Hillary Rodham Clinton Speaks Out for Gay Marriage

[sfcalifornia]

I do.

I think relegating people with moronic opinions to the tiniest minority of society is the best social progress of all, however.

So, who determines what is and what is not a "moronic opinion"? The Thought Police? Or are you just talking about the Court of Public Opinion laughing at the losers?

are a majority of the voters in california "a tiny minority with moronic opinions" ? they voted down gay marriage twice, remember?

But your idea of "regulating" people who do not share your opinions makes you a true socialist of the worst kind----the hitler, mao, pol pot, idi amin kind.

You need glasses son, I said "relegating" not regulating.

 

[Jarhead]

I do.

I think relegating people with moronic opinions to the tiniest minority of society is the best social progress of all, however.

So, who determines what is and what is not a "moronic opinion"? The Thought Police? Or are you just talking about the Court of Public Opinion laughing at the losers?

50 years from now (probably less) we'll be laughing at Redfish the same way we are laughing at the folks who were against interracial marriages.

Laughing at people for not seeing something others see due to their upbringing and overall social environment?

Jeez...lighten up.

Not everyone can see the need for change at the same time.

It takes time to evolve....and everyone evolves at a different pace.

 

[bodecea]

True....there are some who still vilify the black community. But the progress over the last 50 years on gay rights is wonderful.

I dont consider it "gay rights"...for we dont have "heterosexual rights"

I simply consider them all rights of all Americans.

That should be the argument. Once you throw in a term that groups the people, it clouds the issue.

This is America...all men are created equal. Stay on that plane.

It worked in my mind set. It may work in the mindset of other conservatives.

On a side note...that is why I am against the "women protection" laws......

All people deserve equal protection. If some drunk 500 pound former sumo wrestler beats the crap out of me, why am I not afforded the same protection a woman is?

Think about it.

you are correct, of course. I personally have no issue with civil unions for gays. But marriage is a union of one man and one woman.

if two gays want to commit to each other for life, thats great. But its not a marriage.

Yes it is. In many churches already and in a growing number of states.

 

[Jarhead]

So, who determines what is and what is not a "moronic opinion"? The Thought Police? Or are you just talking about the Court of Public Opinion laughing at the losers?

50 years from now (probably less) we'll be laughing at Redfish the same way we are laughing at the folks who were against interracial marriages.

What will happen is that people like Redfish will either evolve or try to hide their 2012 opinions on gay marriage from their grandchildren who ask them about the "idiots against gay marriage back in the day".

Obama was against it a mere 3 years ago.

I was for it 30 years ago.

Does that make Obama an idiot?

Does that make me a genius?

 

[G.T.]

Yea, an idiot on that point. For sure.

 

[bodecea]

50 years from now (probably less) we'll be laughing at Redfish the same way we are laughing at the folks who were against interracial marriages.

What will happen is that people like Redfish will either evolve or try to hide their 2012 opinions on gay marriage from their grandchildren who ask them about the "idiots against gay marriage back in the day".

Obama was against it a mere 3 years ago.

I was for it 30 years ago.

Does that make Obama an idiot?

Does that make me a genius?

All newly evolved supporters of equal marriage rights for Gay Americans are welcome.

 

[Jarhead]

What will happen is that people like Redfish will either evolve or try to hide their 2012 opinions on gay marriage from their grandchildren who ask them about the "idiots against gay marriage back in the day".

Obama was against it a mere 3 years ago.

I was for it 30 years ago.

Does that make Obama an idiot?

Does that make me a genius?

All newly evolved supporters of equal marriage rights for Gay Americans are welcome.

People evolve...some quicker than others.
Does not make anyone an "idiot".

 

[bodecea]

Obama was against it a mere 3 years ago.

I was for it 30 years ago.

Does that make Obama an idiot?

Does that make me a genius?

All newly evolved supporters of equal marriage rights for Gay Americans are welcome.

People evolve...some quicker than others.
Does not make anyone an "idiot".

So...hard core segregationists are not idiots?

 

[G.T.]

I think the issue takes bias and idiocy, a general mix of the two.

If marriage is going to be defined by the state, it should allow for gays.

If it's not defined by the state, then let both gays and straights have civil unions.

Dont show them as different (gay & straight unions) in the eyes of the state. That's dogshit.

 

[Jarhead]

All newly evolved supporters of equal marriage rights for Gay Americans are welcome.

People evolve...some quicker than others.
Does not make anyone an "idiot".

So...hard core segregationists are not idiots?

point well made.

 

[sfcalifornia]

So, who determines what is and what is not a "moronic opinion"? The Thought Police? Or are you just talking about the Court of Public Opinion laughing at the losers?

50 years from now (probably less) we'll be laughing at Redfish the same way we are laughing at the folks who were against interracial marriages.

Laughing at people for not seeing something others see due to their upbringing and overall social environment?

Jeez...lighten up.

Not everyone can see the need for change at the same time.

It takes time to evolve....and everyone evolves at a different pace.

I think 50 years or so is a fair enough amount of time.

 

[bodecea]

Do you have a link or no?

You sure I'm lying here? Positive? Care to make some kind of wager?

Is this what you do every time someone asks you for a link? If you're willing to bet then you probably have some sort of link. If so, I would like to verify your link.

Fair enough....btw, this was a BIG topic of discussion a few years ago when Focus on the Family put this article in their newsletter.

Hullabaloo

This is a blog, but they are accurate in quoting from the article. The article itself has (I believe) been scrubbed from the FOTF website....needless to say, due to ridicule.

This DU post from 2005 has the old link which has been disabled...as I said...they scrubbed it.

Men, James Dobson Says You Should Show Your Son Your Penis - Democratic Underground

 

[Political Junky]

You sure I'm lying here? Positive? Care to make some kind of wager?

Is this what you do every time someone asks you for a link? If you're willing to bet then you probably have some sort of link. If so, I would like to verify your link.

Fair enough....btw, this was a BIG topic of discussion a few years ago when Focus on the Family put this article in their newsletter.

Hullabaloo

This is a blog, but they are accurate in quoting from the article. The article itself has (I believe) been scrubbed from the FOTF website....needless to say, due to ridicule.

This DU post from 2005 has the old link which has been disabled...as I said...they scrubbed it.

Men, James Dobson Says You Should Show Your Son Your Penis - Democratic Underground

Oh God, who could forget that article?

 

[rightwinger]

Really? then why vote on the president and congressmen? The constitution defines our rights, it does not list the right of two people of the same sex to marry. It also does not give you the right to marry your dog, sorry winger

I'm sorry...I really tried

But I can't figure out what the fuck your post has to do with my comment

you said we should not vote on what rights others can have. Did the states vote to ratify the constitution? Did colo and wash vote to legalize pot? WTF do you think those votes were if not the rights of others?

There is a difference between laws and individual rights.

You can vote to legalize pot or not. You cannot vote that straight people can smoke pot but gay people can't

 

[mal]

I'm sorry...I really tried

But I can't figure out what the fuck your post has to do with my comment

you said we should not vote on what rights others can have. Did the states vote to ratify the constitution? Did colo and wash vote to legalize pot? WTF do you think those votes were if not the rights of others?

There is a difference between laws and individual rights.

You can vote to legalize pot or not. You cannot vote that straight people can smoke pot but gay people can't

Marriage is NOT an "Individual" Right.

It's the Right of Man and Woman.

The Court Described what it is best when it said is was "Fundamental to our very Existence and Survival..."

Same Sex Coupling is NOT that thing.



peace...

 

[sfcalifornia]

you said we should not vote on what rights others can have. Did the states vote to ratify the constitution? Did colo and wash vote to legalize pot? WTF do you think those votes were if not the rights of others?

There is a difference between laws and individual rights.

You can vote to legalize pot or not. You cannot vote that straight people can smoke pot but gay people can't

Marriage is NOT an "Individual" Right.

It's the Right of Man and Woman.

The Court Described what it is best when it said is was "Fundamental to our very Existence and Survival..."

Same Sex Coupling is NOT that thing.



peace...

The Court described it best 45 years ago.

Social progression didn't stop 45 years ago. Time for a court review.

 

[Seawytch]

you said we should not vote on what rights others can have. Did the states vote to ratify the constitution? Did colo and wash vote to legalize pot? WTF do you think those votes were if not the rights of others?

There is a difference between laws and individual rights.

You can vote to legalize pot or not. You cannot vote that straight people can smoke pot but gay people can't

Marriage is NOT an "Individual" Right.

It's the Right of Man and Woman.

The Court Described what it is best when it said is was "Fundamental to our very Existence and Survival..."

Same Sex Coupling is NOT that thing.



peace...

No, it's a fundamental right. In order to deny a group of people a fundamental right, you have to be able to describe and determine an overriding harm in allowing it. Go ahead and try.

 

[rightwinger]

you said we should not vote on what rights others can have. Did the states vote to ratify the constitution? Did colo and wash vote to legalize pot? WTF do you think those votes were if not the rights of others?

There is a difference between laws and individual rights.

You can vote to legalize pot or not. You cannot vote that straight people can smoke pot but gay people can't

Marriage is NOT an "Individual" Right.
It's the Right of Man and Woman.

The Court Described what it is best when it said is was "Fundamental to our very Existence and Survival..."

Same Sex Coupling is NOT that thing.



peace...

I'm afraid that it is

 

[ima]

you said we should not vote on what rights others can have. Did the states vote to ratify the constitution? Did colo and wash vote to legalize pot? WTF do you think those votes were if not the rights of others?

There is a difference between laws and individual rights.

You can vote to legalize pot or not. You cannot vote that straight people can smoke pot but gay people can't

Marriage is NOT an "Individual" Right.

It's the Right of Man and Woman.

The Court Described what it is best when it said is was "Fundamental to our very Existence and Survival..."

Same Sex Coupling is NOT that thing.



peace...

So then if gays can't marry, then why do infertile people get to marry? Their marriage isn't "Fundamental to our very Existence and Survival..."

Btw, did you know that ALL gays can have kids? Oh, you didn't? Well, now you do.

 

[Redfish]

There is a difference between laws and individual rights.

You can vote to legalize pot or not. You cannot vote that straight people can smoke pot but gay people can't

Marriage is NOT an "Individual" Right.

It's the Right of Man and Woman.

The Court Described what it is best when it said is was "Fundamental to our very Existence and Survival..."

Same Sex Coupling is NOT that thing.



peace...

So then if gays can't marry, then why do infertile people get to marry? Their marriage isn't "Fundamental to our very Existence and Survival..."

Btw, did you know that ALL gays can have kids? Oh, you didn't? Well, now you do.

so in your strange world two gay men can have kids? or two gay women without a sperm donor?

Do you live in san francisco?