How American gun deaths and gun laws compare to Canada's

[percysunshine]

No the anti gun people claim the constitution is only for militias. Individuals clearly aren't militias.

Your stats really show how guns aren't needed for defense.

The Supreme Court settled that bullshit argument. The 2A is clearly for individual rights, numbskull.

And the stats show EXACTLY WHY guns are needed for self defense.

Really? What stats? In a country of 320 million there are only 1.2 million violent crimes each year. Many of those are gang on gang, criminal on criminal. If you aren't involved in criminal activity the chances of needing a gun for defense are really slim. And if you did choose to carry it is hardly making you safer. The armed criminal is far more likely to shoot you if you pull a gun on them. And 17,000 are shot accidently each year, no criminal necessary.

In 2013...there were over 320 million guns in private hands...and only 505 accidental gun deaths.......

And over 1.5 million defensive gun uses by armed Americans.

How to Perform the Heimlich Maneuver.

 

[Brain357]

Really? What stats? In a country of 320 million there are only 1.2 million violent crimes each year. Many of those are gang on gang, criminal on criminal. If you aren't involved in criminal activity the chances of needing a gun for defense are really slim. And if you did choose to carry it is hardly making you safer. The armed criminal is far more likely to shoot you if you pull a gun on them. And 17,000 are shot accidently each year, no criminal necessary.

Lol, statistical lies abound here.

First you move the goal posts and make it about violent crimes; why? Are you any less violated if a man robs you with threat of physical violence but never harms you? How many nonviolent crimes could have become violent easily had the criminal misread the victims intentions? Every crime where the assailant and the victim meet face to face is a potentially violent crime but the government does not record things that way.

Secondly no one without a death wish loses control of their gun and lets the criminal have the gun. That is a libtard myth.

Thirdly no one waits for the criminal to show up with their gun, then draws down on them, idiot. You go to the disturbance with your gun at the ready, there is no fast draw, lol.

And where do you get the stats that 17k gun owners accidentally shot themselves every year? lol I never see more than 1000 annually estimated.

If you are there face to face with the criminal it is a violent crime.

Most the instances of defense I have read the criminal has the gun drawn on the victim long before the victim knows he is a victim.
How Many Accidental Gun Injuries per Year? - The Volokh Conspiracy

Actually, according to CDC’s WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S., though only about 600 people killed in such shootings.

 

[Brain357]

Most crimes attempted on the law abiding are reported. Maybe crimes attempted on those who are involved in criminal activity are not reported.

Bullshit.

It is impossible for the government to track reports of unreported crimes, fool.

Law abiding who want the criminal stopped report crimes.

 

[2aguy]

Really? What stats? In a country of 320 million there are only 1.2 million violent crimes each year. Many of those are gang on gang, criminal on criminal. If you aren't involved in criminal activity the chances of needing a gun for defense are really slim. And if you did choose to carry it is hardly making you safer. The armed criminal is far more likely to shoot you if you pull a gun on them. And 17,000 are shot accidently each year, no criminal necessary.

Lol, statistical lies abound here.

First you move the goal posts and make it about violent crimes; why? Are you any less violated if a man robs you with threat of physical violence but never harms you? How many nonviolent crimes could have become violent easily had the criminal misread the victims intentions? Every crime where the assailant and the victim meet face to face is a potentially violent crime but the government does not record things that way.

Secondly no one without a death wish loses control of their gun and lets the criminal have the gun. That is a libtard myth.

Thirdly no one waits for the criminal to show up with their gun, then draws down on them, idiot. You go to the disturbance with your gun at the ready, there is no fast draw, lol.

And where do you get the stats that 17k gun owners accidentally shot themselves every year? lol I never see more than 1000 annually estimated.

If you are there face to face with the criminal it is a violent crime.

Most the instances of defense I have read the criminal has the gun drawn on the victim long before the victim knows he is a victim.
How Many Accidental Gun Injuries per Year? - The Volokh Conspiracy

Actually, according to CDC’s WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S., though only about 600 people killed in such shootings.

In a country of over 357 million guns........not a problem is it. And if the criminal has a gun on you, if you also have a gun your chances of surviving are better.....have you ever studied self defense......or actual gun self defense...obviously not...

 

[Brain357]

You must be involved in criminal activity, as are your friends. I don't doubt criminals will tell you they defend themselves all the time.

Again, you demonstrate your stupidity via confirmation bias.
I have had two attempted entries into an apartment, one attempted pull over robbery, and one where a woman came into my unlocked apartment and begged me to help her and that her BF was trying to kill her. I stepped outside to see him leave when he saw me with my gun.

So that is three defenses of myself and one of a third party.

My two friends were trying to take money out of an ATM when morons walked up behind them and told them to give them the money. Instead they both pulled their guns out and the would be robbers ran.

So it seems like you and your friends are magnets or crime then. Why is that? Involved in some criminal activity are you?

 

[Brain357]

Really? What stats? In a country of 320 million there are only 1.2 million violent crimes each year. Many of those are gang on gang, criminal on criminal. If you aren't involved in criminal activity the chances of needing a gun for defense are really slim. And if you did choose to carry it is hardly making you safer. The armed criminal is far more likely to shoot you if you pull a gun on them. And 17,000 are shot accidently each year, no criminal necessary.

Lol, statistical lies abound here.

First you move the goal posts and make it about violent crimes; why? Are you any less violated if a man robs you with threat of physical violence but never harms you? How many nonviolent crimes could have become violent easily had the criminal misread the victims intentions? Every crime where the assailant and the victim meet face to face is a potentially violent crime but the government does not record things that way.

Secondly no one without a death wish loses control of their gun and lets the criminal have the gun. That is a libtard myth.

Thirdly no one waits for the criminal to show up with their gun, then draws down on them, idiot. You go to the disturbance with your gun at the ready, there is no fast draw, lol.

And where do you get the stats that 17k gun owners accidentally shot themselves every year? lol I never see more than 1000 annually estimated.

If you are there face to face with the criminal it is a violent crime.

Most the instances of defense I have read the criminal has the gun drawn on the victim long before the victim knows he is a victim.
How Many Accidental Gun Injuries per Year? - The Volokh Conspiracy

Actually, according to CDC’s WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S., though only about 600 people killed in such shootings.

In a country of over 357 million guns........not a problem is it. And if the criminal has a gun on you, if you also have a gun your chances of surviving are better.....have you ever studied self defense......or actual gun self defense...obviously not...

Why do you think your chances of surviving are better? Armed defenders are shot and killed all the time.

Homicide is a tiny fraction of a percent of all crime. They just want to rob you unless you pull a gun.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

After a minute or two of research from what I can tell the major difference between gun laws in U.S. and Canada is:

Carrying a handgun in Canada without authorization is very illegal and there is virtually no way for you to get authorization to do so without having a job which requires it.

How To legally Get A Gun in Canada

the other major difference it is written into our Constitution recognizing the right to firearms

in Canada not so much

Ultimately, as I said before, it's the difference between a nation that was founded in violent rebellion against a horrendous tyrant, and a nation that was founded in cowering and grovelling before that same tyrant.

 

[Brain357]

Really? What stats? In a country of 320 million there are only 1.2 million violent crimes each year. Many of those are gang on gang, criminal on criminal. If you aren't involved in criminal activity the chances of needing a gun for defense are really slim. And if you did choose to carry it is hardly making you safer. The armed criminal is far more likely to shoot you if you pull a gun on them. And 17,000 are shot accidently each year, no criminal necessary.

Lol, statistical lies abound here.

First you move the goal posts and make it about violent crimes; why? Are you any less violated if a man robs you with threat of physical violence but never harms you? How many nonviolent crimes could have become violent easily had the criminal misread the victims intentions? Every crime where the assailant and the victim meet face to face is a potentially violent crime but the government does not record things that way.

Secondly no one without a death wish loses control of their gun and lets the criminal have the gun. That is a libtard myth.

Thirdly no one waits for the criminal to show up with their gun, then draws down on them, idiot. You go to the disturbance with your gun at the ready, there is no fast draw, lol.

And where do you get the stats that 17k gun owners accidentally shot themselves every year? lol I never see more than 1000 annually estimated.

If you are there face to face with the criminal it is a violent crime.

Most the instances of defense I have read the criminal has the gun drawn on the victim long before the victim knows he is a victim.
How Many Accidental Gun Injuries per Year? - The Volokh Conspiracy

Actually, according to CDC’s WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S., though only about 600 people killed in such shootings.

In a country of over 357 million guns........not a problem is it. And if the criminal has a gun on you, if you also have a gun your chances of surviving are better.....have you ever studied self defense......or actual gun self defense...obviously not...

I am aware that in a very safe country you have been duped by the defense industry into buying lots of guns and defense training. They have to make you think you are in danger to buy what they are selling. Of course statistically you are very safe, but that doesn't help their business. Somehow they still find people who aren't very bright to buy. You seem to really enjoy being duped.

 

[2aguy]

Really? What stats? In a country of 320 million there are only 1.2 million violent crimes each year. Many of those are gang on gang, criminal on criminal. If you aren't involved in criminal activity the chances of needing a gun for defense are really slim. And if you did choose to carry it is hardly making you safer. The armed criminal is far more likely to shoot you if you pull a gun on them. And 17,000 are shot accidently each year, no criminal necessary.

Lol, statistical lies abound here.

First you move the goal posts and make it about violent crimes; why? Are you any less violated if a man robs you with threat of physical violence but never harms you? How many nonviolent crimes could have become violent easily had the criminal misread the victims intentions? Every crime where the assailant and the victim meet face to face is a potentially violent crime but the government does not record things that way.

Secondly no one without a death wish loses control of their gun and lets the criminal have the gun. That is a libtard myth.

Thirdly no one waits for the criminal to show up with their gun, then draws down on them, idiot. You go to the disturbance with your gun at the ready, there is no fast draw, lol.

And where do you get the stats that 17k gun owners accidentally shot themselves every year? lol I never see more than 1000 annually estimated.

If you are there face to face with the criminal it is a violent crime.

Most the instances of defense I have read the criminal has the gun drawn on the victim long before the victim knows he is a victim.
How Many Accidental Gun Injuries per Year? - The Volokh Conspiracy

Actually, according to CDC’s WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S., though only about 600 people killed in such shootings.

In a country of over 357 million guns........not a problem is it. And if the criminal has a gun on you, if you also have a gun your chances of surviving are better.....have you ever studied self defense......or actual gun self defense...obviously not...

I am aware that in a very safe country you have been duped by the defense industry into buying lots of guns and defense training. They have to make you think you are in danger to buy what they are selling. Of course statistically you are very safe, but that doesn't help their business. Somehow they still find people who aren't very bright to buy. You seem to really enjoy being duped.

Yes...and you are a twit. Every day, despite the low crime rate outside of democrat controlled cities, people are raped, robbed, and murdered and they never have advanced warning as to wether it is their turn to be a victim. I make a rational decision based on the facts free of emotion....unlike the anti gunners who fear guns on a phobia level.

 

[2aguy]

Really? What stats? In a country of 320 million there are only 1.2 million violent crimes each year. Many of those are gang on gang, criminal on criminal. If you aren't involved in criminal activity the chances of needing a gun for defense are really slim. And if you did choose to carry it is hardly making you safer. The armed criminal is far more likely to shoot you if you pull a gun on them. And 17,000 are shot accidently each year, no criminal necessary.

Lol, statistical lies abound here.

First you move the goal posts and make it about violent crimes; why? Are you any less violated if a man robs you with threat of physical violence but never harms you? How many nonviolent crimes could have become violent easily had the criminal misread the victims intentions? Every crime where the assailant and the victim meet face to face is a potentially violent crime but the government does not record things that way.

Secondly no one without a death wish loses control of their gun and lets the criminal have the gun. That is a libtard myth.

Thirdly no one waits for the criminal to show up with their gun, then draws down on them, idiot. You go to the disturbance with your gun at the ready, there is no fast draw, lol.

And where do you get the stats that 17k gun owners accidentally shot themselves every year? lol I never see more than 1000 annually estimated.

If you are there face to face with the criminal it is a violent crime.

Most the instances of defense I have read the criminal has the gun drawn on the victim long before the victim knows he is a victim.
How Many Accidental Gun Injuries per Year? - The Volokh Conspiracy

Actually, according to CDC’s WISQARS, there are about 14,000-19,000 nonfatal injuries stemming from accidental shootings per year in the U.S., though only about 600 people killed in such shootings.

In a country of over 357 million guns........not a problem is it. And if the criminal has a gun on you, if you also have a gun your chances of surviving are better.....have you ever studied self defense......or actual gun self defense...obviously not...

Why do you think your chances of surviving are better? Armed defenders are shot and killed all the time.

Homicide is a tiny fraction of a percent of all crime. They just want to rob you unless you pull a gun.

And women who use a gun to stop a rape are more successful than unarmed women, and people who use guns against attackers are more successful and are injured less often. There are only 8,124 gun murders, the majority of which are criminals murdering other criminals...

and 1.5 million times a year Armed Americans stop violent criminal attack....most of the time never having to fire a shot.

 

[westwall]

You must be involved in criminal activity, as are your friends. I don't doubt criminals will tell you they defend themselves all the time.

Again, you demonstrate your stupidity via confirmation bias.
I have had two attempted entries into an apartment, one attempted pull over robbery, and one where a woman came into my unlocked apartment and begged me to help her and that her BF was trying to kill her. I stepped outside to see him leave when he saw me with my gun.

So that is three defenses of myself and one of a third party.

My two friends were trying to take money out of an ATM when morons walked up behind them and told them to give them the money. Instead they both pulled their guns out and the would be robbers ran.

So it seems like you and your friends are magnets or crime then. Why is that? Involved in some criminal activity are you?

Nope. It's called the law of averages. There are very few cops in this country. There are quite a few criminals, they outnumber cops by at least 7 to one. There are however WAY more regular citizens. Regular citizen going about his business is accosted by bad guy. Cops are nowhere to be seen, so good guy defends himself. Just the way it should work.

 

[JoeB131]

You're so damn stupid 1945? Japan was pretty much defeated. Wow you're a dumb ass. Where do people like you come from? is the anti american stuff part of your psychosis?

If Japan was so defeated, why were Truman and Churchill so determined to get Russia into the Pacific War? At the time of VJ Day, they still controlled half of China, half the Philippines, and most of South East Asia. Then the USSR Rolled up the Kwantung Army in less than a week.

Wrong...without us the Russians would be speaking German we diverted German for each away from Russia at least twice during critical points in the Russian invasion.......that and the fact that we gave them all of their weapons and vehicles since the Russians lost their to the initial German invasion....but nice try.

Uh, no, guy. The USSR had a pretty awesome military production machine.

Let's take tanks.

The USSR produced 62,000 tanks in WWII.

Soviet combat vehicle production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Compared to the US, which produced 88,000. Very few of them were transfered to the USSR.

The reality is, most of the Axis Armies were fighting in the East.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope. It's called the law of averages. There are very few cops in this country. There are quite a few criminals, they outnumber cops by at least 7 to one. There are however WAY more regular citizens. Regular citizen going about his business is accosted by bad guy. Cops are nowhere to be seen, so good guy defends himself. Just the way it should work.

again- a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill someone in the household than a bad guy.

 

[westwall]

Nope. It's called the law of averages. There are very few cops in this country. There are quite a few criminals, they outnumber cops by at least 7 to one. There are however WAY more regular citizens. Regular citizen going about his business is accosted by bad guy. Cops are nowhere to be seen, so good guy defends himself. Just the way it should work.

again- a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill someone in the household than a bad guy.

And again for the umpteenth time that "factoid" has been proven to be utter bullshit.

 

[westwall]

You're so damn stupid 1945? Japan was pretty much defeated. Wow you're a dumb ass. Where do people like you come from? is the anti american stuff part of your psychosis?

If Japan was so defeated, why were Truman and Churchill so determined to get Russia into the Pacific War? At the time of VJ Day, they still controlled half of China, half the Philippines, and most of South East Asia. Then the USSR Rolled up the Kwantung Army in less than a week.

Wrong...without us the Russians would be speaking German we diverted German for each away from Russia at least twice during critical points in the Russian invasion.......that and the fact that we gave them all of their weapons and vehicles since the Russians lost their to the initial German invasion....but nice try.

Uh, no, guy. The USSR had a pretty awesome military production machine.

Let's take tanks.

The USSR produced 62,000 tanks in WWII.

Soviet combat vehicle production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Compared to the US, which produced 88,000. Very few of them were transfered to the USSR.

The reality is, most of the Axis Armies were fighting in the East.

The reality joe boy is the US propped the Soviet Union up long enough for them to get their act together. We GAVE them millions of tons of food, ammunition, weapons, tanks, thousands of aircraft etc. Were it not for the US the Soviets would have been knocked out of the war by the end of 1942.

We also, completely mobilized their army. While the German supply trail was still primarily horse drawn we GAVE the SU 600,000 trucks to transport supplies, so no, you know absolutely fucking nothing about the subject.

 

[JoeB131]

And again for the umpteenth time that "factoid" has been proven to be utter bullshit.

Denial is not an refutation.

Hey, guy, if you don't think it's accurate, here's a simple solution. Let the CDC start studying gun violence again.

Because when Kellerman made this determination, the gun industry got congress to stop funding gun studies.

Now it seems when an industry doesn't want something studied, it's because they know that a study would find that guns are more dangerous to the people who own them than the criminals they are supposedly protecting themselves from.

 

[JoeB131]

The reality joe boy is the US propped the Soviet Union up long enough for them to get their act together. We GAVE them millions of tons of food, ammunition, weapons, tanks, thousands of aircraft etc. Were it not for the US the Soviets would have been knocked out of the war by the end of 1942.

Probably not. By the end of 1942, we didn't even have a footprint in Europe. We didn't even launch our first offensive - Operation Torch, until November 1942 and even then, we needed British help to attack a minor Axis Ally (Vichy France). D-Day wouldn't happen for another year and a half.

Fact is, Stalin saved us from Hitler, not we saved him. Now, I know that doesn't sit with you guys. But our self-delusions about our contributions to WWII led to all sorts of misadventures like Korea, Vietnam and Iraq where we had inflated opinions of our own prowess.

We just aren't as good at this war thing as we think we are. Not that it's really something you want to be good at.

 

[westwall]

The reality joe boy is the US propped the Soviet Union up long enough for them to get their act together. We GAVE them millions of tons of food, ammunition, weapons, tanks, thousands of aircraft etc. Were it not for the US the Soviets would have been knocked out of the war by the end of 1942.

Probably not. By the end of 1942, we didn't even have a footprint in Europe. We didn't even launch our first offensive - Operation Torch, until November 1942 and even then, we needed British help to attack a minor Axis Ally (Vichy France). D-Day wouldn't happen for another year and a half.

Fact is, Stalin saved us from Hitler, not we saved him. Now, I know that doesn't sit with you guys. But our self-delusions about our contributions to WWII led to all sorts of misadventures like Korea, Vietnam and Iraq where we had inflated opinions of our own prowess.

We just aren't as good at this war thing as we think we are. Not that it's really something you want to be good at.

Wrong. Stalin was toast until he was propped up by the UK first, and then us. You are correct that after he regained his composure he then turned the war over to the good generals he hadn't murdered in his pogroms, and THEY saved his ass. The SU did indeed fight the Germans to a standstill, but they did it with our supplies. Were our supplies not there, the SU would have collapsed. That is a fact.

 

[westwall]

And again for the umpteenth time that "factoid" has been proven to be utter bullshit.

Denial is not an refutation.

Hey, guy, if you don't think it's accurate, here's a simple solution. Let the CDC start studying gun violence again.

Because when Kellerman made this determination, the gun industry got congress to stop funding gun studies.

Now it seems when an industry doesn't want something studied, it's because they know that a study would find that guns are more dangerous to the people who own them than the criminals they are supposedly protecting themselves from.

It has been refuted many times. You know it and continue to trot it out. There are plenty of links that have been provided here in the firearms forum that show the factoid to be bullshit.

 

[Jroc]

hitler did not murder jews for religious reasons, if it was just religious he wouldn't have killed 5 million gays, gypsies and catholics as well.

A point of agreement