How come Jesus fulfilled all verses on Lucifer, none on ACTUAL Messiah prerequisites

[HaShev]

We don't really have any evidence of what Jesus "fulfilled," did or even said for that matter, considering there was a 50-70 year GAP between the time he allegedly walked the Earth and the time one word was ever written about him.

This is despite the fact that there were ~30 historians alive and well and active who lived in the general area at the time who surely would've documented this Jesus' guys impressive feats and miracle working.

30 year gap -- not more though. Your math is off.

St. James and St. Paul were both writing about Jesus in 62 AD whereas Jesus had been crucified in 33 AD.

That's 30 not 50.

>><Jesus had been crucified in 33 AD.??

Ummm you are the one far off.
The ad era christ THEUDAS Died in 45ad which is why John says he was closer to 50. That is not the 6bc crucified Galilean christ Yehuda who lived in Herod died 4bc and Lysanias died 35bc era. It's even further from Yeshu son of Mary of 100bc the hanged on passover forbidden maggis sorcerer who learned forbidden things in Egypt when fleeing Jannaeus Alexanders persecution of the Pharisee. Try reading history not backwood bumpkin preachers.

Yeshua was revealed on the day the prophet Daniel said He would be. In fact, without Daniel there would be no wise men in the Christmas story.

To bad Daniel says son of man (Shalem) not son of God. Daniel names Michael to rise as savior not Jesus-Dan 12:1-4 and even names this Michael in Dan 10.
Isaiah 44-45 the Lord (king)and
redeemer(in Hebrew HaSheva) who changes Cyrus the Prince and King of Persia's heart to rebuild the temple and gather the dispersed Jews back to their land then is Michael, since the name given by Daniel in
Dan 10 shows it was Michael battling this Persian King.
a it was Michael "battling" this Persian King (called prince of the people).
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

What does that have to do with Daniel's precise prophecy regarding the revealing of Messiah (who is Yeshua)?

You are kidding right?
1)you show no source verses
2)I show you WHERE Daniel is actually talking about Messianic roles fulfilled already that Jesus never did as required and that is your reply to play dumb?
Do you realize you just trashed your whole faith's standard and methods of claiming Jesus in scripture. If this was chess you would have backed your king in a corner with no moves to weasle out and it would be checkmate! You lost your king.

 

[HaShev]

The Catholic churh rejects that, "All of the New Testament was written prior to the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD."

Luke was a Gentile. But the rest were Jews. Messianic or not, the destruction of the Temple would have been an earth shattering event worth mentioning. Not only do the authors of the Bible not refer to it as fulfilled prophesy:

Matthew 24:2 "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "Truly I tell you ...
not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown ... there isn't a single stone here that will be left standing on top of another.

It also is not in the Dead Sea scrolls.

That's not prophecy when it's written after the events or a common event or discussed inevitable event. It's also not accurate and is even deemed false prophecy since the wailing wall proves stones were left standing.
Lastly how oblivious do you have to be not to notice Moshiach's role and prerequisite is to build the Temple (Mikdash) not destroy it or wish it destroyed.
The Temple in his name is not called Jesusdash or Jesusdosh it's called Mikdash and MIKDosh after the thresher Michael. (Dosh=thresher).

The antichrist(meaning anti anointed ones)
destroyed the Temple so they could errect the imposter replacement one in Rome in order to be the new authority, much like they did to the Veiins with their godess Juno. This is why John of Patmos said the antichrist was there in his day then described the riches and elaborate materials in the Vatican.

 

[hobelim]

Lastly how oblivious do you have to be not to notice Moshiach's role and prerequisite is to build the Temple (Mikdash) not destroy it or wish it destroyed.

There is no prerequisite or role for the messiah to build a temple, the work of human hands. He leads people to the sanctuary of God which is more about the divine providence associated with conforming to the revealed laws hidden demands as taught by God himself through the messiah.

only when people conform to the law in the way that Jesus taught will the sanctuary of God be established on earth and God himself will walk (so to speak) among them.

 

[emilynghiem]

30 year gap -- not more though. Your math is off.

St. James and St. Paul were both writing about Jesus in 62 AD whereas Jesus had been crucified in 33 AD.

That's 30 not 50.

>><Jesus had been crucified in 33 AD.??

Ummm you are the one far off.
The ad era christ THEUDAS Died in 45ad which is why John says he was closer to 50. That is not the 6bc crucified Galilean christ Yehuda who lived in Herod died 4bc and Lysanias died 35bc era. It's even further from Yeshu son of Mary of 100bc the hanged on passover forbidden maggis sorcerer who learned forbidden things in Egypt when fleeing Jannaeus Alexanders persecution of the Pharisee. Try reading history not backwood bumpkin preachers.

Yeshua was revealed on the day the prophet Daniel said He would be. In fact, without Daniel there would be no wise men in the Christmas story.

To bad Daniel says son of man (Shalem) not son of God. Daniel names Michael to rise as savior not Jesus-Dan 12:1-4 and even names this Michael in Dan 10.
Isaiah 44-45 the Lord (king)and
redeemer(in Hebrew HaSheva) who changes Cyrus the Prince and King of Persia's heart to rebuild the temple and gather the dispersed Jews back to their land then is Michael, since the name given by Daniel in
Dan 10 shows it was Michael battling this Persian King.
a it was Michael "battling" this Persian King (called prince of the people).
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

What does that have to do with Daniel's precise prophecy regarding the revealing of Messiah (who is Yeshua)?

You are kidding right?
1)you show no source verses
2)I show you WHERE Daniel is actually talking about Messianic roles fulfilled already that Jesus never did as required and that is your reply to play dumb?
Do you realize you just trashed your whole faith's standard and methods of claiming Jesus in scripture. If this was chess you would have backed your king in a corner with no moves to weasle out and it would be checkmate! You lost your king.

Dear HaShev
Did you read my previous post asking you a question about if you have the calling to act as the Message Messiah or Messenger?

If you do, then it is most urgent that you speak and get support behind you from ppl preparing the way. I mentioned Peter Loth and Irvin and Olivia Reiner. Are there other elders who support you in your role of delivering and establishing the Message of God's truth through Christ Jesus?

The right Message will bring unity and agreement on universal truth and will end and correct or cast out Any error.

So this Mediator role will establish God's truth , if you know you have this calling I take that very seriously and ask that you meet in consortium with ppl waiting on God's timing for this.

Bless you and may all hearts and minds be made open to receive, forgiving and correcting any errors or obstacles that cannot sustain in the presence of God's truth coming through the clouds of chaos and confusion, to bring order and understanding.

Thank you HaShev and may all your spiritual gifts calling and support be made manifest and multiplied to fulfill the promises of God's blessings, on earth and in heaven, to bring on the Kingdom of God among us. Amen.

 

[HaShev]

Lastly how oblivious do you have to be not to notice Moshiach's role and prerequisite is to build the Temple (Mikdash) not destroy it or wish it destroyed.

There is no prerequisite or role for the messiah to build a temple, the work of human hands. He leads people to the sanctuary of God which is more about the divine providence associated with conforming to the revealed laws hidden demands as taught by God himself through the messiah.

only when people conform to the law in the way that Jesus taught will the sanctuary of God be established on earth and God himself will walk (so to speak) among them.

That's what I meant involved not hands on laying a stone responsible, but didn't think I needed to elaborate. You do realize that I'm the one that gathered all the Temple building orgs around 20 years ago, including interfaith involvement and we have all the materials, stones, heifer,original anointing oil, temple treasures, etc
Everything, but the ark.

 

[HaShev]

>><Jesus had been crucified in 33 AD.??

Ummm you are the one far off.
The ad era christ THEUDAS Died in 45ad which is why John says he was closer to 50. That is not the 6bc crucified Galilean christ Yehuda who lived in Herod died 4bc and Lysanias died 35bc era. It's even further from Yeshu son of Mary of 100bc the hanged on passover forbidden maggis sorcerer who learned forbidden things in Egypt when fleeing Jannaeus Alexanders persecution of the Pharisee. Try reading history not backwood bumpkin preachers.

Yeshua was revealed on the day the prophet Daniel said He would be. In fact, without Daniel there would be no wise men in the Christmas story.

To bad Daniel says son of man (Shalem) not son of God. Daniel names Michael to rise as savior not Jesus-Dan 12:1-4 and even names this Michael in Dan 10.
Isaiah 44-45 the Lord (king)and
redeemer(in Hebrew HaSheva) who changes Cyrus the Prince and King of Persia's heart to rebuild the temple and gather the dispersed Jews back to their land then is Michael, since the name given by Daniel in
Dan 10 shows it was Michael battling this Persian King.
a it was Michael "battling" this Persian King (called prince of the people).
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

What does that have to do with Daniel's precise prophecy regarding the revealing of Messiah (who is Yeshua)?

Hashev claims to be the messiah. He has placed himself in an unfortunate predicament. He will never accept that Jesus is the messiah, he cannot accept that Jesus is the messiah because if Jesus is the messiah, then Hashev is not.

He lacks training in the fundamental discipline of humility and consequently does not have substance required to rise to life and admit something as hard to believe as he is wrong.

Dear HaShev
Do you really have this calling to BE the Messiah or do you mean to Embody and be one with the MESSAGE.

I can understand if you are called to be a MESSENGER

Do you agree there is only one Mediator between MAN and GOD and that Mediator is Christ Jesus.

Are you already acting as this Mediating Message from God to Man, or are you waiting on Christ Jesus to fill that role. Are you connected through Christ Jesus as Mediator , or is that later in the process of this Message you carry being fully received.

Can you describe the process of how Christ Jesus as the one Mediator relates to or manifests in relation to your role with the Message or Messiah.

You just proved why Jesus is the imposter and thief aka Lucifer by calling him the mediator just as you did in calling him the judge.(stealing roles).
There's only 2 mediators (metatron)in scripture 1)Enoch 2)Michael

1 Enoch 20:5,
and Account of the Genesis which Enotes composed, to set against the Genesis of Moses, when it says [2] that the Devil (diabolos) was cast out of heaven(future Perfected earth) because of the evil (kakia) which he had brought forth and that Michael was set (kathistanai) in his place, that he might be associated with (synistanai)
the just Judge(krites), and might be the ambassador (presbeuein)[mediator] for all creation; for he is good (agathos).
(meaning the Devil was the rule of this world and Michael was sent in his Place to cast out the evil he caused.)
Judge is Michael

Michael is the one who brings men's souls to judgment ("signifer S. Michael repraesentet eas in lucam sanctam", Offert. Miss Defunct. "Constituit eum principem super animas suscipiendas", Antiph. off. Cf. "Hermas", Pastor, I, 3, Simil. VIII, 3).

Dan 12:1-4 Michael delivers everyone written in the book of life (judge)

IIQ13 "Heavenly Prince Melchizedek Scroll" about Michael conducting the atonement day Judgment.



If the devil and his works is judged then judgement is by works which is what the iconographs show where Michael
holds the judgment scales and Satan is holding down the scale trying to prevent measurment of works (through faith only teachings).

1 Enoch 20:5
Michael, one of the holy angels, who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations. (mediator/Judge)

EXODUS 23:20 "Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for
**He will not pardon your transgressions**; for My name is in Him.

1 Enoch 53:6
Michael and Gabriel, Raphael and Phanuel (Jeremiel)(14) shall be strengthened in that day, and shall then cast them into a furnace of blazing fire, that the Lord of spirits may be avenged of them for their crimes; because they became ministers of Satan, and seduced those who dwell upon earth.

Blessings scroll (1QSb=1Q28b)
V:20 "blessings of the Prince of the Congregation (Michael)
Renew him the covenant of the community so he might establish the kingdom of his people for ever, that he might judge the poor with righteousness & dispense Justice with equity to the oppressed.

4Q285 5&10 Judgment of the Kittim (Romans)

Dead Sea Scrolls:
llQMelch ll,9,13 ,
4Q246 ,
1QS x12-18

To answer your question: Jesus never existed and the many figures used to make his image are not well recorded to know what they taught, but the NT shows them talking about son of man as another to come later in a new name and that the followers did not understand how messaging worked that the messenger was speaking through him not that he was the son of man.
Example Rev1:13 he's like unto (emulating) son of man.
In the OT Daniel is not son of man he is speaking for through NIGHT (EVENING STAR) visions or visions of the Night.

more sources:
that son of Man will not be in the person of Jesus, but in a different incarnation involving a totally different human being LUKE 6:5, 9:26 , 9:55-56, 12:10 , 17:30 , 18:8, 22:69, John 3:13, Matthew 25:11-13, Mark 14:62
and Mathew20:28.
Lastly it's clearly stated;
that you'd come in his name saying HE was christ deceiving many even the elect.

 

[hadit]

30 year gap -- not more though. Your math is off.

St. James and St. Paul were both writing about Jesus in 62 AD whereas Jesus had been crucified in 33 AD.

That's 30 not 50.

>><Jesus had been crucified in 33 AD.??

Ummm you are the one far off.
The ad era christ THEUDAS Died in 45ad which is why John says he was closer to 50. That is not the 6bc crucified Galilean christ Yehuda who lived in Herod died 4bc and Lysanias died 35bc era. It's even further from Yeshu son of Mary of 100bc the hanged on passover forbidden maggis sorcerer who learned forbidden things in Egypt when fleeing Jannaeus Alexanders persecution of the Pharisee. Try reading history not backwood bumpkin preachers.

Yeshua was revealed on the day the prophet Daniel said He would be. In fact, without Daniel there would be no wise men in the Christmas story.

To bad Daniel says son of man (Shalem) not son of God. Daniel names Michael to rise as savior not Jesus-Dan 12:1-4 and even names this Michael in Dan 10.
Isaiah 44-45 the Lord (king)and
redeemer(in Hebrew HaSheva) who changes Cyrus the Prince and King of Persia's heart to rebuild the temple and gather the dispersed Jews back to their land then is Michael, since the name given by Daniel in
Dan 10 shows it was Michael battling this Persian King.
a it was Michael "battling" this Persian King (called prince of the people).
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

What does that have to do with Daniel's precise prophecy regarding the revealing of Messiah (who is Yeshua)?

You are kidding right?
1)you show no source verses
2)I show you WHERE Daniel is actually talking about Messianic roles fulfilled already that Jesus never did as required and that is your reply to play dumb?
Do you realize you just trashed your whole faith's standard and methods of claiming Jesus in scripture. If this was chess you would have backed your king in a corner with no moves to weasle out and it would be checkmate! You lost your king.

You sad creature. You think you have won an argument? Argue against Scripture.

From Daniel 9:

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.

This was fulfilled in Yeshua. Why do you think the Magi came from the east seeking the Christ child? They knew when and where to look because Daniel, the chief of the Magi, told them hundreds of years before.

 

[emilynghiem]

Yeshua was revealed on the day the prophet Daniel said He would be. In fact, without Daniel there would be no wise men in the Christmas story.

To bad Daniel says son of man (Shalem) not son of God. Daniel names Michael to rise as savior not Jesus-Dan 12:1-4 and even names this Michael in Dan 10.
Isaiah 44-45 the Lord (king)and
redeemer(in Hebrew HaSheva) who changes Cyrus the Prince and King of Persia's heart to rebuild the temple and gather the dispersed Jews back to their land then is Michael, since the name given by Daniel in
Dan 10 shows it was Michael battling this Persian King.
a it was Michael "battling" this Persian King (called prince of the people).
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

What does that have to do with Daniel's precise prophecy regarding the revealing of Messiah (who is Yeshua)?

Hashev claims to be the messiah. He has placed himself in an unfortunate predicament. He will never accept that Jesus is the messiah, he cannot accept that Jesus is the messiah because if Jesus is the messiah, then Hashev is not.

He lacks training in the fundamental discipline of humility and consequently does not have substance required to rise to life and admit something as hard to believe as he is wrong.

Dear HaShev
Do you really have this calling to BE the Messiah or do you mean to Embody and be one with the MESSAGE.

I can understand if you are called to be a MESSENGER

Do you agree there is only one Mediator between MAN and GOD and that Mediator is Christ Jesus.

Are you already acting as this Mediating Message from God to Man, or are you waiting on Christ Jesus to fill that role. Are you connected through Christ Jesus as Mediator , or is that later in the process of this Message you carry being fully received.

Can you describe the process of how Christ Jesus as the one Mediator relates to or manifests in relation to your role with the Message or Messiah.

You just proved why Jesus is the imposter and thief aka Lucifer by calling him the mediator just as you did in calling him the judge.(stealing roles).
There's only 2 mediators (metatron)in scripture 1)Enoch 2)Michael

1 Enoch 20:5,
and Account of the Genesis which Enotes composed, to set against the Genesis of Moses, when it says [2] that the Devil (diabolos) was cast out of heaven(future Perfected earth) because of the evil (kakia) which he had brought forth and that Michael was set (kathistanai) in his place, that he might be associated with (synistanai)
the just Judge(krites), and might be the ambassador (presbeuein)[mediator] for all creation; for he is good (agathos).
(meaning the Devil was the rule of this world and Michael was sent in his Place to cast out the evil he caused.)
Judge is Michael

Michael is the one who brings men's souls to judgment ("signifer S. Michael repraesentet eas in lucam sanctam", Offert. Miss Defunct. "Constituit eum principem super animas suscipiendas", Antiph. off. Cf. "Hermas", Pastor, I, 3, Simil. VIII, 3).

Dan 12:1-4 Michael delivers everyone written in the book of life (judge)

IIQ13 "Heavenly Prince Melchizedek Scroll" about Michael conducting the atonement day Judgment.



If the devil and his works is judged then judgement is by works which is what the iconographs show where Michael
holds the judgment scales and Satan is holding down the scale trying to prevent measurment of works (through faith only teachings).

1 Enoch 20:5
Michael, one of the holy angels, who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations. (mediator/Judge)

EXODUS 23:20 "Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for
**He will not pardon your transgressions**; for My name is in Him.

1 Enoch 53:6
Michael and Gabriel, Raphael and Phanuel (Jeremiel)(14) shall be strengthened in that day, and shall then cast them into a furnace of blazing fire, that the Lord of spirits may be avenged of them for their crimes; because they became ministers of Satan, and seduced those who dwell upon earth.

Blessings scroll (1QSb=1Q28b)
V:20 "blessings of the Prince of the Congregation (Michael)
Renew him the covenant of the community so he might establish the kingdom of his people for ever, that he might judge the poor with righteousness & dispense Justice with equity to the oppressed.

4Q285 5&10 Judgment of the Kittim (Romans)

Dead Sea Scrolls:
llQMelch ll,9,13 ,
4Q246 ,
1QS x12-18

To answer your question: Jesus never existed and the many figures used to make his image are not well recorded to know what they taught, but the NT shows them talking about son of man as another to come later in a new name and that the followers did not understand how messaging worked that the messenger was speaking through him not that he was the son of man.
Example Rev1:13 he's like unto (emulating) son of man.
In the OT Daniel is not son of man he is speaking for through NIGHT (EVENING STAR) visions or visions of the Night.

more sources:
that son of Man will not be in the person of Jesus, but in a different incarnation involving a totally different human being LUKE 6:5, 9:26 , 9:55-56, 12:10 , 17:30 , 18:8, 22:69, John 3:13, Matthew 25:11-13, Mark 14:62
and Mathew20:28.
Lastly it's clearly stated;
that you'd come in his name saying HE was christ deceiving many even the elect.

Okay HaShev I am trying to follow your system.
So you use Michael as the name/role of the Mediator between God and man.

Do you name Michael as the central position in:
"Baptising all nations in the name of the Father,
and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit"

So you equate Michael as the Son
or Michael as the Holy Spirit.

 

[hadit]

>><Jesus had been crucified in 33 AD.??

Ummm you are the one far off.
The ad era christ THEUDAS Died in 45ad which is why John says he was closer to 50. That is not the 6bc crucified Galilean christ Yehuda who lived in Herod died 4bc and Lysanias died 35bc era. It's even further from Yeshu son of Mary of 100bc the hanged on passover forbidden maggis sorcerer who learned forbidden things in Egypt when fleeing Jannaeus Alexanders persecution of the Pharisee. Try reading history not backwood bumpkin preachers.

Yeshua was revealed on the day the prophet Daniel said He would be. In fact, without Daniel there would be no wise men in the Christmas story.

To bad Daniel says son of man (Shalem) not son of God. Daniel names Michael to rise as savior not Jesus-Dan 12:1-4 and even names this Michael in Dan 10.
Isaiah 44-45 the Lord (king)and
redeemer(in Hebrew HaSheva) who changes Cyrus the Prince and King of Persia's heart to rebuild the temple and gather the dispersed Jews back to their land then is Michael, since the name given by Daniel in
Dan 10 shows it was Michael battling this Persian King.
a it was Michael "battling" this Persian King (called prince of the people).
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

What does that have to do with Daniel's precise prophecy regarding the revealing of Messiah (who is Yeshua)?

You are kidding right?
1)you show no source verses
2)I show you WHERE Daniel is actually talking about Messianic roles fulfilled already that Jesus never did as required and that is your reply to play dumb?
Do you realize you just trashed your whole faith's standard and methods of claiming Jesus in scripture. If this was chess you would have backed your king in a corner with no moves to weasle out and it would be checkmate! You lost your king.

Dear HaShev
Did you read my previous post asking you a question about if you have the calling to act as the Message Messiah or Messenger?

If you do, then it is most urgent that you speak and get support behind you from ppl preparing the way. I mentioned Peter Loth and Irvin and Olivia Reiner. Are there other elders who support you in your role of delivering and establishing the Message of God's truth through Christ Jesus?

The right Message will bring unity and agreement on universal truth and will end and correct or cast out Any error.

So this Mediator role will establish God's truth , if you know you have this calling I take that very seriously and ask that you meet in consortium with ppl waiting on God's timing for this.

Bless you and may all hearts and minds be made open to receive, forgiving and correcting any errors or obstacles that cannot sustain in the presence of God's truth coming through the clouds of chaos and confusion, to bring order and understanding.

Thank you HaShev and may all your spiritual gifts calling and support be made manifest and multiplied to fulfill the promises of God's blessings, on earth and in heaven, to bring on the Kingdom of God among us. Amen.

From Matthew 24:

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

 

[emilynghiem]

Yeshua was revealed on the day the prophet Daniel said He would be. In fact, without Daniel there would be no wise men in the Christmas story.

To bad Daniel says son of man (Shalem) not son of God. Daniel names Michael to rise as savior not Jesus-Dan 12:1-4 and even names this Michael in Dan 10.
Isaiah 44-45 the Lord (king)and
redeemer(in Hebrew HaSheva) who changes Cyrus the Prince and King of Persia's heart to rebuild the temple and gather the dispersed Jews back to their land then is Michael, since the name given by Daniel in
Dan 10 shows it was Michael battling this Persian King.
a it was Michael "battling" this Persian King (called prince of the people).
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

What does that have to do with Daniel's precise prophecy regarding the revealing of Messiah (who is Yeshua)?

You are kidding right?
1)you show no source verses
2)I show you WHERE Daniel is actually talking about Messianic roles fulfilled already that Jesus never did as required and that is your reply to play dumb?
Do you realize you just trashed your whole faith's standard and methods of claiming Jesus in scripture. If this was chess you would have backed your king in a corner with no moves to weasle out and it would be checkmate! You lost your king.

Dear HaShev
Did you read my previous post asking you a question about if you have the calling to act as the Message Messiah or Messenger?

If you do, then it is most urgent that you speak and get support behind you from ppl preparing the way. I mentioned Peter Loth and Irvin and Olivia Reiner. Are there other elders who support you in your role of delivering and establishing the Message of God's truth through Christ Jesus?

The right Message will bring unity and agreement on universal truth and will end and correct or cast out Any error.

So this Mediator role will establish God's truth , if you know you have this calling I take that very seriously and ask that you meet in consortium with ppl waiting on God's timing for this.

Bless you and may all hearts and minds be made open to receive, forgiving and correcting any errors or obstacles that cannot sustain in the presence of God's truth coming through the clouds of chaos and confusion, to bring order and understanding.

Thank you HaShev and may all your spiritual gifts calling and support be made manifest and multiplied to fulfill the promises of God's blessings, on earth and in heaven, to bring on the Kingdom of God among us. Amen.

From Matthew 24:

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Yes hadit and HaShev is claiming that the people and testimonies contesting or conflicting with his presentation are the false prophets abusing claim to the Message/Messiah. While he is trumpeting the real call to receive the truth.

There is no way to distinguish which is which UNTIL there is consensus on what is truth and what is twisted, since by definition, God's truth is universal absolute and consistent so as to cast out or correct any error inc comparison with the one real truth.

We shall continue this rebuke process until consensus is reached, bringing in witnesses to correct every error until the truth is established in the mouths of all witnesses and every ear hears, every tongue confesses, every heart receives and every mind agrees in perfect unified understanding.

Thank you for being a witness in the process.

The truth shall prevail, as long as we all continue to ask and seek, we shall find and receive. May all blessings be multiplied until you and all other witnesses called to establish truth in agreement in Christ Jesus!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ha Shev, you don't even understand the scriptures much less edify anybody with them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yeshua was revealed on the day the prophet Daniel said He would be. In fact, without Daniel there would be no wise men in the Christmas story.

To bad Daniel says son of man (Shalem) not son of God. Daniel names Michael to rise as savior not Jesus-Dan 12:1-4 and even names this Michael in Dan 10.
Isaiah 44-45 the Lord (king)and
redeemer(in Hebrew HaSheva) who changes Cyrus the Prince and King of Persia's heart to rebuild the temple and gather the dispersed Jews back to their land then is Michael, since the name given by Daniel in
Dan 10 shows it was Michael battling this Persian King.
a it was Michael "battling" this Persian King (called prince of the people).
In Hebrew it says:
in Dan 10:20 where it says in regards to Michael:
*"Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee And now will
*Hashev Lacham Sar Parac"
(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

What does that have to do with Daniel's precise prophecy regarding the revealing of Messiah (who is Yeshua)?

You are kidding right?
1)you show no source verses
2)I show you WHERE Daniel is actually talking about Messianic roles fulfilled already that Jesus never did as required and that is your reply to play dumb?
Do you realize you just trashed your whole faith's standard and methods of claiming Jesus in scripture. If this was chess you would have backed your king in a corner with no moves to weasle out and it would be checkmate! You lost your king.

Dear HaShev
Did you read my previous post asking you a question about if you have the calling to act as the Message Messiah or Messenger?

If you do, then it is most urgent that you speak and get support behind you from ppl preparing the way. I mentioned Peter Loth and Irvin and Olivia Reiner. Are there other elders who support you in your role of delivering and establishing the Message of God's truth through Christ Jesus?

The right Message will bring unity and agreement on universal truth and will end and correct or cast out Any error.

So this Mediator role will establish God's truth , if you know you have this calling I take that very seriously and ask that you meet in consortium with ppl waiting on God's timing for this.

Bless you and may all hearts and minds be made open to receive, forgiving and correcting any errors or obstacles that cannot sustain in the presence of God's truth coming through the clouds of chaos and confusion, to bring order and understanding.

Thank you HaShev and may all your spiritual gifts calling and support be made manifest and multiplied to fulfill the promises of God's blessings, on earth and in heaven, to bring on the Kingdom of God among us. Amen.

From Matthew 24:

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Matthew was writing for the people of the time, whom all believed the return of Christ would be in their lifetime.

 

[HaShev]

Ha Shev, you don't even understand the scriptures much less edify anybody with them.

Dan 10:21 says you are wrong..
Thanks for playing wack the disabled person(because you claim I'm disabled that makes you an abuser).
This helps show people just how evil you people are that you yourself claim the people who stood around watching mocking and spitting on the christ figure was cruel and evil then turn around to become those same broken people.
YOU are justifying them.
Basically your faith tortured and murdered millions of innocent people who your faith used as a face for what you youself have become and validated. Irony but also pure and utter evil.

 

[The Irish Ram]

That's what I meant involved not hands on laying a stone responsible, but didn't think I needed to elaborate. You do realize that I'm the one that gathered all the Temple building orgs around 20 years ago, including interfaith involvement and we have all the materials, stones, heifer,original anointing oil, temple treasures, etc
Everything, but the ark.

You really don't think that you are the Messiah do you?

 

[HaShev]

You sad creature. You think you have won an argument? Argue against Scripture.

From Daniel 9:

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.

This was fulfilled in Yeshua. .

Now was that so hard, to leave a source so it can be discussed?
The comment however
"You sad creature" was highly uncalled for.
Now we can correct your being abused with false info. Daniel 9 is not measianic.
Read the language used carefully without being told what it says.

The events Daniel is prophecizing already occured before Jesus and the events of the temple you propose occured after Jesus making the correlation impossible even if you avoided history and thought it didn’t occur yet.
Daniel is talking about "an anointed place" and an anointed (King) not THE ANOINTED ONE.
Now to review why these events already occured:

Dan 9: There is a 7-week (49-year) span between the actual destruction of Jerusalem in 586 (beginning the exile and realizing the decree in 538bc to rebuild), and the end of the exile brought about by the arrival of ‘AN’ anointed one not “THE” anointed one . Kings and High Priests were anointed as AN anointed one but not THE anointed one. Thus we must notice the wording is “an anointed one” not “THE” anointed one.

Dan 9:24 says anoint the holy place not an anointed man. Daniel 9:25 says, "from the time the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was issued, until AN annointed one, a ruler, it will be seven weeks". If the decree is indeed sometime around the beginning of the full Exile, 586 b.c.e., then who is the anointed one mentioned? And, GOD already has referred to ruler Cyrus as his Anointed in
Isaiah 45:1: 70 years after the destruction Cyrus rebuilt the Temple in other words it's completion in 516BC
Here's the reference of this ‘70 years’ by the Historian Josephus in Antiquities 11.1.1: Ant. 11.1.1 "In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they has served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that SERVITUDE seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity; and these things God did afford them."


Daniel 9:26
And after the sixty-two weeks,an anointed one will be cut off,
and there will be nothing to him.
and the people of a ruler who shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary,
and the end of it/him shall be with a flood,,
and, until the end of the war, desolations are decreed.

62 weeks (434 years) leads us to around 152 b.c.e. the time of antiochus desolation and destruction of the temple. The anointed one was the king who was cut off. High Priest Onias III, who was assasinated (cut off) in 171 b.c.e. In 168 b.c.e., the middle of the next "week" of years (171-165 b.c.e.), ruler Antiochus IV (who had Onias killed) pillaged Jerusalem. Antiochus IV matches the "ruler to come",

Now who is the Moshiach?
Dan 12:1-4 says Michael rises to save Israel the same redeemer (HaSheva) who saves
Judah in Jeremiah 23:5-6

Dan CHAPTER TEN Verse 13: But the prince of the kingdom of the Persians resisted me one and twenty days: and behold Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and remained there by the king of the Persians (Cyrus).

**Michael is dealing with Cyrus** thus who is Ezra 1 and Isaiah 44-45 calling LORD AND "REDEEMER" (HaSheva)?

Verse 20: And the angel said: "Do you know where I came from? And now will
*Hashev* Lacham Sar Parac"(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

Verse 21: But I will tell thee what is set down in the scripture of truth: and none is my helper in all these things, but Michael your prince.

1 Ezra 1:1 it was the Lord who stirred up the spirit of Cyrus.
Isaiah 44:24-28 and 45, the Redeemer caused Cyrus heart to change to do the Moshiach roles of delivering the people gathering them, rebuilding the temple etc.
Dan 10 shows this was Michael HaShev who worked on Cyrus' heart doing all the anointed roles, not Jesus.

We had this exact discussion before which makes you a knowing and willing deceiver.

hadit, post: 13768028, member: 44342"
Daniel prophesied Messiah's revealing to the day.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Ha Shev, you don't even understand the scriptures much less edify anybody with them.

Dan 10:21 says you are wrong..
Thanks for playing wack the disabled person(because you claim I'm disabled that makes you an abuser).
This helps show people just how evil you people are.

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I have longed to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling. Look, your house is left to you desolate. And I tell you, you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’”…

Waiting for a sign?

 

[emilynghiem]

Ha Shev, you don't even understand the scriptures much less edify anybody with them.

Dan 10:21 says you are wrong..
Thanks for playing wack the disabled person(because you claim I'm disabled that makes you an abuser).
This helps show people just how evil you people are.

Dear HaShev by your understanding of Scripture and Michael
can you please answer the previous post. Did you skip or see this one:

Okay HaShev I am trying to follow your system.
So you use Michael as the name/role of the Mediator between God and man.

Do you name Michael as the central position in:
"Baptising all nations in the name of the Father,
and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit"

So you equate Michael as the Son
or Michael as the Holy Spirit.

Thank you, HaShev, for clarifying this.

 

[emilynghiem]

You sad creature. You think you have won an argument? Argue against Scripture.

From Daniel 9:

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.

This was fulfilled in Yeshua. .

Now was that so hard, to leave a source so it can be discussed?
The comment however
"You sad creature" was highly uncalled for.

Dear HaShev I think that hadit was showing
COMPASSION for you given the misunderstandings
or miscommunications/misteaching separating us from
reaching a unified agreement yet.

I think this is a much kinder less judgmental approach
than, say calling someone evil, or assuming someone
is insane and impossible to reason with.

Having compassion for one's neighbor is part of
loving one another as God loves us.

Being sad for humanity shows an open heart,
as opposed to being angry or demeaning to others
which closes our hearts and minds to receiving God's loving truth and wisdom.

hadit is seeking to speak the truth
with love, and that is how it found expression,
in sincere sadness for you given this situation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ha Shev, you don't even understand the scriptures much less edify anybody with them.

Dan 10:21 says you are wrong. Thanks for playing wack the disabled person(because you claim I'm disabled that makes you an abuser). This helps show people just how evil you people are.

Thank you for playing into my hands, you fake messiah. I said you did not understand scriptures, not that you are disabled. Words have accepted meanings, kid, and you have to use them to get nay cred.

 

[hadit]

You sad creature. You think you have won an argument? Argue against Scripture.

From Daniel 9:

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.

This was fulfilled in Yeshua. .

Now was that so hard, to leave a source so it can be discussed?
The comment however
"You sad creature" was highly uncalled for.
Now we can correct your being abused with false info. Daniel 9 is not measianic.
Read the language used carefully without being told what it says.

The events Daniel is prophecizing already occured before Jesus and the events of the temple you propose occured after Jesus making the correlation impossible even if you avoided history and thought it didn’t occur yet.
Daniel is talking about "an anointed place" and an anointed (King) not THE ANOINTED ONE.
Now to review why these events already occured:

Dan 9: There is a 7-week (49-year) span between the actual destruction of Jerusalem in 586 (beginning the exile and realizing the decree in 538bc to rebuild), and the end of the exile brought about by the arrival of ‘AN’ anointed one not “THE” anointed one . Kings and High Priests were anointed as AN anointed one but not THE anointed one. Thus we must notice the wording is “an anointed one” not “THE” anointed one.

Dan 9:24 says anoint the holy place not an anointed man. Daniel 9:25 says, "from the time the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was issued, until AN annointed one, a ruler, it will be seven weeks". If the decree is indeed sometime around the beginning of the full Exile, 586 b.c.e., then who is the anointed one mentioned? And, GOD already has referred to ruler Cyrus as his Anointed in
Isaiah 45:1: 70 years after the destruction Cyrus rebuilt the Temple in other words it's completion in 516BC
Here's the reference of this ‘70 years’ by the Historian Josephus in Antiquities 11.1.1: Ant. 11.1.1 "In the first year of the reign of Cyrus, which was the seventieth from the day that our people were removed out of their own land into Babylon, God commiserated the captivity and calamity of these poor people, according as he had foretold to them by Jeremiah the prophet, before the destruction of the city, that after they has served Nebuchadnezzar and his posterity, and after they had undergone that SERVITUDE seventy years, he would restore them again to the land of their fathers, and they should build their temple, and enjoy their ancient prosperity; and these things God did afford them."


Daniel 9:26
And after the sixty-two weeks,an anointed one will be cut off,
and there will be nothing to him.
and the people of a ruler who shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary,
and the end of it/him shall be with a flood,,
and, until the end of the war, desolations are decreed.

62 weeks (434 years) leads us to around 152 b.c.e. the time of antiochus desolation and destruction of the temple. The anointed one was the king who was cut off. High Priest Onias III, who was assasinated (cut off) in 171 b.c.e. In 168 b.c.e., the middle of the next "week" of years (171-165 b.c.e.), ruler Antiochus IV (who had Onias killed) pillaged Jerusalem. Antiochus IV matches the "ruler to come",

Now who is the Moshiach?
Dan 12:1-4 says Michael rises to save Israel the same redeemer (HaSheva) who saves
Judah in Jeremiah 23:5-6

Dan CHAPTER TEN Verse 13: But the prince of the kingdom of the Persians resisted me one and twenty days: and behold Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and remained there by the king of the Persians (Cyrus).

**Michael is dealing with Cyrus** thus who is Ezra 1 and Isaiah 44-45 calling LORD AND "REDEEMER" (HaSheva)?

Verse 20: And the angel said: "Do you know where I came from? And now will
*Hashev* Lacham Sar Parac"(HaShev fight the prince of Persia).

Verse 21: But I will tell thee what is set down in the scripture of truth: and none is my helper in all these things, but Michael your prince.

1 Ezra 1:1 it was the Lord who stirred up the spirit of Cyrus.
Isaiah 44:24-28 and 45, the Redeemer caused Cyrus heart to change to do the Moshiach roles of delivering the people gathering them, rebuilding the temple etc.
Dan 10 shows this was Michael HaShev who worked on Cyrus' heart doing all the anointed roles, not Jesus.

We had this exact discussion before which makes you a knowing and willing deceiver.

hadit, post: 13768028, member: 44342"
Daniel prophesied Messiah's revealing to the day.

The decree to rebuild Jerusalem was issued by Artaxerxes at the end of the exile and Yeshua was revealed at the precise moment Daniel foretold. You are being very confused in your reading of Scripture.