Hawaii governor signs transgender protections into law

[Stann]

HE should not have been given one dime for that, and whoever decided to give HIM that money, ought to be fired.

The jury decided that. 12 Americans. People instinctively know what is right and what is wrong. You can't feel very good about yourself, spouting all this hatred.

 

[protectionist]

No you keep saying things that make you sound crazy. I know hatred and prejudice when I see it, and that is what you are preaching here, whether you're know it or not. Try to have a good night, I plan on it.

No, what I' saying is sane. the reason why you think it sounds crazy is because YOU are crazy. And you can quit trying to hide behind the "hatred and prejudice" shield, It is ridiculous.

 

[protectionist]

I'm glad the psychologist and doctors don't agree with you.

What makes you think that ?

Time out. I'm hungry ; time for a sandwich.

 

[Stann]

What makes you think that ?

Time out. I'm hungry ; time for a sandwich.

I think you need to read up on the subject in order to be informed. Please choose legitimate sites. Like the AMA and the APA. The internet is a source of many facts but also a lot of misinformation out there under the guise of official-sounding names. It's late, I'm going to bed. Good night and good luck. Hopefully it will improve your negative attitude.

 

[protectionist]

The jury decided that. 12 Americans. People instinctively know what is right and what is wrong. You can't feel very good about yourself, spouting all this hatred.

I feel fine, and I suspect that YOU do not feel good about the lunacy that you are spouting here, because like most all gays, deep down, you know you are living a lie. Just like all the lie livers who engage in so-called "Pride" parades.

"Pride"! What in the world is there to be proud of ? Being a sex pervert ? The whole "Pride" thing complete with a specially designed flag, is really a SHAME thing, designed to cover up the shame of the foolishness.

 

[protectionist]

I think you need to read up on the subject in order to be informed. Please choose legitimate sites. Like the AMA and the APA. The internet is a source of many facts but also a lot of misinformation out there under the guise of official-sounding names. It's late, I'm going to bed. Good night and good luck. Hopefully it will improve your negative attitude.

Stay up for one more post - I'm going to educate you about the APA. and then YOU will be "informed" >>>

First published in 1968, DSM-II (the second edition of the American classiifcation of mental disorders) listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In this, the DSM followed in a long tradition in medicine and psychiatry, which in the 19th century appropriated homosexuality from the Church and, in an élan of enlightenment, promoted it from sin to mental disorder.

In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality from the DSM, and 3,810 to retain it.

But there's much more to it than just that.

Instead of simply doing things democratically and properly, the APA pretty much caved in to threats and intimidation from radical homosexual activists.

Here’s what actually happened, according to the August 23, 1971 edition of Newsweek (cited here),

… it is the psychiatrists who have experienced the full rage of the homosexual activists. Over the past two years, gay-lib organizations have repeatedly disrupted medical meetings, and three months ago – in the movements most aggressive demonstration so far – a group of 30 militants broke into a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association in Washington, where they turned the staid proceedings into near chaos for twenty minutes. ‘We are here to denounce your authority to call us sick or mentally disordered,’ shouted the group’s leader, Dr. Franklin Kameny, while the 2,000 shocked psychiatrists looked on in disbelief. ‘For us, as homosexuals, your profession is the enemy incarnate. We demand that psychiatrists treat us as human beings, not as patients to be cured!’
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And that was just the beginning according to author Ryan Sorba. Citing pages 130-131 of The Gay Crusaders, a history of the homosexual movement authored by homosexual activists Kay Tobin and Randy Wicker, Sorba writes,

On June 7, 1971, Franklin Kameny wrote a letter to the Psychiatric News threatening the APA with not only more, but worse, disruptions. In this letter he states, “Our presence there was only the beginning of an increasingly intensive campaign by homosexuals to change the approach of psychiatry toward homosexuality or, failing that, to discredit psychiatry.”

Following these threats the APA’s Board of Trustees decided to remove homosexuality from its official list of psychiatric disorders.

It is interesting that the three great pioneers of psychiatry – Freud, Jung and Adler – all saw homosexuality as disordered. And, while it is true that by the 1970s many psychiatrists had a different opinion, it was not science that ultimately settled the question; it was threats and intimidation.

Second, it was impossible that any truly impartial review of the literature could have missed the elevated levels of alcoholism, drug dependency, depression and suicide among homosexuals. It was simply preposterous for psychiatrists to claim that these either did not exist, or that they did exist but were not symptomatic of some kind of deeper disorder.

Third, the reference completely minimizes the intensity of the multi-year attack against psychiatry that was being waged by homosexual activists. Read the history of these attacks, beginning here (link below), and running for a total of 5 pages: Psychiatrists were being branded as “war criminals” and “the enemy incarnate” – and that was just the polite talk. These were a people under siege and they all knew it.

Fourth, the vote, when it finally did come, was 5,854 to 3,810 in favor of removing homosexuality from the list of disorders. What was not mentioned was that 17,905 members of the APA were eligible to vote and that 8,241 of them chose not to cast a ballot. In other words, the yeas represented less than a third (32.7%) of the APA membership. Obviously, the 8,241 (almost half the entire membership abstaining under pressure, were no votes, which is why they abstained).

Fifth, as the above reference mentions, the vote was partially controlled by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGTLF). The NGTLF was able to obtain APA member addresses and, without identifying itself as an organization, send out letters to all members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality from the list of disorders. Bruce Voeller, the head of the NGTLF admits, “Our costly letter has perhaps made the difference.”

https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf#page=20
Eight psychiatrists are called for a new referendum by the American Psychiatric Association on homosexuality, to invalidate an earlier vote they contend was improperly influenced by a letter signed by top association leaders but conceived and paid for by the National Task Force.

The letter urged upholding a decision of the board of trustees to stop listing “homosexuality per se” as a mental illness. The eventual vote last month was 5,854 in favor to 3,810, out of 17,910 eligible voters. The trustees’ action and the vote upholding it have been hailed by homosexual groups as significant recognition of an Individual's right to select his sexual life‐style.
‘Knowledge Sacrificed’
The leader of the group of eight psychiatrists, Dr. Charles W, Socarides, clinical associate professor at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, contended in an interview last week that deleting homosexuality from mental illness listings “sacrificed our scientific knowledge.” He said it was like the Soviet distortion of genetics for political purposes during the Stalin era.
The Gay Task Force, formed last October to “work for liberation of gay people and change in public attitudes,” acknowledges that it raised $3,000 to print and mail the letter signed by the three candidates for president of the association and two incumbent vice presidents.

Ronald Gold, public relations director for the Gay Task Force, also confirmed that the task force had suggested contributions be sent through St. Mary's Episcopal Church in Harlem, a task force sponsor, as a way to get tax deductibility.
He declared that similar letters for various causes went out daily “from famous people” without the actual drafters being identified.
Dr. Socarides argued that the leaders’ letter “should have said it was sponsored by the Gay Task Force—otherwise it was a totally deceptive and misleading document.” He held it probably had influenced some members in “a dishonest vote which does not fairly re fleet the true opinions of majority of psychiatrists.”
In Los Angeles, Dr. Judd Marmor, who has since won the election and is presidentelect, said he and the four other signers had agreed on the letter as upholding the trustees and also representing their views.
Dr. Marmor, who is chairman of the department of psychiatry at the University of Southern California, said “we think it would have been more correct” for the Gay Task Force to identify itself as the mailer. The task force, he said “paid for it—we were in no position to do so.”

​

In an exchange of letters on the controversy to be published in a June issue of the association's newsletter, Dr. Marmor said, “We agree, however, that some guidelines ought to be established to prevent such misunderstanding in the future.” He disclosed that a special group had been set up to report on referendum guidelines.​

The dissidents originally asked the association on March 21 for an investigation of the Gay Task Force role, and on May 13 formally petitioned to have the entire voting membership notified about “this impropriety” and be given new referendum “as soon as possible.”

The APA then compromised, removing homosexuality from the DSM but replacing it, in effect, with "sexual orientation disturbance" for people "in conflict with" their sexual orientation. Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM.

Meanwhile, the World Health Organization (WHO) only removed homosexuality from its ICD classification with the publication of ICD-10 in 1992, although ICD-10 still carries the construct of "ego-dystonic sexual orientation". In this condition, the person is not in doubt about his or her sexual preference, but "wishes it were different because of associated psychological and behavioural disorders".

When Homosexuality Stopped Being a Mental Disorder​

Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[Stann]

I feel fine, and I suspect that YOU do not feel good about the lunacy that you are spouting here, because like most all gays, deep down, you know you are living a lie. Just like all the lie livers who engage in so-called "Pride" parades.

"Pride"! What in the world is there to be proud of ? Being a sex pervert ? The whole "Pride" thing complete with a specially designed flag, is really a SHAME thing, designed to cover up the shame of the foolishness.

I am 71 years old, I've had a good and full life because I did not live a lie. Because you seem fixated on this idea, that makes me question if you've been living a lie. At any rate I'm beginning to pity you. Please get some sleep and think about all the garbage you spewed out here tonight. The more important question is why.

 

[Stann]

Stay up for one more post - I'm going to educate you about the APA. and then YOU will be "informed" >>>

First published in 1968, DSM-II (the second edition of the American classiifcation of mental disorders) listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In this, the DSM followed in a long tradition in medicine and psychiatry, which in the 19th century appropriated homosexuality from the Church and, in an élan of enlightenment, promoted it from sin to mental disorder.

In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality from the DSM, and 3,810 to retain it.

But there's much more to it than just that.

Instead of simply doing things democratically and properly, the APA pretty much caved in to threats and intimidation from radical homosexual activists.

Here’s what actually happened, according to the August 23, 1971 edition of Newsweek (cited here),


And that was just the beginning according to author Ryan Sorba. Citing pages 130-131 of The Gay Crusaders, a history of the homosexual movement authored by homosexual activists Kay Tobin and Randy Wicker, Sorba writes,


Following these threats the APA’s Board of Trustees decided to remove homosexuality from its official list of psychiatric disorders.

It is interesting that the three great pioneers of psychiatry – Freud, Jung and Adler – all saw homosexuality as disordered. And, while it is true that by the 1970s many psychiatrists had a different opinion, it was not science that ultimately settled the question; it was threats and intimidation.

Second, it was impossible that any truly impartial review of the literature could have missed the elevated levels of alcoholism, drug dependency, depression and suicide among homosexuals. It was simply preposterous for psychiatrists to claim that these either did not exist, or that they did exist but were not symptomatic of some kind of deeper disorder.

Third, the reference completely minimizes the intensity of the multi-year attack against psychiatry that was being waged by homosexual activists. Read the history of these attacks, beginning here (link below), and running for a total of 5 pages: Psychiatrists were being branded as “war criminals” and “the enemy incarnate” – and that was just the polite talk. These were a people under siege and they all knew it.

Fourth, the vote, when it finally did come, was 5,854 to 3,810 in favor of removing homosexuality from the list of disorders. What was not mentioned was that 17,905 members of the APA were eligible to vote and that 8,241 of them chose not to cast a ballot. In other words, the yeas represented less than a third (32.7%) of the APA membership. Obviously, the 8,241 (almost half the entire membership abstaining under pressure, were no votes, which is why they abstained).

Fifth, as the above reference mentions, the vote was partially controlled by the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGTLF). The NGTLF was able to obtain APA member addresses and, without identifying itself as an organization, send out letters to all members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality from the list of disorders. Bruce Voeller, the head of the NGTLF admits, “Our costly letter has perhaps made the difference.”

https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf#page=20
Eight psychiatrists are called for a new referendum by the American Psychiatric Association on homosexuality, to invalidate an earlier vote they contend was improperly influenced by a letter signed by top association leaders but conceived and paid for by the National Task Force.

The letter urged upholding a decision of the board of trustees to stop listing “homosexuality per se” as a mental illness. The eventual vote last month was 5,854 in favor to 3,810, out of 17,910 eligible voters. The trustees’ action and the vote upholding it have been hailed by homosexual groups as significant recognition of an Individual's right to select his sexual life‐style.
‘Knowledge Sacrificed’
The leader of the group of eight psychiatrists, Dr. Charles W, Socarides, clinical associate professor at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, contended in an interview last week that deleting homosexuality from mental illness listings “sacrificed our scientific knowledge.” He said it was like the Soviet distortion of genetics for political purposes during the Stalin era.
The Gay Task Force, formed last October to “work for liberation of gay people and change in public attitudes,” acknowledges that it raised $3,000 to print and mail the letter signed by the three candidates for president of the association and two incumbent vice presidents.

Ronald Gold, public relations director for the Gay Task Force, also confirmed that the task force had suggested contributions be sent through St. Mary's Episcopal Church in Harlem, a task force sponsor, as a way to get tax deductibility.
He declared that similar letters for various causes went out daily “from famous people” without the actual drafters being identified.
Dr. Socarides argued that the leaders’ letter “should have said it was sponsored by the Gay Task Force—otherwise it was a totally deceptive and misleading document.” He held it probably had influenced some members in “a dishonest vote which does not fairly re fleet the true opinions of majority of psychiatrists.”
In Los Angeles, Dr. Judd Marmor, who has since won the election and is presidentelect, said he and the four other signers had agreed on the letter as upholding the trustees and also representing their views.
Dr. Marmor, who is chairman of the department of psychiatry at the University of Southern California, said “we think it would have been more correct” for the Gay Task Force to identify itself as the mailer. The task force, he said “paid for it—we were in no position to do so.”

​

In an exchange of letters on the controversy to be published in a June issue of the association's newsletter, Dr. Marmor said, “We agree, however, that some guidelines ought to be established to prevent such misunderstanding in the future.” He disclosed that a special group had been set up to report on referendum guidelines.​

The dissidents originally asked the association on March 21 for an investigation of the Gay Task Force role, and on May 13 formally petitioned to have the entire voting membership notified about “this impropriety” and be given new referendum “as soon as possible.”

The APA then compromised, removing homosexuality from the DSM but replacing it, in effect, with "sexual orientation disturbance" for people "in conflict with" their sexual orientation. Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM.

Meanwhile, the World Health Organization (WHO) only removed homosexuality from its ICD classification with the publication of ICD-10 in 1992, although ICD-10 still carries the construct of "ego-dystonic sexual orientation". In this condition, the person is not in doubt about his or her sexual preference, but "wishes it were different because of associated psychological and behavioural disorders".

When Homosexuality Stopped Being a Mental Disorder​

Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM.

www.psychologytoday.com

You really have an agenda going here. Hope it works for you.

 

[protectionist]

I am 71 years old, I've had a good and full life because I did not live a lie. Because you seem fixated on this idea, that makes me question if you've been living a lie. At any rate I'm beginning to pity you. Please get some sleep and think about all the garbage you spewed out here tonight. The more important question is why.

Never to old to be in denial.

 

[protectionist]

You really have an agenda going here. Hope it works for you.

No agenda. Just good, cold, hard facts. And yes, that is what 'works"...if you allow them to.

 

[Stann]

Never to old to be in denial.

Yes you are.

 

[Stann]

No agenda. Just good, cold, hard facts. And yes, that is what 'works"...if you allow them to.

I didn't even bother to read those back she posted because you picked the ones that fit your agenda, that's a given. You cannot make a fair assessment of the situation, nor should you, because you have a negative outlook on it to begin with and it's really none of your business. There are too many people like you in the United States at harborillville and hatred towards others they do not understand or care for. That is the reason so many transgender people are attacked and even murdered every year. I really don't understand what your people are afraid of. Something that occurs across cultures and across the ages is not something that is abnormal. In the 1950s people made fun of the " effeminate " and the tomboys stood out among the girls. The last article I read on gender a few years ago listed 52 variations on gender yes we come a long way on our knowledge and we know everyone deserves to be treated with respect and equality. I'm not going to talk to you anymore because you're fixated on this subject I am not and I do choose not to discuss it anymore especially with someone as negative as you are about it. Goodbye.

 

[Stann]

I didn't even bother to read those back she posted because you picked the ones that fit your agenda, that's a given. You cannot make a fair assessment of the situation, nor should you, because you have a negative outlook on it to begin with and it's really none of your business. There are too many people like you in the United States at harborillville and hatred towards others they do not understand or care for. That is the reason so many transgender people are attacked and even murdered every year. I really don't understand what your people are afraid of. Something that occurs across cultures and across the ages is not something that is abnormal. In the 1950s people made fun of the " effeminate " and the tomboys stood out among the girls. The last article I read on gender a few years ago listed 52 variations on gender yes we come a long way on our knowledge and we know everyone deserves to be treated with respect and equality. I'm not going to talk to you anymore because you're fixated on this subject I am not and I do choose not to discuss it anymore especially with someone as negative as you are about it. Goodbye.

I went back to the original post, you are the author of this line and try to put a negative spin on it from the very beginning. I'm done here.

 

[Weatherman2020]

• Hawaii Gov. David Ige (D) late last week signed into law a trio of bills protecting the fundamental rights of LGBTQ+ Hawaiians.
• 
  
• One of the measures prevents health insurance companies from discriminating against transgender people seeking gender-affirming medical care.
• A second piece of legislation states that Hawaiian citizens may not be excluded from juries because of their gender identity or gender expression, and
• a third establishes a state LGBTQ+ commission to better serve LGBTQ+ people in Hawaii.

Well, this will do wonders for Hawaii's tourism won't it ? ....as the islands will be packed with tran loons.

Two words could probably suffice for this >>> Stay away.

MSN

www.msn.com

Medical insurance will fight to not pay your medical bills after you’ve been in a car accident, but they’ll pay to have tit implants put in men.

 

[protectionist]

Medical insurance will fight to not pay your medical bills after you’ve been in a car accident, but they’ll pay to have tit implants put in men.

Insurance companies need better managers. Ones who think.

 

[protectionist]

I didn't even bother to read those back she posted because you picked the ones that fit your agenda, that's a given. You cannot make a fair assessment of the situation, nor should you, because you have a negative outlook on it to begin with and it's really none of your business. There are too many people like you in the United States at harborillville and hatred towards others they do not understand or care for. That is the reason so many transgender people are attacked and even murdered every year. I really don't understand what your people are afraid of. Something that occurs across cultures and across the ages is not something that is abnormal. In the 1950s people made fun of the " effeminate " and the tomboys stood out among the girls. The last article I read on gender a few years ago listed 52 variations on gender yes we come a long way on our knowledge and we know everyone deserves to be treated with respect and equality. I'm not going to talk to you anymore because you're fixated on this subject I am not and I do choose not to discuss it anymore especially with someone as negative as you are about it. Goodbye.

By your mention of "52 variations on gender" that indicates how deeply removed from reality you have allowed yourself to slip. YOU are the one who cannot make a fair (or true) assessment because you have CHOSEN what you want to think/believe.

You can search and grope for rationalizations to support your denial all you want, but you cannot escape the fact that mother nature is the bottom line. Nature's design (the body parts) is for HETEROsexual sex, and none other.

 

[protectionist]

Yes you are.

That's just more of YOUR denial. Ho hum. Yawn****

 

[Weatherman2020]

Insurance companies need better managers. Ones who think.

Insurance companies just say we aren’t covering it. Go talk to our Army of lawyers if you don’t like it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I didn't even bother to read those back she posted because you picked the ones that fit your agenda, that's a given. You cannot make a fair assessment of the situation, nor should you, because you have a negative outlook on it to begin with and it's really none of your business. There are too many people like you in the United States at harborillville and hatred towards others they do not understand or care for. That is the reason so many transgender people are attacked and even murdered every year. I really don't understand what your people are afraid of. Something that occurs across cultures and across the ages is not something that is abnormal. In the 1950s people made fun of the " effeminate " and the tomboys stood out among the girls. The last article I read on gender a few years ago listed 52 variations on gender yes we come a long way on our knowledge and we know everyone deserves to be treated with respect and equality. I'm not going to talk to you anymore because you're fixated on this subject I am not and I do choose not to discuss it anymore especially with someone as negative as you are about it. Goodbye.

Very homophobic of you to not mention the other 1,534 other mental disorders.

 

[Ringo]

WHO updates its widely-used gender mainstreaming manual

The Gender mainstreaming for health managers: a practical approach manual addresses how gender norms, roles and relations affect health-related behaviours and outcomes as well as health sector responses. At the same time, it recognizes that gender inequality is a cross-cutting determinant of...

www.who.int