How American gun deaths and gun laws compare to Canada's

Well said. The claim that guns could have stopped what happened in Germany is obviously ridiculous.


Wrong….the nazis came to power because anyone who was a political opponent was beaten and their business destroyed while the police did nothing. So as they were coming to power they taught normal people…who were unarmed, not to interfere with them or resist them….and then they came to power….and again, they used the gun registration records created and collected in the Weimar Republic to disarm their political enemies and the Jews……who they then sent to gas chambers.


Then, after they defeated the weak post World War 1 militaries of the rest of Europe, the civilian populations, being unarmed, were defenseless against the German occupation of their countries……..

Had normal German opponents of the nazis had guns, they nazis could not have intimidated their way to power. Had every country in Europe been like Switzerland, with over 435,000 armed civilians ready to fight against an invasion….the ability of the Germans to take and hold those countries would have been impossible…….and the death camps would not have happened.

No that is complete fantasy.

How could they take the guns before they were in power? You aren't even making sense. Hitler did not make any new gun restrictions. And obviously a few armed citizens weren't going to stop him. Your claims are ridiculous.


They didn't….the Weimar Republic began banning and confiscating gun and registering those left….the nazis ignored all those laws of course. Hitler used the gun registration records from the Weimar government to disarm the last gun owners and Jews to make sure only the nazis and their allies had guns.

And no…had there been wide spread gun ownership at our levels the nazis would never have been able to beat and murder their way to power. And they could never have held all that territory with hundreds of thousands of armed civilians dedicated to resisting them…..

We have armed barbarians in Iraq and Afghanistan with old rifles and improvised bombs…and we are leaving, even though we have the most advanced military in the world….

So sell that crap somewhere else….an armed population can resist…an unarmed population is at the mercy of the guys with the guns……even if they are the police and the army.

So they came to power with strong gun regulations already in place. And they ran over almost all the militaries of the world. Your claim is just silly. Armed civilians would not have stopped them and probably wouldn't have really tried.


Yes, read Gun Control in the 3rd Reich…it goes through the gun control measures meant to keep Germans safe after World War 1. And did you ever read history…….you don't believe the Germans ran over all the other militaries in Europe….and would have done the same to Russia if we hadn't jumped in…….

Armed civilians stop thugs from beating people and vandalizing and looting stores…..we saw this in the Black Lies Matter riots where civilians with guns kept their stores safe….and unarmed stores were burnt to the ground.

Kristalnacht would not have happened if there was wide spread gun ownership among the Jews and other Germans.

You just have propaganda and no real facts. The nazis were very popular. No minority was going to stop them, armed or not. No civilians were going to stop their military. Do you know how many troops they killed? What happened was created by WW1, gun laws have nothing to do with it.
 
You just have propaganda and no real facts. The nazis were very popular. No minority was going to stop them, armed or not. No civilians were going to stop their military. Do you know how many troops they killed? What happened was created by WW1, gun laws have nothing to do with it.
Lol, and just what did the Russian and Polish partisans do later on in World War 2, moron?

THEY FOUGHT THE NAZI ARMY AND WON!

You libtards are so fucking stupid, it hurts to read you stupid ass bullshit.
 
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Well said. The claim that guns could have stopped what happened in Germany is obviously ridiculous.


Wrong….the nazis came to power because anyone who was a political opponent was beaten and their business destroyed while the police did nothing. So as they were coming to power they taught normal people…who were unarmed, not to interfere with them or resist them….and then they came to power….and again, they used the gun registration records created and collected in the Weimar Republic to disarm their political enemies and the Jews……who they then sent to gas chambers.


Then, after they defeated the weak post World War 1 militaries of the rest of Europe, the civilian populations, being unarmed, were defenseless against the German occupation of their countries……..

Had normal German opponents of the nazis had guns, they nazis could not have intimidated their way to power. Had every country in Europe been like Switzerland, with over 435,000 armed civilians ready to fight against an invasion….the ability of the Germans to take and hold those countries would have been impossible…….and the death camps would not have happened.

No that is complete fantasy.

How could they take the guns before they were in power? You aren't even making sense. Hitler did not make any new gun restrictions. And obviously a few armed citizens weren't going to stop him. Your claims are ridiculous.


They didn't….the Weimar Republic began banning and confiscating gun and registering those left….the nazis ignored all those laws of course. Hitler used the gun registration records from the Weimar government to disarm the last gun owners and Jews to make sure only the nazis and their allies had guns.

And no…had there been wide spread gun ownership at our levels the nazis would never have been able to beat and murder their way to power. And they could never have held all that territory with hundreds of thousands of armed civilians dedicated to resisting them…..

We have armed barbarians in Iraq and Afghanistan with old rifles and improvised bombs…and we are leaving, even though we have the most advanced military in the world….

So sell that crap somewhere else….an armed population can resist…an unarmed population is at the mercy of the guys with the guns……even if they are the police and the army.

So they came to power with strong gun regulations already in place. And they ran over almost all the militaries of the world. Your claim is just silly. Armed civilians would not have stopped them and probably wouldn't have really tried.


Yes, read Gun Control in the 3rd Reich…it goes through the gun control measures meant to keep Germans safe after World War 1. And did you ever read history…….you don't believe the Germans ran over all the other militaries in Europe….and would have done the same to Russia if we hadn't jumped in…….

Armed civilians stop thugs from beating people and vandalizing and looting stores…..we saw this in the Black Lies Matter riots where civilians with guns kept their stores safe….and unarmed stores were burnt to the ground.

Kristalnacht would not have happened if there was wide spread gun ownership among the Jews and other Germans.

This makes it very clear just how wrong you are:
Militia Myths: Why Armed Populations Don’t Prevent Tyranny, But Often Lead To It
 
You just have propaganda and no real facts. The nazis were very popular. No minority was going to stop them, armed or not. No civilians were going to stop their military. Do you know how many troops they killed? What happened was created by WW1, gun laws have nothing to do with it.
Lol, and just what did the Russian and Polish partisans do later on in World War 2, moron?

THEY FOUGHT THE NAZI ARMY AND WON!

You libtards are so fucking stupid, it hurts to read you stupid ass bullshit.

Yes eventually the nazis were defeated by the combination of many armies. But a small armed minority in Germany would have made no difference.
 
Yes eventually the nazis were defeated by the combination of many armies. But a small armed minority in Germany would have made no difference.

Sure it would have, just like it DID in Ireland under the tactics of Michael Collins.

Michael Collins (Irish leader) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Just like it did work for the Mexican population when their socialist government tried to strip their Catholicism from them.

Cristero War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to mention of course the American Revolution itself, doofus.
 
Yes eventually the nazis were defeated by the combination of many armies. But a small armed minority in Germany would have made no difference.

Sure it would have, just like it DID in Ireland under the tactics of Michael Collins.

Michael Collins (Irish leader) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Just like it did work for the Mexican population when their socialist government tried to strip their Catholicism from them.

Cristero War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to mention of course the American Revolution itself, doofus.

Let's talk something modern. How about Yemen? They are third in the world in guns per capita. Seems their gun wielding militia types put them into chaos and war.

And from my link about our revolution:
The idea that militias are the bulwark against tyranny typically begins in a faulty reading of American History. The Revolutionary War was not won by Militias, but rather the Continental Army with considerable help from the French. While it is probably an exaggeration to suggest that the Militia was completely worthless during the War, that is far closer to reality than the myth promulgated by some pro-gun advocates. And the Militias that did significantly contribute to the cause were organized by the states and represented a well-disciplined, cohesive fighting force that mirrored the Continental Army, not the minutemen of lore.
 
Let's talk something modern.

Ireland and Mexico are modern, dude.

How about Yemen? They are third in the world in guns per capita. Seems their gun wielding militia types put them into chaos and war.

Yeah, you mean the chaos they have had SINCE OVERTHROWING THEIR GOVERNMENT WITH GUNS? That Yemen? roflmao

And from my link about our revolution:
The idea that militias are the bulwark against tyranny typically begins in a faulty reading of American History. The Revolutionary War was not won by Militias, but rather the Continental Army with considerable help from the French. While it is probably an exaggeration to suggest that the Militia was completely worthless during the War, that is far closer to reality than the myth promulgated by some pro-gun advocates. And the Militias that did significantly contribute to the cause were organized by the states and represented a well-disciplined, cohesive fighting force that mirrored the Continental Army, not the minutemen of lore.


Lol, American forces in battle were typicall 25% Continentals and 75% local militia, idiot and we won with that.

It was not until 1910 or so that the militia system was replaced with the National Guard system, a more formalized militia.
 
Let's talk something modern.

Ireland and Mexico are modern, dude.

How about Yemen? They are third in the world in guns per capita. Seems their gun wielding militia types put them into chaos and war.

Yeah, you mean the chaos they have had SINCE OVERTHROWING THEIR GOVERNMENT WITH GUNS? That Yemen? roflmao

And from my link about our revolution:
The idea that militias are the bulwark against tyranny typically begins in a faulty reading of American History. The Revolutionary War was not won by Militias, but rather the Continental Army with considerable help from the French. While it is probably an exaggeration to suggest that the Militia was completely worthless during the War, that is far closer to reality than the myth promulgated by some pro-gun advocates. And the Militias that did significantly contribute to the cause were organized by the states and represented a well-disciplined, cohesive fighting force that mirrored the Continental Army, not the minutemen of lore.


Lol, American forces in battle were typicall 25% Continentals and 75% local militia, idiot and we won with that.

It was not until 1910 or so that the militia system was replaced with the National Guard system, a more formalized militia.


Modern? Did they have cell phones? Were tv's even common? No your examples are not modern.

Yes that Yemen. See how well that is working out?

Link to support your claims?
 
Let's talk something modern.

Ireland and Mexico are modern, dude.

How about Yemen? They are third in the world in guns per capita. Seems their gun wielding militia types put them into chaos and war.

Yeah, you mean the chaos they have had SINCE OVERTHROWING THEIR GOVERNMENT WITH GUNS? That Yemen? roflmao

And from my link about our revolution:
The idea that militias are the bulwark against tyranny typically begins in a faulty reading of American History. The Revolutionary War was not won by Militias, but rather the Continental Army with considerable help from the French. While it is probably an exaggeration to suggest that the Militia was completely worthless during the War, that is far closer to reality than the myth promulgated by some pro-gun advocates. And the Militias that did significantly contribute to the cause were organized by the states and represented a well-disciplined, cohesive fighting force that mirrored the Continental Army, not the minutemen of lore.


Lol, American forces in battle were typicall 25% Continentals and 75% local militia, idiot and we won with that.

It was not until 1910 or so that the militia system was replaced with the National Guard system, a more formalized militia.


Modern? Did they have cell phones? Were tv's even common? No your examples are not modern.

Yes that Yemen. See how well that is working out?

Link to support your claims?
I dont have to link facts of the public domain, idiot.

And the Modern Age started by 1500, so the examples are modern, ignoramus.
 
Let's talk something modern.

Ireland and Mexico are modern, dude.

How about Yemen? They are third in the world in guns per capita. Seems their gun wielding militia types put them into chaos and war.

Yeah, you mean the chaos they have had SINCE OVERTHROWING THEIR GOVERNMENT WITH GUNS? That Yemen? roflmao

And from my link about our revolution:
The idea that militias are the bulwark against tyranny typically begins in a faulty reading of American History. The Revolutionary War was not won by Militias, but rather the Continental Army with considerable help from the French. While it is probably an exaggeration to suggest that the Militia was completely worthless during the War, that is far closer to reality than the myth promulgated by some pro-gun advocates. And the Militias that did significantly contribute to the cause were organized by the states and represented a well-disciplined, cohesive fighting force that mirrored the Continental Army, not the minutemen of lore.


Lol, American forces in battle were typicall 25% Continentals and 75% local militia, idiot and we won with that.

It was not until 1910 or so that the militia system was replaced with the National Guard system, a more formalized militia.


Modern? Did they have cell phones? Were tv's even common? No your examples are not modern.

Yes that Yemen. See how well that is working out?

Link to support your claims?
I dont have to link facts of the public domain, idiot.

And the Modern Age started by 1500, so the examples are modern, ignoramus.

Of course you don't have links, you are talking out of your ass. Sounds like it was mostly continental army to me. Let me know when you have links.

In addition to the Continental Army regulars, local militia units, raised and funded by individual colonies/states, participated in battles throughout the war. Sometimes the militia units operated independently of the Continental Army, but often local militias were called out to support and augment the Continental Army regulars during campaigns. (The militia troops developed a reputation for being prone to premature retreats, a fact that Brigadier-General Daniel Morgan integrated into his strategy at the Battle of Cowpens in 1781.)

1500 is modern to you? That explains a lot.
 
Let's talk something modern.

Ireland and Mexico are modern, dude.

How about Yemen? They are third in the world in guns per capita. Seems their gun wielding militia types put them into chaos and war.

Yeah, you mean the chaos they have had SINCE OVERTHROWING THEIR GOVERNMENT WITH GUNS? That Yemen? roflmao

And from my link about our revolution:
The idea that militias are the bulwark against tyranny typically begins in a faulty reading of American History. The Revolutionary War was not won by Militias, but rather the Continental Army with considerable help from the French. While it is probably an exaggeration to suggest that the Militia was completely worthless during the War, that is far closer to reality than the myth promulgated by some pro-gun advocates. And the Militias that did significantly contribute to the cause were organized by the states and represented a well-disciplined, cohesive fighting force that mirrored the Continental Army, not the minutemen of lore.


Lol, American forces in battle were typicall 25% Continentals and 75% local militia, idiot and we won with that.

It was not until 1910 or so that the militia system was replaced with the National Guard system, a more formalized militia.


Modern? Did they have cell phones? Were tv's even common? No your examples are not modern.

Yes that Yemen. See how well that is working out?

Link to support your claims?
I dont have to link facts of the public domain, idiot.

And the Modern Age started by 1500, so the examples are modern, ignoramus.
In late 1776 George Washington, discouraged by the way militiamen tended to run away at the sight of a British soldier, wrathfully informed the Congress: “If I were called upon to declare…whether the militia had been most serviceable or hurtful upon the whole, I should subscribe to the latter.”
 
Yeah the elite left has no agenda when it comes to gun rights...if you believe that, you will believe anything.

Yep the elite left are all about good intentions.

CRAZY!!!

Elite left? Yeah, let's bring it all down to soundbites that can't be proved. I'm sure those parents of Sandy Hook kids and Columbine kids are 'elite'.

And what is their agenda? Give us you conspiracy theory...
 
Yeah, let's bring it all down to soundbites that can't be proved.
Soundbites that can't be proven are the MO of the anti-gun loon.
I'm sure those parents of Sandy Hook kids and Columbine kids are 'elite'.
Another appeal to emotion
And what is their agenda?
Of the anti-gun loon?
To limit the exercise of the right to arms by law-abiding citizens as much as they possibly can.
 
At the end of the day most gun control advocates don't give a shit if gang bangers go around shooting each other. Good luck to them. The issue is the mass shootings. The randomness of them. People would like to go to the movies or school without having to worry about some loon with a chip of their shoulder shooting them because they've had a bad day.
Further proof that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

What is dishonest about what I said. You guys seem to have this wet dream that take out the black and latino murders all would be okay. Note that it is not the gang banger deaths making the headlines. It's the random mass shootings. Why wouldn't mass shootings be an emotional issue. And there is nothing ignorant about the argument. The fact you think is it, shows, well, ignorance.
 
At the end of the day most gun control advocates don't give a shit if gang bangers go around shooting each other. Good luck to them. The issue is the mass shootings. The randomness of them. People would like to go to the movies or school without having to worry about some loon with a chip of their shoulder shooting them because they've had a bad day.
Further proof that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
What is dishonest about what I said.
You said:
The issue is the mass shootings. The randomness of them. People would like to go to the movies or school without having to worry about some loon with a chip of their shoulder shooting them because they've had a bad day.
That is, you focus not on gun crime in general or where it is the worst, but gun crime that stirs emotion.
Thus, an appeal to emotion.
Further proof that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
You guys seem to have this wet dream that take out the black and latino murders all would be okay.
Who said that?
Exactly no one.
What did -I- say?
That blacks commit more murders than whites, and are WAY over-represented in the 'offender;' column; to reduce the number of murder committed by black to their proportion of the population, our murder rate would drop 37%.

But you.. YOU want to focus on 'mass shootings' - the rarest of all gun crimes - because you know you can play on emotions.
 
Another appeal to emotion
.
And the whackjob that was Charlton Heston saying "out of my cold, dead hands" wasn't emotion?
Red herring.
In offering it, you accept the veracity of the claim made.
Good of you.
To limit the exercise of the right to arms by law-abiding citizens as much as they possibly can.
Because....?
Ultimately? To make people dependent on the state for their security.
 
At the end of the day most gun control advocates don't give a shit if gang bangers go around shooting each other. Good luck to them. The issue is the mass shootings. The randomness of them. People would like to go to the movies or school without having to worry about some loon with a chip of their shoulder shooting them because they've had a bad day.
Further proof that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
What is dishonest about what I said.
You said:
The issue is the mass shootings. The randomness of them. People would like to go to the movies or school without having to worry about some loon with a chip of their shoulder shooting them because they've had a bad day.
That is, you focus not on gun crime in general or where it is the worst, but gun crime that stirs emotion.
Thus, an appeal to emotion.
Further proof that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
You guys seem to have this wet dream that take out the black and latino murders all would be okay.
Who said that?
Exactly no one.
What did -I- say?
That blacks commit more murders than whites, and are WAY over-represented in the 'offender;' column; to reduce the number of murder committed by black to their proportion of the population, our murder rate would drop 37%.

But you.. YOU want to focus on 'mass shootings' - the rarest of all gun crimes - because you know you can play on emotions.

Because mass shootings are a huge issue in the US. And to pretend it's not and then just write it off as emotion is pathetic. It adds nothing to the discussion. As for being rare, the issue is it's becoming more prevalent...
 
Red herring.
In offering it, you accept the veracity of the claim made.
Good of you.

Ultimately? To make people dependent on the state for their security.

I've never denied that gun control is NOT an emotional issue. Issues can be both emotional AND rational. You know that, right?

Good grief....you really think that is the reason. Well, just so you know, from somebody who is anti-gun, that "dependent on the state" argument isn't even in my top 20 reasons for gun control. In fact, it's not even on my list. Just an emotional reason from the gun-nut lobby. I don't know any person who is anti-gun who has ever said such a thing...
 

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