GOP may "leverage" debt ceiling against de-funding Obamacare

I have been civil with you. Telling you are in error and out of step is not rude. But your language and behavior here are just that.

The mainstream GOP is done with the far right reactionaries. All we want is your votes, not your policies. Form your own party if you don't like it, because you will not have the GOP.

sorry my little friend, but you started the insults, when that starts I will always end it.

what you call the mainstream GOP is nothing but democrat-lite i.e. McCain, Graham, and McConnell. You can have them, let them become democrats. We don't need them.

We must stand by constitutional principles no matter what the price, thats what the founders did and the created they best nation in the history of the world. We can either let it crumble into socialist ruin, or we can take it back, the time is now.

Typical Joe McCarthy denial from you, Redfish. Be polite, and I will be also. Unless you think that you being a reactionary is an insult; however, it is what you are.

You shout all you want, Redfish, but the reactionaries' days are done.

I do consider it an insult and a stupid one because it is totally inaccurate. I will be polite as long as you post like an adult. As I said, you started the insults.

and grow up on your obsession with "reactionary" it is totally inappropriate and quite juvenile.
 
Sorry, but, yes, "reactionary" describes the far right's craziness on certain policies.

You are "reactionary" as huggy is "liberal."

It's what you are.
 
Sorry, but, yes, "reactionary" describes the far right's craziness on certain policies.

You are "reactionary" as huggy is "liberal."

It's what you are.

welcome to my ignore list, I am done with your asinine rants.:eusa_whistle:
 
Stop the nonsense. Now! We pay the highest bills in the world for terribly inefficient medical care that leaves us with lower longevity and higher pain levels.

Redfish, our "free market" system has failed except to enrich business and their political allies.

What do you suggest?

Who? which americans are paying these huge medical bills? who are they? not people on medicaid, medicare, welfare, those with insurance, those without insurance.

who? which americans are paying these terrible medical bills? who? name them by group.

Now you are doing the Saul Alinksy nonsense for the reactionary right: cry and deny.

Our system from 1990 to 2008 made insurance industries rich, while our national health has suffered in comparison, as you well know, with the rest of the western industrialized nations at much higher costs.

ACA as a battle cry is over for the mainstream GOP.

Walk away.

where is your picture Jakey....?

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Who? which americans are paying these huge medical bills? who are they? not people on medicaid, medicare, welfare, those with insurance, those without insurance.

who? which americans are paying these terrible medical bills? who? name them by group.

Now you are doing the Saul Alinksy nonsense for the reactionary right: cry and deny.

Our system from 1990 to 2008 made insurance industries rich, while our national health has suffered in comparison, as you well know, with the rest of the western industrialized nations at much higher costs.

ACA as a battle cry is over for the mainstream GOP.

Walk away.

where is your picture Jakey....?

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SE, we will decide if you get to play in the party, not otherwise. The reactionaries' days of national influence are gone.
 
Now you are doing the Saul Alinksy nonsense for the reactionary right: cry and deny.

Our system from 1990 to 2008 made insurance industries rich, while our national health has suffered in comparison, as you well know, with the rest of the western industrialized nations at much higher costs.

ACA as a battle cry is over for the mainstream GOP.

Walk away.

where is your picture Jakey....?

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SE, we will decide if you get to play in the party, not otherwise. The reactionaries' days of national influence are gone.

if we go so does the rest...might as well have just one party....a dimwit's dream...
 
No, only 8% of you will go, and that is good riddance for the rest of the GOP.

Mainstream Republicans are willing to replace you with minorities and women and Hispanics who respond to our reach out programs.
 
No, only 8% of you will go, and that is good riddance for the rest of the GOP.

Mainstream Republicans are willing to replace you with minorities and women and Hispanics who respond to our reach out programs.

where were you in 2010.....? that new groundswell of conservatives has not yet stopped....and notice how many stayed home when a milquetoast republican was put up in 2012....

the R party is changing and it is going to become more conservative....in fact 54% want a more conservative party....only 41% choose moderation...

Republicans want their party to change, by becoming more conservative
 
The debt ceiling will be raised, again ... and again, and again, and again.


If we keep deficit spending it needs to be. Else wise you can kiss your savings goodbye.

If that is what it takes to save the country from financial ruin (Detroit) then so be it. We cannot continue to spend more than we collect. Sooner or later the piper has to be paid.

You don't save a government from bankruptcy by causing it to go bankrupt. That's just retarded.
 
[MENTION=20412]JakeStarkey[/MENTION]:

I don't really care if you find me credible or not. I believe what I believe and I don't give a shit if you or anyone else agrees. I know what is right and what is wrong, I know what works and what does not work. I have studied history and see that the USA is following the pattern of all of the great civilizations of the past that have failed. Your use of the work reactionary just removes what little credibility you might have. Grow up, lose the stupid insults, and have a mature discussion of what is destroying our great country. Hint------its not "reactionaries"

You are a failed reactionary of the far right, who along with those few who think like you will never have another chance of influence in the party.

You are what you are: a failed political reactionary.

Your immaturity is obvious, so move along.



He's for smaller federal govt; lower taxes; less govt intrusion into our lives; sensible foreign policy; sensible fiscal policy ... and you call that "failed political reactionary"??

They sound like just like things you would be for, Jake.

:confused:
 
The debt ceiling will be raised, again ... and again, and again, and again

Because Republicans vote Government expenses be paid on Bush's 2009 Budget again ... and again, and again, and again - on Continuing Resolution.

Because they won't approve an Obama budget.

They have shown again and again, they will renege on the debt they approved again and again .... even enticing the absurdly corrupt S & P to lower the rating on U.S. Treasuries

But saner heads than the tea party agree: we approved the expense, we must pay for it.

:)

Of course they have to pay for what they spent. Duh.

When are they going to reduce spending so they won't have to keep raising the debt ceiling??

I won't hold my breath.

Even the Dems voted no on Obama's budget. Fail.
 
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No, only 8% of you will go, and that is good riddance for the rest of the GOP.

Mainstream Republicans are willing to replace you with minorities and women and Hispanics who respond to our reach out programs.


I don't think so, Jake. People are sick and tired of Rs and Ds being the same thing. You know, one coin, two sides and all. It's time for a change back to smaller government and fiscal conservancy.

The social stuff should be put aside and fiscal sanity restored. Voting D or todays R (McCain, Boehner, et al) is only going to keep us in the mental ward.
 
No, only 8% of you will go, and that is good riddance for the rest of the GOP.

Mainstream Republicans are willing to replace you with minorities and women and Hispanics who respond to our reach out programs.

where were you in 2010.....? that new groundswell of conservatives has not yet stopped....and notice how many stayed home when a milquetoast republican was put up in 2012....

the R party is changing and it is going to become more conservative....in fact 54% want a more conservative party....only 41% choose moderation...

Republicans want their party to change, by becoming more conservative

Nope, it will not. That groundswell fell apart in 2012.

Conservative does not mean reactionary. You are not conservative, and the mainstream does not want the far right as the banner men of the movement.

If we fight over ACA, we will lose the elections next year, and then the Dems will ram through single payer. Once that's done, we can never go back.
 
OP- that would ruin the recovery for ANOTHER year...great job. But it won't happen, would be TOO obnoxious and implode your gd stupid reactionary party. Another word for conservative and RW, ignoramuses.
 
No, only 8% of you will go, and that is good riddance for the rest of the GOP.

Mainstream Republicans are willing to replace you with minorities and women and Hispanics who respond to our reach out programs.


I don't think so, Jake. People are sick and tired of Rs and Ds being the same thing. You know, one coin, two sides and all. It's time for a change back to smaller government and fiscal conservancy.

The social stuff should be put aside and fiscal sanity restored. Voting D or todays R (McCain, Boehner, et al) is only going to keep us in the mental ward.

The Dems beat us like an entire drum section last year, Zoom.

People are far more scared of our far right than they are of the far left.

ACA is not the battle to fight our war with: we will be beaten badly and injured for a long, long time. The reactionary right wing will be destroyed, yes, but the party, which is the hope for America (not the reactionary right), will be a long time rebuilding.
 
[MENTION=20412]JakeStarkey[/MENTION]: (you must have missed my question the first two times I posted it. ;))

[MENTION=20412]JakeStarkey[/MENTION]:

You are a failed reactionary of the far right, who along with those few who think like you will never have another chance of influence in the party.

You are what you are: a failed political reactionary.

Your immaturity is obvious, so move along.



He's for smaller federal govt; lower taxes; less govt intrusion into our lives; sensible foreign policy; sensible fiscal policy ... and you call that "failed political reactionary"??

They sound like just like things you would be for, Jake.

:confused:
 
If we keep deficit spending it needs to be. Else wise you can kiss your savings goodbye.

If that is what it takes to save the country from financial ruin (Detroit) then so be it. We cannot continue to spend more than we collect. Sooner or later the piper has to be paid.

You don't save a government from bankruptcy by causing it to go bankrupt. That's just retarded.

The country is going bankrupt, the only question is when. We cannot continue to spend 1 trillion more than we take in every year.

when does it end? how can it end without bankruptcy?

right now we are only paying interest on the debt, nothing on the principal. How long can that continue?
 
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zoom, you are not going to get a check list from me on comparison and contrast between Redfish and me.

Do your own reading, come to your own conclusion.

But ACA issue alone is enough to demonstrate the reactionary far right is wrong on using defunding the government as an option. The GOP can't win it in the House and Senate, and even if it did, the Dems would take the House next year because of it.
 

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