Hatred of religion

[Lutroo]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

This fails as a confirmation bias fallacy – the case can also be made that Christianity was anathema to the scientific method.

 

[Lutroo]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

This fails as a confirmation bias fallacy – the case can also be made that Christianity was anathema to the scientific method.

That particular case would be impossible to prove.

Science vs. Religion: Study’s Surprising Finds About Christianity and Science

If you did a little research, you would find that the Christian faith played a significant role in developing modern science. In fact, many of the greatest scientists who ever lived were Christians.

Here's a short list.

1. Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
   Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.
2. Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
   Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)
3. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
   Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!
4. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
   Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.
5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
   Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous "I think therefore I am". Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era.
6. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
   
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   Pascal was a French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer and theologian. In mathematics, he published a treatise on the subject of projective geometry and established the foundation for probability theory. Pascal invented a mechanical calculator, and established the principles of vacuums and the pressure of air. He was raised a Roman Catholic, but in 1654 had a religious vision of God, which turned the direction of his study from science to theology. Pascal began publishing a theological work, Lettres provinciales, in 1656. His most influential theological work, the Pensées ("Thoughts"), was a defense of Christianity, which was published after his death. The most famous concept from Pensées was Pascal's Wager. Pascal's last words were, "May God never abandon me."
7. Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
   In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God was essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."
8. Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
   One of the founders and key early members of the Royal Society, Boyle gave his name to "Boyle's Law" for gases, and also wrote an important work on chemistry. Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "By his will he endowed a series of Boyle lectures, or sermons, which still continue, 'for proving the Christian religion against notorious infidels...' As a devout Protestant, Boyle took a special interest in promoting the Christian religion abroad, giving money to translate and publish the New Testament into Irish and Turkish. In 1690 he developed his theological views in The Christian Virtuoso, which he wrote to show that the study of nature was a central religious duty." Boyle wrote against atheists in his day (the notion that atheism is a modern invention is a myth), and was clearly much more devoutly Christian than the average in his era.
9. Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
   Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.
10. Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
    Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.
11. William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
    Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions." Lord Kelvin was an Old Earth creationist, who estimated the Earth's age to be somewhere between 20 million and 100 million years, with an upper limit at 500 million years based on cooling rates (a low estimate due to his lack of knowledge about radiogenic heating).
12. Max Planck (1858-1947)
    Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God!"
13. Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
    Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

You're barking up the wrong tree, son. Best quit before you make a fool of yourself.

 

[MisterBeale]

Molyneux believes that atheists, being overwhelmingly leftists (according to pew 56% self identify as liberal), impose their moral judgments on him in the form of taxes. To ascribe his problem to atheism seems absurd on the face of it. Congress maintains the authority to tax and the makeup of congress is and has always been overwhelmingly theist. It's a silly argument.

Faith on the Hill

7 facts about atheists

Modern atheism seems to be heavily influenced by Marxism as well as utopian socialists such as John Stuart Mill.

If people have something to rely on for purpose and meaning of life other than material convenience appropriated by the state then it's harder for the state to control them.

If they remove God and look to "science" or "economic progress" to save them then the state owns them lock stock and barrell.

You have no idea how brainwashed you are.

We have no Marxist agenda you fool. No leader. This is just you being defensive and thinking there must be a hidden agenda.

Never realizing it's your side that is authoritarian and controlling.

Good little sheep

I've seen you post enough to know that your "leader" is the State. You blindly believe in science and the power of the State.

Science is based on observation and proof. Your book of fairy tales is based on myths and lies. You made your choice, now shut up before you end up in hell.

It sounds like something a cult would tell it's followers. "Don't listen to skeptics. They worship the state". Oh stfu!

Just because we don't worship a fairytale doesn't mean we worship something else.

Is it mandatory we worship something?

Other than God do these people worship the state? Well neither do we. We need nothing to worship.

 

[LittleNipper]

For well over 100 years, most public schools had opening exercises which included the Pledge of Allegiance, a national song (America the Beautiful, Oh Columbia the Gem of the Ocean, The Star Spangled Banner, etc.), and a short Bible reading (Usually from the Psalms or Proverbs). Public Schools also had Halloween costume parties, Thanksgiving Parties, Christmas Parties with student Carole sings, and Easter egg hunts. There were Jews, Catholics, atheists, Mormons and Protestants in the same classrooms. NO ONE was made to participate, but everyone had something to look forward to.

Today, public school is a drudge of what is NOT OK to present, talk about, discuss, and represent. What's to enjoy?

 

[BULLDOG]

Why is it so trendy today to attack religion? Historically communist regimes and ideologues such as Karl Marx were the biggest adversaries to religion, because they wanted people to have nothing to trust in other than the state. Coincidentally most atheists today are also progressives who look to "science" and government to offer them meaning.

I fear the popularity of attacking religion is being primarily influenced by cultural Marxism and progressivism, and just like the Soviet Union, the end result won't be pretty.

I share your fear. One of the common arguments against religion is that it's an old idea that is worn out, unevolved. Folks mouthing that argument fail to see that they themselves are latching onto old worn out ideas. They seem to think they are more modern about it, that they are choosing to dismiss God and instead choosing the State, but it's really the same old thing.

I know plenty of atheists, and I never heard one of them say being old or worn out was the problem they had with religion. What I hear is that they have never seen a logical or rational reason to believe in any religion. It has nothing to do with the state or anything else. You really should actually talk to an atheist to find out what they think instead of just mouthing words you heard from others who never talk to atheists either.

I've asked several atheists this question. It took a little work, but I eventually got the same answer from all of them. When you boil it all down, they reject God because accepting Him would place restrictions on their behavior. The one most often cited was sexual behavior. What does that say about atheists? Hardy the bastions of rational thought we've all been led to believe in. All this time, they've been thinking with their...

You are lying. It's that simple, you are lying. There is no reason why a belief in god would preclude sex. You are just spouting a common belief among people like you that you assign to atheists.

 

[LittleNipper]

Why is it so trendy today to attack religion? Historically communist regimes and ideologues such as Karl Marx were the biggest adversaries to religion, because they wanted people to have nothing to trust in other than the state. Coincidentally most atheists today are also progressives who look to "science" and government to offer them meaning.

I fear the popularity of attacking religion is being primarily influenced by cultural Marxism and progressivism, and just like the Soviet Union, the end result won't be pretty.

I share your fear. One of the common arguments against religion is that it's an old idea that is worn out, unevolved. Folks mouthing that argument fail to see that they themselves are latching onto old worn out ideas. They seem to think they are more modern about it, that they are choosing to dismiss God and instead choosing the State, but it's really the same old thing.

I know plenty of atheists, and I never heard one of them say being old or worn out was the problem they had with religion. What I hear is that they have never seen a logical or rational reason to believe in any religion. It has nothing to do with the state or anything else. You really should actually talk to an atheist to find out what they think instead of just mouthing words you heard from others who never talk to atheists either.

I've asked several atheists this question. It took a little work, but I eventually got the same answer from all of them. When you boil it all down, they reject God because accepting Him would place restrictions on their behavior. The one most often cited was sexual behavior. What does that say about atheists? Hardy the bastions of rational thought we've all been led to believe in. All this time, they've been thinking with their...

You are lying. It's that simple, you are lying. There is no reason why a belief in god would preclude sex. You are just spouting a common belief among people like you that you assign to atheists.

So, when did GAY "marriage" become an issue? Before or after Prayer & Bible reading were publicly rejected from Public school. Before or after Bible Clubs were ended and Rainbow Clubs became promoted? Are there more or fewer school pregnancies NOW or then?

PS> Whatever happened to the pictures of Washington and Lincoln that once hung in every classroom? A lot has changed. Scouts could bring their penknives to class as long as they didn't play with them. Many dads were hunters and yet I don't remember any student being shot in public school.

Without GOD, all there is to consider is SEX, DRUGS, DRINK, and Excitement. Because there is nothing else without GOD to live for.

 

[Lutroo]

Why is it so trendy today to attack religion? Historically communist regimes and ideologues such as Karl Marx were the biggest adversaries to religion, because they wanted people to have nothing to trust in other than the state. Coincidentally most atheists today are also progressives who look to "science" and government to offer them meaning.

I fear the popularity of attacking religion is being primarily influenced by cultural Marxism and progressivism, and just like the Soviet Union, the end result won't be pretty.

I share your fear. One of the common arguments against religion is that it's an old idea that is worn out, unevolved. Folks mouthing that argument fail to see that they themselves are latching onto old worn out ideas. They seem to think they are more modern about it, that they are choosing to dismiss God and instead choosing the State, but it's really the same old thing.

I know plenty of atheists, and I never heard one of them say being old or worn out was the problem they had with religion. What I hear is that they have never seen a logical or rational reason to believe in any religion. It has nothing to do with the state or anything else. You really should actually talk to an atheist to find out what they think instead of just mouthing words you heard from others who never talk to atheists either.

I've asked several atheists this question. It took a little work, but I eventually got the same answer from all of them. When you boil it all down, they reject God because accepting Him would place restrictions on their behavior. The one most often cited was sexual behavior. What does that say about atheists? Hardy the bastions of rational thought we've all been led to believe in. All this time, they've been thinking with their...

You are lying. It's that simple, you are lying. There is no reason why a belief in god would preclude sex. You are just spouting a common belief among people like you that you assign to atheists.

So, when did GAY "marriage" become an issue? Before or after Prayer & Bible reading were publicly rejected from Public school? Before or after Bible Clubs were ended and Rainbow Clubs became promoted? Are there more or fewer school pregnancies NOW or then?

PS> Whatever happened to the pictures of Washington and Lincoln that once hung in every classroom? A lot has changed. Scouts could bring their penknives to class as long as they didn't play with them. Many dads were hunters and yet I don't remember any student being shot in public school.

Without GOD, all there is to consider is SEX, DRUGS, DRINK, and Excitement. Because there is nothing else without GOD to live for.

BINGO! Well said. But there are those who will never get it.

 

[Lutroo]

Why is it so trendy today to attack religion? Historically communist regimes and ideologues such as Karl Marx were the biggest adversaries to religion, because they wanted people to have nothing to trust in other than the state. Coincidentally most atheists today are also progressives who look to "science" and government to offer them meaning.

I fear the popularity of attacking religion is being primarily influenced by cultural Marxism and progressivism, and just like the Soviet Union, the end result won't be pretty.

I share your fear. One of the common arguments against religion is that it's an old idea that is worn out, unevolved. Folks mouthing that argument fail to see that they themselves are latching onto old worn out ideas. They seem to think they are more modern about it, that they are choosing to dismiss God and instead choosing the State, but it's really the same old thing.

I know plenty of atheists, and I never heard one of them say being old or worn out was the problem they had with religion. What I hear is that they have never seen a logical or rational reason to believe in any religion. It has nothing to do with the state or anything else. You really should actually talk to an atheist to find out what they think instead of just mouthing words you heard from others who never talk to atheists either.

I've asked several atheists this question. It took a little work, but I eventually got the same answer from all of them. When you boil it all down, they reject God because accepting Him would place restrictions on their behavior. The one most often cited was sexual behavior. What does that say about atheists? Hardy the bastions of rational thought we've all been led to believe in. All this time, they've been thinking with their...

You are lying. It's that simple, you are lying. There is no reason why a belief in god would preclude sex. You are just spouting a common belief among people like you that you assign to atheists.

LOL! Way to try to put words in my mouth, but that is not what I said. I was referring to extra-marital sex, as well as every other type of sexual perversion. You see, sex is something that should be reserved for marriage. There are very good reasons for this. Let's see if you can think of just one of them.

 

[sealybobo]

For well over 100 years, most public schools had opening exercises which included the Pledge of Allegiance, a national song (America the Beautiful, Oh Columbia the Gem of the Ocean, The Star Spangled Banner, etc.), and a short Bible reading (Usually from the Psalms or Proverbs). Public Schools also had Halloween costume parties, Thanksgiving Parties, Christmas Parties with student Carole sings, and Easter egg hunts. There were Jews, Catholics, atheists, Mormons and Protestants in the same classrooms. NO ONE was made to participate, but everyone had something to look forward to.

Today, public school is a drudge of what is NOT OK to present, talk about, discuss, and represent. What's to enjoy?

How about focus on math and science and cut the bullshit. No wonder we're so dumb

 

[koshergrl]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

This fails as a confirmation bias fallacy – the case can also be made that Christianity was anathema to the scientific method.

That particular case would be impossible to prove.

Science vs. Religion: Study’s Surprising Finds About Christianity and Science

If you did a little research, you would find that the Christian faith played a significant role in developing modern science. In fact, many of the greatest scientists who ever lived were Christians.

Here's a short list.

1. Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
   Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.
2. Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
   Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)
3. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
   Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!
4. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
   Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.
5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
   Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous "I think therefore I am". Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era.
6. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
   
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   Pascal was a French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer and theologian. In mathematics, he published a treatise on the subject of projective geometry and established the foundation for probability theory. Pascal invented a mechanical calculator, and established the principles of vacuums and the pressure of air. He was raised a Roman Catholic, but in 1654 had a religious vision of God, which turned the direction of his study from science to theology. Pascal began publishing a theological work, Lettres provinciales, in 1656. His most influential theological work, the Pensées ("Thoughts"), was a defense of Christianity, which was published after his death. The most famous concept from Pensées was Pascal's Wager. Pascal's last words were, "May God never abandon me."
7. Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
   In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God was essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."
8. Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
   One of the founders and key early members of the Royal Society, Boyle gave his name to "Boyle's Law" for gases, and also wrote an important work on chemistry. Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "By his will he endowed a series of Boyle lectures, or sermons, which still continue, 'for proving the Christian religion against notorious infidels...' As a devout Protestant, Boyle took a special interest in promoting the Christian religion abroad, giving money to translate and publish the New Testament into Irish and Turkish. In 1690 he developed his theological views in The Christian Virtuoso, which he wrote to show that the study of nature was a central religious duty." Boyle wrote against atheists in his day (the notion that atheism is a modern invention is a myth), and was clearly much more devoutly Christian than the average in his era.
9. Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
   Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.
10. Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
    Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.
11. William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
    Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions." Lord Kelvin was an Old Earth creationist, who estimated the Earth's age to be somewhere between 20 million and 100 million years, with an upper limit at 500 million years based on cooling rates (a low estimate due to his lack of knowledge about radiogenic heating).
12. Max Planck (1858-1947)
    Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God!"
13. Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
    Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

You're barking up the wrong tree, son. Best quit before you make a fool of yourself.

the brothers Chudnovsky, who brought us modern day genetic coding and a variety of other amazing breakthroughs via their amazing mathematic.prowess and computer brilliance, are Orthodox Christians.They believe pi reflects the mind of God. I agree.

 

[Lutroo]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

This fails as a confirmation bias fallacy – the case can also be made that Christianity was anathema to the scientific method.

That particular case would be impossible to prove.

Science vs. Religion: Study’s Surprising Finds About Christianity and Science

If you did a little research, you would find that the Christian faith played a significant role in developing modern science. In fact, many of the greatest scientists who ever lived were Christians.

Here's a short list.

1. Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
   Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.
2. Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
   Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)
3. Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
   Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!
4. Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
   Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.
5. Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
   Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous "I think therefore I am". Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era.
6. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
   
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   Pascal was a French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer and theologian. In mathematics, he published a treatise on the subject of projective geometry and established the foundation for probability theory. Pascal invented a mechanical calculator, and established the principles of vacuums and the pressure of air. He was raised a Roman Catholic, but in 1654 had a religious vision of God, which turned the direction of his study from science to theology. Pascal began publishing a theological work, Lettres provinciales, in 1656. His most influential theological work, the Pensées ("Thoughts"), was a defense of Christianity, which was published after his death. The most famous concept from Pensées was Pascal's Wager. Pascal's last words were, "May God never abandon me."
7. Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
   In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God was essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."
8. Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
   One of the founders and key early members of the Royal Society, Boyle gave his name to "Boyle's Law" for gases, and also wrote an important work on chemistry. Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "By his will he endowed a series of Boyle lectures, or sermons, which still continue, 'for proving the Christian religion against notorious infidels...' As a devout Protestant, Boyle took a special interest in promoting the Christian religion abroad, giving money to translate and publish the New Testament into Irish and Turkish. In 1690 he developed his theological views in The Christian Virtuoso, which he wrote to show that the study of nature was a central religious duty." Boyle wrote against atheists in his day (the notion that atheism is a modern invention is a myth), and was clearly much more devoutly Christian than the average in his era.
9. Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
   Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.
10. Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
    Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.
11. William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
    Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions." Lord Kelvin was an Old Earth creationist, who estimated the Earth's age to be somewhere between 20 million and 100 million years, with an upper limit at 500 million years based on cooling rates (a low estimate due to his lack of knowledge about radiogenic heating).
12. Max Planck (1858-1947)
    Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God!"
13. Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
    Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

You're barking up the wrong tree, son. Best quit before you make a fool of yourself.

the brothers Chudnovsky, who brought us modern day genetic coding and a variety of other amazing breakthroughs via their amazing mathematic.prowess and computer brilliance, are Orthodox Christians.They believe pi reflects the mind of God. I agree.

And Pi is not the only transcendental number. There are an infinite number of them. A whole lot of things that science will never be able to explain. Self awareness, for one. We have made great strides in understanding how the brain works. But it is becoming increasingly clear that there is a non physical element to consciousness. Scientists don't like this, because they not only don't understand it, they can't freakin MEASURE it! That just has to drive them batty.

 

[sealybobo]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

You don't get to claim not to be anti science when you are, or claim you weren't when you were.

My guess is you've never seen The Cosmos? They explain the history between religion and science. Yes religion adapts and evolves with the times. Remember Christians 100 years ago didn't believe blacks and Indians were human. The Catholic Church burned Giordano Bruno for telling the truth and you can't suggest the churches were as liberal and open minded as they are today.

The church had to soften and change with the times or they'd lose all their members.

Remember some Christians think the world is 5000 years old. 100 years ago 100% believed that. Today 25% believe that

 

[Lutroo]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

You don't get to claim not to be anti science when you are, or claim you weren't when you were.

My guess is you've never seen The Cosmos? They explain the history between religion and science. Yes religion adapts and evolves with the times. Remember Christians 100 years ago didn't believe blacks and Indians were human. The Catholic Church burned Giordano Bruno for telling the truth and you can't suggest the churches were as liberal and open minded as they are today.

The church had to soften and change with the times or they'd lose all their members.

Remember some Christians think the world is 5000 years old. 100 years ago 100% believed that. Today 25% believe that

First of all, you are confusing the catholic church with Christians. The catholic church is a pagan religion, instituted by Emperor Constantine. It has many Pagan practices, and also teaches many other things that are not Biblical. Christianity was around centuries before the "church" was a gleam in Constantine's eye. I'm not aware of any Christians who thought blacks or Indians were not human. I'm sure there were people claiming to be Christians who thought that way, but they were not Christians. I would bet my life on that. I would also bet my life on the fact that you never tell the truth where Christianity is concerned.

 

[sealybobo]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

You don't get to claim not to be anti science when you are, or claim you weren't when you were.

My guess is you've never seen The Cosmos? They explain the history between religion and science. Yes religion adapts and evolves with the times. Remember Christians 100 years ago didn't believe blacks and Indians were human. The Catholic Church burned Giordano Bruno for telling the truth and you can't suggest the churches were as liberal and open minded as they are today.

The church had to soften and change with the times or they'd lose all their members.

Remember some Christians think the world is 5000 years old. 100 years ago 100% believed that. Today 25% believe that

First of all, you are confusing the catholic church with Christians. The catholic church is a pagan religion, instituted by Emperor Constantine. It has many Pagan practices, and also teaches many other things that are not Biblical. Christianity was around centuries before the "church" was a gleam in Constantine's eye. I'm not aware of any Christians who thought blacks or Indians were not human. I'm sure there were people claiming to be Christians who thought that way, but they were not Christians. I would bet my life on that. I would also bet my life on the fact that you never tell the truth where Christianity is concerned.

Catholics would disagree.

And many white Christian Americans believed blacks were not human. Not 100% human. But we like to white wash our history and forget those civil war slave owning southerners were Christians and the racism lasted at least till the 1960s. At least!

 

[Lutroo]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

You don't get to claim not to be anti science when you are, or claim you weren't when you were.

My guess is you've never seen The Cosmos? They explain the history between religion and science. Yes religion adapts and evolves with the times. Remember Christians 100 years ago didn't believe blacks and Indians were human. The Catholic Church burned Giordano Bruno for telling the truth and you can't suggest the churches were as liberal and open minded as they are today.

The church had to soften and change with the times or they'd lose all their members.

Remember some Christians think the world is 5000 years old. 100 years ago 100% believed that. Today 25% believe that

First of all, you are confusing the catholic church with Christians. The catholic church is a pagan religion, instituted by Emperor Constantine. It has many Pagan practices, and also teaches many other things that are not Biblical. Christianity was around centuries before the "church" was a gleam in Constantine's eye. I'm not aware of any Christians who thought blacks or Indians were not human. I'm sure there were people claiming to be Christians who thought that way, but they were not Christians. I would bet my life on that. I would also bet my life on the fact that you never tell the truth where Christianity is concerned.

Catholics would disagree.

And many white Christian Americans believed blacks were not human. Not 100% human. But we like to white wash our history and forget those civil war slave owning southerners were Christians and the racism lasted at least till the 1960s. At least!

Anyone who believes that another person is sub human is NOT a Christian! Period! Anyone who does not believe that one who believes in God and has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior is a brother or sister in Christ, no matter the color of their skin, is NOT a Christian! To claim otherwise is a sure sign of a mental defect in the one making such an observation.

 

[sealybobo]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

You don't get to claim not to be anti science when you are, or claim you weren't when you were.

My guess is you've never seen The Cosmos? They explain the history between religion and science. Yes religion adapts and evolves with the times. Remember Christians 100 years ago didn't believe blacks and Indians were human. The Catholic Church burned Giordano Bruno for telling the truth and you can't suggest the churches were as liberal and open minded as they are today.

The church had to soften and change with the times or they'd lose all their members.

Remember some Christians think the world is 5000 years old. 100 years ago 100% believed that. Today 25% believe that

First of all, you are confusing the catholic church with Christians. The catholic church is a pagan religion, instituted by Emperor Constantine. It has many Pagan practices, and also teaches many other things that are not Biblical. Christianity was around centuries before the "church" was a gleam in Constantine's eye. I'm not aware of any Christians who thought blacks or Indians were not human. I'm sure there were people claiming to be Christians who thought that way, but they were not Christians. I would bet my life on that. I would also bet my life on the fact that you never tell the truth where Christianity is concerned.

Catholics would disagree.

And many white Christian Americans believed blacks were not human. Not 100% human. But we like to white wash our history and forget those civil war slave owning southerners were Christians and the racism lasted at least till the 1960s. At least!

Anyone who believes that another person is sub human is NOT a Christian! Period! Anyone who does not believe that one who believes in God and has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior is a brother or sister in Christ, no matter the color of their skin, is NOT a Christian! To claim otherwise is a sure sign of a mental defect in the one making such an observation.

That's what you think but there are plenty of white Christians who disagree with you.

You don't get to decide what a Christian is. All you Presbyterian Lutheran Protestants Baptist Mormons Catholics non denomination Greek Orthodox all believe different things. I'm glad your church never thought blacks Indians and Mexicans were sub human. What denomination are you?

 

[Lutroo]

One could also make the case that the scientific method would not even exist without Christianity. Most of the early scientific community believed in God. They believed that the universe was an orderly place, because God had created it. They believed that a systematic investigation would reveal some of the secrets of Gods creation. Thus, the scientific method, and modern science, was born.

Remember this, next time someone claims that Christians are anti-science.

You don't get to claim not to be anti science when you are, or claim you weren't when you were.

My guess is you've never seen The Cosmos? They explain the history between religion and science. Yes religion adapts and evolves with the times. Remember Christians 100 years ago didn't believe blacks and Indians were human. The Catholic Church burned Giordano Bruno for telling the truth and you can't suggest the churches were as liberal and open minded as they are today.

The church had to soften and change with the times or they'd lose all their members.

Remember some Christians think the world is 5000 years old. 100 years ago 100% believed that. Today 25% believe that

First of all, you are confusing the catholic church with Christians. The catholic church is a pagan religion, instituted by Emperor Constantine. It has many Pagan practices, and also teaches many other things that are not Biblical. Christianity was around centuries before the "church" was a gleam in Constantine's eye. I'm not aware of any Christians who thought blacks or Indians were not human. I'm sure there were people claiming to be Christians who thought that way, but they were not Christians. I would bet my life on that. I would also bet my life on the fact that you never tell the truth where Christianity is concerned.

Catholics would disagree.

And many white Christian Americans believed blacks were not human. Not 100% human. But we like to white wash our history and forget those civil war slave owning southerners were Christians and the racism lasted at least till the 1960s. At least!

Anyone who believes that another person is sub human is NOT a Christian! Period! Anyone who does not believe that one who believes in God and has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior is a brother or sister in Christ, no matter the color of their skin, is NOT a Christian! To claim otherwise is a sure sign of a mental defect in the one making such an observation.

That's what you think but there are plenty of white Christians who disagree with you.

You don't get to decide what a Christian is. All you Presbyterian Lutheran Protestants Baptist Mormons Catholics non denomination Greek Orthodox all believe different things. I'm glad your church never thought blacks Indians and Mexicans were sub human. What denomination are you?

Allow me to point out an error in your thinking. All christian denominations agree 100 percent on just about everything. Almost all of them agree on the core teachings of Christ. There is little, or no dispute about that.

Having said that, I would like you to point out which verse in the Bible says that anyone is sub human. Can't find one? Well, imagine that. The Bible doesn't teach it. Therefore, anyone who believes it does not believe the Bible when it says that we are brothers and sisters in Christ. Not shut your ignorant yap before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

 

[MisterBeale]

For well over 100 years, most public schools had opening exercises which included the Pledge of Allegiance, a national song (America the Beautiful, Oh Columbia the Gem of the Ocean, The Star Spangled Banner, etc.), and a short Bible reading (Usually from the Psalms or Proverbs). Public Schools also had Halloween costume parties, Thanksgiving Parties, Christmas Parties with student Carole sings, and Easter egg hunts. There were Jews, Catholics, atheists, Mormons and Protestants in the same classrooms. NO ONE was made to participate, but everyone had something to look forward to.

Today, public school is a drudge of what is NOT OK to present, talk about, discuss, and represent. What's to enjoy?

How about focus on math and science and cut the bullshit. No wonder we're so dumb

I agree.


I tell my son when ever that "Channel One" propaganda in his school is turned on, to just open up a book and ignore it.

 

[BULLDOG]

Why is it so trendy today to attack religion? Historically communist regimes and ideologues such as Karl Marx were the biggest adversaries to religion, because they wanted people to have nothing to trust in other than the state. Coincidentally most atheists today are also progressives who look to "science" and government to offer them meaning.

I fear the popularity of attacking religion is being primarily influenced by cultural Marxism and progressivism, and just like the Soviet Union, the end result won't be pretty.

I share your fear. One of the common arguments against religion is that it's an old idea that is worn out, unevolved. Folks mouthing that argument fail to see that they themselves are latching onto old worn out ideas. They seem to think they are more modern about it, that they are choosing to dismiss God and instead choosing the State, but it's really the same old thing.

I know plenty of atheists, and I never heard one of them say being old or worn out was the problem they had with religion. What I hear is that they have never seen a logical or rational reason to believe in any religion. It has nothing to do with the state or anything else. You really should actually talk to an atheist to find out what they think instead of just mouthing words you heard from others who never talk to atheists either.

I've asked several atheists this question. It took a little work, but I eventually got the same answer from all of them. When you boil it all down, they reject God because accepting Him would place restrictions on their behavior. The one most often cited was sexual behavior. What does that say about atheists? Hardy the bastions of rational thought we've all been led to believe in. All this time, they've been thinking with their...

You are lying. It's that simple, you are lying. There is no reason why a belief in god would preclude sex. You are just spouting a common belief among people like you that you assign to atheists.

So, when did GAY "marriage" become an issue? Before or after Prayer & Bible reading were publicly rejected from Public school. Before or after Bible Clubs were ended and Rainbow Clubs became promoted? Are there more or fewer school pregnancies NOW or then?

PS> Whatever happened to the pictures of Washington and Lincoln that once hung in every classroom? A lot has changed. Scouts could bring their penknives to class as long as they didn't play with them. Many dads were hunters and yet I don't remember any student being shot in public school.

Without GOD, all there is to consider is SEX, DRUGS, DRINK, and Excitement. Because there is nothing else without GOD to live for.

Great how you attempt to link totally unrelated things. When did AIDS become an epidemic, before or after Beatles broke up, or when did Vietnam become an issue for countless young people before or after Ricky Valence died? Using your logic, the only thing keeping us alive is the fact that the Rolling Stones are still making music. If you think there is nothing to life but church, Sex,,Drugs, Drink, and excitement, then you are pathetically wasting your life. You are free to have pictures of any president you want.