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First of all, the heath care debate in Congress went on for eight months. The relevant bills went through five separate committee markups. You can still watch the extended floor debate that occurred in the House: House floor debate. Ditto for the Senate floor debate. There was plenty of time to read every single iteration of the health care bills that emerged.
As for the stimulus, that moved through Congress considerably faster but you can still see that the debate and amendment process went on for about a month.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To"]YouTube - Pelosi: we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it[/ame]
She's right. You still don't know what's in it, Frank. That you never bothered to read it or even a comprehensive summary of its contents is clear from every post you make about it, especially the ones where you're reduced to sputtering nonsense after this fact is pointed out.
Pelosi is talking about idiots like you, Frank. Sinister!
Nice try more on but Max Baucus just admitted he hasn't read the bill either!
It is a sad commentary on the Republican Party when there are no leaders to stand up and express outrage as the GOP is being hyjacked by extremists.
What would Sen. Goldwater, President DDE or President TR say in response to the jingoism, racisim, divisive language and references to "Second Amendment solutions" expressed by Republican members of Congress, former an active, and former and current Republican Governors ?
As titular leader of the Republicans we might expect Steele to speak out, and as possible nominees for the office of president one might expect Romeny or Barbour or Jindal to speak out for reason and honest debate, but they don't.
President's Lincoln, Roosevelt and Eisenhower would be ashamed, the GOP has become the party of hackneyed phrases and hysterical rants; and has produced not a single leader able, willing and brave enough to articulate a way forward.
Nice try more on but Max Baucus just admitted he hasn't read the bill either!
It's surprising how few people on a politics-oriented message board actually follow politics. Baucus made some statement about not reading through legislative language. His Senate Finance health care bill--the basis for H.R. 3590, which became the law--was not written in legislative language, it was written in conceptual language. A plain English description of the policy changes made by the law (not references to which subparagraphs of which sections of the U.S. code would be struck, etc).
Baucus is well aware of the policy changes made by the law, since he and his staff are responsible for most of them.
HE DIDN'T READ IT GREENE!
He said he had people to do it for him!
Sounds like you're outraged enough to cover it.It is a sad commentary on the Republican Party when there are no leaders to stand up and express outrage as the GOP is being hyjacked by extremists.
What would Sen. Goldwater, President DDE or President TR say in response to the jingoism, racisim, divisive language and references to "Second Amendment solutions" expressed by Republican members of Congress, former an active, and former and current Republican Governors ?
As titular leader of the Republicans we might expect Steele to speak out, and as possible nominees for the office of president one might expect Romeny or Barbour or Jindal to speak out for reason and honest debate, but they don't.
President's Lincoln, Roosevelt and Eisenhower would be ashamed, the GOP has become the party of hackneyed phrases and hysterical rants; and has produced not a single leader able, willing and brave enough to articulate a way forward.
Would that be anything like the debating done by the Democrats on the stimulus or the health care bill? You remember, no one read it because there wasn't time, and all the nice little backroom deals. That kind of Debating?
First of all, the heath care debate in Congress went on for eight months. The relevant bills went through five separate committee markups. You can still watch the extended floor debate that occurred in the House: House floor debate. Ditto for the Senate floor debate. There was plenty of time to read every single iteration of the health care bills that emerged.
As for the stimulus, that moved through Congress considerably faster but you can still see that the debate and amendment process went on for about a month.
First of all, the heath care debate in Congress went on for eight months. The relevant bills went through five separate committee markups. You can still watch the extended floor debate that occurred in the House: House floor debate. Ditto for the Senate floor debate. There was plenty of time to read every single iteration of the health care bills that emerged.
As for the stimulus, that moved through Congress considerably faster but you can still see that the debate and amendment process went on for about a month.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To]YouTube - Pelosi: we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it[/ame]
She's right. You still don't know what's in it, Frank. That you never bothered to read it or even a comprehensive summary of its contents is clear from every post you make about it, especially the ones where you're reduced to sputtering nonsense after this fact is pointed out.
Pelosi is talking about idiots like you, Frank. Sinister!
Not withstanding my poor choice of adding Goldwater into the OP (though I still believe Goldwater would spin in his grave to see how his ideas have been inculcated into the rhetoric of Palin, Gingrich, Beck and other opportunists); in three pages no poster has offered the name of any R leader.
As I suggested, President's Lincoln, Roosevelt and Eisenhower would be ashamed, the GOP has become the party of hackneyed phrases and hysterical rants; and has produced not a single leader able, willing and brave enough to articulate a way forward.
If there is one, name him or her.
Because one doesn't exist, the kooks who post idiotgrams will attempt to censor the question.
Also a very sad commentary on the 'intelligence' of the far right.
It is a sad commentary on the Republican Party when there are no leaders to stand up and express outrage as the GOP is being hyjacked by extremists.
What would Sen. Goldwater, President DDE or President TR say in response to the jingoism, racisim, divisive language and references to "Second Amendment solutions" expressed by Republican members of Congress, former an active, and former and current Republican Governors ?
As titular leader of the Republicans we might expect Steele to speak out, and as possible nominees for the office of president one might expect Romeny or Barbour or Jindal to speak out for reason and honest debate, but they don't.
President's Lincoln, Roosevelt and Eisenhower would be ashamed, the GOP has become the party of hackneyed phrases and hysterical rants; and has produced not a single leader able, willing and brave enough to articulate a way forward.
Goldwater was an extremist. In fact he said "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."
TR was a racist. Eisenhower was a Republican for no good reason.
But what about the Dems? Where are the party leaders like Ed Muskie, Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, or Scoop Jackson? Why has that party been taken over by simps and crooks like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank? Humphrey was a WW2 vet, Frank's only battle has been on the buffet line.
these were available at that time?
Depending on the lie, there are 25, 35 or 45 million uninsured, yet 2 people in NJ sign up with (hold your breath) THOUSANDS more behind them. That in a state with 1 million uninsured.
these were available at that time?
Of course. The first House health care bill, H.R. 3200, was released on July 14 of last year. That then went to three separate House committees for mark-up (in which committee members get to propose and vote on amendments), emerging from each one slightly changed. These changes were consolidated into a new bill, H.R. 3962, which was released on October 29. This was virtually the same as H.R. 3200 with a few changes that were well-known (such as weakening the public option). It had a lengthy floor debate and came to a vote on November 7. Though it passed the House, this bill never became law.
In the Senate, two health care bills were worked on. Kennedy's HELP committee bill was released on June 9 of last year and marked up later that month. Baucus's Finance bill moved much more slowly (though arguably his committee had done the most work on the issue, holding numerous hearings on health care and releasing white papers on reform starting in 2008). A framework for that bill was released on September 9. The actual Chairman's mark was released on September 16. The committee markup of that bill began the next week and ended with a vote to move it out of committee on October 13.
The next step was for Harry Reid to combine the HELP and Finance bill (which were similar in most respects), which he did. The resulting bill was H.R. 3590, released with Reid's manager's amendment on November 19, 2009. This came to a vote on Christmas Eve. This is the bill that would eventually become law.
Much later, on March 21, the House voted to pass that bill unaltered. It was accompanied by a relatively short reconciliation bill making certain changes (well-known in advance of the release of the actual text of the bill). That bill was publicly available on March 17. It passed the Senate on March 25 and the House later that day.
Depending on the lie, there are 25, 35 or 45 million uninsured, yet 2 people in NJ sign up with (hold your breath) THOUSANDS more behind them. That in a state with 1 million uninsured.
Do you know what they're signing up for?
Not withstanding my poor choice of adding Goldwater into the OP (though I still believe Goldwater would spin in his grave to see how his ideas have been inculcated into the rhetoric of Palin, Gingrich, Beck and other opportunists); in three pages no poster has offered the name of any R leader.
As I suggested, President's Lincoln, Roosevelt and Eisenhower would be ashamed, the GOP has become the party of hackneyed phrases and hysterical rants; and has produced not a single leader able, willing and brave enough to articulate a way forward.
If there is one, name him or her.
Because one doesn't exist, the kooks who post idiotgrams will attempt to censor the question.
Also a very sad commentary on the 'intelligence' of the far right.
Can you tell me to the nearest 10 million how many uninsured there are in America?
Can you tell me to the nearest 10 million how many uninsured there are in America?
No, I can't. I can, however, tell you it's measured in the tens of millions.
Are you counting Illegal Aliens?