Hate crime vs Free Speech

[Zincwarrior]

Not even close.

Pride isn't about tolerance, it's about celebration, beyond even acceptance.

Government shouldn't be doing that.

Its not a religion. Therefor it is not violating the First Amendment.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Define religion.

My love for TexMex.

 

[martybegan]

Define religion.

A set of beliefs and moral structures. it used to be purely supernatural based, but once Scientology got their OK, that went out the window. Also Confucianism isn't supernaturally based but is considered a religion.

The issue is Pride being advocacy, not just explaining and asking for tolerance.

 

[martybegan]

Its not a religion. Therefor it is not violating the First Amendment.

It has all the trappings of one. It's advocacy for a given moral and ethical structure. If Confucianism and Scientology can be considered religions, pride can be as well.

 

[Zincwarrior]

A note. Did the protestors own the US flag or did they steal it? If they stole it they can be criminally pursued as SCOTUS has found that is NOT free speech.

 

[American Eagle]

There is no such thing as a hate crime. Argument premise is moot.

 

[martybegan]

A note. Did the protestors own the US flag or did they steal it? If they stole it they can be criminally pursued as SCOTUS has found that is NOT free speech.

Like DC will do that. LOL.

 

[Zincwarrior]

It has all the trappings of one. It's advocacy for a given moral and ethical structure. If Confucianism and Scientology can be considered religions, pride can be as well.

You're defining philosophy as religion, issue advocacy as religion, political parties as religion. Admittedly religion is hard to define.

 

[martybegan]

You're defining philosophy as religion, issue advocacy as religion, political parties as religion. Admittedly religion is hard to define.

the 1st amendment is supposed to protect religious belief, not hamstring it.

How is Pride advocacy any different than evangelizing religious Christianity?

Maybe we need these 10 commandment cases to spring into determining if Pride is so like a Religion that schools and government should have nothing to do with it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Like DC will do that. LOL.

I actually agree with you on that one.

 

[Marener]

A set of beliefs and moral structures. it used to be purely supernatural based, but once Scientology got their OK, that went out the window. Also Confucianism isn't supernaturally based but is considered a religion.

The issue is Pride being advocacy, not just explaining and asking for tolerance.

doesn’t seem to apply to pride given this is a belief about one thing and not a set of beliefs and moral structures. Pride really isn’t a moral code at all.

Pride is advocacy for tolerance.

Shouldn’t the government advocate for tolerance?

 

[martybegan]

doesn’t seem to apply to pride given this is a belief about one thing and not a set of beliefs and moral structures. Pride really isn’t a moral code at all.

Pride is advocacy for tolerance.

Shouldn’t the government advocate for tolerance?

No, it's advocacy for celebration and acceptance.

It's not tolerance and that's the problem.

It's not saying respect others, it's saying "this is right, this is good, this is normal". It's making a moral judgement on it.

 

[Marener]

It's not saying respect others, it's saying "this is right, this is good, this is normal"

These are the same thing.

Wouldn’t you say the same about someone of a different religion? It’s right, good, normal to be Jewish? Or would you say it’s wrong, bad or abnormal?

 

[martybegan]

These are the same thing.

Wouldn’t you say the same about someone of a different religion? It’s right, good, normal to be Jewish? Or would you say it’s wrong, bad or abnormal?

No, they are not. You can tolerate something without accepting or celebrating it.

According to Christians it isn't right, it could be good, and normality doesn't come into play.

Are they forcing Jewish celebrations in Public School?

 

[Marener]

No, they are not. You can tolerate something without accepting or celebrating it.

According to Christians it isn't right, it could be good, and normality doesn't come into play.

Are they forcing Jewish celebrations in Public School?

Schools celebrate diversity of religion. They teach kids that being Jewish is normal. Same thing as celebrating diversity of sexual orientation. Being straight is normal. So is being gay.

Seems like a good thing to me.

Do you think schools should stop teaching kids that being Jewish is normal?

 

[jc456]

I am not the one thinking crosswalks are defacing streets. Thats weird bro.

Again, it’s because you can’t decipher words

 

[Zincwarrior]

Again, it’s because you can’t decipher words

One reads words. One deciphers intent.

 

[martybegan]

Schools celebrate diversity of religion. They teach kids that being Jewish is normal. Same thing as celebrating diversity of sexual orientation. Being straight is normal. So is being gay.

Seems like a good thing to me.

Do you think schools should stop teaching kids that being Jewish is normal?

No, they do not. They teach Judaism exists, Christianity exists, Atheism exists. That we shouldn't hate people for things.

Only with Pride do they go the celebrate route and the judgement route.

That means they judge AGAINST teachings that say Homosexuality is sinful.

That crosses the line.

They don't teach it as normal, they don't make a judgement on it, as is the way it should be,

 

[Zincwarrior]

No, they do not. They teach Judaism exists, Christianity exists, Atheism exists. That we shouldn't hate people for things.

Only with Pride do they go the celebrate route and the judgement route.

That means they judge AGAINST teachings that say Homosexuality is sinful.

That crosses the line.

They don't teach it as normal, they don't make a judgement on it, as is the way it should be,

Well except Louisiana and Oklahoma now.

 

[martybegan]

Well except Louisiana and Oklahoma now.

And that is more than likely in response to the whole Pride thing.

Action, reaction.

They should lose as well, unless they remove the commandments referencing God.

For the others, what would the objection be?

Honor your parents, don't steal, don't murder, don't lie, don't be covetous, don't fuck your neighbor's spouse or cheat on your own spouse.

How are any of those bad ideas?