Healthcare Projected To Cost Near $50 Trillion Over Next Ten Years

[Ambivalent1]

Doesn't change the fact that the rise skyrocketed much quicker after the ACA. I know you're a good little Progressive but since 2013 it's on Barry

Yes let’s ignore everything before 2013. You are a genius...

You're a bright one aren't you? Were your comprehension abilities stronger you might have understood the post. The rate of increase was drastically higher from 2013 on.

Oh? What are the numbers?

LOL, are you trying to say they didn't? I suppose you still think it increased competition too

I’ll wait for the numbers . Go ahead.

HHS shows they"ve doubled son. As for link, Cant do it on my phone. Google healthcare premium
Increase since 2013.

 

[Ambivalent1]

You won't, you are just another lazy one

 

[imawhosure]

Some dupe is going to come along and say that we need to repeal Obamacare to relieve the skyrocketing costs of healthcare.

Of course, the dupe's propagandists depend on the dupe having a memory of a goldfish and not remembering how fast healthcare costs were skyrocketing long before anyone even heard of Barack HUSSEIN Obama:

2 month long wait for heart surgery, here we come!
Hope you dilapidated old fucks can survive!

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

If you read the article, it says most of the increase comes from Medicare and Medicaid - government healthcare, in other words.

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

Wait.

So you're saying that Bernie's Country Wrecking "Medicare for All" will cost $18,000,000,000,000 LESS over 10 years than the current system?

Is that what you're saying?

BTW, only "men" who wear pussyhats block me. True Story

I would like ALL of you to look at the graph that G5000 has in post 2. Take a close look at it!

Now then, ask yourself one VERY IMPORTANT question--------------> WHEN was Medicare created?

ANSWER----------->1965!

Why didn't the G-man have a graph that went back to 1950? 1940? 1930?

ANSWER-----------> Because the cost of healthcare skyrocketed as soon as the GOVERNMENT got involved.

Doubt me?

OK, lets try another test--------------->lets have Gman or some other person, put a graph here, or in a new thread about the cost of higher education-) Look at the line, and then, and then, and then, what happens to that line, as soon as the government gets involved-) It goes STRAIGHT UP, just like healthcare.

These people are trying to MANIPULATE you, they really are. The government CAUSED prices to rise by their non free market INTERFERENCE. Now their solution is--------> MORE INTERFERENCE by the government! It should be way LESS interference by the government!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yes let’s ignore everything before 2013. You are a genius...

You're a bright one aren't you? Were your comprehension abilities stronger you might have understood the post. The rate of increase was drastically higher from 2013 on.

Oh? What are the numbers?

LOL, are you trying to say they didn't? I suppose you still think it increased competition too

I’ll wait for the numbers . Go ahead.

HHS shows they"ve doubled son. As for link, Cant do it on my phone. Google healthcare premium
Increase since 2013.

no link, didn't happen.

 

[Slade3200]

It’s crazy how much is spent on healthcare but good to understand as it is a much needed service. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the cost estimations for Medicare for all an additional 35 trillion over 10 years on top of current costs?

no

Yes

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Some dupe is going to come along and say that we need to repeal Obamacare to relieve the skyrocketing costs of healthcare.

Of course, the dupe's propagandists depend on the dupe having a memory of a goldfish and not remembering how fast healthcare costs were skyrocketing long before anyone even heard of Barack HUSSEIN Obama:

2 month long wait for heart surgery, here we come!
Hope you dilapidated old fucks can survive!

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

If you read the article, it says most of the increase comes from Medicare and Medicaid - government healthcare, in other words.

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

Wait.

So you're saying that Bernie's Country Wrecking "Medicare for All" will cost $18,000,000,000,000 LESS over 10 years than the current system?

Is that what you're saying?

BTW, only "men" who wear pussyhats block me. True Story

I would like ALL of you to look at the graph that G5000 has in post 2. Take a close look at it!

Now then, ask yourself one VERY IMPORTANT question--------------> WHEN was Medicare created?

ANSWER----------->1965!

Why didn't the G-man have a graph that went back to 1950? 1940? 1930?

ANSWER-----------> Because the cost of healthcare skyrocketed as soon as the GOVERNMENT got involved.

Doubt me?

OK, lets try another test--------------->lets have Gman or some other person, put a graph here, or in a new thread about the cost of higher education-) Look at the line, and then, and then, and then, what happens to that line, as soon as the government gets involved-) It goes STRAIGHT UP, just like healthcare.

These people are trying to MANIPULATE you, they really are. The government CAUSED prices to rise by their non free market INTERFERENCE. Now their solution is--------> MORE INTERFERENCE by the government! It should be way LESS interference by the government!

why not offer some evidence of your own, show us the cost of healthcare in the 40s and the 50s.

 

[g5000]

Some dupe is going to come along and say that we need to repeal Obamacare to relieve the skyrocketing costs of healthcare.

Of course, the dupe's propagandists depend on the dupe having a memory of a goldfish and not remembering how fast healthcare costs were skyrocketing long before anyone even heard of Barack HUSSEIN Obama:

2 month long wait for heart surgery, here we come!
Hope you dilapidated old fucks can survive!

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

If you read the article, it says most of the increase comes from Medicare and Medicaid - government healthcare, in other words.

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

Wait.

So you're saying that Bernie's Country Wrecking "Medicare for All" will cost $18,000,000,000,000 LESS over 10 years than the current system?

Is that what you're saying?

BTW, only "men" who wear pussyhats block me. True Story

I would like ALL of you to look at the graph that G5000 has in post 2. Take a close look at it!

Now then, ask yourself one VERY IMPORTANT question--------------> WHEN was Medicare created?

ANSWER----------->1965!

Why didn't the G-man have a graph that went back to 1950? 1940? 1930?

ANSWER-----------> Because the cost of healthcare skyrocketed as soon as the GOVERNMENT got involved.

Doubt me?

OK, lets try another test--------------->lets have Gman or some other person, put a graph here, or in a new thread about the cost of higher education-) Look at the line, and then, and then, and then, what happens to that line, as soon as the government gets involved-) It goes STRAIGHT UP, just like healthcare.

These people are trying to MANIPULATE you, they really are. The government CAUSED prices to rise by their non free market INTERFERENCE. Now their solution is--------> MORE INTERFERENCE by the government! It should be way LESS interference by the government!

See post 20.

 

[bripat9643]

Some dupe is going to come along and say that we need to repeal Obamacare to relieve the skyrocketing costs of healthcare.

Of course, the dupe's propagandists depend on the dupe having a memory of a goldfish and not remembering how fast healthcare costs were skyrocketing long before anyone even heard of Barack HUSSEIN Obama:

2 month long wait for heart surgery, here we come!
Hope you dilapidated old fucks can survive!

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

If you read the article, it says most of the increase comes from Medicare and Medicaid - government healthcare, in other words.

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

Wait.

So you're saying that Bernie's Country Wrecking "Medicare for All" will cost $18,000,000,000,000 LESS over 10 years than the current system?

Is that what you're saying?

BTW, only "men" who wear pussyhats block me. True Story

I would like ALL of you to look at the graph that G5000 has in post 2. Take a close look at it!

Now then, ask yourself one VERY IMPORTANT question--------------> WHEN was Medicare created?

ANSWER----------->1965!

Why didn't the G-man have a graph that went back to 1950? 1940? 1930?

ANSWER-----------> Because the cost of healthcare skyrocketed as soon as the GOVERNMENT got involved.

Doubt me?

OK, lets try another test--------------->lets have Gman or some other person, put a graph here, or in a new thread about the cost of higher education-) Look at the line, and then, and then, and then, what happens to that line, as soon as the government gets involved-) It goes STRAIGHT UP, just like healthcare.

These people are trying to MANIPULATE you, they really are. The government CAUSED prices to rise by their non free market INTERFERENCE. Now their solution is--------> MORE INTERFERENCE by the government! It should be way LESS interference by the government!

 

[LoneLaugher]

It’s crazy how much is spent on healthcare but good to understand as it is a much needed service. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the cost estimations for Medicare for all an additional 35 trillion over 10 years on top of current costs?

No, the $35 trillion is the total cost. Medicare For All would replace all current costs.

How is that possible? Medicare for all would theoretically mean millions more people would be going to the doctor so overall costs would dramatically go up. What is going to balance that out?

THIS is the question that anyone attempting to understand how health care costs work must endeavor to answer honestly.

There are fine examples worldwide.

I agree, but we need to apply those systems to our current environment as far as costs are concerned and see how everything balances out. I don’t see much of the deep dive being taken here, just talking points from our “leaders”

I'll find you a source. Universal preventive care leads to illness being discovered sooner which saves money. And, as G5K said, the administrative costs and the PROFIT TAKING are huge drivers of cost in our current system.

 

[g5000]

Some dupe is going to come along and say that we need to repeal Obamacare to relieve the skyrocketing costs of healthcare.

Of course, the dupe's propagandists depend on the dupe having a memory of a goldfish and not remembering how fast healthcare costs were skyrocketing long before anyone even heard of Barack HUSSEIN Obama:

2 month long wait for heart surgery, here we come!
Hope you dilapidated old fucks can survive!

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

If you read the article, it says most of the increase comes from Medicare and Medicaid - government healthcare, in other words.

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

Wait.

So you're saying that Bernie's Country Wrecking "Medicare for All" will cost $18,000,000,000,000 LESS over 10 years than the current system?

Is that what you're saying?

BTW, only "men" who wear pussyhats block me. True Story

I would like ALL of you to look at the graph that G5000 has in post 2. Take a close look at it!

Now then, ask yourself one VERY IMPORTANT question--------------> WHEN was Medicare created?

ANSWER----------->1965!

Why didn't the G-man have a graph that went back to 1950? 1940? 1930?

ANSWER-----------> Because the cost of healthcare skyrocketed as soon as the GOVERNMENT got involved.

Doubt me?

OK, lets try another test--------------->lets have Gman or some other person, put a graph here, or in a new thread about the cost of higher education-) Look at the line, and then, and then, and then, what happens to that line, as soon as the government gets involved-) It goes STRAIGHT UP, just like healthcare.

These people are trying to MANIPULATE you, they really are. The government CAUSED prices to rise by their non free market INTERFERENCE. Now their solution is--------> MORE INTERFERENCE by the government! It should be way LESS interference by the government!

why not offer some evidence of your own, show us the cost of healthcare in the 40s and the 50s.

 

[g5000]

As more and more people are priced out of the private health insurance market, and as long as hucksters like McConnell and Trump fail to offer a solution, single payer healthcare will become more and more popular, and ultimately inevitable.

 

[g5000]

 

[g5000]

Some dupe is going to come along and say that we need to repeal Obamacare to relieve the skyrocketing costs of healthcare.

Of course, the dupe's propagandists depend on the dupe having a memory of a goldfish and not remembering how fast healthcare costs were skyrocketing long before anyone even heard of Barack HUSSEIN Obama:

2 month long wait for heart surgery, here we come!
Hope you dilapidated old fucks can survive!

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

If you read the article, it says most of the increase comes from Medicare and Medicaid - government healthcare, in other words.

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

Wait.

So you're saying that Bernie's Country Wrecking "Medicare for All" will cost $18,000,000,000,000 LESS over 10 years than the current system?

Is that what you're saying?

BTW, only "men" who wear pussyhats block me. True Story

I would like ALL of you to look at the graph that G5000 has in post 2. Take a close look at it!

Now then, ask yourself one VERY IMPORTANT question--------------> WHEN was Medicare created?

ANSWER----------->1965!

Why didn't the G-man have a graph that went back to 1950? 1940? 1930?

ANSWER-----------> Because the cost of healthcare skyrocketed as soon as the GOVERNMENT got involved.

Doubt me?

OK, lets try another test--------------->lets have Gman or some other person, put a graph here, or in a new thread about the cost of higher education-) Look at the line, and then, and then, and then, what happens to that line, as soon as the government gets involved-) It goes STRAIGHT UP, just like healthcare.

These people are trying to MANIPULATE you, they really are. The government CAUSED prices to rise by their non free market INTERFERENCE. Now their solution is--------> MORE INTERFERENCE by the government! It should be way LESS interference by the government!

OECD nations which have single payer healthcare have lower per capita costs for healthcare.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Slade3200 , here is an article which has some detail regarding the cost savings we could expect with Medicare for all.

I don't know the source well....it looks like a Bernie supporting publication. I think you'll find it of interest, anyway.

Medicare for All Is Even Better Than You Thought

 

[g5000]

]

 

[imawhosure]

Govt getting in healthcare caused a sky rocket in cost. Just like everything else the govt touches.
Why cant we get govt out of healthcare completely? Cash prices are cheap and would only get cheaper.
Orrr we could pass an amendment so the govt actually has the power for medicare for all.
I dont see either happening. You rubes love the govt abusing its power.

Here's the thing.

I am opposed to single payer healthcare. I totally agree that the more government meddles with healthcare, the more they cause costs to go up.

But none of that means fuck-all since the Republicans have NEVER stepped up to the plate to offer a solution. It is through their inaction, and the acceptance of the Rube Herd to go along with that inaction, that makes single payer inevitable.

And the fact is that single payer will probably end up being cheaper than going on the way we are going. Not as cheap as the ideas I have outlined on this forum countless times, but cheaper than Trump's fake, non-existent plan and the Republicans' fake, non-existent plan.

Well, might agree with you there, here is the problem-------->health insurance does not mean healthcare.

QUESTION--------> Why would ANYBODY who has employer supplied healthcare go along with is? You have good healthcare now, and if it goes to single payer, it look like Britain, which ain't so hot!

Sure, more people are covered, but that doesn't mean they get service when needed, which means that if YOU have good healthcare now, yours is heading South!

As long as the government is involved, I do not think THERE IS A SOLUTION.

Why? Because the government can NOT supply anything to you, it has to supply it to everyone, and if YOU are one of the people paying for it...….meaning your buying power is dispersed, you are paying more, for much, much, less.

 

[imawhosure]

Some dupe is going to come along and say that we need to repeal Obamacare to relieve the skyrocketing costs of healthcare.

Of course, the dupe's propagandists depend on the dupe having a memory of a goldfish and not remembering how fast healthcare costs were skyrocketing long before anyone even heard of Barack HUSSEIN Obama:

2 month long wait for heart surgery, here we come!
Hope you dilapidated old fucks can survive!

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

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National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

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National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

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For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

If you read the article, it says most of the increase comes from Medicare and Medicaid - government healthcare, in other words.

Pseudocons scoff at the projected cost of "Medicare For All" being $35 trillion over the next ten years.

However, under our current system, healthcare in America will rack up an astounding $47 trillion over the next ten years!

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ealthExpendData/Downloads/ForecastSummary.pdf

Health spending is projected to grow 0.8 percentage point faster than Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per year over the 2018-27 period; as a result, the health share of GDP is expected to rise from 17.9 percent in 2017 to 19.4 percent by 2027.

<snip>

National health spending is projected to have grown 4.4 percent in 2018, up from 3.9 percent growth in 2017, and to have reached $3.6 trillion.

<snip>

National health expenditures are projected to grow 4.8 percent in 2019, up from 4.4 percent growth in 2018, and to reach $3.8 trillion.

<snip>

For 2020-27, national health spending growth is projected to average 5.7 percent, from 4.8 percent in 2019, and reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027. With nominal GDP growth expected to average 4.6 percent during this period, the health share of GDP is expected to increase to 19.4 percent by 2027, from 17.8 percent in 2019.


Notice the incredibly optimistic projection that GDP will grow an average of 4.6 percent.

Wait.

So you're saying that Bernie's Country Wrecking "Medicare for All" will cost $18,000,000,000,000 LESS over 10 years than the current system?

Is that what you're saying?

BTW, only "men" who wear pussyhats block me. True Story

I would like ALL of you to look at the graph that G5000 has in post 2. Take a close look at it!

Now then, ask yourself one VERY IMPORTANT question--------------> WHEN was Medicare created?

ANSWER----------->1965!

Why didn't the G-man have a graph that went back to 1950? 1940? 1930?

ANSWER-----------> Because the cost of healthcare skyrocketed as soon as the GOVERNMENT got involved.

Doubt me?

OK, lets try another test--------------->lets have Gman or some other person, put a graph here, or in a new thread about the cost of higher education-) Look at the line, and then, and then, and then, what happens to that line, as soon as the government gets involved-) It goes STRAIGHT UP, just like healthcare.

These people are trying to MANIPULATE you, they really are. The government CAUSED prices to rise by their non free market INTERFERENCE. Now their solution is--------> MORE INTERFERENCE by the government! It should be way LESS interference by the government!

OECD nations which have single payer healthcare have lower per capita costs for healthcare.

You still haven't shown us that,

1. They get as much or MORE healthcare than we do, AND

2. you haven't taken into account the lower drug prices they get to pay because if the drug companies don't give it to them, they just break the patent, or buy it from someone who has.

 

[g5000]

QUESTION--------> Why would ANYBODY who has employer supplied healthcare go along with is?

Because even for people who have employer sponsored health insurance, their costs are getting higher and higher. Premiums, co-pays, and deductibles are getting out of reach.

 

[LoneLaugher]

QUESTION--------> Why would ANYBODY who has employer supplied healthcare go along with is?

Because even for people who have employer sponsored health insurance, their costs are getting higher and higher. Premiums, co-pays, and deductibles are getting out of reach.

......and the fact that employer "sponsored" insurance ties you to a job. Many can't afford to change jobs.

 

[g5000]

Employer-based health insurance premiums, deductibles rise

The report found significant differences by state for premiums, deductibles and out-of-pocket costs. It showed that 15 states had significant premium increases from 2016 to 2017, while only one (Utah) had a significant decrease.

The center said 93% of employees with employer-sponsored insurance faced deductibles in 2017. The average single-coverage deductible rose 6.6% to $1,808. The average family coverage deductible increased 10.7% to $3,396.


But here is the real killer:

The average annual single-coverage premium for employer-based health insurance increased 4.4% to $6,368 in 2017 and family coverage premiums rose 5.5% to $18,687, according to a new State Health Access Data Assistance Center report.


Since employers pay the bulk of the cost share of insurance premiums, they are suffering the biggest impact of skyrocketing insurance costs.

When corporations get sick and tired of this burden, they are going to turn their massively deep pockets toward lobbying for single payer healthcare. I've seen signs Walmart is already working toward this end.