Guy registers guns online, gets raided by cops and charged with felony in California

[rightwinger]

READ the Constitution.
Throughout it serves to LIMIT the powers of government.

Wrong again Skippy
The articles of the Constitution FORMS the branches of Government
The amendments place limitations

 

[rightwinger]

That cobra helicopter has to land.

And the cobra pilot is likely an Officer who made an oath to THE CONSTITUTION, not THE GOVERNMENT.

The main purpose of the Constitution is to establish a Government

The main purpose of the Constitution is to outline the rights that the citizens have OVER the Government. You need to get back to Junior High civics class.

You have obviously never actually read the document and only listen to right wing blogs.

The bulk of the Constitution establishes the three branches of government and their responsibilities

It is not till you get to the “Amendments” to the Constitution that you get to the rights of citizens

And those "rights" are to limit the Governments powers

Now you are learning Pops
The basic Constitution established a more perfect union. It sets up the three branches and checks and balances between them

The first ten amendments, which were extensively debated, gave the people their Bill of Rights

 

[Pop23]

And the cobra pilot is likely an Officer who made an oath to THE CONSTITUTION, not THE GOVERNMENT.

The main purpose of the Constitution is to establish a Government

The main purpose of the Constitution is to outline the rights that the citizens have OVER the Government. You need to get back to Junior High civics class.

You have obviously never actually read the document and only listen to right wing blogs.

The bulk of the Constitution establishes the three branches of government and their responsibilities

It is not till you get to the “Amendments” to the Constitution that you get to the rights of citizens

And those "rights" are to limit the Governments powers

Now you are learning Pops
The basic Constitution established a more perfect union. It sets up the three branches and checks and balances between them

The first ten amendments, which were extensively debated, gave the people their Bill of Rights

The soldier does not swear an oath to the original document Meathead.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Believe it or not, many imbecile LeftWingers think our Constitutional rights are funny....a joke

 

[rightwinger]

The main purpose of the Constitution is to establish a Government

The main purpose of the Constitution is to outline the rights that the citizens have OVER the Government. You need to get back to Junior High civics class.

You have obviously never actually read the document and only listen to right wing blogs.

The bulk of the Constitution establishes the three branches of government and their responsibilities

It is not till you get to the “Amendments” to the Constitution that you get to the rights of citizens

And those "rights" are to limit the Governments powers

Now you are learning Pops
The basic Constitution established a more perfect union. It sets up the three branches and checks and balances between them

The first ten amendments, which were extensively debated, gave the people their Bill of Rights

The soldier does not swear an oath to the original document Meathead.

No Shit Sherlock

 

[rightwinger]

Believe it or not, many imbecile LeftWingers think our Constitutional rights are funny....a joke

Liberals wrote those rights

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Now you are learning Pops

Too bad you're incapable

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Liberals wrote those rights

You dumbass. Those people were not the Progressive, anti-Constitutional assclowns you people are today

Every time you say something, your ignorance just becomes more evident.

 

[Pop23]

And the cobra pilot is likely an Officer who made an oath to THE CONSTITUTION, not THE GOVERNMENT.

The main purpose of the Constitution is to establish a Government

The main purpose of the Constitution is to outline the rights that the citizens have OVER the Government. You need to get back to Junior High civics class.

You have obviously never actually read the document and only listen to right wing blogs.

The bulk of the Constitution establishes the three branches of government and their responsibilities

It is not till you get to the “Amendments” to the Constitution that you get to the rights of citizens

And those "rights" are to limit the Governments powers

Now you are learning Pops
The basic Constitution established a more perfect union. It sets up the three branches and checks and balances between them

The first ten amendments, which were extensively debated, gave the people their Bill of Rights

Now you changed the goal post:

From:

The main purpose of the Constitution is to establish a Government

to:

The basic Constitution established a more perfect union. It sets up the three branches and checks and balances between them

I saw what you did. Started with the main purpose, then, rabbit out of the hat, "the basic".

The original document, prior to amendment, established a Government, but the MAIN PURPOSE is to LIMIT what the GOVERNMENT can do to THE PEOPLE.

 

[Claudette]

"Illegally modified gun"

Registered or not that will get you arrested.

He registered them in good faith. Did not hide the "fact." He may have been unaware of the legality because of the ever changing gun laws as it is pointed out by an ex police chief.

No, sorry. The BATFE is kind of funny about modifications to firearms, especially ILLEGAL ones, and if this guy was stupid enough to do illegal mods, takes pictures of them then post the pictures to the website, I can't feel too sorry for him. He's not too bright. Good intentions or not, when it comes to guns, know the laws. The Fed has ZERO tolerance of the slightest infraction by lawful citizens------ it helps them make up for the millions of criminals out there REALLY breaking the laws that are MUCH harder to track down!

I'm wondering if he modified the gun or bought it that way?? Anyone know??

 

[Claudette]

The main purpose of the Constitution is to establish a Government

The main purpose of the Constitution is to outline the rights that the citizens have OVER the Government. You need to get back to Junior High civics class.

You have obviously never actually read the document and only listen to right wing blogs.

The bulk of the Constitution establishes the three branches of government and their responsibilities

It is not till you get to the “Amendments” to the Constitution that you get to the rights of citizens

And those "rights" are to limit the Governments powers

Now you are learning Pops
The basic Constitution established a more perfect union. It sets up the three branches and checks and balances between them

The first ten amendments, which were extensively debated, gave the people their Bill of Rights

Now you changed the goal post:

From:

The main purpose of the Constitution is to establish a Government

to:

The basic Constitution established a more perfect union. It sets up the three branches and checks and balances between them

I saw what you did. Started with the main purpose, then, rabbit out of the hat, "the basic".

The original document, prior to amendment, established a Government, but the MAIN PURPOSE is to LIMIT what the GOVERNMENT can do to THE PEOPLE.

Yup and that's why the FF put in the 2nd amendment.

It was so we could protect ourselves from enemies. And also a way to protect ourselves from a tyrannical Govt. if needed.

Hell. I think they were more worried about the Govt. than enemies.

The FF were smart men and it shows.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

He registered them in good faith. Did not hide the "fact." He may have been unaware of the legality because of the ever changing gun laws as it is pointed out by an ex police chief.

If he honestly thought a machine gun was legal to register online, he should be arrested for being stupid.

An AR-15 isn't a machine gun, you dumbass.

An illegally modified one is.

Depends on the modification.
Usually liberals think a more scary looking gun is more deadly.

I'm pretty sure a gun's color isn't an illegal modification.

But it makes it look scary and that's all it takes for people who know fuck all about how firearms function.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

"Illegally modified gun"

Registered or not that will get you arrested.

So, we do not know what the modification was. If it was a fully automatic conversion without select fire option, it couldn't be determined from a picture of the gun in general since the fire control group is inside the firearm. Could have been a bayonet lug what doesn't have any effect on the firing rate of the firearm? All is speculation at this time on our part since the article doesn't specify anything.
Pull your panties out of your ass and calm down.

Are you stupid? Did I claim to know what was modified? Did I say it altered the rate of fire? The fact is it was illegally modified even if it was only a tactical rail prohibited by local ordinance. Get over it.

A tactical rail still doesn't alter the function of the firearm.

 

[boedicca]

Here is this guy from a prominent farming family who wanted to comply with California's new gun law requiring gun registration. He is a good law abiding citizen and goes online to register his guns. Next thing you know, he gets raided and charged with multiple felony possession. Hahaha... that's what you get when listening to gun grabbers. "We don't want to confiscate your guns, just register them to prevent shootings." GTFO

"According to court documents, the California Department of Justice raided Jeffrey Scott Kirschenmann's home last month, after he tried to register an illegally modified gun online through the state's website. [...]
According to court documents, the DOJ began investigating Kirschenmann when he electronically submitted photos of an illegally modified AR-15-style firearm. [...]
Retired KCSO Commander Joe Pilkington is a court recognized firearms expert. He could not speak directly to Kirschenmann's case but says the laws are changing so frequently, it's often hard to keep up with the latest regulations.
"Just in the last few years, there have been lots of changes in gun laws," he said. "Making an effort, a good faith effort to comply with these really complicated laws, should count for something." [...]
"There is this self-registration application on the Department of Justice website, but it may be better to talk to an FFL. Someone who has a license, to talk through whatever these complications are.""
Member of prominent farming family faces felony weapons charges

"Illegally modified gun"

Registered or not that will get you arrested.

Reading comprehension challenged much?

As the court recognized firearms expert noted, the regulations change so much that its difficult to keep track of them. This situation stinks of entrapment.

It's also a specific case of the concept that we are all criminals as there is a law somewhere that we don't know about that can be used to ruin our lives if we become "inconvenient" to our Dear Leaders.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

"Illegally modified gun"

Registered or not that will get you arrested.

So, we do not know what the modification was. If it was a fully automatic conversion without select fire option, it couldn't be determined from a picture of the gun in general since the fire control group is inside the firearm. Could have been a bayonet lug what doesn't have any effect on the firing rate of the firearm? All is speculation at this time on our part since the article doesn't specify anything.
Pull your panties out of your ass and calm down.

Are you stupid? Did I claim to know what was modified? Did I say it altered the rate of fire? The fact is it was illegally modified even if it was only a tactical rail prohibited by local ordinance. Get over it.

Yup.....making a gun look more tactical is a criminal offense.

The point of the second amendment was that we should be allowed to protect ourselves from an abusive government.
When the government systematically tries to make that more difficult they're abusing their authority.

Lol. News flash! We don't have an abusive government.

Patriot Act, IRS scandal, NSA spying on US citizens, I can go on and on.

 

[rightwinger]

Liberals wrote those rights

You dumbass. Those people were not the Progressive, anti-Constitutional assclowns you people are today

Every time you say something, your ignorance just becomes more evident.

They were the finest liberals of their generation.
Conservatives supported the crown

 

[rightwinger]

"Illegally modified gun"

Registered or not that will get you arrested.

So, we do not know what the modification was. If it was a fully automatic conversion without select fire option, it couldn't be determined from a picture of the gun in general since the fire control group is inside the firearm. Could have been a bayonet lug what doesn't have any effect on the firing rate of the firearm? All is speculation at this time on our part since the article doesn't specify anything.
Pull your panties out of your ass and calm down.

Are you stupid? Did I claim to know what was modified? Did I say it altered the rate of fire? The fact is it was illegally modified even if it was only a tactical rail prohibited by local ordinance. Get over it.

A tactical rail still doesn't alter the function of the firearm.

Then why would you miss it.

 

[Rustic]

Guy broke the law.......deserved what he got

What law did he break? Can you cite the law and how was it applied in regard to his guns?

He broke the California law on allowable modifications on an AR 15

You own a weapon it is your responsibility to know the law

Crazy Cali, It’s void of any sort of freedom and individuality.
Live there if you want, glad I don’t

 

[westwall]

The main purpose of the Constitution is to outline the rights that the citizens have OVER the Government. You need to get back to Junior High civics class.

You have obviously never actually read the document and only listen to right wing blogs.

The bulk of the Constitution establishes the three branches of government and their responsibilities

It is not till you get to the “Amendments” to the Constitution that you get to the rights of citizens

And those "rights" are to limit the Governments powers

Now you are learning Pops
The basic Constitution established a more perfect union. It sets up the three branches and checks and balances between them

The first ten amendments, which were extensively debated, gave the people their Bill of Rights

Now you changed the goal post:

From:

The main purpose of the Constitution is to establish a Government

to:

The basic Constitution established a more perfect union. It sets up the three branches and checks and balances between them

I saw what you did. Started with the main purpose, then, rabbit out of the hat, "the basic".

The original document, prior to amendment, established a Government, but the MAIN PURPOSE is to LIMIT what the GOVERNMENT can do to THE PEOPLE.

Yup and that's why the FF put in the 2nd amendment.

It was so we could protect ourselves from enemies. And also a way to protect ourselves from a tyrannical Govt. if needed.

Hell. I think they were more worried about the Govt. than enemies.

The FF were smart men and it shows.

They were. When you look at their writings they were very concerned at a tyrannical government taking over. They understood the life cycle of a country and wished to make sure that the tools for the People to remain free were as prevalent, and available, as possible.

 

[Rustic]

I'm sure your rifles will be a great weapon against a Cobra helicopter.

That cobra helicopter has to land.

And the cobra pilot is likely an Officer who made an oath to THE CONSTITUTION, not THE GOVERNMENT.

The main purpose of the Constitution is to establish a Government

The main purpose of the Constitution is to outline the rights that the citizens have OVER the Government. You need to get back to Junior High civics class.

You have obviously never actually read the document and only listen to right wing blogs.

The bulk of the Constitution establishes the three branches of government and their responsibilities

It is not till you get to the “Amendments” to the Constitution that you get to the rights of citizens

You’re a typical progressive, that Thinks that the American citizen works for the federal government not the other way around...