JoeB131
Diamond Member
I'm curious, Joey...is it only the Koch brothers money that is "dark" or does George Soros's money qualify for that designation as well?
I'm for getting all money out of politics.
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I'm curious, Joey...is it only the Koch brothers money that is "dark" or does George Soros's money qualify for that designation as well?
If those conservative groups didn't qualify for an exemption then the IRS should have denied their applications. They didn't do that though...did they Joey? No, what Lois Lerner and her merry band did was suspend those conservative groups in a kind of "red tape limbo"...not approving them but not denying them either...stringing them along for months and sometimes years. At the same time they approved liberal groups for their exemptions. That's why Lois Lerner took the 5th! She knows damn well that what she did was wrong. She knows damn well that she violated IRS regulations and Federal law when she released confidential tax payer information to other branches of the government and to political opponents of conservatives.
No, she took the fifth because only an idiot would testify in front of Congress when they are looking for a scalp.
Point was, it was entirely within her discretion on who to scrutinize. If she wanted to use a Ouija board to decide who to scrutinize, that was her perogative.
She decided that Tea Party was good indication of fraud. Which it was. Shit, even the GOP is trying to shove the Tea Party into the attic like a crazy uncle.
I'm curious, Joey...is it only the Koch brothers money that is "dark" or does George Soros's money qualify for that designation as well?
I'm for getting all money out of politics.
Why do I think it's a "good thing" for our politicians to support the American casino industry over on-line gaming groups that were all based overseas to avoid American taxes and regulations? Gee, because doing so protects American jobs? Duh?
You wingnuts don't give a fuck about "American" jobs. Not with all the Free Trade treaties you've signed.
Stop being a tool or RIch People, Dog-Style. They'll fuck you over for lunch money. Trust me, been there, done that, wore the t-shirt.
Now I'm for the government fucking the rich at every oppurtunity.
The ONLY way to do that is to take all the power out of politics. Good luck with that.I'm curious, Joey...is it only the Koch brothers money that is "dark" or does George Soros's money qualify for that designation as well?
I'm for getting all money out of politics.
Let me get this straight...you actually think that Lois Lerner was just doing her job when she targeted conservative groups and didn't target liberal groups? Name me one Tea Party group that has EVER had charges of fraud brought against it by the IRS! Just one, Joey!
You didn't answer my question, Joey. Is the money coming from unions "dark" or is it only Tea Party groups that you think should be prevented from having their viewpoint heard?
Stop blaming the rich for you getting canned from your job, Joey! I'm sorry but Sheldon Adelson wasn't behind that. You asked me a question and I answered it. Then you accused me of not caring about American jobs when it was you that ignored the fact that on line gambling based in other countries to avoid US taxes and regulations does cost US casino workers jobs. So who REALLY cares about American jobs...you who couldn't even grasp that they were being lost because of on-line gambling...or me who did? Duh?
Joey doesn't want to take all the money out of politics...he wants to take all of the conservative money out of politics. He won't admit that he's fine with George Soros's funding MoveOn.Org.
Yet you can't name a single Tea Party group that Lerner ever brought charges against. Why is that Joey?
And why is it that you don't have a problem with public sector unions spending millions to elect politicians who then turn around and award those same unions lavish benefit packages...but you do have a problem with the Koch brothers spending their own money to support causes they believe in?
And why is it that you don't have a problem with public sector unions spending millions to elect politicians who then turn around and award those same unions lavish benefit packages...but you do have a problem with the Koch brothers spending their own money to support causes they believe in?
You mean I don't have a problem with working people getting benefits, but I do have a problem with two rich old billionaires getting benefits?
Again, are you some kind of fucking retard?
Those sweetheart deals that those politicians elected by public sector union money gave to those unions have buried us in unsustainable debt, Joey...but you're too stupid to realize that...aren't you? Even an uber-liberal like FDR understood the danger of public sector unions which is why he opposed them...but you're fine with it? But "I'm" the retard? Too funny...
Those sweetheart deals that those politicians elected by public sector union money gave to those unions have buried us in unsustainable debt, Joey...but you're too stupid to realize that...aren't you? Even an uber-liberal like FDR understood the danger of public sector unions which is why he opposed them...but you're fine with it? But "I'm" the retard? Too funny...
Guy, the Union folks are making a fair wage. Used to be we all made fair wages until the rich assholes that your tongue is permanently attached to decided that they were paying working folks too much and the bought trade deals and right to work and at-will employment laws.
The Unions guys just kept what everyone else should have.
But you are too stupid to realize that gutting the middle class so a few rich jerks could have Dressage Horses and Mansions was a terrible idea.
The stupid person here is the one who buys into the nonsense that the people you liberals have decided are "rich" all live in mansions and have "Dressage Horses".
Those Public Sector Unions are killing the Private Sector Middle Class, driving up their taxes and burying them in unfunded debt. But you don't SEE that, do you Joey? You can't grasp the danger of unionized Public Sector employees as FDR did, can you?
The stupid person here is the one who buys into the nonsense that the people you liberals have decided are "rich" all live in mansions and have "Dressage Horses".
Those Public Sector Unions are killing the Private Sector Middle Class, driving up their taxes and burying them in unfunded debt. But you don't SEE that, do you Joey? You can't grasp the danger of unionized Public Sector employees as FDR did, can you?
Oh, horseshit. NO, I don't see cops and teachers making a living wage as 'killing" the middle class.
What's killing the middle class is rich assholes using every recession as an excuse to cut working class wages and every trade deal as an excuse to send jobs overseas.
You are like someone who got his house burned down, but instead of wanting to put the Arsonist in prison, you want him to burn down your neighbor's house.
Those cops and teachers aren't making a "living wage", Joey! They used to. Sixty years ago cops and teachers made much less money but had fairly decent benefits and job security. That was the trade off that you knew you were going to make when you took those jobs. That all changed when the Public Sector unions started spending millions of dollars to elect politicians who in turn granted them more money in salaries and lavish benefits and retirement packages.
Those cops and teachers aren't making a "living wage", Joey! They used to. Sixty years ago cops and teachers made much less money but had fairly decent benefits and job security. That was the trade off that you knew you were going to make when you took those jobs. That all changed when the Public Sector unions started spending millions of dollars to elect politicians who in turn granted them more money in salaries and lavish benefits and retirement packages.
Lavish? Really?
average salary for a police officer is $52,000.
Police Patrol Officer Salary Salary.com
Average salary for a Firefighter is $43,000
Fire Fighter Salary Salary.com
Average salary for a Teacher is $53,000
Public School Teacher Salary Salary.com
These are not "Lavish' salaries. Certainly not compared to the eight figure salaries pulled in by CEO's that you are all so fine with.
You know, when you guys argue against giving working folks a living wage, you say, "Hey, go out and get an education and get a better job!"
Firefighters and Policemen and Teachers did just that, but man, it just BURNS you that they managed to organize and get better benefits, doesn't it.
Seriously, you have one serious set of fucked up values.