered through the Federal employees health benefit program under such chapter.
`(ii) PAYMENTS BY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT- The Secretary, in consultation with the Director of the Office of Personnel Management, shall establish procedures under which--
`(I) the employer contributions under such chapter on behalf of the President, the Vice President, each political appointee, each Member of Congress, and each Congressional employee are determined and actuarially adjusted for individual or family coverage, rating areas, and age (in accordance with clauses (i) through (iii) of section 2701(a)(1)(A) of the Public Health Service Act); and
`(II) the employer contributions may be made directly to an Exchange for payment to an issuer.
`(iii) POLITICAL APPOINTEE- In this subparagraph, the term `political appointee' means any individual who--
`(I) is employed in a position described under sections 5312 through 5316 of title 5, United States Code, (relating to the Executive Schedule);
`(II) is a limited term appointee, limited emergency appointee, or noncareer appointee in the Senior Executive Service, as defined under paragraphs (5), (6), and (7), respectively, of section 3132(a) of title 5, United States Code; or
`(III) is employed in a position in the executive branch of the Government of a confidential or policy-determining character under schedule C of subpart C of part 213 of title 5 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
`(iv) CONGRESSIONAL EMPLOYEE- In this subparagraph, the term `Congressional employee' means an employee whose pay is disbursed by the Secretary of the Senate or the Chief Administrative Officer of the House of Representatives.'.
(b) Effective Date- The amendment made by this section shall take effect as if included in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
So the GOP plans to run on repealing Obamacare and throwing all those people off Medicaid?
Obamacare has what to do with Medicaid?
obamacaid
he means the folks on the subsidies
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To amend the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to provide for participation in the Exchange of the President, Vice President, Members of Congress, political appointees, and congressional staff.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. PARTICIPATION OF PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, POLITICAL APPOINTEES, AND CONGRESSIONAL STAFF IN THE EXCHANGE.
(a) In General- Section 1312(d)(3)(D) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (42 U.S.C. 18032(d)(3)(D)) is amended to read as follows:
`(D) PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT, POLITICAL APPOINTEES, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, AND CONGRESSIONAL STAFF IN THE EXCHANGE-
`(i) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding chapter 89 of title 5, United States Code, or any provision of this title--
`(I) the President, the Vice President, each political appointee, each Member of Congress, and each Congressional employee shall be treated as a qualified individual entitled to the right under this paragraph to enroll in a qualified health plan in the individual market offered through an Exchange in the State in which the individual resides; and
`(II) any employer contribution under such chapter on behalf of the President, the Vice President, any political appointee, any Member of Congress, and any Congressional employee may be paid only to the issuer of a qualified health plan in which the individual enrolled through such Exchange and not to the issuer of a plan offered through the Federal employees health benefit program under such chapter.
`(ii) PAYMENTS BY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT- The Secretary, in consultation with the Director of the Office of Personnel Management, shall establish procedures under which--
`(I) the employer contributions under such chapter on behalf of the President, the Vice President, each political appointee, each Member of Congress, and each Congressional employee are determined and actuarially adjusted for individual or family coverage, rating areas, and age (in accordance with clauses (i) through (iii) of section 2701(a)(1)(A) of the Public Health Service Act); and
`(II) the employer contributions may be made directly to an Exchange for payment to an issuer.
`(iii) POLITICAL APPOINTEE- In this subparagraph, the term `political appointee' means any individual who--
`(I) is employed in a position described under sections 5312 through 5316 of title 5, United States Code, (relating to the Executive Schedule);
`(II) is a limited term appointee, limited emergency appointee, or noncareer appointee in the Senior Executive Service, as defined under paragraphs (5), (6), and (7), respectively, of section 3132(a) of title 5, United States Code; or
`(III) is employed in a position in the executive branch of the Government of a confidential or policy-determining character under schedule C of subpart C of part 213 of title 5 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
`(iv) CONGRESSIONAL EMPLOYEE- In this subparagraph, the term `Congressional employee' means an employee whose pay is disbursed by the Secretary of the Senate or the Chief Administrative Officer of the House of Representatives.'.
(b) Effective Date- The amendment made by this section shall take effect as if included in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
The effective date that a law is enacted is not the same date(s) as to when the provisions must take implemented. The schedule for the ACA covers from 2010 through 2018 for the various aspects to be implemented.
Obamacare has what to do with Medicaid?
obamacaid
he means the folks on the subsidies
He means the 396,000 who have found out they should be in Medicaid (qualified but unaware of that fact) instead of ACA.
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To amend the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act to provide for participation in the Exchange of the President, Vice President, Members of Congress, political appointees, and congressional staff.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. PARTICIPATION OF PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, POLITICAL APPOINTEES, AND CONGRESSIONAL STAFF IN THE EXCHANGE.
(a) In General- Section 1312(d)(3)(D) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (42 U.S.C. 18032(d)(3)(D)) is amended to read as follows:
`(D) PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT, POLITICAL APPOINTEES, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, AND CONGRESSIONAL STAFF IN THE EXCHANGE-
`(i) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding chapter 89 of title 5, United States Code, or any provision of this title--
`(I) the President, the Vice President, each political appointee, each Member of Congress, and each Congressional employee shall be treated as a qualified individual entitled to the right under this paragraph to enroll in a qualified health plan in the individual market offered through an Exchange in the State in which the individual resides; and
`(II) any employer contribution under such chapter on behalf of the President, the Vice President, any political appointee, any Member of Congress, and any Congressional employee may be paid only to the issuer of a qualified health plan in which the individual enrolled through such Exchange and not to the issuer of a plan offered through the Federal employees health benefit program under such chapter.
`(ii) PAYMENTS BY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT- The Secretary, in consultation with the Director of the Office of Personnel Management, shall establish procedures under which--
`(I) the employer contributions under such chapter on behalf of the President, the Vice President, each political appointee, each Member of Congress, and each Congressional employee are determined and actuarially adjusted for individual or family coverage, rating areas, and age (in accordance with clauses (i) through (iii) of section 2701(a)(1)(A) of the Public Health Service Act); and
`(II) the employer contributions may be made directly to an Exchange for payment to an issuer.
`(iii) POLITICAL APPOINTEE- In this subparagraph, the term `political appointee' means any individual who--
`(I) is employed in a position described under sections 5312 through 5316 of title 5, United States Code, (relating to the Executive Schedule);
`(II) is a limited term appointee, limited emergency appointee, or noncareer appointee in the Senior Executive Service, as defined under paragraphs (5), (6), and (7), respectively, of section 3132(a) of title 5, United States Code; or
`(III) is employed in a position in the executive branch of the Government of a confidential or policy-determining character under schedule C of subpart C of part 213 of title 5 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
`(iv) CONGRESSIONAL EMPLOYEE- In this subparagraph, the term `Congressional employee' means an employee whose pay is disbursed by the Secretary of the Senate or the Chief Administrative Officer of the House of Representatives.'.
(b) Effective Date- The amendment made by this section shall take effect as if included in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
The effective date that a law is enacted is not the same date(s) as to when the provisions must take implemented. The schedule for the ACA covers from 2010 through 2018 for the various aspects to be implemented.
you have no idea what you're talking about. did you even read it or just look for an 'out'.....?
Health Reform Implementation Timeline
The implementation timeline is an interactive tool designed to explain how and when the provisions of the Affordable Care Act will be implemented over the next several years.
You can show or hide all the changes occurring in a year by clicking on that year. Click on a provision to get more information about it. Customize the timeline by checking and unchecking specific topics.
provision by year
2010 (26 in total, 26 in effect)
2011 (20 in total, 18 in effect)
2012 (11 in total, 10 in effect)
2013 (14 in total, 11 in effect)
State Notification Regarding Exchanges2014 (16 in total, 15 in effect)
Medicare Bundled Payment Pilot Program
Medicaid Coverage of Preventive Services
Medicaid Payments for Primary Care
Itemized Deductions for Medical Expenses
Flexible Spending Account Limits
Medicare Tax Increase
Employer Retiree Coverage Subsidy
Tax on Medical Devices
Financial Disclosure
CO-OP Health Insurance Plans
Extension of CHIP
Medicare Disproportionate Share Hospital Payments
Medicaid Disproportionate Share Hospital Payments
Expanded Medicaid Coverage2015 (1 in total, 0 in effect)
Presumptive Eligibility for Medicaid
Individual Requirement to Have Insurance
Health Insurance Exchanges
Health Insurance Premium and Cost Sharing Subsidies
Guaranteed Availability of Insurance
No Annual Limits on Coverage
Essential Health Benefits
Multi-State Health Plans
Temporary Reinsurance Program for Health Plans
Basic Health Plan
Employer Requirements
Medicare Advantage Plan Loss Ratios
Wellness Programs in Insurance
Fees on Health Insurance Sector
Medicare Payments for Hospital-Acquired Infections
2016 (1 in total, 0 in effect)
2018 (1 in total, 0 in effect)
you can post from whomever you like, if its not from THE Bill, I cannot help you....and it appears to me you're not even reading, and trying to answer what I am asking either.
example in that cut and paste of yours , a) it doesn't address the section of the bill I posted , b) theres 2 contradictions right there in your cut and paste in relation to what I posted in my last post to you........
Obama is a lame duck. The concern for the dems is the NEXT presidency. It isn't looking hopeful for them.
Obama is a lame duck. The concern for the dems is the NEXT presidency. It isn't looking hopeful for them.
More important is 2014; which is looking REALLY bad for the dims..
My heart goes out to them..
