GOP introduces national right-to-work legislation

[kiwiman127]

Yeah, let's just rid of unions. Let's increase the income inequality gap. Let's make sure your children and your children's children don't have the opportunity your parents had before unions were decimated during the Reagan years. Let's continue to kiss the ass of those who are destroying the middle class.
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Association is not correlation. Many companies left or died because it's too costly to do business here. More demands and higher costs would help?

A forty year consistent intertwining trends and you say there is no correlation?

 

[Iceweasel]

Yeah, let's just rid of unions. Let's increase the income inequality gap. Let's make sure your children and your children's children don't have the opportunity your parents had before unions were decimated during the Reagan years. Let's continue to kiss the ass of those who are destroying the middle class.
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Association is not correlation. Many companies left or died because it's too costly to do business here. More demands and higher costs would help?

A forty year constisistent trend and you say there is no coorelation?

That's right. You have a conclusion, the facts don't say that. Many factors are involved, you ignore all others but the one you want.

 

[Iceweasel]

No, we need less unions and more competition. Which can't happen until regulations and taxes get rolled back.

There is no competition when one side has all the power. Unions even things up.

no unions drive up the cost of everything because they will never get rid of a job that is obsolete.

I dont accept that opinion as valid. And in any case the opposite of that is a race to the bottom where everything is made by Chinese and Bangladeshi toddlers.
In effect the sick society that you and your ilk whine about 24/7.
You are conflicted sir.

That's what has been happening more and more so your theory needs work.

As usual you miss the point in spectacular fashion.

Jobs go overseas because the corporations feed off inequality and not because unions fight for a fairer slice of the pie.
If the world was more equal then you would not feel the need to build this ridiculous wall.

So more union jobs would keep the illegals out. Yeah, I missed that nuance alright.

 

[kiwiman127]

Yeah, let's just rid of unions. Let's increase the income inequality gap. Let's make sure your children and your children's children don't have the opportunity your parents had before unions were decimated during the Reagan years. Let's continue to kiss the ass of those who are destroying the middle class.
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Association is not correlation. Many companies left or died because it's too costly to do business here. More demands and higher costs would help?

A forty year constisistent trend and you say there is no coorelation?

That's right. You have a conclusion, the facts don't say that. Many factors are involved, you ignore all others but the one you want.

Facts? What facts?

 

[Skull Pilot]

No, we need less unions and more competition. Which can't happen until regulations and taxes get rolled back.

There is no competition when one side has all the power. Unions even things up.

no unions drive up the cost of everything because they will never get rid of a job that is obsolete.

I dont accept that opinion as valid. And in any case the opposite of that is a race to the bottom where everything is made by Chinese and Bangladeshi toddlers.
In effect the sick society that you and your ilk whine about 24/7.
You are conflicted sir.

That's what has been happening more and more so your theory needs work.

As usual you miss the point in spectacular fashion.

Jobs go overseas because the corporations feed off inequality and not because unions fight for a fairer slice of the pie.
If the world was more equal then you would not feel the need to build this ridiculous wall.

well the world isn't more equal and it will never be more equal so keep eating your pie in the sky and see where that gets you

 

[Tommy Tainant]

There is no competition when one side has all the power. Unions even things up.

no unions drive up the cost of everything because they will never get rid of a job that is obsolete.

I dont accept that opinion as valid. And in any case the opposite of that is a race to the bottom where everything is made by Chinese and Bangladeshi toddlers.
In effect the sick society that you and your ilk whine about 24/7.
You are conflicted sir.

That's what has been happening more and more so your theory needs work.

As usual you miss the point in spectacular fashion.

Jobs go overseas because the corporations feed off inequality and not because unions fight for a fairer slice of the pie.
If the world was more equal then you would not feel the need to build this ridiculous wall.

well the world isn't more equal and it will never be more equal so keep eating your pie in the sky and see where that gets you

Well I can accept some of that, the rich get richer off the back of the working man.

But change is happening. I would point to the success of the EU in levelling up standards across Europe.

Backward countries like Spain and Ireland now have a much higher standard of living than they used to.

As the EU grows then Eastern European countries will see the benefit as well.

 

[Skull Pilot]

no unions drive up the cost of everything because they will never get rid of a job that is obsolete.

I dont accept that opinion as valid. And in any case the opposite of that is a race to the bottom where everything is made by Chinese and Bangladeshi toddlers.
In effect the sick society that you and your ilk whine about 24/7.
You are conflicted sir.

That's what has been happening more and more so your theory needs work.

As usual you miss the point in spectacular fashion.

Jobs go overseas because the corporations feed off inequality and not because unions fight for a fairer slice of the pie.
If the world was more equal then you would not feel the need to build this ridiculous wall.

well the world isn't more equal and it will never be more equal so keep eating your pie in the sky and see where that gets you

Well I can accept some of that, the rich get richer off the back of the working man.

But change is happening. I would point to the success of the EU in levelling up standards across Europe.

Backward countries like Spain and Ireland now have a much higher standard of living than they used to.

As the EU grows then Eastern European countries will see the benefit as well.

that is such bullshit.

The rich get richer because they understand money wealth is not a zero sum game
What rich guy ever stopped you from making more money ?
What rich guy ever stopped you from increasing your net worth?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I dont accept that opinion as valid. And in any case the opposite of that is a race to the bottom where everything is made by Chinese and Bangladeshi toddlers.
In effect the sick society that you and your ilk whine about 24/7.
You are conflicted sir.

That's what has been happening more and more so your theory needs work.

As usual you miss the point in spectacular fashion.

Jobs go overseas because the corporations feed off inequality and not because unions fight for a fairer slice of the pie.
If the world was more equal then you would not feel the need to build this ridiculous wall.

well the world isn't more equal and it will never be more equal so keep eating your pie in the sky and see where that gets you

Well I can accept some of that, the rich get richer off the back of the working man.

But change is happening. I would point to the success of the EU in levelling up standards across Europe.

Backward countries like Spain and Ireland now have a much higher standard of living than they used to.

As the EU grows then Eastern European countries will see the benefit as well.

that is such bullshit.

The rich get richer because they understand money wealth is not a zero sum game
What rich guy ever stopped you from making more money ?
What rich guy ever stopped you from increasing your net worth?

Imbecility. Do they teach you this at RWNJ classes ?

 

[gallantwarrior]

No, we need less unions and more competition. Which can't happen until regulations and taxes get rolled back.

Anyone willing to work for a major corporations without a Union contract is an imbecile and must be ready to lose everything at a moments notice.

Only because my employer would most likely be sued to hell and back should a union slug be set aside in favor of my much superior performance. My experience with union ass-suckers is, they are complacent and perform at minimal levels. Thanks, I'd much rather rely on my own abilities, drive, and devotion to duty.
Every union shop I've found myself trapped in, I have always submitted to only be dunned for the minimum dues contribution.

 

[gallantwarrior]

The larger corporations own the political parties and they would prefer that workers had zero protection.
We need more union not less.

No, we need less unions and more competition. Which can't happen until regulations and taxes get rolled back.

There is no competition when one side has all the power. Unions even things up.

Funny as all shit!!! You've never worked in a shop where the union and the company wonks were sucking each others' dicks so hard, you couldn't hear a toilet flushing, have you?

 

[gallantwarrior]

The larger corporations own the political parties and they would prefer that workers had zero protection.
We need more union not less.

No, we need less unions and more competition. Which can't happen until regulations and taxes get rolled back.

There is no competition when one side has all the power. Unions even things up.

no unions drive up the cost of everything because they will never get rid of a job that is obsolete.

As long as unions are permitted to blackmail employees and extort dues, holding workers hostage to "joining" a union, or losing their jobs, it will be difficult to loosen the claw-hold unions have on some employers.

 

[gallantwarrior]

The larger corporations own the political parties and they would prefer that workers had zero protection.
We need more union not less.

No, we need less unions and more competition. Which can't happen until regulations and taxes get rolled back.

There is no competition when one side has all the power. Unions even things up.

no unions drive up the cost of everything because they will never get rid of a job that is obsolete.

I dont accept that opinion as valid. And in any case the opposite of that is a race to the bottom where everything is made by Chinese and Bangladeshi toddlers.
In effect the sick society that you and your ilk whine about 24/7.
You are conflicted sir.

Too bad unions have already played their role in driving so many jobs offshore by their intransigence and inability to see beyond their dues.

 

[gallantwarrior]

That's exactly what you said, you want workers to obey your silly union rules and not actually be productive.

No it's not. I said I did not want Union employees doing more work than they are required to or doing work that us,outside of their contracted job classification. There's a major difference.

So, you are openly declaring your union members incompetent and unwilling to do the job, as required?

 

[gallantwarrior]

That's exactly what you said, you want workers to obey your silly union rules and not actually be productive.

No it's not. I said I did not want Union employees doing more work than they are required to or doing work that us,outside of their contracted job classification. There's a major difference.

Exactly... God for bid a Union electrician to help out a lowly operator if they needed help..

To get the job done.

It's not in their job description..

Plainly, getting the job done, performing as desired/required by the employer/contractor is far less important than dragging shit out so that the union slugs get paid, regardless of job performance, or timely completion.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Yeah, let's just rid of unions. Let's increase the income inequality gap. Let's make sure your children and your children's children don't have the opportunity your parents had before unions were decimated during the Reagan years. Let's continue to kiss the ass of those who are destroying the middle class.
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"Income equality" is another left-tard dog whistle intended to inspire their brainwashed, under-educated, zombie supporters to riot and destroy the means of production.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yeah, let's just rid of unions. Let's increase the income inequality gap. Let's make sure your children and your children's children don't have the opportunity your parents had before unions were decimated during the Reagan years. Let's continue to kiss the ass of those who are destroying the middle class.
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Try to get a job at a union today it's a private club.. It's the mafia..

 

[EverCurious]

Yeah idk I've never been in a union in my entire life, admittedly I went the high route of management, but I was essentially a self-employeed 'contractor' many times over and getting paid 6 figures for three to four months work - salary and way more than 40 hours a week. I've never 'needed' a union to command the pay I wanted/needed/deserved (in fact I usually underbid my competitors.) I look at the job request, negotiated my pay with the employer, and did the job - no need for a middle-man union really. Hell I even got spontaneous bonuses after the fact when the BOD thought I did a super job.

I fought against a few unions silly demand shit; like the companies going under but the union won't take a pay-cut nor let anyone in unnecessary positions be fired, but I'd been able to make a deal work with/for them in the end. I've never had a situation fail because of a union, but I have had them make shit more difficult than it needed to be - same could be said for BODs and lower management though heh

 

[Pete7469]

As a Union Steward I will say this.....

ANY worker in my department who does not pay dues WILL NOT be supported, protected or represented by me, or any other Union Officer.

As long as you don't break his legs.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Yeah idk I've never been in a union in my entire life, admittedly I went the high route of management, but I was essentially a self-employeed 'contractor' many times over and getting paid 6 figures for three to four months work - salary and way more than 40 hours a week. I've never 'needed' a union to command the pay I wanted/needed/deserved (in fact I usually underbid my competitors.) I look at the job request, negotiated my pay with the employer, and did the job - no need for a middle-man union really. Hell I even got spontaneous bonuses after the fact when the BOD thought I did a super job.

I fought against a few unions silly demand shit; like the companies going under but the union won't take a pay-cut nor let anyone in unnecessary positions be fired, but I'd been able to make a deal work with/for them in the end. I've never had a situation fail because of a union, but I have had them make shit more difficult than it needed to be - same could be said for BODs and lower management though heh

I fought against a few unions silly demand shit;

Exactly.

Dealing with unions in America today is like dealing with 10 year olds with the mental capacity of toddlers..

 

[EverCurious]

bear513 heh I can agree with that on some accounts, but I also think there's a bit of a universal trend of stupid these days. They're just not teaching the shit that needs to be taught in colleges anymore (socialist agenda and hatred of profit and successful business practices.) I mean you get these kids coming out of what used to be /business/ schools and they have no fucking clue what they're doing.

I had a UoC[hicago ] who had 'relegated' the entire management process out to the paper pushers because he wanted to 'create a friendly work environment' - had shit like 'weekly wine tasting meetings' and similar rediculious hair-brained waste of money plans to 'keep up moral' Meanwhile the company was bleeding out $1M in profits and was nearly insolvent due to having blown off their profit margins 'by popular vote' and depleted their emergency capital on 'weekend employee retreats.' The BOD was even on-board with the dumb-shittery, I got what amounts to a 'vote of no confidence' from the whole mess of them when I pointed out their reckless policies Thankfully I was able to talk some sense into the president and owner, but the company couldn't recover they'd let it get so bad and the ultimately bankrupted.

There's some /seriously/ messed up ideas floating out of colleges as they try to bend to politically correct ideals that go against every single tenant of intelligent plans for long-term business success...