Gun death rates are the highest in mainly red states.

[ElmerMudd]

Yeah? So what. They don't have tens of millions of illegals from violent third world countries pushing up their vioent crime rates.

However, now that they are importing those types, what do we see? And EXPLOSION of gun related violent crime. All in countries that have the sorts of laws you love. And so long as they were homogenous white populations the violent crime was low.

But, now that they are importing violent third worlder's they are enjoying the same sort of crime levels as we have for decades.

DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Did you read factual numbers of death rates related to guns by country.
I don't think you can handle the truth.

 

[westwall]

Do ou really think gun regulations would take your guns away?

I assume you are a convicted felon or a danger to yourself or others.

If not, your fear is based on non-existence problems.

If you are a convicted felon or a danger to yourself or others you should be concerned you will lose your guns at some time.

If you didn't why do you even try.

 

[westwall]

Did you read factual numbers of death rates related to guns by country.
I don't think you can handle the truth.

Yes. I stay on top of them. Have you noticed the 40% increase so far in Europe? Have you noticed how while our gun crime might be higher, the LONDON violent crime rate is higher than the US. It is the most crime ridden place in the western world. And....the rate of gun violence is skyrocketing. Up 25% over the last three years. So while it certainly started low, as they import the same sort of violent third worlders as we have been dealing with for over 50 years, surprise surprise (well, not really to a thinking person) so too does their gun crime rates.

 

[2aguy]

The gun mortality rate is the highest among western first world countries, by a lot. Those that are worse are predominantly south Anerica. We are worse than countries like Afghanistan and Iraq.
Where do you get your facts?

Gun Deaths by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

And still European murder is higher thn our entire 247 year history of gun murder. Their governments just did their murder...15-20 million people in just 6 years....

You have no way to compare us to Europe...they murdered innocent people .....our gun murder is concentrated among criminals....

 

[ElmerMudd]

If you didn't why do you even try.

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[2aguy]

Yes. I stay on top of them. Have you noticed the 40% increase so far in Europe? Have you noticed how while our gun crime might be higher, the LONDON violent crime rate is higher than the US. It is the most crime ridden place in the western world. And....the rate of gun violence is skyrocketing. Up 25% over the last three years. So while it certainly started low, as they import the same sort of violent third worlders as we have been dealing with for over 50 years, surprise surprise (well, not really to a thinking person) so too does their gun crime rates.

Yep....they had to recover from World War 2 and are now catching up to us....

 

[westwall]

Yep....they had to recover from World War 2 and are now catching up to us....

Hell, at this rate they will blow past us in 10 years.

 

[Captain Caveman]

What happens to the gun argument when the state flips from red to blue, or from blue to red due to an election? Just like kinda keep quiet?

 

[2aguy]

Hell, at this rate they will blow past us in 10 years.

Wait till their hamas supporerers decide to do their own Oct 7.....the British police dont even have guns.......

 

[2aguy]

What happens to the gun argument when the state flips from red to blue, or from blue to red due to an election? Just like kinda keep quiet?

A wealthy member of the House of Lords wants to go bird hunting with his rich buddies on one of his private estates........this is a legitimate reason to have a gun in Britain so he gets a permit......

A woman living alone in London doesn't want to be raped, tortured and murdered in her apartment or dragged into an alley from her bus stop........this is not a legitimate reason to own and carry a gun in England, she does not get a permit

This makes sense to you?

 

[2aguy]

What happens to the gun argument when the state flips from red to blue, or from blue to red due to an election? Just like kinda keep quiet?

Yes....tell us about gun crime in England......

Britain's gun crime epidemic: Firearm offences in London soar 2,500% in one year with 850 incidents in England and Wales - as interactive map reveals how many gun crimes have been in YOUR area​

Britain's gun crime epidemic: Firearm offences in London soar 70%

Gun crime in London rose by 70 per cent in the last year with a huge 120 per cent increase in Gloucestershire alongside a 17 per cent rise nationally.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[M14 Shooter]

The gun mortality rate is the highest among western first world countries, by a lot.

You just want to restrict the right to keep and bear arms, and you're more than happy to violate the constitution to do so.
People like you are why there's a 2nd Amendment, and why people like me will not give an inch.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Do ou really think gun regulations would take your guns away?

You just want to restrict the right to keep and bear arms, and you're more than happy to violate the constitution to do so.
People like you are why there's a 2nd Amendment, and why people like me will not give an inch.

 

[ElmerMudd]

And still European murder is higher thn our entire 247 year history of gun murder. Their governments just did their murder...15-20 million people in just 6 years....

You have no way to compare us to Europe...they murdered innocent people .....our gun murder is concentrated among criminals....

Where do you come up with this. It is not even close to the truth. The murder rate in the USA is substantially higher than europe.
You are like a child playing make believe. You create a fantasy world with no connection with reality.

America’s high homicide rate - N-IUSSP

America leads advanced developed countries in terms of guns per capita and homicide rates, although with substantial variation by state, gender, and major racial/ethnic groups. Given its policies on police, ... Read more

www.niussp.org

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Where do you come up with this. It is not even close to the truth. The murder rate in the USA is substantially higher than europe.
You are like a child playing make believe. You create a fantasy world with no connection with reality.

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America leads advanced developed countries in terms of guns per capita and homicide rates, although with substantial variation by state, gender, and major racial/ethnic groups. Given its policies on police, ... Read more

www.niussp.org

Government kills more unarmed people

 

[ElmerMudd]

Government kills more unarmed people

Yowza, you and others are way out of contact with reality.
You are riddled with unnecessary fear.
You are worrying about stuff that will never happen. You will be miserable for no reason.
If by any small chance some of the crazy stuff you fear happens, the actual happening will not be as bad as you living in constant fear.

 

[justoffal]

Gun death rates are the highest in mainly red states. I would assume these states have fewer gun restrictions.
I would have thought states like New York, Illinois and California have the highest gun death rates based on the news.
It is Montana, Wyoming, Louisiana, New Mexico, Mississippi and Alabama. All but New Mexico are red states

In the Dem controlled cities in red States.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yowza, you and others are way out of contact with reality.
You are riddled with unnecessary fear.
You are worrying about stuff that will never happen. You will be miserable for no reason.
If by any small chance some of the crazy stuff you fear happens, the actual happening will not be as bad as you living in constant fear.

You're out of reality. It's a historical fact government kill more unarmed people

 

[westwall]

Yowza, you and others are way out of contact with reality.
You are riddled with unnecessary fear.
You are worrying about stuff that will never happen. You will be miserable for no reason.
If by any small chance some of the crazy stuff you fear happens, the actual happening will not be as bad as you living in constant fear.

Tell that to the 6 million Jews, the 60 million Rusdians, and the million or so Armenians.

 

[2aguy]

Where do you come up with this. It is not even close to the truth. The murder rate in the USA is substantially higher than europe.
You are like a child playing make believe. You create a fantasy world with no connection with reality.

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www.niussp.org

Here....dipshit....I am very clear.......between 1939-1945 European governments, under the control of left wing socialists from Germany murdered between 15-20 million innocent men, women and children...

Not war dead...these were innocent civilians rounded up, taken to forests or camps and murdered.....

6 years, 15-20 million murdered.....

In the U.S we average about 10,000 gun murders each year......average......over 247 years that is around 2,470,000 murdered by guns......and the vast majority of the victims are not innocents, they are criminals murdered by other criminals....

The Europeans gave up their guns starting in the 1920s, first registering them, then their governments began banning and confiscating them......then, during the German socialist occupation of their countries, those very registration lists were used to round up the remaining guns......and the owners were executed.....

http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM



German socialists

By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

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Meanwhile, you dumb ass......Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives...according to the Centers for Disease Control.....

1.5 million according to the Department of Justice.....

And the rest of the studies on gun self defense?

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press