Has the republican perception of the income inequality crisis changed at all?

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is of course logical that the more people you have vying for jobs, the less those jobs have to pay to secure help.

Logical to you and to me but I've no yet come across one Leftie who concedes this point. Notice I didn't say anything about their level of understanding. I suspect that they understand it but they won't concede because they don't like the policy implications with respect to immigration which follow accepting the point.

This now keeps them in the realm of magic and I really have no clue what they hope to accomplish by pushing their policy favorites which are based on magical thinking. I can only follow Leftie "logic" so far before the hall of mirrors gets to be too much.

However it is ALSO logical that if the existing labor force is willing and able to perform said jobs then there is no need to "import" help.

Surely you agree with that assessment.

The existing labor force has to be willing and able to perform the jobs for the OFFERED WAGE. If employers are not offering enough then this doesn't justify importing labor. That's what seems to be operational now and it's nonsensical. The displaced American labor is not replaced in society, it's displaced. These Americans who want higher wages don't just disappear to be replaced by Hispanics who are happy to work for lower wages, no, these Americans go onto welfare or they take themselves out of the workforce and are supported by family and in either case they represent a net cost to society.

We as a society don't gain when a Hispanic infiltrator displaces an American citizen out of the workforce. Better to pay higher wages to the American and not pay any welfare than to pay lower wages to an infiltrator and welfare to the American. The wage savings don't pay for the welfare.

Of course we're in agreement there, but people do all manners of things that aren't justified in life. Just saying "they shouldn't have done that" is no solutions. THey have done it, so now what?

The answer isn't spend more money trying to deport 12M people. The answer is implement The Real ID Act, and start hammering the fuck out of businesses who hire illegals.

If the jobs disappear, the illegals will go home on their own.

Christ, the new BS GOP only cares during one of their recessions- Allowing the worthy working illegals a green card is only intelligent and just. And a good SS/ID, which PUBS REUSE. Theyll never pass mass deportation- only hater dupes are THAT stupid.

THEY'RE ALREADY HERE< AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS> PASS THE GD BILL AND GET THEIR TAXES...Throw out the unworththy. Hater dupes! They will NEVER pass a mass deportation- For one thing, it's Rush/Sean/

Duh, raise taxes on the bloated megarich and giant corporations, invest in infrastructure and training and education, lower taxes on the nonrich, raise the min wage to $10. Nothing will get better until voodoo is repealed. See sig, brainwashed ignoramuses

Guess Who Really Pays the Taxes mdash The American Magazine

Cut the Pubcrappe, moron- Fed income taxes are Reaganist bs, are now less than payroll taxes, ALL paid by the nonrich. Change the channel, fool.

Why are you whining about payroll taxes?
They fund Social Security which also benefits the nonrich much more than the rich.
We could balance the budget by taxing liberal idiocy.

You go on about how the rich pay more in taxes, I show you you're WRONG, and you don't care? I'm shocked. (sarcasm lol)....Totally brainwashed...

You go on about how the rich pay more in taxes

Only because they do.

I show you you're WRONG

You showed me that the poor paid more in SS? LOL!
Was your brain damage recent, or have you been disabled for a while?
Do me a favor, show me how the rich benefit more from SS.

 

[BluesLegend]

Income inequality is code for socialism and living out your days working on the Democratic party plantation.

 

[Billy000]

Income inequality is code for socialism and living out your days working on the Democratic party plantation.

Man I feel sorry for you people.

 

[Stephanie]

Yes, they feel Donald Trump is not making enough on his investments.

well, you Dems must feel Jon Kerry-HEINZ KETCHUP isn't making enough on his investments... you all keep putting him our government to suck a paycheck off us taxpayers

 

[Stephanie]

Yes, they feel Donald Trump is not making enough on his investments.

well, you Dems must feel Jon Kerry-HEINZ KETCHUP isn't making enough on his investments... you all keep putting him our government to suck a paycheck off us taxpayers

You people with this new meme of income inequality and then you elect people like John Kerry as your Rep. are just so full of BS and are two faced hypocrites on top of that

 

[francoHFW]

Yes, they feel Donald Trump is not making enough on his investments.

well, you Dems must feel Jon Kerry-HEINZ KETCHUP isn't making enough on his investments... you all keep putting him our government to suck a paycheck off us taxpayers

He could make a heluva lot more in business, and wants to raise his own taxes to invest in America. As opposed to your corrupt, bought off, greedy idiot a-holes...

 

[Stephanie]

Yes, they feel Donald Trump is not making enough on his investments.

well, you Dems must feel Jon Kerry-HEINZ KETCHUP isn't making enough on his investments... you all keep putting him our government to suck a paycheck off us taxpayers

He could make a heluva lot more in business, and wants to raise his own taxes to invest in America. As opposed to your corrupt, bought off, greedy idiot a-holes...

if he wanted to raise his own taxes he surly could of in the 30 YEARS since he's been sucking off taxpayers

 

[The Rabbi]

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Because the oriignal reference was that same poster and that's what you were responding to when you responded to what I wrote? Just a guess. Of course that assumes you have two working brain cells to rub together and dont want to appear like an idiot. Which may be wrong.

who the fuck can keep up with that with the way some of you idiots don't know how to cut quotes? I don't read 8 quotes , I read the bottom one, and maybe 2 above it, I never seen anyone use the date 1978.

But, whatever makes you feel safe and warm at night.

Admitting you're too stupid to debate. Priceless.

 

[The Rabbi]

Here's an immigration bill...

Close the border, start deporting illegals, e verify and fines for hiring foreign criminals, no IDs , no social services, schooling or welfare....deport prison gang members to their country's of origin, and bill those countries for the favor. In the meantime we can slow all immigration to a halt until the system is fixed. Eliminate all immigration from Muslim countries.

For starters. Simple

Well we've been doing pretty much exactly that for about 30 years/ And it's not working.
"Close the border". Do you have any idea what that means and what it would take? Do you have any notion of the volume of goods that flows both ways across that border? No, of course not.
We have spent unimaginable sums on immigration enforcement and its been a failure. Turning the US into a police state is not really an option.
The idiot immigration restrictionists will sink the GOP with their stupid ideas.

You can't be seriously contending that we've been following that prescription for the last 30 years. That claim is divorced from reality.

It appears that you fundamentally misunderstand the terms of the debate. To close the border does not mean that all trade across a border must stop. The term doesn't mean anything with respect to trade, only human migration is affected by a closed border. Commerce can proceed unimpeded. If you don't understand such a fundamental point, then it's no wonder you're misunderstanding so much more and that's what is leading you to bad policy decisions.

No, divorced from reality is claiming that more of the same will work.
In 1990 the border patrol's budget was $262M. Last year it was nearly $3.5B. All the things immigration noobs call for we're already doing. It is already illegal to hire illegal aliens. We already have a verify system for citizenship. What is spending another X billion dollars going to do? It's nuts.
http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/BP Budget History 1990-2013.pdf
The issue is that immigration assholes who claim to be conservatives suddenly become flaming statists when this issue comes up. They want to turn the US into a police state, with everyone walkig around with papers to prove they're legal. They forget that conservative principle is the free movement of labor and capital.

 

[BluesLegend]

Yes, they feel Donald Trump is not making enough on his investments.

well, you Dems must feel Jon Kerry-HEINZ KETCHUP isn't making enough on his investments... you all keep putting him our government to suck a paycheck off us taxpayers

He could make a heluva lot more in business, and wants to raise his own taxes to invest in America. As opposed to your corrupt, bought off, greedy idiot a-holes...

if he wanted to raise his own taxes he surly could of in the 30 YEARS since he's been sucking off taxpayers

None of these lying hypocrite libs will walk the walk, Kerry can cut a check to the treasury today to lead by example dittio Obama ditto the rest of the lying hypocrite income inequality libs. The liberal politicians use income inequality to rile up their base of low information voters, to foment division and hate but they have no intention of actually walking the walk.

 

[Billy000]

Yes, they feel Donald Trump is not making enough on his investments.

well, you Dems must feel Jon Kerry-HEINZ KETCHUP isn't making enough on his investments... you all keep putting him our government to suck a paycheck off us taxpayers

He could make a heluva lot more in business, and wants to raise his own taxes to invest in America. As opposed to your corrupt, bought off, greedy idiot a-holes...

if he wanted to raise his own taxes he surly could of in the 30 YEARS since he's been sucking off taxpayers

None of these lying hypocrite libs will walk the walk, Kerry can cut a check to the treasury today to lead by example dittio Obama ditto the rest of the lying hypocrite income inequality libs. The liberal politicians use income inequality to rile up their base of low information voters, to foment division and hate but they have no intention of actually walking the walk.

So are you cons so retarded that you think every liberal voted for John Kerry?

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes, they feel Donald Trump is not making enough on his investments.

well, you Dems must feel Jon Kerry-HEINZ KETCHUP isn't making enough on his investments... you all keep putting him our government to suck a paycheck off us taxpayers

He could make a heluva lot more in business, and wants to raise his own taxes to invest in America. As opposed to your corrupt, bought off, greedy idiot a-holes...

if he wanted to raise his own taxes he surly could of in the 30 YEARS since he's been sucking off taxpayers

None of these lying hypocrite libs will walk the walk, Kerry can cut a check to the treasury today to lead by example dittio Obama ditto the rest of the lying hypocrite income inequality libs. The liberal politicians use income inequality to rile up their base of low information voters, to foment division and hate but they have no intention of actually walking the walk.

So are you cons so retarded that you think every liberal voted for John Kerry?

Why dont we have a button for "Stupid" on this board?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here's an immigration bill...

Close the border, start deporting illegals, e verify and fines for hiring foreign criminals, no IDs , no social services, schooling or welfare....deport prison gang members to their country's of origin, and bill those countries for the favor. In the meantime we can slow all immigration to a halt until the system is fixed. Eliminate all immigration from Muslim countries.

For starters. Simple

Well we've been doing pretty much exactly that for about 30 years/ And it's not working.
"Close the border". Do you have any idea what that means and what it would take? Do you have any notion of the volume of goods that flows both ways across that border? No, of course not.
We have spent unimaginable sums on immigration enforcement and its been a failure. Turning the US into a police state is not really an option.
The idiot immigration restrictionists will sink the GOP with their stupid ideas.

You can't be seriously contending that we've been following that prescription for the last 30 years. That claim is divorced from reality.

It appears that you fundamentally misunderstand the terms of the debate. To close the border does not mean that all trade across a border must stop. The term doesn't mean anything with respect to trade, only human migration is affected by a closed border. Commerce can proceed unimpeded. If you don't understand such a fundamental point, then it's no wonder you're misunderstanding so much more and that's what is leading you to bad policy decisions.

No, divorced from reality is claiming that more of the same will work.
In 1990 the border patrol's budget was $262M. Last year it was nearly $3.5B. All the things immigration noobs call for we're already doing. It is already illegal to hire illegal aliens. We already have a verify system for citizenship. What is spending another X billion dollars going to do? It's nuts.
http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/BP Budget History 1990-2013.pdf
The issue is that immigration assholes who claim to be conservatives suddenly become flaming statists when this issue comes up. They want to turn the US into a police state, with everyone walkig around with papers to prove they're legal. They forget that conservative principle is the free movement of labor and capital.

In 1990 the border patrol's budget was $262M. Last year it was nearly $3.5B.

I'm shocked to learn the government is spending more and more money with less and less success.
Maybe they're spending too much to ship illegals to new cities and not enough sending them back to their home cities?

The issue is that immigration assholes who claim to be conservatives suddenly become flaming statists when this issue comes up.

Defending our border is one of the legitimate, constitutional, government responsibilities.
Unlike paying to study the life cycle of lesbian tree frogs.

They want to turn the US into a police state

We can prevent Osama from walking across the border without turning into Nazi Germany.

with everyone walkig around with papers to prove they're legal.

I'd be happy if people had to prove they were legal when they get a job or collect welfare or get pulled over for speeding.
And if we sent illegals back when they interact with government, rather than release them back into America.

 

[Billy000]

Yes, they feel Donald Trump is not making enough on his investments.

well, you Dems must feel Jon Kerry-HEINZ KETCHUP isn't making enough on his investments... you all keep putting him our government to suck a paycheck off us taxpayers

He could make a heluva lot more in business, and wants to raise his own taxes to invest in America. As opposed to your corrupt, bought off, greedy idiot a-holes...

if he wanted to raise his own taxes he surly could of in the 30 YEARS since he's been sucking off taxpayers

None of these lying hypocrite libs will walk the walk, Kerry can cut a check to the treasury today to lead by example dittio Obama ditto the rest of the lying hypocrite income inequality libs. The liberal politicians use income inequality to rile up their base of low information voters, to foment division and hate but they have no intention of actually walking the walk.

So are you cons so retarded that you think every liberal voted for John Kerry?

Why dont we have a button for "Stupid" on this board?

Yeah it's a shame. We could better identify you couldn't we? I suppose you could always change your username.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here's an immigration bill...

Close the border, start deporting illegals, e verify and fines for hiring foreign criminals, no IDs , no social services, schooling or welfare....deport prison gang members to their country's of origin, and bill those countries for the favor. In the meantime we can slow all immigration to a halt until the system is fixed. Eliminate all immigration from Muslim countries.

For starters. Simple

Well we've been doing pretty much exactly that for about 30 years/ And it's not working.
"Close the border". Do you have any idea what that means and what it would take? Do you have any notion of the volume of goods that flows both ways across that border? No, of course not.
We have spent unimaginable sums on immigration enforcement and its been a failure. Turning the US into a police state is not really an option.
The idiot immigration restrictionists will sink the GOP with their stupid ideas.

You can't be seriously contending that we've been following that prescription for the last 30 years. That claim is divorced from reality.

It appears that you fundamentally misunderstand the terms of the debate. To close the border does not mean that all trade across a border must stop. The term doesn't mean anything with respect to trade, only human migration is affected by a closed border. Commerce can proceed unimpeded. If you don't understand such a fundamental point, then it's no wonder you're misunderstanding so much more and that's what is leading you to bad policy decisions.

No, divorced from reality is claiming that more of the same will work.
In 1990 the border patrol's budget was $262M. Last year it was nearly $3.5B. All the things immigration noobs call for we're already doing. It is already illegal to hire illegal aliens. We already have a verify system for citizenship. What is spending another X billion dollars going to do? It's nuts.
http://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/BP Budget History 1990-2013.pdf
The issue is that immigration assholes who claim to be conservatives suddenly become flaming statists when this issue comes up. They want to turn the US into a police state, with everyone walkig around with papers to prove they're legal. They forget that conservative principle is the free movement of labor and capital.

They forget that conservative principle is the free movement of labor and capital.

Having zero control over those who enter our country is far from a conservative principle.

 

[BluesLegend]

So are you cons so retarded that you think every liberal voted for John Kerry?

Just those liberals demanding Bush be charged with war crimes.

 

[jcfranks]

I don't think the issue this thread is protesting is income inequality so much as wealth inequality, which is an entirely different, if related, issue.

Raising income tax doesn't address wealth inequality AT ALL. Why? Because the "1%" generally don't receive a vast amount of what we define as income for the income tax. They live off of interest, royalties and whatnot. If you are really wanting to pull from these people, consider doing something that doesn't hurt business directly (income tax) while having a marginal effect at best on the super-rich.

Not that I think that should be done, but there it is.

My real problem with wealth in our nation has to do with how the super-rich have turned both parties into puppets for their crony Capitalism.

Yes, both parties. Don't lie to yourselves.


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[BluesLegend]

We should be focused on creating new wealth not stealing wealth from those who have it to dole out to the have nots.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

We should be focused on creating new wealth not stealing wealth from those who have it to dole out to the have nots.

True, but liberals are economic idiots. They believe if Bob has wealth that means that Chuck can't also have wealth unless he takes it from Bob.

 

[jcfranks]

We should be focused on creating new wealth not stealing wealth from those who have it to dole out to the have nots.

Exactly.

Did Apple's boom make society poorer?

Did Microsoft's innovations make society poorer?

Did the oil boom make society poorer?

Yeah, sure, these things made some people über-wealthy (and some have abused that wealth), but they generally increased the wealth of society.

Will anyone argue that society as a whole is less wealthy than 100 years ago? Relative wealth within society may be different, but we are as a whole much better off than we were. Who except the covetous among us care if someone else has more?

Increasing wealth on an absolute scale is about creating it, not redistributing it.


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