"Government" is Not the Problem.

[Slade3200]

"Government is not the problem"? The educated people in this country vehemently disagree with you...

Nancy Allamon said the couple literally can’t afford to get sick. After the passage of Obamacare, their health insurance deductible spiked to $5,000—money they don’t have. They also saw their monthly insurance payments rise.

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

 

[Slade3200]

"Government is not the problem"? The educated people in this country vehemently disagree with you...

Nancy Allamon said the couple literally can’t afford to get sick. After the passage of Obamacare, their health insurance deductible spiked to $5,000—money they don’t have. They also saw their monthly insurance payments rise.

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

You ignore how many many many more people it has harmed. People can't afford to use their healthcare any longer because their deductibles are $7000 per family member.

i don't know anybody that's been effected like that. Do you have stats to support your claims?

 

[P@triot]

"Government is not the problem"? The educated people in this country vehemently disagree with you...

Nancy Allamon said the couple literally can’t afford to get sick. After the passage of Obamacare, their health insurance deductible spiked to $5,000—money they don’t have. They also saw their monthly insurance payments rise.

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

And the 20 to 30 million who lost their coverage don't count? By the way - even if there was a net gain - at what cost?!? Aside from the many millions who lost their coverage, prices have skyrocketed for everyone.

Another 25 million Obamacare Victims

CBO Now Says 10 Mil Will Lose Employer Health Plans Under ObamaCare | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

 

[dblack]

"Government is not the problem"? The educated people in this country vehemently disagree with you...

Nancy Allamon said the couple literally can’t afford to get sick. After the passage of Obamacare, their health insurance deductible spiked to $5,000—money they don’t have. They also saw their monthly insurance payments rise.

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

Depends on what you think the goal was. If that goal was to give insurance companies more power over our lives, well - I guess it was a success. Some of us thought the efforts might have been more intelligently focused on tackling the policies driving health care inflation. If health care costs keep going up, it won't matter who is paying for it. None of us will be able to afford it.

 

[Slade3200]

"Government is not the problem"? The educated people in this country vehemently disagree with you...

Nancy Allamon said the couple literally can’t afford to get sick. After the passage of Obamacare, their health insurance deductible spiked to $5,000—money they don’t have. They also saw their monthly insurance payments rise.

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

And the 20 to 30 million who lost their coverage don't count? By the way - even if there was a net gain - at what cost?!? Aside from the many millions who lost their coverage, prices have skyrocketed for everyone.

Another 25 million Obamacare Victims

CBO Now Says 10 Mil Will Lose Employer Health Plans Under ObamaCare | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Yeah man, that does suck for people who got dropped by their employers... Costs went up for some people and small businesses and it had shitty effects. All things considered 17 million people who otherwise wouldn't of had insurance now have insurance. That is an incredible thing. I hope the tards in Washington can stop the pointless repeal talk and actually work together to bring costs down

 

[Slade3200]

"Government is not the problem"? The educated people in this country vehemently disagree with you...

Nancy Allamon said the couple literally can’t afford to get sick. After the passage of Obamacare, their health insurance deductible spiked to $5,000—money they don’t have. They also saw their monthly insurance payments rise.

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

Depends on what you think the goal was. If that goal was to give insurance companies more power over our lives, well - I guess it was a success. Some of us thought the efforts might have been more intelligently focused on tackling the policies driving health care inflation. If health care costs keep going up, it won't matter who is paying for it. None of us will be able to afford it.

Agreed... The goal was to get more people insured and they've done it. Tackling healthcare costs should absolutely be a major area of focus moving forward

 

[dblack]

"Government is not the problem"? The educated people in this country vehemently disagree with you...

Nancy Allamon said the couple literally can’t afford to get sick. After the passage of Obamacare, their health insurance deductible spiked to $5,000—money they don’t have. They also saw their monthly insurance payments rise.

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

Depends on what you think the goal was. If that goal was to give insurance companies more power over our lives, well - I guess it was a success. Some of us thought the efforts might have been more intelligently focused on tackling the policies driving health care inflation. If health care costs keep going up, it won't matter who is paying for it. None of us will be able to afford it.

Agreed... The goal was to get more people insured and they've done it. Tackling healthcare costs should absolutely be a major area of focus moving forward

And that was bad goal. The goal should have been to get more people health care. Instead we just served the interests of the insurance industry.

 

[dblack]

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

Depends on what you think the goal was. If that goal was to give insurance companies more power over our lives, well - I guess it was a success. Some of us thought the efforts might have been more intelligently focused on tackling the policies driving health care inflation. If health care costs keep going up, it won't matter who is paying for it. None of us will be able to afford it.

Agreed... The goal was to get more people insured and they've done it. Tackling healthcare costs should absolutely be a major area of focus moving forward

And that was bad goal. The goal should have been to get more people health care. Instead we just served the interests of the insurance industry.

We have, stupidly, bought into the idea that the key to affordable health care is insurance. It isn't. Insurance doesn't make services cheaper, it makes them more expensive. Insurance is for the relatively rare circumstances where we can't afford what we need. And it only works as long as those circumstances remain rare. If most people can't afford the health care they need most of the time, we need to pull the rip cord and start over. Insurance is killing us.

 

[kaz]

The guns in your house are there because you have permission to have them from the government.

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Ah, you like being a slave, do you?

 

[Slade3200]

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

Depends on what you think the goal was. If that goal was to give insurance companies more power over our lives, well - I guess it was a success. Some of us thought the efforts might have been more intelligently focused on tackling the policies driving health care inflation. If health care costs keep going up, it won't matter who is paying for it. None of us will be able to afford it.

Agreed... The goal was to get more people insured and they've done it. Tackling healthcare costs should absolutely be a major area of focus moving forward

And that was bad goal. The goal should have been to get more people health care. Instead we just served the interests of the insurance industry.

Are you talking about socialized medicine?

 

[dblack]

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

Depends on what you think the goal was. If that goal was to give insurance companies more power over our lives, well - I guess it was a success. Some of us thought the efforts might have been more intelligently focused on tackling the policies driving health care inflation. If health care costs keep going up, it won't matter who is paying for it. None of us will be able to afford it.

Agreed... The goal was to get more people insured and they've done it. Tackling healthcare costs should absolutely be a major area of focus moving forward

And that was bad goal. The goal should have been to get more people health care. Instead we just served the interests of the insurance industry.

Are you talking about socialized medicine?

Nope. Though it would be better than ACA - which is essentially the worst of capitalism combined with the worst of socialism. What I'm saying is that ACA is essentially an insurance agent's sales pitch cemented into legal mandates.

 

[Slade3200]

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

Depends on what you think the goal was. If that goal was to give insurance companies more power over our lives, well - I guess it was a success. Some of us thought the efforts might have been more intelligently focused on tackling the policies driving health care inflation. If health care costs keep going up, it won't matter who is paying for it. None of us will be able to afford it.

Agreed... The goal was to get more people insured and they've done it. Tackling healthcare costs should absolutely be a major area of focus moving forward

And that was bad goal. The goal should have been to get more people health care. Instead we just served the interests of the insurance industry.

Are you talking about socialized medicine?

Nope. Though it would be better than ACA - which is essentially the worst of capitalism combined with the worst of socialism. What I'm saying is that ACA is essentially an insurance agent's sales pitch cemented into legal mandates.

What kind of solution are you talking about?

 

[dblack]

Depends on what you think the goal was. If that goal was to give insurance companies more power over our lives, well - I guess it was a success. Some of us thought the efforts might have been more intelligently focused on tackling the policies driving health care inflation. If health care costs keep going up, it won't matter who is paying for it. None of us will be able to afford it.

Agreed... The goal was to get more people insured and they've done it. Tackling healthcare costs should absolutely be a major area of focus moving forward

And that was bad goal. The goal should have been to get more people health care. Instead we just served the interests of the insurance industry.

Are you talking about socialized medicine?

Nope. Though it would be better than ACA - which is essentially the worst of capitalism combined with the worst of socialism. What I'm saying is that ACA is essentially an insurance agent's sales pitch cemented into legal mandates.

What kind of solution are you talking about?

I'm not sure what you're question means. I'm talking about ACA. Are you asking what solution I would prefer?

 

[Slade3200]

Agreed... The goal was to get more people insured and they've done it. Tackling healthcare costs should absolutely be a major area of focus moving forward

And that was bad goal. The goal should have been to get more people health care. Instead we just served the interests of the insurance industry.

Are you talking about socialized medicine?

Nope. Though it would be better than ACA - which is essentially the worst of capitalism combined with the worst of socialism. What I'm saying is that ACA is essentially an insurance agent's sales pitch cemented into legal mandates.

What kind of solution are you talking about?

I'm not sure what you're question means. I'm talking about ACA. Are you asking what solution I would prefer?

yes, how do you make your ideas work?

 

[dblack]

And that was bad goal. The goal should have been to get more people health care. Instead we just served the interests of the insurance industry.

Are you talking about socialized medicine?

Nope. Though it would be better than ACA - which is essentially the worst of capitalism combined with the worst of socialism. What I'm saying is that ACA is essentially an insurance agent's sales pitch cemented into legal mandates.

What kind of solution are you talking about?

I'm not sure what you're question means. I'm talking about ACA. Are you asking what solution I would prefer?

yes, how do you make your ideas work?

We first need to reverse the policies that have promoted over-insurance and health care inflation. Get rid of the tax incentives and regulatory policies that push us in that direction. Then address the regulatory regime that has inflated health care and drug prices. We need to recognize that not everyone can afford the 'best health care available', and we need to legalize it's alternatives.

Liberals have succumbed to the weird delusion that we can make poverty go away by legal mandate. That we can prevent people from working low-wage jobs, eating low-quality food or utilizing low-quality health care by making them illegal. Doing that only deprives poor people of the (low-quality) things that they need. It puts them in the position of begging government, or employers, or insurance companies, or some unholy alliance of the three, for the crumbs they need to survive.

 

[westwall]

"Government is not the problem"? The educated people in this country vehemently disagree with you...

Nancy Allamon said the couple literally can’t afford to get sick. After the passage of Obamacare, their health insurance deductible spiked to $5,000—money they don’t have. They also saw their monthly insurance payments rise.

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

And the 20 to 30 million who lost their coverage don't count? By the way - even if there was a net gain - at what cost?!? Aside from the many millions who lost their coverage, prices have skyrocketed for everyone.

Another 25 million Obamacare Victims

CBO Now Says 10 Mil Will Lose Employer Health Plans Under ObamaCare | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Yeah man, that does suck for people who got dropped by their employers... Costs went up for some people and small businesses and it had shitty effects. All things considered 17 million people who otherwise wouldn't of had insurance now have insurance. That is an incredible thing. I hope the tards in Washington can stop the pointless repeal talk and actually work together to bring costs down

Yes, they have "insurance" that they can't afford to use. The deductibles are more than they can afford to pay so they still are using the ER's which the ACA was supposed to relieve. Further, because the doctor payments are so bad most doctors in this area won't accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. Thus, in ALL of Northern Nevada there is a single dentist who will accept those patients. Care to guess how long the waits are?

And, they are a corporation that pay their dentists shit wages so how good do you think their work is going to be? The problem with the ACA is we don't even know how bad it is going to get. Insurance? Uh, yeah, OK. They have it. It's worthless, but they "have it".

 

[Slade3200]

Are you talking about socialized medicine?

Nope. Though it would be better than ACA - which is essentially the worst of capitalism combined with the worst of socialism. What I'm saying is that ACA is essentially an insurance agent's sales pitch cemented into legal mandates.

What kind of solution are you talking about?

I'm not sure what you're question means. I'm talking about ACA. Are you asking what solution I would prefer?

yes, how do you make your ideas work?

We first need to reverse the policies that have promoted over-insurance and health care inflation. Get rid of the tax incentives and regulatory policies that push us in that direction. Then address the regulatory regime that has inflated health care and drug prices. We need to recognize that not everyone can afford the 'best health care available', and we need to legalize it's alternatives.

Liberals have succumbed to the weird delusion that we can make poverty go away by legal mandate. That we can prevent people from working low-wage jobs, eating low-quality food or utilizing low-quality health care by making them illegal. Doing that only deprives poor people of the (low-quality) things that they need. It puts them in the position of begging government, or employers, or insurance companies, or some unholy alliance of the three, for the crumbs they need to survive.

Surely you would support setting reasonable standards in our healthcare and commerce markets, right? There is no reason for our country to have third world style businesses and hospitals... Can we at least agree on that? Then the discussion becomes which regulations are unnecessary and which are essential.

I'm the end I don't see how simply deregulating healthcare is going to bring down the prices. There needs to be something more.

Is there another country that uses a healthcare model that you feel has been effective and along the lines of something you'd support?

 

[Slade3200]

Educated people fall on both sides of the issue. And despite the many issues with Obamacare you seem to conveniently ignore the many many many people that it has help get insured. How about we work to make it better and cheaper and stop the distorting partisan attacks and ridiculous calls to "tear it to shreds" Yall can be smarter than that... I hope.

How about we restore Constitutional government and completley get rid of Obamacare? Certainly you're smart enough to realize that it's not only illegal - but that it has been a spectacular failure.

17 million more people now have insurance... No I don't think that's a spectacular failure.

And the 20 to 30 million who lost their coverage don't count? By the way - even if there was a net gain - at what cost?!? Aside from the many millions who lost their coverage, prices have skyrocketed for everyone.

Another 25 million Obamacare Victims

CBO Now Says 10 Mil Will Lose Employer Health Plans Under ObamaCare | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

2 Ohio Counties, Red and Blue, Ready for Obama Era’s End

Yeah man, that does suck for people who got dropped by their employers... Costs went up for some people and small businesses and it had shitty effects. All things considered 17 million people who otherwise wouldn't of had insurance now have insurance. That is an incredible thing. I hope the tards in Washington can stop the pointless repeal talk and actually work together to bring costs down

Yes, they have "insurance" that they can't afford to use. The deductibles are more than they can afford to pay so they still are using the ER's which the ACA was supposed to relieve. Further, because the doctor payments are so bad most doctors in this area won't accept Medicare and Medicaid patients. Thus, in ALL of Northern Nevada there is a single dentist who will accept those patients. Care to guess how long the waits are?

And, they are a corporation that pay their dentists shit wages so how good do you think their work is going to be? The problem with the ACA is we don't even know how bad it is going to get. Insurance? Uh, yeah, OK. They have it. It's worthless, but they "have it".

All valid issues that need to be addressed. But this does not apply to everybody, and the 17 million that are now insured are also now provided with funding for catastrophic events that would have rolled over to the tax payers for the Taxpayers in the past. So one major problem has improved and several smaller ones have arisen... My point is we should be addressing these problems and not blubbering about scrapping the whole program. Talk about taking a major step back

 

[P@triot]

Yeah man, that does suck for people who got dropped by their employers... Costs went up for some people and small businesses and it had shitty effects. All things considered 17 million people who otherwise wouldn't of had insurance now have insurance. That is an incredible thing. I hope the tards in Washington can stop the pointless repeal talk and actually work together to bring costs down

You know how you do that? By repealing the unconstitutional, highly illegal nonsense, and let the free market handle it. You know what actually drives down prices? Competition. That's a fact.

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah man, that does suck for people who got dropped by their employers... Costs went up for some people and small businesses and it had shitty effects. All things considered 17 million people who otherwise wouldn't of had insurance now have insurance. That is an incredible thing. I hope the tards in Washington can stop the pointless repeal talk and actually work together to bring costs down

You know how you do that? By repealing the unconstitutional, highly illegal nonsense, and let the free market handle it. You know what actually drives down prices? Competition. That's a fact.

Agreed on the competition point. Repealing is idiotic, and would only cause more problems.