Gun control...

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

I'll say it again. The Shooter was a Combat Veteran Marine. The Body Count (including his) was 13. He did that with a single 9mm. The best a normal shooter could do with the same weapon has been from 2 to 7. But that wasn't a normal shooter. Saying that having an armed person in the crowd would have made a difference is shown to be false when two armed cops with guns drawn entered, one was killed and other retreated dragging his partner out of the building and the killing continued. The Combat Veteran Marine did not have easy access to an AR-15 and a bunch of 30 shot mags and he used what he had which was a 9mm and a bunch of lower capacity mags. Had he brought what he was most familiar with (an AR-15 and 5 30 round Mags) he could have easily made the body count exceed 100 giving him the new all time record. And that would have been without a bump stock. In this case, the Gun Regs saved lives. Yes, 12 innocents did die but that probably could not have been prevented in any way that I can see.

Now, how can the AR-15 have such a high body count as compared to a 9mm? The dance floor is packed with almost 200 people. They are packed almost tight. The 9mm will kill or would a person with each round. The AR-15 is going to kill or wound at least 3 people deep in the same situation. Plus, you have the same number of mags. Meaning, you have the 9mm at 10 rounds and the AR at 30 rounds. So you have 60 rounds of 9mm versus 180 AR rounds. Even if every 9mm round found each individual person (and that won't happen because there will be some misses and some multiple hits) the most you can get is 60 kills. Meanwhile, if the AR only hits 1/3rd of the time, there will be 180 kills because each round that hits will also hit 2 other bodies.

And remember, you aren't talking about any run of the mill shooter here. You are talking about a Combat Veteran Marine who even two cops can't go up against.

In this case, the banning of the AR and the high capacity mags did make a difference. Yes, there were 12 innocent lives lost but it could have been more than 100 with the caliber of shooter involved had he had easy access to an AR and 30 round mags. Gun Regulation does work. You save the lives you can.

BTW, he used a .45 not a 9mm.

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That means he must have been even better with the weapon. He had less ammo since he had fewer rounds per mag. But he was a Combat Veteran Marine so there is no doubt he was an Expert with that weapon. Far beyond the experience that the Rexall Rangers in here.

The vast majority of the people in the military never train or qualify with a handgun.

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My mom did. Officers had to qualify with the 1911.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

We don't have Universal Background Checks. There are so many ways around it in many states, what's the use in even having it in the first place. In 2013, we went to universal background checks where even private sales had to go through a gun dealer to run the back ground check. It is locked at a whopping 7 bucks for the charge and takes about 15 minutes. This includes gun shows. At a gun show, there are always a number of gun dealers with computers set up that can take the couple of minutes to make that 7 bucks. After 3 really nasty shootings, things had to change and this was just one of them. And I can still buy a gun with no waiting except for thee 15 minutes while the background check is processed. I can buy enough ammo to satisfy myself at any gun range with no waiting. I can still buy any semi auto rifle right off the shelf with just a signature and an ID. And the Sun will still come up in the Morning for MOST of us.

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

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None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminal can't be required to register their weapons.

.

They go back to the last time that it legally changed hands. If it was legally background checked AFTER the background checks were created then they go back to that person and bust him for selling it illegally. Chances are, he's going to be very, very cooperative. And let's face it, any weapon that is owned by a criminal is illegal anyway and you have no control over except to bust him when you bag him for any and all crimes if you ever do get the chance. We do what we can do.

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.

That is up to the State. And some Cities are really harsh on it. It's not a 2nd amendment thing, it's States Rights. Too many get those two confused. As one Federal Appeals Judge once said, "If you don't like the laws where you are, MOVE".

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.

It's already 10 years. 20? Life?

That bitch from Virginia made a SBR as a gun grab stunt on YouTube. I don't know where that went with that but she was facing 10 years.

 

[francoHFW]

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminal can't be required to register their weapons.

.

They go back to the last time that it legally changed hands. If it was legally background checked AFTER the background checks were created then they go back to that person and bust him for selling it illegally. Chances are, he's going to be very, very cooperative. And let's face it, any weapon that is owned by a criminal is illegal anyway and you have no control over except to bust him when you bag him for any and all crimes if you ever do get the chance. We do what we can do.

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.

That is up to the State. And some Cities are really harsh on it. It's not a 2nd amendment thing, it's States Rights. Too many get those two confused. As one Federal Appeals Judge once said, "If you don't like the laws where you are, MOVE".

And of course that wrecks what little gun control we could have. States rights are the worst thing for progress and fairness there is...

 

[francoHFW]

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.

It's already 10 years. 20? Life?

That bitch from Virginia made a SBR as a gun grab stunt on YouTube. I don't know where that went with that but she was facing 10 years.

There are many gun illegalities that have too little punishment or none. Like this Nutter yesterday... No money for treatment

 

[Daryl Hunt]

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminal can't be required to register their weapons.

.

They go back to the last time that it legally changed hands. If it was legally background checked AFTER the background checks were created then they go back to that person and bust him for selling it illegally. Chances are, he's going to be very, very cooperative. And let's face it, any weapon that is owned by a criminal is illegal anyway and you have no control over except to bust him when you bag him for any and all crimes if you ever do get the chance. We do what we can do.

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.

That is up to the State. And some Cities are really harsh on it. It's not a 2nd amendment thing, it's States Rights. Too many get those two confused. As one Federal Appeals Judge once said, "If you don't like the laws where you are, MOVE".

And of course that wrecks what little gun control we could have. States rights are the worst thing for progress and fairness there is...

If your state is one that is the problem, get it changed. Get on your little motorscooter and hit the road and get it changed. Simple as that. Get involved. I got involved and am getting absolutely every gun regulation that I want. The last step is the Mental Health Issue and that is going to be taken care of in the next state session. Anything more than what I want is just going to be too much and borders gun control rather than gun regulation. But get involved.

 

[francoHFW]

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminal can't be required to register their weapons.

.

They go back to the last time that it legally changed hands. If it was legally background checked AFTER the background checks were created then they go back to that person and bust him for selling it illegally. Chances are, he's going to be very, very cooperative. And let's face it, any weapon that is owned by a criminal is illegal anyway and you have no control over except to bust him when you bag him for any and all crimes if you ever do get the chance. We do what we can do.

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.

That is up to the State. And some Cities are really harsh on it. It's not a 2nd amendment thing, it's States Rights. Too many get those two confused. As one Federal Appeals Judge once said, "If you don't like the laws where you are, MOVE".

And of course that wrecks what little gun control we could have. States rights are the worst thing for progress and fairness there is...

If your state is one that is the problem, get it changed. Get on your little motorscooter and hit the road and get it changed. Simple as that. Get involved. I got involved and am getting absolutely every gun regulation that I want. The last step is the Mental Health Issue and that is going to be taken care of in the next state session. Anything more than what I want is just going to be too much and borders gun control rather than gun regulation. But get involved.

We need federal laws on background checks and Mental Health and we need to tax the rich to do it. Right now it's a giveaway to the rich.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminal can't be required to register their weapons.

.

They go back to the last time that it legally changed hands. If it was legally background checked AFTER the background checks were created then they go back to that person and bust him for selling it illegally. Chances are, he's going to be very, very cooperative. And let's face it, any weapon that is owned by a criminal is illegal anyway and you have no control over except to bust him when you bag him for any and all crimes if you ever do get the chance. We do what we can do.

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.

That is up to the State. And some Cities are really harsh on it. It's not a 2nd amendment thing, it's States Rights. Too many get those two confused. As one Federal Appeals Judge once said, "If you don't like the laws where you are, MOVE".

Unless the law where you live violates a fundamental right, in which case you don’t have to move; you get it invalidated by the courts.

With rights come responsibilities, including “states’ rights” – where the states have the responsibility to enact laws and measures consistent with the Constitution, laws that do not violate the inalienable rights of American citizens who happen to reside within a given state.

Otherwise, the states are at liberty to regulate firearms consistent with Second Amendment case law.

Assault weapon bans, UCBs, and magazine capacity restrictions are all perfectly Constitutional regulatory measures which in no manner ‘violate’ the Second Amendment; a firearm regulatory measure isn’t un-Constitutional until the Supreme Court says it is.

Laws that prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms and prohibit the possession of handguns are un-Constitutional and in violation of the Second Amendment – the states have no ‘right’ to enact such laws.

 

[Issa]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

Availability of guns....Bangladesh, Morocco, Belgium, Scotland, Australia, Guinea, and doz2ns of other countries dont have mass shootings or thousands of dead people because of guns are super hard to get.

Irrelevant
In Other countries they have no right to own firearms, hell they don’t even have the right to freedom of speech

looooooooooooooool Who lied to you? that disc of freedom is only in America is a myth sweetheart. Look at your president, he shuts down the oppisition and calls the media fake news. Owning arms for what? to shoot others? go ahead it's only 14 000 people dead every year, break the record.

 

[Rustic]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

No one is for ending the Second Amendment, the worst would be you could have rifles and shotguns for hunting and handguns for special occasions, like back in the good old days before all you brainwashed dupes of the NRA GOP got all excited. Now we have it's ridiculous so many. Not for the gun dealer I'm sure laugh out loud. We need to close loopholes in background checks and get a real mental health system 4 everyone.

Na, buy more guns and ammo...
People kill people firearms have nothing to do with it

 

[Rustic]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

No one is for ending the Second Amendment, the worst would be you could have rifles and shotguns for hunting and handguns for special occasions, like back in the good old days before all you brainwashed dupes of the NRA GOP got all excited. Now we have it's ridiculous so many. Not for the gun dealer I'm sure laugh out loud. We need to close loopholes in background checks and get a real mental health system 4 everyone.

and f****** Health Care Day Care Living wage cheap college and training good vacations and infrastructure, ID card 2 end illegal immigration. All the stuff the GOP blocks. And every other rich country has, and we are the richest.

There is not enough money to pay for that shit

 

[Rustic]

We don't have Universal Background Checks. There are so many ways around it in many states, what's the use in even having it in the first place. In 2013, we went to universal background checks where even private sales had to go through a gun dealer to run the back ground check. It is locked at a whopping 7 bucks for the charge and takes about 15 minutes. This includes gun shows. At a gun show, there are always a number of gun dealers with computers set up that can take the couple of minutes to make that 7 bucks. After 3 really nasty shootings, things had to change and this was just one of them. And I can still buy a gun with no waiting except for thee 15 minutes while the background check is processed. I can buy enough ammo to satisfy myself at any gun range with no waiting. I can still buy any semi auto rifle right off the shelf with just a signature and an ID. And the Sun will still come up in the Morning for MOST of us.

So how many people have been prosecuted for not using a dealer to do a private sale?

.

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminal can't be required to register their weapons.

.

They go back to the last time that it legally changed hands. If it was legally background checked AFTER the background checks were created then they go back to that person and bust him for selling it illegally. Chances are, he's going to be very, very cooperative. And let's face it, any weapon that is owned by a criminal is illegal anyway and you have no control over except to bust him when you bag him for any and all crimes if you ever do get the chance. We do what we can do.

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.

Firearm registration is unconstitutional

 

[Rustic]

None that I know of around here. It's either not exactly policed heavily or we are some mighty righteous dudes and dudets. You pick one. But let one get involved in a crime and......

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminal can't be required to register their weapons.

.

They go back to the last time that it legally changed hands. If it was legally background checked AFTER the background checks were created then they go back to that person and bust him for selling it illegally. Chances are, he's going to be very, very cooperative. And let's face it, any weapon that is owned by a criminal is illegal anyway and you have no control over except to bust him when you bag him for any and all crimes if you ever do get the chance. We do what we can do.

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.

That is up to the State. And some Cities are really harsh on it. It's not a 2nd amendment thing, it's States Rights. Too many get those two confused. As one Federal Appeals Judge once said, "If you don't like the laws where you are, MOVE".

Unless the law where you live violates a fundamental right, in which case you don’t have to move; you get it invalidated by the courts.

With rights come responsibilities, including “states’ rights” – where the states have the responsibility to enact laws and measures consistent with the Constitution, laws that do not violate the inalienable rights of American citizens who happen to reside within a given state.

Otherwise, the states are at liberty to regulate firearms consistent with Second Amendment case law.

Assault weapon bans, UCBs, and magazine capacity restrictions are all perfectly Constitutional regulatory measures which in no manner ‘violate’ the Second Amendment; a firearm regulatory measure isn’t un-Constitutional until the Supreme Court says it is.

Laws that prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms and prohibit the possession of handguns are un-Constitutional and in violation of the Second Amendment – the states have no ‘right’ to enact such laws.

I agree states should have more of a “say” than the federal government, No state should be able to tell another state what to do.
Firearm registration is never in the right... It is absolutely unconstitutional

 

[Daryl Hunt]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

No one is for ending the Second Amendment, the worst would be you could have rifles and shotguns for hunting and handguns for special occasions, like back in the good old days before all you brainwashed dupes of the NRA GOP got all excited. Now we have it's ridiculous so many. Not for the gun dealer I'm sure laugh out loud. We need to close loopholes in background checks and get a real mental health system 4 everyone.

Na, buy more guns and ammo...
People kill people firearms have nothing to do with it

 

[Rustic]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

Availability of guns....Bangladesh, Morocco, Belgium, Scotland, Australia, Guinea, and doz2ns of other countries dont have mass shootings or thousands of dead people because of guns are super hard to get.

Irrelevant
In Other countries they have no right to own firearms, hell they don’t even have the right to freedom of speech

looooooooooooooool Who lied to you? that disc of freedom is only in America is a myth sweetheart. Look at your president, he shuts down the oppisition and calls the media fake news. Owning arms for what? to shoot others? go ahead it's only 14 000 people dead every year, break the record.

Lol
Our mainstream media is the very definition of fake news

 

[Erinwltr]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

No one is for ending the Second Amendment, the worst would be you could have rifles and shotguns for hunting and handguns for special occasions, like back in the good old days before all you brainwashed dupes of the NRA GOP got all excited. Now we have it's ridiculous so many. Not for the gun dealer I'm sure laugh out loud. We need to close loopholes in background checks and get a real mental health system 4 everyone.

Na, buy more guns and ammo...
People kill people firearms have nothing to do with it

Nonem of

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

No one is for ending the Second Amendment, the worst would be you could have rifles and shotguns for hunting and handguns for special occasions, like back in the good old days before all you brainwashed dupes of the NRA GOP got all excited. Now we have it's ridiculous so many. Not for the gun dealer I'm sure laugh out loud. We need to close loopholes in background checks and get a real mental health system 4 everyone.

and f****** Health Care Day Care Living wage cheap college and training good vacations and infrastructure, ID card 2 end illegal immigration. All the stuff the GOP blocks. And every other rich country has, and we are the richest.

There is not enough money to pay for that shit

Rustic Toilet papper? Here you need this. You LOST.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And nothing, there's no way to prove when the weapon changed hands without a 100% registration and you'll never get that, because criminal can't be required to register their weapons.

.

They go back to the last time that it legally changed hands. If it was legally background checked AFTER the background checks were created then they go back to that person and bust him for selling it illegally. Chances are, he's going to be very, very cooperative. And let's face it, any weapon that is owned by a criminal is illegal anyway and you have no control over except to bust him when you bag him for any and all crimes if you ever do get the chance. We do what we can do.

We should make the punishment worse for having an illegal gun.

That is up to the State. And some Cities are really harsh on it. It's not a 2nd amendment thing, it's States Rights. Too many get those two confused. As one Federal Appeals Judge once said, "If you don't like the laws where you are, MOVE".

Unless the law where you live violates a fundamental right, in which case you don’t have to move; you get it invalidated by the courts.

With rights come responsibilities, including “states’ rights” – where the states have the responsibility to enact laws and measures consistent with the Constitution, laws that do not violate the inalienable rights of American citizens who happen to reside within a given state.

Otherwise, the states are at liberty to regulate firearms consistent with Second Amendment case law.

Assault weapon bans, UCBs, and magazine capacity restrictions are all perfectly Constitutional regulatory measures which in no manner ‘violate’ the Second Amendment; a firearm regulatory measure isn’t un-Constitutional until the Supreme Court says it is.

Laws that prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms and prohibit the possession of handguns are un-Constitutional and in violation of the Second Amendment – the states have no ‘right’ to enact such laws.

I agree states should have more of a “say” than the federal government, No state should be able to tell another state what to do.
Firearm registration is never in the right... It is absolutely unconstitutional

And outside of extraordinary weapons, when have I EVER said that we need Gun Registration? In fact, I haven't seen one person in here bring that up except for you trying to scare small children with it. I promote universal background checks which are NOT gun registrations. Get back on topic for a change.

 

[Rustic]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

No one is for ending the Second Amendment, the worst would be you could have rifles and shotguns for hunting and handguns for special occasions, like back in the good old days before all you brainwashed dupes of the NRA GOP got all excited. Now we have it's ridiculous so many. Not for the gun dealer I'm sure laugh out loud. We need to close loopholes in background checks and get a real mental health system 4 everyone.

Na, buy more guns and ammo...
People kill people firearms have nothing to do with it

We bigger fish to fry.... take your pick
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

 

[Rustic]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

No one is for ending the Second Amendment, the worst would be you could have rifles and shotguns for hunting and handguns for special occasions, like back in the good old days before all you brainwashed dupes of the NRA GOP got all excited. Now we have it's ridiculous so many. Not for the gun dealer I'm sure laugh out loud. We need to close loopholes in background checks and get a real mental health system 4 everyone.

Na, buy more guns and ammo...
People kill people firearms have nothing to do with it

Nonem of

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting, along with every other of these shootings… Shit happens... people kill people firearms can not...

Thank God we have President Trump and the senate controlled by pro second amendment enthusiasts...

Most likely trump will be able to nominate 2 maybe three more justices... Protecting your Second Amendment rights for at least another generation...

No one is for ending the Second Amendment, the worst would be you could have rifles and shotguns for hunting and handguns for special occasions, like back in the good old days before all you brainwashed dupes of the NRA GOP got all excited. Now we have it's ridiculous so many. Not for the gun dealer I'm sure laugh out loud. We need to close loopholes in background checks and get a real mental health system 4 everyone.

and f****** Health Care Day Care Living wage cheap college and training good vacations and infrastructure, ID card 2 end illegal immigration. All the stuff the GOP blocks. And every other rich country has, and we are the richest.

There is not enough money to pay for that shit

Rustic Toilet papper? Here you need this. You LOST.

Lol
We’ll just let future generations pay for the shit

 

[sparky]

No amount of frivolous gun control laws would’ve done anything about this latest shooting

yeah it would have

Na, not really

yeah, really

Irrelevant

irrational....

Are you willing to give up your beer or whiskey and your guns?

Bad association....

There are so many loopholes in the background check system it is ridiculous and the mental health system is not involved and doesn't exist for all practical purposes

One of the things that we tried to get through our state government was the inclusion of the mental health into the background checks

This dude had been cleared by the shrinks this year, they said he didn't need treatment. Now what?

the MH community could well be a hedge against all these shootings , as well as suicides. Yes they drop the ball now/then, but i'd wager them effective if considered.

Laws that prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms and prohibit the possession of handguns are un-Constitutional and in violation of the Second Amendment – the states have no ‘right’ to enact such laws.

you should check out vermont carry

~S~