How can there ever be peace here?

[P F Tinmore]

You never answered by question about Germany.

Germany should have had to give up a piece of land to form Israel. The Jews were a European problem, not a Middle Eastern one.

And besides, if there is a question about Germany it should be in the Europe board. It is just deflection to mention it here.

Of course saying that Israel should be in Germany not in Palestine makes more sense than what is usually expressed on this board.

 

[MJB12741]

Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East. They refused Israel's offer to return the West Bank back to them so they could sacrifice this piece of land to dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with. Then in July of 1970 king Hussein gives his remaining Palestinians Black September to establish a lasting peace from them. Then in June, 1993 king Abdullah marries the most gorgeous Palestinian woman & refuses to grant any right of return to all the rest of them. And now Jordan has open borders with Israel so Israeli's & tourists to Israel can visit & spend their money in Jordan to bolster Jordan's economy. No doubt about it, Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East.

Seriously, why do you think Jordan was so happy to refuse Israel's offer to give back the entire West Bank for nothing in return after the 67 war? If & when you know the answer you will then know WHY "the Palestinian question'' was never addressed by Jordan.

They did not seize them from anybody. Egypt and Jordan were not at war with Palestine. The 1949 armistice agreements simply divided Palestine into three areas of occupation claiming that the Palestinian question would be addressed at a later date.

Well it is over sixty years later and still everyone is avoiding the Palestinian question.

Jordan was always part of the Palestine problem. It was offered the West Bank and millions in cash to not attack Israel in the 1948 war. It did not. It screwed the Palestinians pursuing its own interests. Now its only contribution to peace is echoing the same hollow crap that comes out of the worthless "quartet."

 

[ima]

Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East. They refused Israel's offer to return the West Bank back to them so they could sacrifice this piece of land to dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with. Then in July of 1970 king Hussein gives his remaining Palestinians Black September to establish a lasting peace from them. Then in June, 1993 king Abdullah marries the most gorgeous Palestinian woman & refuses to grant any right of return to all the rest of them. And now Jordan has open borders with Israel so Israeli's & tourists to Israel can visit & spend their money in Jordan to bolster Jordan's economy. No doubt about it, Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East.

Seriously, why do you think Jordan was so happy to refuse Israel's offer to give back the entire West Bank for nothing in return after the 67 war? If & when you know the answer you will then know WHY "the Palestinian question'' was never addressed by Jordan.

Jordan was always part of the Palestine problem. It was offered the West Bank and millions in cash to not attack Israel in the 1948 war. It did not. It screwed the Palestinians pursuing its own interests. Now its only contribution to peace is echoing the same hollow crap that comes out of the worthless "quartet."

Jordan is the Uncle Tom of the muslim world.

 

[JStone]

Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East. They refused Israel's offer to return the West Bank back to them so they could sacrifice this piece of land to dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with. Then in July of 1970 king Hussein gives his remaining Palestinians Black September to establish a lasting peace from them. Then in June, 1993 king Abdullah marries the most gorgeous Palestinian woman & refuses to grant any right of return to all the rest of them. And now Jordan has open borders with Israel so Israeli's & tourists to Israel can visit & spend their money in Jordan to bolster Jordan's economy. No doubt about it, Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East.

Jordan was always part of the Palestine problem. It was offered the West Bank and millions in cash to not attack Israel in the 1948 war. It did not. It screwed the Palestinians pursuing its own interests. Now its only contribution to peace is echoing the same hollow crap that comes out of the worthless "quartet."

Jordan is the Uncle Tom of the muslim world.

IMA DUNCE

 

[MJB12741]

What is it about a lasting peace in the Middle East that so bothers you? Tell us Ima, it not true that Jordan's Black September resulted in a lasting peace from Palestinians? And have you EVER heard of a single Palestinian complaint about Jordan's Black September? When will those Zionists in Israel ever learn?

Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East. They refused Israel's offer to return the West Bank back to them so they could sacrifice this piece of land to dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with. Then in July of 1970 king Hussein gives his remaining Palestinians Black September to establish a lasting peace from them. Then in June, 1993 king Abdullah marries the most gorgeous Palestinian woman & refuses to grant any right of return to all the rest of them. And now Jordan has open borders with Israel so Israeli's & tourists to Israel can visit & spend their money in Jordan to bolster Jordan's economy. No doubt about it, Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East.

Jordan was always part of the Palestine problem. It was offered the West Bank and millions in cash to not attack Israel in the 1948 war. It did not. It screwed the Palestinians pursuing its own interests. Now its only contribution to peace is echoing the same hollow crap that comes out of the worthless "quartet."

Jordan is the Uncle Tom of the muslim world.

 

[Billo_Really]

Palestinians? Do you mean the Arabs that moved into the area?

No, the arabs who were already there.

 

[Billo_Really]

Thanks for proving loinboy was wrong.

That doesn't prove anything.

 

[Billo_Really]

Excellent question.

Jordan did not own the West Bank. It was occupied Palestinian land. Egypt did not own the Gaza Strip. It was occupied Palestinian land. Israel claims that it won Palestinian land from Jordan and Egypt.

That is an interesting legal concept.

That's about as good as it can get, a "concept", because the legal reality is that of an "occupation". And all occupations are temporary. It is illegal to change the demographics of an area under occupation.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They did not seize them from anybody. Egypt and Jordan were not at war with Palestine. The 1949 armistice agreements simply divided Palestine into three areas of occupation claiming that the Palestinian question would be addressed at a later date.

Well it is over sixty years later and still everyone is avoiding the Palestinian question.

They did not seize them from anybody.

Exactly! Neither did Israel. Glad you realized your mistake.

You're being silly.

Yeah, agreeing with you would normally be silly.
But for once, you were right.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You never answered by question about Germany.

Germany should have had to give up a piece of land to form Israel. The Jews were a European problem, not a Middle Eastern one.

You never answered by question about Germany.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You never answered by question about Germany.

Germany should have had to give up a piece of land to form Israel. The Jews were a European problem, not a Middle Eastern one.

And besides, if there is a question about Germany it should be in the Europe board. It is just deflection to mention it here.

Of course saying that Israel should be in Germany not in Palestine makes more sense than what is usually expressed on this board.

It is just deflection to mention it here.

Especially because it proves the claim " it is against international law to hold onto land siezed in a war" was wrong.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestinians? Do you mean the Arabs that moved into the area?

No, the arabs who were already there.

When?

 

[Billo_Really]

Palestinians? Do you mean the Arabs that moved into the area?

No, the arabs who were already there.

When?

WTF do you mean, "when"? They've been there as long as the jews have been there. There have been people living there for generations.

What is with these stupid questions?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Germany should have had to give up a piece of land to form Israel. The Jews were a European problem, not a Middle Eastern one.

And besides, if there is a question about Germany it should be in the Europe board. It is just deflection to mention it here.

Of course saying that Israel should be in Germany not in Palestine makes more sense than what is usually expressed on this board.

It is just deflection to mention it here.

Especially because it proves the claim " it is against international law to hold onto land siezed in a war" was wrong.

Did Germany surrender and were there peace treaties?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Germany should have had to give up a piece of land to form Israel. The Jews were a European problem, not a Middle Eastern one.

And besides, if there is a question about Germany it should be in the Europe board. It is just deflection to mention it here.

Of course saying that Israel should be in Germany not in Palestine makes more sense than what is usually expressed on this board.

It is just deflection to mention it here.

Especially because it proves the claim " it is against international law to hold onto land siezed in a war" was wrong.

What parts of Germany were lost in the war?

 

[JStone]

Excellent question.

Jordan did not own the West Bank. It was occupied Palestinian land. Egypt did not own the Gaza Strip. It was occupied Palestinian land. Israel claims that it won Palestinian land from Jordan and Egypt.

That is an interesting legal concept.

That's about as good as it can get, a "concept", because the legal reality is that of an "occupation". And all occupations are temporary. It is illegal to change the demographics of an area under occupation.

You know about oral copulation but nothing else http://www.usmessageboard.com/5143970-post567.html

Jews established Israel 3000 years ago verified by the archaeological record, and Jews existed in Israel 2000 years before any Arab civilization in Israel. Arabs are occupying Israel.

PBS: Civilization and the Jews

The interaction of Jewish history and Western civilization successively assumed different forms. In the Biblical and Ancient periods, Israel was an integral part of the Near Eastern and classical world, which gave birth to Western civilization. It shared the traditions of ancient Mesopotamia and the rest of that world with regard to it’s own beginning; it benefited from the decline of Egypt and the other great Near Eastern empires to emerge as a nation in it’s own right; it asserted it’s claim to the divinely promised Land of Israel
PBS - Heritage

Harvard University Semitic Museum: The Houses of Ancient Israel The Houses of Ancient Israel § Semitic Museum

In archaeological terms The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine focuses on the Iron Age (1200-586 B.C.E.). Iron I (1200-1000 B.C.E.) represents the premonarchical period. Iron II (1000-586 B.C.E.) was the time of kings. Uniting the tribal coalitions of Israel and Judah in the tenth century B.C.E., David and Solomon ruled over an expanding realm. After Solomon's death (c. 930 B.C.E.) Israel and Judah separated into two kingdoms.
Israel was led at times by strong kings, Omri and Ahab in the ninth century B.C.E. and Jereboam II in the eighth.

Harvard University Semitic Museum: Jerusalem During The Reign Of King Hezekiah--New Exhibition At The Semitic Museum Re-Creates Numerous Aspects Of Ancient Israel Harvard Gazette: Jerusalem during the reign of King Hezekiah

The Semitic Museum has installed a new exhibition that brings the world of biblical Israel into vivid, three-dimensional reality. "The Houses of Ancient Israel: Domestic, Royal, Divine" immerses the viewer in Israelite daily life around the time of King Hezekiah (8th century B.C.), creating an experiential environment based on the latest archaeological, textual, and historical research.
The centerpiece of the exhibition is a full-scale Israelite house, open on one side, filled with authentic ancient artifacts that show how life was lived by common inhabitants of ancient Jerusalem. Agricultural tools, a cooking area, and a stall occupied by a single, scruffy ram fill the ground floor of the cube-shaped, mud-brick structure, which, thankfully, is not olfactorily authentic. The upper story, reached by a ladder, is devoted to eating and sleeping.

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press

In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.

PBS Nova ...

In the banks of the Nile in southern Egypt in 1896, British archaeologisit Flinders Petrie unearthed one of the most important discoveries in biblical archaeology known as the Merneptah Stele. Merneptah's stele announces the entrance on the world stage of a People named Israel.

The Merneptah Stele is powerful evidence that a People called the Israelites are living in Canaan over 3000 years ago

Dr. Donald Redford, Egyptologist and archaeologist: The Merneptah Stele is priceless evidence for the presence of an ethnical group called Israel in Canaan.

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[Toddsterpatriot]

And besides, if there is a question about Germany it should be in the Europe board. It is just deflection to mention it here.

Of course saying that Israel should be in Germany not in Palestine makes more sense than what is usually expressed on this board.

It is just deflection to mention it here.

Especially because it proves the claim " it is against international law to hold onto land siezed in a war" was wrong.

Did Germany surrender and were there peace treaties?

Why would any of that matter if "it is against international law to hold onto land siezed in a war"?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And besides, if there is a question about Germany it should be in the Europe board. It is just deflection to mention it here.

Of course saying that Israel should be in Germany not in Palestine makes more sense than what is usually expressed on this board.

It is just deflection to mention it here.

Especially because it proves the claim " it is against international law to hold onto land siezed in a war" was wrong.

What parts of Germany were lost in the war?

The parts they held in 1913 that they no longer held in 1946.

 

[JStone]

It is just deflection to mention it here.

Especially because it proves the claim " it is against international law to hold onto land siezed in a war" was wrong.

What parts of Germany were lost in the war?

The parts they held in 1913 that they no longer held in 1946.

You're debating international law with the complete dolt and mental patient Tinhead.

Israel seized land in a defensive war, as opposed to an offensive war, which was not prohibited by law. The loss of territory is a deterrent to initiating war.

In fact, the Arabs pressed the UN to issue a resolution condemning Israel as the aggressor in the war and the UN declined to do so as the consensus was that Israel acted defensively.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is just deflection to mention it here.

Especially because it proves the claim " it is against international law to hold onto land siezed in a war" was wrong.

What parts of Germany were lost in the war?

The parts they held in 1913 that they no longer held in 1946.

Well then, that explains everything.