Gun Control? Lesson Learned

Because of all the not normal people who prey on the normal people......if you made all guns disapear, like in Britain....you would have 2 x the level of violence here, probably even more...since the victims there can't stop the younger, stronger attackers.....and even in Britain their criminals get guns easily...as I keep posting about...
Since the criminals can easily get guns, as you say, you have a gun and they have a gun but they are younger and stronger and more aggressive and maybe on drugs and that would be the end of your advantage right? You only have the upper hand if you have a gun and they don't, correct?


"Since the criminals can easily get guns,...."

And since maniacs like Barack Hussein Obama make it easy for outlaw states like Iran to get nuclear bombs...and missiles with which to deliver them.....

....That's real violence.
Outlaw states? Who made you queen of arms control?

If we have arms for protection shouldn't they as well?


I accept "Queen of Many Venues"....but will be pleased to accept 'Queen of Arms Control' as well.

As for my qualifications in that area?
Common sense.
Common sense is to say my nation is worthy of nuclear weapons but you are not? Doesn't Iran feel the very same way? After all, we are the only nation to ever use them as weapons of terror. That's hypocrisy, of a nuclear order...



No, you dolt.
Common sense is to deny any nation that threatens to wipe another our access to nuclear weapons.....

....exactly what the supreme liar, Barack Hussein Obama, (the most merciful) promised.



Here are some of his statements on the subject, going back to his first campaign for the presidency:


June 5, 2008, in Cairo: "I will continue to be clear on the fact that an Iranian nuclear weapon would be profoundly destabilizing for the entire region.It is strongly in America's interest to prevent such a scenario."


June 8, 2008, to AIPAC: "The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat.... Finally, let there be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel."


October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table,"


November 7, 2008, press conference: "Iran's development of a nuclear weapon, I believe, is unacceptable. And we have to mount an international effort to prevent that from happening."


February 27, 2009, speech at Camp Lejeune: "(W)e are focusing on al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing a strategy to use all elements of American power to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon; and actively seeking a lasting peace between Israel and the Arab world."


January 27, 2010, State of the Union address: "And as Iran's leaders continue to ignore their obligations, there should be no doubt: They, too, will face growing consequences. That is a promise."


July 1, /2010, at the signing of the Iran Sanctions Act: "There should be no doubt -- the United States and the international community are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."


May 19, 2011, speech on the Middle East: "Now, our opposition to Iran's intolerance and Iran's repressive measures, as well as its illicit nuclear program and its support of terror, is well known."


May 22, 2011, in an address to AIPAC: "You also see our commitment to our shared security in our determination to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.... So let me be absolutely clear -- we remain committed to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."


October 13,2011, press conference after meeting with South Korean president:"Now, we don't take any options off the table in terms of how we operate with Iran."


November 14, 2011, press conference: "So what I did was to speak with President Medvedev, as well as President Hu, and all three of us entirely agree on the objective, which is making sure that Iran does not weaponize nuclear power and that we don't trigger a nuclear arms race in the region. That's in the interests of all of us... I have said repeatedly and I will say it today, we are not taking any options off the table, because it's my firm belief that an Iran with a nuclear weapon would pose a security threat not only to the region but also to the United States."


December 8, 2011, press conference: (In response to question about pressuring Iran): "No options off the table means I'm considering all options."


December 16, 2011, speech to the General Assembly of the Union for Reform Judaism: "Another grave concern -- and a threat to the security of Israel, the United States and the world -- is Iran's nuclear program. And that's why our policy has been absolutely clear: We are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons...and that's why, rest assured, we will take no options off the table. We have been clear."


January 24, 2012, State of the Union address: "Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal."


March 2, 2012, interview with Goldblog: "I... don't, as a matter of sound policy, go around advertising exactly what our intentions are. But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say."


March 4, 2012, speech to AIPAC: "I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say That includes all elements of American power: A political effort aimed at isolating Iran; a diplomatic effort to sustain our coalition and ensure that the Iranian program is monitored; an economic effort that imposes crippling sanctions; and, yes, a military effort to be prepared for any contingency."


March 5, 2012, remarks after meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu: "... I reserve all options, and my policy here is not going to be one of containment. My policy is prevention of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. And as I indicated yesterday in my speech, when I say all options are at the table, I mean it."


March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.


March 14, 2012, remarks after meeting with David Cameron: "...And as I said in a speech just a couple of weeks ago, I am determined not simply to contain Iran that is in possession of a nuclear weapon; I am determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon -- in part for the reasons that David mentioned... We will do everything we can to resolve this diplomatically, but ultimately, we've got to have somebody on the other side of the table who's taking this seriously."http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...bc1fce-071d-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_print.html


September 25, 2012, speech to the United Nations General Assembly: "Make no mistake: A nuclear-armed Iran is not a challenge that can be contained...the United States will do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon."

Obama's Crystal-Clear Promise to Stop Iran From Getting a Nuclear Weapon
 
Funny thing, all the gun nuts here want gun control (like nuke control) for anyone but themselves. If they have a gun, we should have a gun applies, only as long as they have a gun. If they have the gun and it's the other guy, nope, you can't have one...
 
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Your premise is not true, factual or based in reality.
Oh, but it is:
Gundeaths.png


Yeah...not quite getting that graphic........our criminals...who commit 90% of our gun murder, murder each other more often...that has nothing to do with access to guns....criminals in France, Britain, Japan, get guns easily...they just don't pull the trigger and commit murder as often.......

Do you realize that gun crime in Britain.....which confiscated guns...is up 4%... And that gun crime in Australia is also up.....their criminals are starting to shoot more...in countries that confiscated gums...
 
Since the criminals can easily get guns, as you say, you have a gun and they have a gun but they are younger and stronger and more aggressive and maybe on drugs and that would be the end of your advantage right? You only have the upper hand if you have a gun and they don't, correct?


"Since the criminals can easily get guns,...."

And since maniacs like Barack Hussein Obama make it easy for outlaw states like Iran to get nuclear bombs...and missiles with which to deliver them.....

....That's real violence.
Outlaw states? Who made you queen of arms control?

If we have arms for protection shouldn't they as well?


I accept "Queen of Many Venues"....but will be pleased to accept 'Queen of Arms Control' as well.

As for my qualifications in that area?
Common sense.
Common sense is to say my nation is worthy of nuclear weapons but you are not? Doesn't Iran feel the very same way? After all, we are the only nation to ever use them as weapons of terror. That's hypocrisy, of a nuclear order...



No, you dolt.
Common sense is to deny any nation that threatens to wipe another our access to nuclear weapons.....

....exactly what the supreme liar, Barack Hussein Obama, (the most merciful) promised.



Here are some of his statements on the subject, going back to his first campaign for the presidency:


June 5, 2008, in Cairo: "I will continue to be clear on the fact that an Iranian nuclear weapon would be profoundly destabilizing for the entire region.It is strongly in America's interest to prevent such a scenario."


June 8, 2008, to AIPAC: "The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat.... Finally, let there be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel."


October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table,"


November 7, 2008, press conference: "Iran's development of a nuclear weapon, I believe, is unacceptable. And we have to mount an international effort to prevent that from happening."


February 27, 2009, speech at Camp Lejeune: "(W)e are focusing on al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing a strategy to use all elements of American power to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon; and actively seeking a lasting peace between Israel and the Arab world."


January 27, 2010, State of the Union address: "And as Iran's leaders continue to ignore their obligations, there should be no doubt: They, too, will face growing consequences. That is a promise."


July 1, /2010, at the signing of the Iran Sanctions Act: "There should be no doubt -- the United States and the international community are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."


May 19, 2011, speech on the Middle East: "Now, our opposition to Iran's intolerance and Iran's repressive measures, as well as its illicit nuclear program and its support of terror, is well known."


May 22, 2011, in an address to AIPAC: "You also see our commitment to our shared security in our determination to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.... So let me be absolutely clear -- we remain committed to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."


October 13,2011, press conference after meeting with South Korean president:"Now, we don't take any options off the table in terms of how we operate with Iran."


November 14, 2011, press conference: "So what I did was to speak with President Medvedev, as well as President Hu, and all three of us entirely agree on the objective, which is making sure that Iran does not weaponize nuclear power and that we don't trigger a nuclear arms race in the region. That's in the interests of all of us... I have said repeatedly and I will say it today, we are not taking any options off the table, because it's my firm belief that an Iran with a nuclear weapon would pose a security threat not only to the region but also to the United States."


December 8, 2011, press conference: (In response to question about pressuring Iran): "No options off the table means I'm considering all options."


December 16, 2011, speech to the General Assembly of the Union for Reform Judaism: "Another grave concern -- and a threat to the security of Israel, the United States and the world -- is Iran's nuclear program. And that's why our policy has been absolutely clear: We are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons...and that's why, rest assured, we will take no options off the table. We have been clear."


January 24, 2012, State of the Union address: "Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal."


March 2, 2012, interview with Goldblog: "I... don't, as a matter of sound policy, go around advertising exactly what our intentions are. But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say."


March 4, 2012, speech to AIPAC: "I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say That includes all elements of American power: A political effort aimed at isolating Iran; a diplomatic effort to sustain our coalition and ensure that the Iranian program is monitored; an economic effort that imposes crippling sanctions; and, yes, a military effort to be prepared for any contingency."


March 5, 2012, remarks after meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu: "... I reserve all options, and my policy here is not going to be one of containment. My policy is prevention of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. And as I indicated yesterday in my speech, when I say all options are at the table, I mean it."


March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.


March 14, 2012, remarks after meeting with David Cameron: "...And as I said in a speech just a couple of weeks ago, I am determined not simply to contain Iran that is in possession of a nuclear weapon; I am determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon -- in part for the reasons that David mentioned... We will do everything we can to resolve this diplomatically, but ultimately, we've got to have somebody on the other side of the table who's taking this seriously."


September 25, 2012, speech to the United Nations General Assembly: "Make no mistake: A nuclear-armed Iran is not a challenge that can be contained...the United States will do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon."

Obama's Crystal-Clear Promise to Stop Iran From Getting a Nuclear Weapon
I disagree with Obama, and agree with your logic. If they have a gun, you need a gun, if you have a nuke, they need a nuke. Fair is fair, correct?

Just because your neighbor is a big scary guy, does that mean he shouldn't be allowed to own what you do? Who decides that, you? And how very convenient, for you that is...
 
Your premise is not true, factual or based in reality.
Oh, but it is:
Gundeaths.png


Yeah...not quite getting that graphic........our criminals...who commit 90% of our gun murder, murder each other more often...that has nothing to do with access to guns....criminals in France, Britain, Japan, get guns easily...they just don't pull the trigger and commit murder as often.......

Do you realize that gun crime in Britain.....which confiscated guns...is up 4%... And that gun crime in Australia is also up.....their criminals are starting to shoot more...in countries that confiscated gums...
The chart says, solid gun control, few gun deaths.
 
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No...you are implying that all people who use a gun for a crime were law abiding just before they used the gun...and that is not true or accurate. Those who use guns to commit crime, as actual research shows, are majority criminals with long histories of crime and violence.

That should make people wonder why the gun nuts feel it's so important to keep the loopholes open in the background check laws.


There are no loopholes.

You lie. You can make private sales without background checks.
 
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No...you are implying that all people who use a gun for a crime were law abiding just before they used the gun...and that is not true or accurate. Those who use guns to commit crime, as actual research shows, are majority criminals with long histories of crime and violence.

That should make people wonder why the gun nuts feel it's so important to keep the loopholes open in the background check laws.


Criminals don't get background checks...they get their guns illegally and just ignore background check laws.....

So what. People ignore the speed limit. Is that an argument for not having speed limit laws?
 
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No...you are implying that all people who use a gun for a crime were law abiding just before they used the gun...and that is not true or accurate. Those who use guns to commit crime, as actual research shows, are majority criminals with long histories of crime and violence.

That should make people wonder why the gun nuts feel it's so important to keep the loopholes open in the background check laws.


Criminals don't get background checks...they get their guns illegally and just ignore background check laws.....

So what. People ignore the speed limit. Is that an argument for not having speed limit laws?


Again with that same stupid point which you must think is clever...b cause you anti gun morons keep making it............


The speed limit doesn't stop them from speeding...it allows you to arrest them when they break it.

You morons believe that background checks will actually prevent the crime...like thinking a speed limit will stop a criminal from breaking it.....

Current gun laws work...w.hen you commit a crime you are arrested...if you use a gun illegally, you are arrested...if you own or carry a gun as a felon...you are arrested.....
 
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No...you are implying that all people who use a gun for a crime were law abiding just before they used the gun...and that is not true or accurate. Those who use guns to commit crime, as actual research shows, are majority criminals with long histories of crime and violence.

That should make people wonder why the gun nuts feel it's so important to keep the loopholes open in the background check laws.


There are no loopholes.

You lie. You can make private sales without background checks.


That is not a loophole. A loophole would allow gun stores to sell guns without background checks.....none of the laws,allow that...there is no loophole.
 
Your premise is not true, factual or based in reality.
Oh, but it is:
Gundeaths.png


Yeah...not quite getting that graphic........our criminals...who commit 90% of our gun murder, murder each other more often...that has nothing to do with access to guns....criminals in France, Britain, Japan, get guns easily...they just don't pull the trigger and commit murder as often.......

Do you realize that gun crime in Britain.....which confiscated guns...is up 4%... And that gun crime in Australia is also up.....their criminals are starting to shoot more...in countries that confiscated gums...
The chart says, solid gun control, few gun deaths.


Wrong...that isn't the complete chart...Mexico isn't on there is it? pUerto trick isn't on there...is it......Russia isn't on there..is it
..all countries with strict gun control and higher gun murder rates than we have....
 
"Since the criminals can easily get guns,...."

And since maniacs like Barack Hussein Obama make it easy for outlaw states like Iran to get nuclear bombs...and missiles with which to deliver them.....

....That's real violence.
Outlaw states? Who made you queen of arms control?

If we have arms for protection shouldn't they as well?


I accept "Queen of Many Venues"....but will be pleased to accept 'Queen of Arms Control' as well.

As for my qualifications in that area?
Common sense.
Common sense is to say my nation is worthy of nuclear weapons but you are not? Doesn't Iran feel the very same way? After all, we are the only nation to ever use them as weapons of terror. That's hypocrisy, of a nuclear order...



No, you dolt.
Common sense is to deny any nation that threatens to wipe another our access to nuclear weapons.....

....exactly what the supreme liar, Barack Hussein Obama, (the most merciful) promised.



Here are some of his statements on the subject, going back to his first campaign for the presidency:


June 5, 2008, in Cairo: "I will continue to be clear on the fact that an Iranian nuclear weapon would be profoundly destabilizing for the entire region.It is strongly in America's interest to prevent such a scenario."


June 8, 2008, to AIPAC: "The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat.... Finally, let there be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel."


October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table,"


November 7, 2008, press conference: "Iran's development of a nuclear weapon, I believe, is unacceptable. And we have to mount an international effort to prevent that from happening."


February 27, 2009, speech at Camp Lejeune: "(W)e are focusing on al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing a strategy to use all elements of American power to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon; and actively seeking a lasting peace between Israel and the Arab world."


January 27, 2010, State of the Union address: "And as Iran's leaders continue to ignore their obligations, there should be no doubt: They, too, will face growing consequences. That is a promise."


July 1, /2010, at the signing of the Iran Sanctions Act: "There should be no doubt -- the United States and the international community are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."


May 19, 2011, speech on the Middle East: "Now, our opposition to Iran's intolerance and Iran's repressive measures, as well as its illicit nuclear program and its support of terror, is well known."


May 22, 2011, in an address to AIPAC: "You also see our commitment to our shared security in our determination to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.... So let me be absolutely clear -- we remain committed to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."


October 13,2011, press conference after meeting with South Korean president:"Now, we don't take any options off the table in terms of how we operate with Iran."


November 14, 2011, press conference: "So what I did was to speak with President Medvedev, as well as President Hu, and all three of us entirely agree on the objective, which is making sure that Iran does not weaponize nuclear power and that we don't trigger a nuclear arms race in the region. That's in the interests of all of us... I have said repeatedly and I will say it today, we are not taking any options off the table, because it's my firm belief that an Iran with a nuclear weapon would pose a security threat not only to the region but also to the United States."


December 8, 2011, press conference: (In response to question about pressuring Iran): "No options off the table means I'm considering all options."


December 16, 2011, speech to the General Assembly of the Union for Reform Judaism: "Another grave concern -- and a threat to the security of Israel, the United States and the world -- is Iran's nuclear program. And that's why our policy has been absolutely clear: We are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons...and that's why, rest assured, we will take no options off the table. We have been clear."


January 24, 2012, State of the Union address: "Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal."


March 2, 2012, interview with Goldblog: "I... don't, as a matter of sound policy, go around advertising exactly what our intentions are. But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say."


March 4, 2012, speech to AIPAC: "I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say That includes all elements of American power: A political effort aimed at isolating Iran; a diplomatic effort to sustain our coalition and ensure that the Iranian program is monitored; an economic effort that imposes crippling sanctions; and, yes, a military effort to be prepared for any contingency."


March 5, 2012, remarks after meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu: "... I reserve all options, and my policy here is not going to be one of containment. My policy is prevention of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. And as I indicated yesterday in my speech, when I say all options are at the table, I mean it."


March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.


March 14, 2012, remarks after meeting with David Cameron: "...And as I said in a speech just a couple of weeks ago, I am determined not simply to contain Iran that is in possession of a nuclear weapon; I am determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon -- in part for the reasons that David mentioned... We will do everything we can to resolve this diplomatically, but ultimately, we've got to have somebody on the other side of the table who's taking this seriously."


September 25, 2012, speech to the United Nations General Assembly: "Make no mistake: A nuclear-armed Iran is not a challenge that can be contained...the United States will do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon."

Obama's Crystal-Clear Promise to Stop Iran From Getting a Nuclear Weapon
I disagree with Obama, and agree with your logic. If they have a gun, you need a gun, if you have a nuke, they need a nuke. Fair is fair, correct?

Just because your neighbor is a big scary guy, does that mean he shouldn't be allowed to own what you do? Who decides that, you? And how very convenient, for you that is...



State Sponsors of Terrorism




Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism are designated pursuant to three laws: section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act, section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act. Taken together, the four main categories of sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

Designation under the above-referenced authorities also implicates other sanctions laws that penalize persons and countries engaging in certain trade with state sponsors. Currently there are three countries designated under these authorities: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.

Country Designation Date
Iran January 19, 1984
Sudan August 12, 1993
Syria December 29, 1979
State Sponsors of Terrorism

For clarity....are you in favor of nuclear weapons in the hands of any of these three?
 
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No...you are implying that all people who use a gun for a crime were law abiding just before they used the gun...and that is not true or accurate. Those who use guns to commit crime, as actual research shows, are majority criminals with long histories of crime and violence.

That should make people wonder why the gun nuts feel it's so important to keep the loopholes open in the background check laws.


Criminals don't get background checks...they get their guns illegally and just ignore background check laws.....

So what. People ignore the speed limit. Is that an argument for not having speed limit laws?


Again with that same stupid point which you must think is clever...b cause you anti gun morons keep making it............


The speed limit doesn't stop them from speeding...it allows you to arrest them when they break it.

You morons believe that background checks will actually prevent the crime...like thinking a speed limit will stop a criminal from breaking it.....

Current gun laws work...w.hen you commit a crime you are arrested...if you use a gun illegally, you are arrested...if you own or carry a gun as a felon...you are arrested.....

Do you ignore the speed limit?
 
Outlaw states? Who made you queen of arms control?

If we have arms for protection shouldn't they as well?


I accept "Queen of Many Venues"....but will be pleased to accept 'Queen of Arms Control' as well.

As for my qualifications in that area?
Common sense.
Common sense is to say my nation is worthy of nuclear weapons but you are not? Doesn't Iran feel the very same way? After all, we are the only nation to ever use them as weapons of terror. That's hypocrisy, of a nuclear order...



No, you dolt.
Common sense is to deny any nation that threatens to wipe another our access to nuclear weapons.....

....exactly what the supreme liar, Barack Hussein Obama, (the most merciful) promised.



Here are some of his statements on the subject, going back to his first campaign for the presidency:


June 5, 2008, in Cairo: "I will continue to be clear on the fact that an Iranian nuclear weapon would be profoundly destabilizing for the entire region.It is strongly in America's interest to prevent such a scenario."


June 8, 2008, to AIPAC: "The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat.... Finally, let there be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel."


October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table,"


November 7, 2008, press conference: "Iran's development of a nuclear weapon, I believe, is unacceptable. And we have to mount an international effort to prevent that from happening."


February 27, 2009, speech at Camp Lejeune: "(W)e are focusing on al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing a strategy to use all elements of American power to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon; and actively seeking a lasting peace between Israel and the Arab world."


January 27, 2010, State of the Union address: "And as Iran's leaders continue to ignore their obligations, there should be no doubt: They, too, will face growing consequences. That is a promise."


July 1, /2010, at the signing of the Iran Sanctions Act: "There should be no doubt -- the United States and the international community are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."


May 19, 2011, speech on the Middle East: "Now, our opposition to Iran's intolerance and Iran's repressive measures, as well as its illicit nuclear program and its support of terror, is well known."


May 22, 2011, in an address to AIPAC: "You also see our commitment to our shared security in our determination to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.... So let me be absolutely clear -- we remain committed to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."


October 13,2011, press conference after meeting with South Korean president:"Now, we don't take any options off the table in terms of how we operate with Iran."


November 14, 2011, press conference: "So what I did was to speak with President Medvedev, as well as President Hu, and all three of us entirely agree on the objective, which is making sure that Iran does not weaponize nuclear power and that we don't trigger a nuclear arms race in the region. That's in the interests of all of us... I have said repeatedly and I will say it today, we are not taking any options off the table, because it's my firm belief that an Iran with a nuclear weapon would pose a security threat not only to the region but also to the United States."


December 8, 2011, press conference: (In response to question about pressuring Iran): "No options off the table means I'm considering all options."


December 16, 2011, speech to the General Assembly of the Union for Reform Judaism: "Another grave concern -- and a threat to the security of Israel, the United States and the world -- is Iran's nuclear program. And that's why our policy has been absolutely clear: We are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons...and that's why, rest assured, we will take no options off the table. We have been clear."


January 24, 2012, State of the Union address: "Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal."


March 2, 2012, interview with Goldblog: "I... don't, as a matter of sound policy, go around advertising exactly what our intentions are. But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say."


March 4, 2012, speech to AIPAC: "I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say That includes all elements of American power: A political effort aimed at isolating Iran; a diplomatic effort to sustain our coalition and ensure that the Iranian program is monitored; an economic effort that imposes crippling sanctions; and, yes, a military effort to be prepared for any contingency."


March 5, 2012, remarks after meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu: "... I reserve all options, and my policy here is not going to be one of containment. My policy is prevention of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. And as I indicated yesterday in my speech, when I say all options are at the table, I mean it."


March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.


March 14, 2012, remarks after meeting with David Cameron: "...And as I said in a speech just a couple of weeks ago, I am determined not simply to contain Iran that is in possession of a nuclear weapon; I am determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon -- in part for the reasons that David mentioned... We will do everything we can to resolve this diplomatically, but ultimately, we've got to have somebody on the other side of the table who's taking this seriously."


September 25, 2012, speech to the United Nations General Assembly: "Make no mistake: A nuclear-armed Iran is not a challenge that can be contained...the United States will do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon."

Obama's Crystal-Clear Promise to Stop Iran From Getting a Nuclear Weapon
I disagree with Obama, and agree with your logic. If they have a gun, you need a gun, if you have a nuke, they need a nuke. Fair is fair, correct?

Just because your neighbor is a big scary guy, does that mean he shouldn't be allowed to own what you do? Who decides that, you? And how very convenient, for you that is...



State Sponsors of Terrorism




Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism are designated pursuant to three laws: section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act, section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act. Taken together, the four main categories of sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

Designation under the above-referenced authorities also implicates other sanctions laws that penalize persons and countries engaging in certain trade with state sponsors. Currently there are three countries designated under these authorities: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.

Country Designation Date
Iran January 19, 1984
Sudan August 12, 1993
Syria December 29, 1979
State Sponsors of Terrorism

For clarity....are you in favor of nuclear weapons in the hands of any of these three?

Israel has nukes. Why don't you object that?
 
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No...you are implying that all people who use a gun for a crime were law abiding just before they used the gun...and that is not true or accurate. Those who use guns to commit crime, as actual research shows, are majority criminals with long histories of crime and violence.

That should make people wonder why the gun nuts feel it's so important to keep the loopholes open in the background check laws.


There are no loopholes.

You lie. You can make private sales without background checks.


That is not a loophole. A loophole would allow gun stores to sell guns without background checks.....none of the laws,allow that...there is no loophole.

You're retarded. A loophole is anywhere you can legally buy a gun without a background check.

Goddam where do you people go to school?
 
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No...you are implying that all people who use a gun for a crime were law abiding just before they used the gun...and that is not true or accurate. Those who use guns to commit crime, as actual research shows, are majority criminals with long histories of crime and violence.

That should make people wonder why the gun nuts feel it's so important to keep the loopholes open in the background check laws.


Criminals don't get background checks...they get their guns illegally and just ignore background check laws.....

So what. People ignore the speed limit. Is that an argument for not having speed limit laws?


Again with that same stupid point which you must think is clever...b cause you anti gun morons keep making it............


The speed limit doesn't stop them from speeding...it allows you to arrest them when they break it.

You morons believe that background checks will actually prevent the crime...like thinking a speed limit will stop a criminal from breaking it.....

Current gun laws work...w.hen you commit a crime you are arrested...if you use a gun illegally, you are arrested...if you own or carry a gun as a felon...you are arrested.....

So you support ending background checks altogether.
 
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No...you are implying that all people who use a gun for a crime were law abiding just before they used the gun...and that is not true or accurate. Those who use guns to commit crime, as actual research shows, are majority criminals with long histories of crime and violence.

That should make people wonder why the gun nuts feel it's so important to keep the loopholes open in the background check laws.


Criminals don't get background checks...they get their guns illegally and just ignore background check laws.....

So what. People ignore the speed limit. Is that an argument for not having speed limit laws?


Again with that same stupid point which you must think is clever...b cause you anti gun morons keep making it............


The speed limit doesn't stop them from speeding...it allows you to arrest them when they break it.

You morons believe that background checks will actually prevent the crime...like thinking a speed limit will stop a criminal from breaking it.....

Current gun laws work...w.hen you commit a crime you are arrested...if you use a gun illegally, you are arrested...if you own or carry a gun as a felon...you are arrested.....
Let's see, you don't want criminals (or crazy people) to have guns, but you haven't told us how the government is supposed to figure that out? Do they use one of these?
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Outlaw states? Who made you queen of arms control?

If we have arms for protection shouldn't they as well?


I accept "Queen of Many Venues"....but will be pleased to accept 'Queen of Arms Control' as well.

As for my qualifications in that area?
Common sense.
Common sense is to say my nation is worthy of nuclear weapons but you are not? Doesn't Iran feel the very same way? After all, we are the only nation to ever use them as weapons of terror. That's hypocrisy, of a nuclear order...



No, you dolt.
Common sense is to deny any nation that threatens to wipe another our access to nuclear weapons.....

....exactly what the supreme liar, Barack Hussein Obama, (the most merciful) promised.



Here are some of his statements on the subject, going back to his first campaign for the presidency:


June 5, 2008, in Cairo: "I will continue to be clear on the fact that an Iranian nuclear weapon would be profoundly destabilizing for the entire region.It is strongly in America's interest to prevent such a scenario."


June 8, 2008, to AIPAC: "The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat.... Finally, let there be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel."


October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table,"


November 7, 2008, press conference: "Iran's development of a nuclear weapon, I believe, is unacceptable. And we have to mount an international effort to prevent that from happening."


February 27, 2009, speech at Camp Lejeune: "(W)e are focusing on al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing a strategy to use all elements of American power to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon; and actively seeking a lasting peace between Israel and the Arab world."


January 27, 2010, State of the Union address: "And as Iran's leaders continue to ignore their obligations, there should be no doubt: They, too, will face growing consequences. That is a promise."


July 1, /2010, at the signing of the Iran Sanctions Act: "There should be no doubt -- the United States and the international community are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."


May 19, 2011, speech on the Middle East: "Now, our opposition to Iran's intolerance and Iran's repressive measures, as well as its illicit nuclear program and its support of terror, is well known."


May 22, 2011, in an address to AIPAC: "You also see our commitment to our shared security in our determination to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.... So let me be absolutely clear -- we remain committed to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons."


October 13,2011, press conference after meeting with South Korean president:"Now, we don't take any options off the table in terms of how we operate with Iran."


November 14, 2011, press conference: "So what I did was to speak with President Medvedev, as well as President Hu, and all three of us entirely agree on the objective, which is making sure that Iran does not weaponize nuclear power and that we don't trigger a nuclear arms race in the region. That's in the interests of all of us... I have said repeatedly and I will say it today, we are not taking any options off the table, because it's my firm belief that an Iran with a nuclear weapon would pose a security threat not only to the region but also to the United States."


December 8, 2011, press conference: (In response to question about pressuring Iran): "No options off the table means I'm considering all options."


December 16, 2011, speech to the General Assembly of the Union for Reform Judaism: "Another grave concern -- and a threat to the security of Israel, the United States and the world -- is Iran's nuclear program. And that's why our policy has been absolutely clear: We are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons...and that's why, rest assured, we will take no options off the table. We have been clear."


January 24, 2012, State of the Union address: "Let there be no doubt: America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal."


March 2, 2012, interview with Goldblog: "I... don't, as a matter of sound policy, go around advertising exactly what our intentions are. But I think both the Iranian and the Israeli governments recognize that when the United States says it is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, we mean what we say."


March 4, 2012, speech to AIPAC: "I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say That includes all elements of American power: A political effort aimed at isolating Iran; a diplomatic effort to sustain our coalition and ensure that the Iranian program is monitored; an economic effort that imposes crippling sanctions; and, yes, a military effort to be prepared for any contingency."


March 5, 2012, remarks after meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu: "... I reserve all options, and my policy here is not going to be one of containment. My policy is prevention of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons. And as I indicated yesterday in my speech, when I say all options are at the table, I mean it."


March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.


March 14, 2012, remarks after meeting with David Cameron: "...And as I said in a speech just a couple of weeks ago, I am determined not simply to contain Iran that is in possession of a nuclear weapon; I am determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon -- in part for the reasons that David mentioned... We will do everything we can to resolve this diplomatically, but ultimately, we've got to have somebody on the other side of the table who's taking this seriously."


September 25, 2012, speech to the United Nations General Assembly: "Make no mistake: A nuclear-armed Iran is not a challenge that can be contained...the United States will do what we must to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon."

Obama's Crystal-Clear Promise to Stop Iran From Getting a Nuclear Weapon
I disagree with Obama, and agree with your logic. If they have a gun, you need a gun, if you have a nuke, they need a nuke. Fair is fair, correct?

Just because your neighbor is a big scary guy, does that mean he shouldn't be allowed to own what you do? Who decides that, you? And how very convenient, for you that is...



State Sponsors of Terrorism




Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism are designated pursuant to three laws: section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act, section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act. Taken together, the four main categories of sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

Designation under the above-referenced authorities also implicates other sanctions laws that penalize persons and countries engaging in certain trade with state sponsors. Currently there are three countries designated under these authorities: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.

Country Designation Date
Iran January 19, 1984
Sudan August 12, 1993
Syria December 29, 1979
State Sponsors of Terrorism

For clarity....are you in favor of nuclear weapons in the hands of any of these three?
Question for ya, what does Iran's Terrorist List look like? I bet we are near the top eh?

And, using your logic, if we have a nuke then they need a nuke. As long as any nation has a nuke, all nations needs a nuke. See how that works?
 

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