How American gun deaths and gun laws compare to Canada's

[JoeB131]

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That quote doesn't appear in the constitution.

Furthermore, this is ANOTHER misattribution

Did George Washington offer support for individual gun rights, as meme says?

We contacted Edward Lengel, editor in chief of the Papers of George Washington project at the University of Virginia. He said "there is no evidence that Washington ever wrote or said these words, or any like them." Lengel cautioned that it’s impossible to prove a negative, but he added that he’s "as certain as he can be" that the quote did not originate from George Washington.


You see, funny thing about the Founding Fathers. They didn't want everyone to have guns. They sure as shit didn't want the slaves they were raping to have guns. They wanted- wait for it- a WELL REGULATED MILITIA.

 

[JoeB131]

Russia was shit. They would have easily been overran if we weren't supplying them, and fighting Germany from the west

Uh, no, they wouldn't have. In fact, in the west, we weren't even having much of an effect until 1944, and the Russians were tying up 3/4 of Axis forces in Europe.

That's why the Russians took Berlin, dude. We should be darned happy they didn't take Tokyo.

 

[gipper]

Yeah Neighbors with guns is more horrific than what Stalin and Mao did...yeah right.

Mao and Stalin didn't kill anyone personally. It was their neighbors with guns. The neighbor with a gun who remembers during the Civil War, his neighbor raped his wife and stole his goat. Or maybe he raped his goat and stole his wife. Well, one of those.

Yes, Russia had a very nasty civil war from 1917 to 1922, preceded by a World War. So the reason why Russians killed a lot of each other was not because Stalin was a big meany-head, but because after being at war for nearly a decade, they were looking to take their anger out on someone.

The same could be said for Mao's China. Pretty much continuous war from 1910 to 1949. So who do you think got shot. People who supported the War Lords. People who collaborated with the Japanese and other foreign powers, and yes, people who enjoyed great wealth while their neighbors starved.

Guns didn't make those situations better, they made them worse.

Your understanding of commie history is absurd, but not unexpected.

Government kills and unlimited government, that you so desire, kills the most.

 

[JoeB131]

Your understanding of commie history is absurd, but not unexpected.

Government kills and unlimited government, that you so desire, kills the most.

NOt really, but i'm sure that's what the Koch Brothers told you to think when they live in their mansions.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The concept here is that Canada treats gun ownership as a privilage, not a right. So instead of proving why you shouldn't have a gun, you have to prove why you should.

which actually makes a lot more sense.

ONLY if you can get the 2nd Amendment abolished. Until then, it's a Right abd you folks need to deal with thst fact.

The elite Left has a long history of trying to limit the rights of the people. It is strange that lowly lefties like Joey fall in line with the elites, thus cutting his own throat.

It has to be some kind of mental illness.

or just plain stupidity

 

[Jroc]

Russia was shit. They would have easily been overran if we weren't supplying them, and fighting Germany from the west

Uh, no, they wouldn't have. In fact, in the west, we weren't even having much of an effect until 1944, and the Russians were tying up 3/4 of Axis forces in Europe.

That's why the Russians took Berlin, dude. We should be darned happy they didn't take Tokyo.

We let them take Berlin dude...and if the Japanese weren't getting their ass kicked by the U.S. they would have stomped the shit out of Russia like they did before dude. Are you a big Stalin fan?

 

[JoeB131]

We let them take Berlin dude...and if the Japanese weren't getting their ass kicked by the U.S. they would have stomped the shit out of Russia like they did before dude. Are you a big Stalin fan?

Uh, guy, what the fuck are you talking about? Japan and Russia were at peace because they signed a non-aggression pact. The minute the russians revoked that pact, the Japanese knew they were finished and surrendered. (Nope, sorry, atom bombs had nothing to do with it.)

You see, I'm a fan of facts and reason. You are a fan of a magic sky pixie who enables your bad behavior.

 

[Jroc]

We let them take Berlin dude...and if the Japanese weren't getting their ass kicked by the U.S. they would have stomped the shit out of Russia like they did before dude. Are you a big Stalin fan?

Uh, guy, what the fuck are you talking about? Japan and Russia were at peace because they signed a non-aggression pact. The minute the russians revoked that pact, the Japanese knew they were finished and surrendered. (Nope, sorry, atom bombs had nothing to do with it.)

You see, I'm a fan of facts and reason. You are a fan of a magic sky pixie who enables your bad behavior.

You're so damn stupid 1945? Japan was pretty much defeated. Wow you're a dumb ass. Where do people like you come from? is the anti american stuff part of your psychosis?

Although Japanese offensives into the eastern USSR during this time might have resulted in the defeat of the Soviet Union, Japan was forced to concentrate all its resources in a resistance against the massive U.S. counteroffensive in the Pacific, underway by fall 1942

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During the Yalta conference in early 1945, Joseph Stalin, at the urging of U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, agreed to declare war against Japan within three months of Germany’s defeat. On August 8, 1945, true to Stalin’s promise, the Soviet Union declared war against Japan, and the next day the Red Army invaded Manchuria. The same day, the United States dropped its second atomic bomb on Japan, devastating Nagasaki as it had Hiroshima three days earlier. Faced with the choice of destruction or surrender, Japan chose the latter. On August 15, one week after the Soviet declaration of war, Emperor Hirohito announced the Japanese surrender on national radio, urging the Japanese people to “endure the unendurable.”

Japan and USSR sign nonaggression pact - Apr 13, 1941 - HISTORY.com

 

[Jroc]

Russia was shit. They would have easily been overran if we weren't supplying them, and fighting Germany from the west

Uh, no, they wouldn't have. In fact, in the west, we weren't even having much of an effect until 1944, and the Russians were tying up 3/4 of Axis forces in Europe.

That's why the Russians took Berlin, dude. We should be darned happy they didn't take Tokyo.

Joey's hero Stalin...No Stalin didn't murder anybody, He was a saint..Who knew?

Medevedev's grim bookkeeping included the following tragic episodes: 1 million imprisoned or exiled between 1927 to 1929; 9 to 11 million peasants forced off their lands and another 2 to 3 million peasants arrested or exiled in the mass collectivization program; 6 to 7 million killed by an artificial famine in 1932-1934; 1 million exiled from Moscow and Leningrad in 1935; 1 million executed during the ''Great Terror'' of 1937-1938; 4 to 6 million dispatched to forced labor camps; 10 to 12 million people forcibly relocated during World War II; and at least 1 million arrested for various “political crimes” from 1946 to 1953.

Although not everyone who was swept up in the aforementioned events died from unnatural causes, Medvedev’s 20 million non-combatant deaths estimate is likely a conservative guess.

Indeed, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the literary giant who wrote harrowingly about the Soviet gulag system, claimed the true number of Stalin’s victims might have been as high as 60 million.

Most other estimates from reputed scholars and historians tend to range from between 20 and 60 million

How Many People Did Joseph Stalin Kill?

 

[2aguy]

Russia was shit. They would have easily been overran if we weren't supplying them, and fighting Germany from the west

Uh, no, they wouldn't have. In fact, in the west, we weren't even having much of an effect until 1944, and the Russians were tying up 3/4 of Axis forces in Europe.

That's why the Russians took Berlin, dude. We should be darned happy they didn't take Tokyo.

Wrong...without us the Russians would be speaking German we diverted German for each away from Russia at least twice during critical points in the Russian invasion.......that and the fact that we gave them all of their weapons and vehicles since the Russians lost their to the initial German invasion....but nice try.

 

[my2¢]

After a minute or two of research from what I can tell the major difference between gun laws in U.S. and Canada is:

Carrying a handgun in Canada without authorization is very illegal and there is virtually no way for you to get authorization to do so without having a job which requires it.

How To legally Get A Gun in Canada

 

[2aguy]

Russia would have lost the war if the United States hadn't helped them...stalin was incompetent and they had no war material after Germany captured most of it on the border...stalin had planned on invading Germany, and missed his chance because the Germans invaded first.....

I posted this several years ago to show how stupid the Russians were and how badly they needed us....in response to another twit poster like joe...

This article looks at the Soviets during world war 2, their intention to invade the west, which was beaten by Germany invading two weeks early and why they lost so quickly at first...

Russia In World War 2

But what Russian historiography censored for decades, is the large scale of total morale collapse of Soviet armed forces and Communist party establishments which escaped, 'disappeared', or surrendered before they even were engaged in battle. Millions, from privates to Generals, individually or as entire units, abandoned their tanks, guns, air bases, without battle, and escaped on vehicles or on foot, or simply disappeared into the nearby villages and forests.


Fighting and then losing is one thing. Massive and rapid escape without a fight and massive voluntary surrender, are another, and Soviet censorship tried to hide that, by further intensifying the myth of the destructiveness of the German attack, and by further intensifying the belief that the entire red army was right on the border. There are reports of entire unit staffs which escaped without battle and were found again hundreds of kilometers to the East. There were tens of Generals who disappeared and were never located again.

There are reports of tank divisions which, although they were not right on the border and were not engaged in fighting in the first day, miraculously 'lost' 100% of their tanks and other fighting equipment in the second day of fighting, without actually being engaged in battle, and then escaped hundreds of kilometers eastwards almost without losing a single truck even to technical malfunction.

There are reports of entire Air Force regiments which reported that they suffered negligible or no losses in the air or on the ground at the first day, and then simply abandoned their air bases and escaped by trucks and on foot. In 1941 Russia lost millions of soldiers. Only 32% of the reported losses were the dead and wounded. Millions surrendered, many of them as fast as they could, and so many others escaped from the front, either disappeared or remained in service, but only after a distant escape and after abandoning every weapon or equipment, even rifles and light mortars, that could force them to stay and fight.


The apparent reasons for this mass unwillingness to fight were:

• A further intensified mental shock of those who were always trained educated and taught others that attack and victory are the only possible option, and suddenly found themselves under massive surprise attack for which they never planned or prepared.
• Stalin, the murderous dictator, was surrounded with people who told him much too often what he wanted to hear about Russia's preparations for war. The enormous reported numbers of material production and manpower training were perhaps correct. For example the figures of vast mass-training of pilots (which, by the way, were NOT volunteers, unlike pilots anywhere else in the world), and received minimal training, in order to keep up with the enormous training quotas dictated by Stalin.But what Stalin never suspected, was the possibility that in his regime of mass terror and fear, where so many millions were imprisoned and millions others killed by the police, and where tens of millions starved for years in order to pay for the enormous cost of the vast effort to convert Russia with a period of just two decades from a mostly agricultural country to an industrial militarist super-power with gigantic military power. Stalin never suspected that under a massive attack on his brutal regime, the people, the millions of soldiers who previously suffered from the regime, millions were former political prisoners of which many were recruited from hard labor prisons directly to war front military service, will favor surrender to defending their homeland, or will have no willingness to fight immediately as they realized that since they're country is being massively attacked there's a good chance that they can escape from the war without being punished by the formidable regime. Given the possibility that for the first time in their life non-cooperation with the Communist regime will NOT be severely punished, so many favored that option, and that's something the Russian censorship could never admit.
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  So while in all material aspects Russia was enormously prepared for war, and could therefore theoretically manage much better than it did, even under a massive surprise attack, in morale terms, the Russian people in the front (which rapidly moved East all across the long front), were generally unwilling to fight for their terrible terror regime once fear of it was lost since the regime itself was being attacked and in danger.

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Also...The Biggest Mistakes In World War 2

• In 1941, Stalin received a stream of information from military intelligence and spies, that Germany is going to invade Russia, as Hitler promised since the 1920s. After discussions, Stalin decided that the information was inconclusive and perhaps deliberate disinformation, and decided that there will be no invasion.
• As the invasion came nearer, the stream of information indicating invasion intensified, but then Stalin forbid his advisors from further disturbing him with it. Anyone who still suggested that there might be a German invasion, risked execution. Fear was such that when the invasion started, no one dared to awake Stalin and tell him about it, until Zhukov, the deputy supreme commander, told Stalin's bodyguards that he takes responsibility for awakening the dictator and telling him the bad news.

• Both Hitler and Stalin refused to allow retreats, as a matter of principle and regardless of the military situation. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers in each side died in vain because they were not allowed to retreat when was necessary. Russia almost lost the war because of that in 1941, and Hitler's army suffered horrible losses because of that, mainly in the winter of 1942 and in Stalingrad a year later.

Until April 1941, Russia was at war with Japan in the far East, and in 1941-1942 it fought desperately against the German invasion. But since the end of the battle of Stalingrad in Feb. 1943, Russia knew that it was going to win the war, and that Germany and Japan were losing it.

It was convenient for Russia to focus entirely on defeating Germany and leave the war against Japan entirely to the US, which also provided Russia with enormous material support. During the war, Russia provided air bases for British heavy bombers which bombed Germany, but refused to provide such bases for American bombers in the Russian far East, apparently in return for a quiet Japanese agreement not to attack American supply convoys sailing to Russia's far East ports.
And from wikipedia...

Soviet Union in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the initial hours after the German attack commenced, Stalin hesitated, wanting to ensure that the German attack was sanctioned by Hitler, rather than the unauthorized action of a rogue general.[SUP][53][/SUP] Accounts by Nikita Khrushchev and Anastas Mikoyan claim that, after the invasion, Stalin retreated to his dacha in despair for several days and did not participate in leadership decisions.[SUP][54][/SUP] However, some documentary evidence of orders given by Stalin contradicts these accounts, leading some historians to speculate that Khrushchev's account is inaccurate.[SUP][55][/SUP]

In the first three weeks of the invasion, attempting to defend against large German advances, the Soviet Union suffered 750,000 casualties, and lost 10,000 tanks and 4,000 aircraft.[SUP][56][/SUP] In July 1940, Stalin completely reorganized the Soviet military, placing himself directly in charge of several military organizations, which gave him complete control of his country's entire war effort; more control than any other leader in World War II.[SUP][57][/SUP]


A pattern soon emerged where Stalin embraced the Red Army's strategy of conducting multiple offensives, while the Germans soon overran each of the resulting small newly gained grounds, dealing the Soviets severe casualties.[SUP][58][/SUP] The most notable example of this was the Battle of Kiev, where over 600,000 Soviet troops were quickly killed, captured or had gone missing.[SUP][58][/SUP]


By the end of 1941, the Soviet military had suffered 4.3 million casualties[SUP][59][/SUP] and the Germans had captured 3.0 million Soviet prisoners, 2.0 million of which would die in German captivity by February 1942.[SUP][56][/SUP] German forces had advanced c. 1,700 kilometers, and maintained a linearly-measured front of 3,000 kilometers.[SUP][60][/SUP] The Red Army put up fierce resistance during the war's early stages. Even so, according to Glantz, they were plagued by an ineffective defense doctrine against well-trained and experienced German forces, despite possessing some modern Soviet equipment such as theKV-1 and T-34 tanks.

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And this is Why America was so important to the Russians..without us, Russia would have fallne to the Germans....

At the same time, worried by the possibility of American support after their entry into the war following the Attack on Pearl Harbor, and a potential Anglo-American invasion on the Western Front in 1942 (which would not actually happen until 1944), Hitler shifted his primary goal from an immediate victory in the East, to the more long-term goal of securing the southern Soviet Union to protect oil fields vital to the long-term German war effort.[SUP][69[/SUP]


The Germans did attempt an encirclement attack at Kursk, which was successfully repulsed by the Soviets[SUP][78][/SUP] after Hitler canceled the offensive, in part, because of the Allied invasion of Sicily,[SUP][79][/SUP] though the Soviets suffered over 800,000 casualties.[SUP][80][/SUP]




also from wikipedia on the Red Army...

Red Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The unprepared Soviet forces suffered much damage in the field because of mediocre officers, partial mobilization, an incomplete reorganization and mainly because they were arranged to attack Central Europe, and not to defend Soviet territory.[SUP][39][/SUP] The hasty pre-war forces expansion and the over-promotion of inexperienced officers (owing to the purging of experienced officers) favored the Wehrmacht in combat.[SUP][39][/SUP]


And another great mistake by Stalin that almost lost the war for the Soviets...

Purges

Further information: Case of Trotskyist Anti-Soviet Military Organization
The late 1930s saw the so-called Purges of the Red Army Cadres, which occurred concurrently with Stalin's Great Purge of Soviet society. In 1936 and 1937, at the orders of Stalin, thousands of Red Army officers were dismissed from their commands.

The purges had the objective of cleansing the Red Army of the "politically unreliable elements", mainly among higher-ranking officers. This inevitably provided a convenient pretext for the settling of personal vendettas or to eliminate competition by officers seeking the same command. Many army, corps, and divisional commanders were sacked, most were imprisoned or sent to labor camps; others were executed.

Among the victims was the Red Army's primary military theorist, Marshal Mikhail Tukhachevsky, perceived by Stalin as a potential political rival. Officers who remained soon found all of their decisions being closely examined by political officers, even in mundane matters such as record-keeping and field training exercises.

[SUP][72][/SUP] An atmosphere of fear and unwillingness to take the initiative soon pervaded the Red Army; suicide rates among junior officers rose to record levels.[SUP][72][/SUP] Most historians believe that the purges significantly impaired the combat capabilities of the Red Army. However, the extent of the consequential damage attributable to them is still debated.
Recently declassified data indicate that in 1937, at the height of the Purges, the Red Army had 114,300 officers, of whom 11,034 were dismissed. In 1938, the Red Army had 179,000 officers, 56% more than in 1937, of whom a further 6,742 were sacked. In the highest echelons of the Red Army the Purges removed 3 of 5 marshals, 13 of 15 army generals, 8 of 9 admirals, 50 of 57 army corps generals, 154 out of 186 division generals, 16 of 16 army commissars, and 25 of 28 army corps commissars.[SUP][73][/SUP]
The result was that the Red Army officer corps in 1941 had many inexperienced senior officers. While 60% of regimental commanders had two years or more of command experience in June 1941, and almost 80% of rifle division commanders, only 20% of corps commanders, and 5% or fewer army and military district commanders, had the same level of experience.[SUP][74][/SUP]


Russia was going to lose the war if not for the United States.......

Remember, they also invaded Poland...

The 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland was a Soviet military operation that started without a formal declaration of war on 17 September 1939, during the early stages of World War II. Sixteen days afterNazi Germany invaded Poland from the west, the Soviet Union did so from the east. The invasion ended on 6 October 1939 with the division and annexing of the whole of the Second Polish Republicby Germany and the Soviet Union.[SUP][6][/SUP]
Also...

American Weapons in Russian Army | English Russia

During World War 2 America helped Soviet Russia a lot with different weapons. Trucks, jeeps, military and cargo planes – all sorts of technical equipment was sent to Russia.
In this post we’ll have some unique photos from WW2 by Russian soldier who participated in such missions to America for this help. He was a pilot and their squad was taking American planes to Russia during the war. According to his son’s stories this visits to USA left a big impression upon minds of Russian soldiers, but they were desperate to help their country to win the war and none of the decided to seek a refuge in States.
They usually were taking B-25 heavy bomber planes and P-53 “King Cobras” lighter fighters. It’s interesting that the Red Stars, the emblems of Soviet Russian Army were printed on the planes right in the US and they were flying those Red Star marked planes above USA freely on their way to Russia. Those were the only times I guess when Russian military planes were above the States. Though those Red Star logos were afterwards wiped out in Russia because they were paintedon a white circle, according USAAF standards and were not exactly what Stalin and other Russian chief commanders wanted to see on Russian planes.

 

[jon_berzerk]

After a minute or two of research from what I can tell the major difference between gun laws in U.S. and Canada is:

Carrying a handgun in Canada without authorization is very illegal and there is virtually no way for you to get authorization to do so without having a job which requires it.

How To legally Get A Gun in Canada

the other major difference it is written into our Constitution recognizing the right to firearms

in Canada not so much

 

[2aguy]

Sure it would have, just like it DID in Ireland under the tactics of Michael Collins.

Michael Collins (Irish leader) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Just like it did work for the Mexican population when their socialist government tried to strip their Catholicism from them.

Cristero War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to mention of course the American Revolution itself, doofus.

Let's talk something modern. How about Yemen? They are third in the world in guns per capita. Seems their gun wielding militia types put them into chaos and war.

And from my link about our revolution:
The idea that militias are the bulwark against tyranny typically begins in a faulty reading of American History. The Revolutionary War was not won by Militias, but rather the Continental Army with considerable help from the French. While it is probably an exaggeration to suggest that the Militia was completely worthless during the War, that is far closer to reality than the myth promulgated by some pro-gun advocates. And the Militias that did significantly contribute to the cause were organized by the states and represented a well-disciplined, cohesive fighting force that mirrored the Continental Army, not the minutemen of lore.

I didn't say militias twit. I said an armed population….

Mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing……all happen to people who are unarmed……let's try something different….

A militia and armed population are the same things. At least you claim that when translating the constitution.

Yemen has lots of guns. Working real well for them.

No...that is what you guys claim when you want to disarm individual citizens......

We have lots of guns too........and if you don't live in a democrat city you are very safe.

357 million guns in private hands...... 505 accidental deaths and 8,124 gun murders mostly committed by criminals murdering other criminals....

The 357,000,000 is the larger number.......

No the anti gun people claim the constitution is only for militias. Individuals clearly aren't militias.

Your stats really show how guns aren't needed for defense.

Except when they are.....and according to bill clinton they are used 1.5 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack.

 

[2aguy]

wrong…..suicides don't count…

That is the truth, the fact and the reality.

are you done with your canned talking points, or do you have anything new to add to the Conversation, Dick Tiny?

Fact is, we have 33,000 gun deaths in this country every year. Only 1800 or so can be traced to "gangs". That's according to the federal agency that tracks gang violence.

We had 8,124 gun murders in 2014 according to the FBI table 8, 505 accidental gun deaths in 2013 according to the CDC and over 21,000 gun suicides.....which don't count because we also had 19,900 suicides without guns...and Japan, South Korea and China have absolute gun control and higher suicide rates than we do...without any guns.

And the majority of all 8,124 gun murders is by violent career criminals....and the fact that gang members commit most of it but are only identified for their specific gang job related deaths is true.......the other murders they commit.....in non gang job related activity doesn't take away their gang membership.

 

[2aguy]

In America gun ownership is a Constitutional right. The government does not have the authority to violate that right. All government employees (including the military and police) are sworn "...to protect and defend the Constitution (not the government) against all enemies foreign and domestic..." Maybe someday Canada will get over being so backward.

YOu mean enjoying a lower crime rate, lower murder rate, longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates, lower poverty rates.... all of these things make Canada "Backwards".

How's the weather on Bizarro World?

Canada doesn't do anything...as Canadian Mike Meyers from SNL pointed out, Canada is a specatator nation....they don't have to fund a military to confront real threats...so they can spend their money on whatever they want, they don't have a history of democrat racism that has created inner city hell holes, so they don't have the gun crime that we have........

It is like saying your 5 year old is happier than you are because they can play all day and not have to go to an actual job and pay actual bills......of course they are happier, they don't have real problems or real responsibilities....

 

[2aguy]

Ummmm, Stalingrad didn't begin until the end of August 1942, dumbass. Your knowledge of history is as faulty are your knowledge of pretty much everything.

Stalingrad wasn't the capital of Russia. The German advance on MOSCOW was halted in 1941, that was the point.

The point was, the Russians did most of the heavy lifting in WWII, we just reaped the benefits.

We should totally apply the same policy to Syria and Iraq.

Wrong....Russia screwed up so badly that if we had not entered the war they would be German. Stalin screwed up everything and only our help saved them.....had hitler not been distracted by the U.S. he would have crushed the Russians.

 

[jillian]

Umm...illegals don't have second amendment rights,

Again, you guys ignore your own rhetoric. If you accept gun ownership is a human right, then it applies to illegals as much as the right to Freedom of Religion or Due Process... If you accept that the reason why you have a gun is to protect yourself against the government, then t hey have EVERY right to fight the government with their guns as the Bundy Brothers have.

and Christian theology had nothing to do with Hitler you moron, other than to be used as propaganda for idiots like yourself.

Quite the contrary. The country that produced a religious text entitled "On The Jews and their Lies" (written by Martin Luther, the founder of German Protestantism) isn't stepping all that far when it produces a Hitler.

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, in our politically correct, Kumbaya singing modern world, this all sounds crazy, but back then, when preachers and priests repeatedly said from the pulpit the Jews murdered their imaginary God-man, a guy like Hitler coming along shouldn't be shocking.

Isn't this, after all, the whole argument of the Zionist? That you need your own country because you can't trust everyone else to not murder you? (Of course, it would have been nice if you hadn't stolen someone else's land to do that. Because now they want to totally murder you for some reason. Oh, yeah, because you stole their land! That was it.)

Umm...Gun ownership is not a human right. it is a right guaranteed to American citizens, under the Constitution. Also if you actually think that Hitler murdered Jews for religious reasons you're dumber than I thought

guns in this country aren't intended to be used against the government. that's why their are laws against treason and why the second was intended to apply to a "well-regulated militia".

hitler did not murder jews for religious reasons, if it was just religious he wouldn't have killed 5 million gays, gypsies and catholics as well.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Umm...illegals don't have second amendment rights,

Again, you guys ignore your own rhetoric. If you accept gun ownership is a human right, then it applies to illegals as much as the right to Freedom of Religion or Due Process... If you accept that the reason why you have a gun is to protect yourself against the government, then t hey have EVERY right to fight the government with their guns as the Bundy Brothers have.

and Christian theology had nothing to do with Hitler you moron, other than to be used as propaganda for idiots like yourself.

Quite the contrary. The country that produced a religious text entitled "On The Jews and their Lies" (written by Martin Luther, the founder of German Protestantism) isn't stepping all that far when it produces a Hitler.

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, in our politically correct, Kumbaya singing modern world, this all sounds crazy, but back then, when preachers and priests repeatedly said from the pulpit the Jews murdered their imaginary God-man, a guy like Hitler coming along shouldn't be shocking.

Isn't this, after all, the whole argument of the Zionist? That you need your own country because you can't trust everyone else to not murder you? (Of course, it would have been nice if you hadn't stolen someone else's land to do that. Because now they want to totally murder you for some reason. Oh, yeah, because you stole their land! That was it.)

Umm...Gun ownership is not a human right. it is a right guaranteed to American citizens, under the Constitution. Also if you actually think that Hitler murdered Jews for religious reasons you're dumber than I thought

guns in this country aren't intended to be used against the government. that's why their are laws against treason and why the second was intended to apply to a "well-regulated militia".

hitler did not murder jews for religious reasons, if it was just religious he wouldn't have killed 5 million gays, gypsies and catholics as well.

If a government becomes tyrannical indeed they are intended to be used against the government. That is exactly why we have the 2nd

 

[M14 Shooter]

Appeals to emotion are logical fallacies; rational, thinking people will not be swayed by fallacious arguments.
So, when you think you can introduce actual reason in your arguments, let us know.

We're not vulcans ya know. Humans are emotional beings and a lot of decisions are made via emotion AND logic. Whoever said appeals to emotion are fallacies didn't know what they were talking about. I think walking around minding your own business and not wanting to get shot is good enough of a reason to ban certain guns and increase background he

Fallacious arguments are unsound.
Rational, thinking people are not swayed by fallacious arguments.
Your arguments from emotion are fallacious.
So, when you think you can introduce actual reason in your arguments, let us know.

I'm not saying that will be the outcome (to a degree), but if you think that is a reason why people want bans or restrictions then you don't have a clue.

On the contrary. You (individually, and anti-gun loons as a group) seek as much state power as you can get; the state having a monopoly on force is the greatest power of all.