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What do you find loathsome about the idea we should leave people alone unless/until they violate the person or property of their fellow man?
Nothing, but Rand Objectivism which is what 'L'ibertarians are, is far more than that.
IT is a break down of the 'ties that bind us' as a society.
They are anarchists in a bad sort of way.
We can't have individual liberty...we must all be part of the collective..after all, massive unlimited government run by a small elite, works really really well.
You of all people, should know the meaning of 'collective' as your fellow travelers the Communists define it.We can't have individual liberty...we must all be part of the collective..after all, massive unlimited government run by a small elite, works really really well.
Operating as a "collective" is what separated man from the animals
I have to admit...the thought of Ayn Rand being buried upside down is appealing.I have long been acquainted with Libertarians and used to find them kind of adorable in a yapping lapdog kind of way, bitching about the Federal governments over reach, the rise in taxes and why doesnt the GOP have more Libertarians in it?
Well now we have a blend of conservative and Libertarian that many people confuse with 'true' conservatism, but it is NOT conservatism. It is the putrid purge from the mind of an evil avowed atheist escapee from the Soviet Union who had no use for love or charity or God. All Ayn Rand wanted was for people to hate the government and be willing to kill each other to keep their toys. The deepest thought she produced was a complex system of excuses to let your neighbor starve in the street as was common in many parts of the Soviet Union of her time.
William F Buckley Jr and Whitaker Chambers both exposed Rand for the loveless bitch she was deep in her soul. Both observed that 'Atlas Shrugged' was a fantasy shpeel of a world devoid of God, Christian mercy and charity and any semblance of community. They were quite right to denounce her work, her novels and her values system as alien to the body of Conservative American thought.
But fast forward to today's corporate America and we find Rand rehabilitated and flourishing under the guise of conservatism again, a.k.a. 'Conservatarians' and it is rotting Conservatism from the inside, like a cancer.
The take over of the Conservative movement by 'Conservatarians' or Rand Objectivists is a real disaster for the Conservative movement as we enter a new Digital Age in which jobs will be scarce and the party that offers to help other Americans through their adjustment to it will be the majority party for the distant future. Conservatarians cant even put the words together about how to care for other Americans, because deep in their hearts they truly just dont give a shit about anyone but themselves and maybe a few friends.
Which means that either Conservatism will shed itself of these useless evil parasites that are a pimple on Conservatism's ass or the Conservative movement will die the well deserved death of wicked heresies.
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Ms Rand was buried upside down so motherfuckers like you can go by and kiss her ass.
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We can't have individual liberty...we must all be part of the collective..after all, massive unlimited government run by a small elite, works really really well.
Obviously we can have liberty, but we dont have to live in Chaos to do so.
We are a community of people, not a gaggle of assorted individuals with no impact on one another.
And yet the GOP has a significant libertarian faction, a party dominated by conservatives hostile to leaving each other alone, seeking to compel conformity through force of law.What do you find loathsome about the idea we should leave people alone unless/until they violate the person or property of their fellow man?
Nothing, but Rand Objectivism which is what 'L'ibertarians are, is far more than that.
IT is a break down of the 'ties that bind us' as a society.
They are anarchists in a bad sort of way.
I'm glad that you find nothing loathsome about the idea that we each should leave others alone unless/until they trespass against the person or property of their fellow man.
That simple principle is the defining characteristic of libertarianism.
I have long been acquainted with Libertarians and used to find them kind of adorable in a yapping lapdog kind of way, bitching about the Federal governments over reach, the rise in taxes and why doesnt the GOP have more Libertarians in it?
Well now we have a blend of conservative and Libertarian that many people confuse with 'true' conservatism, but it is NOT conservatism. It is the putrid purge from the mind of an evil avowed atheist escapee from the Soviet Union who had no use for love or charity or God. All Ayn Rand wanted was for people to hate the government and be willing to kill each other to keep their toys. The deepest thought she produced was a complex system of excuses to let your neighbor starve in the street as was common in many parts of the Soviet Union of her time.
William F Buckley Jr and Whitaker Chambers both exposed Rand for the loveless bitch she was deep in her soul. Both observed that 'Atlas Shrugged' was a fantasy shpeel of a world devoid of God, Christian mercy and charity and any semblance of community. They were quite right to denounce her work, her novels and her values system as alien to the body of Conservative American thought.
But fast forward to today's corporate America and we find Rand rehabilitated and flourishing under the guise of conservatism again, a.k.a. 'Conservatarians' and it is rotting Conservatism from the inside, like a cancer.
The take over of the Conservative movement by 'Conservatarians' or Rand Objectivists is a real disaster for the Conservative movement as we enter a new Digital Age in which jobs will be scarce and the party that offers to help other Americans through their adjustment to it will be the majority party for the distant future. Conservatarians cant even put the words together about how to care for other Americans, because deep in their hearts they truly just dont give a shit about anyone but themselves and maybe a few friends.
Which means that either Conservatism will shed itself of these useless evil parasites that are a pimple on Conservatism's ass or the Conservative movement will die the well deserved death of wicked heresies.
And yet the GOP has a significant libertarian faction, a party dominated by conservatives hostile to leaving each other alone, seeking to compel conformity through force of law.What do you find loathsome about the idea we should leave people alone unless/until they violate the person or property of their fellow man?
Nothing, but Rand Objectivism which is what 'L'ibertarians are, is far more than that.
IT is a break down of the 'ties that bind us' as a society.
They are anarchists in a bad sort of way.
I'm glad that you find nothing loathsome about the idea that we each should leave others alone unless/until they trespass against the person or property of their fellow man.
That simple principle is the defining characteristic of libertarianism.
Rand Objectivism causes chaos everywhere it is found. Party infighting, fake delegates, fraudulent assertions of loyalty, blatant violations of the electoral laws and hatred for our police are just a few ways this comes out from them when they have enough power in a congressional district to step out from under the refrigerators and into the light like bold cockroaches.
First, you haven't the slightest idea what "Rand Objectivism" is. And If I'm a "bold cockroach", them I'm of the hissing variety. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement. There are bad apples out there who give them a bad name, and they should be punished, not every police officer everywhere.
Second, instead of bandying about terms to which you have no clue to their definition, a Rand Objectivist aspires to:
Follow reason, not whims or faith.
Work hard to achieve a life of purpose and productiveness.
Earn genuine self-esteem.
Pursue one's own happiness as his or her highest moral aim.
Prosper by treating others as individuals, trading value for value.
For the record, I have not read "Atlas Shrugged" nor do I intend to. But I agree with with Rand Objectivism to a point.
Third, I'm also a little "l" minarchist libertarian, or at least that's what my views are closest to. I don't favor complete anarchy. Anarchy can lead to unfettered aggression by one individual against another. There needs to be governance. So a minimal state presence is required in my opinion, not an extensive one.
Perhaps instead of calling us evil or loathsome, maybe you could engage one of us in a civilized debate. I don't really adhere strictly to one of those philosophies or the other. I take the best of them and meld them together to form a unique view for myself.
If you are not a 'L'ibertarian, then my comments were not directed at you.
You of all people, should know the meaning of 'collective' as your fellow travelers the Communists define it.We can't have individual liberty...we must all be part of the collective..after all, massive unlimited government run by a small elite, works really really well.
Operating as a "collective" is what separated man from the animals
Only anarchists want to return to the days of the caveman
Libertarianism is in essence reactionary and sophomoric, untenable in the modern industrialized West.You of all people, should know the meaning of 'collective' as your fellow travelers the Communists define it.We can't have individual liberty...we must all be part of the collective..after all, massive unlimited government run by a small elite, works really really well.
Operating as a "collective" is what separated man from the animals
Modern man is a collective
As we formed larger and larger societies we became more profitable and more powerful. Only anarchists want to return to the days of the caveman
And yet the GOP has a significant libertarian faction, a party dominated by conservatives hostile to leaving each other alone, seeking to compel conformity through force of law.What do you find loathsome about the idea we should leave people alone unless/until they violate the person or property of their fellow man?
Nothing, but Rand Objectivism which is what 'L'ibertarians are, is far more than that.
IT is a break down of the 'ties that bind us' as a society.
They are anarchists in a bad sort of way.
I'm glad that you find nothing loathsome about the idea that we each should leave others alone unless/until they trespass against the person or property of their fellow man.
That simple principle is the defining characteristic of libertarianism.
Libertarianism is in essence reactionary and sophomoric, untenable in the modern industrialized West.
The GOP establishment has nothing in common with Libertarians, but we Libertarians know the Ds are much worse.And yet the GOP has a significant libertarian faction, a party dominated by conservatives hostile to leaving each other alone, seeking to compel conformity through force of law.What do you find loathsome about the idea we should leave people alone unless/until they violate the person or property of their fellow man?
Nothing, but Rand Objectivism which is what 'L'ibertarians are, is far more than that.
IT is a break down of the 'ties that bind us' as a society.
They are anarchists in a bad sort of way.
I'm glad that you find nothing loathsome about the idea that we each should leave others alone unless/until they trespass against the person or property of their fellow man.
That simple principle is the defining characteristic of libertarianism.
I'm glad that you find nothing loathsome about the idea that we each should leave others alone unless/until they trespass against the person or property of their fellow man.
That simple principle is the defining characteristic of libertarianism.
Libertarians have led the charge to legalize gay marriage and end the drug war. We support privacy rights and we're radically opposed to the police state. How do YOU spell 'reactionary'?
Libertarians have led the charge to legalize gay marriage and end the drug war. We support privacy rights and we're radically opposed to the police state. How do YOU spell 'reactionary'?
'Gay rights' and use of the term reactionary are pretty much give aways; useful tool.
Libertarians are social Marxists with a veneer of libertarianism on their political rhetoric.
I will never forget the Libertarian Party meeting I attended where about a dozen people were there not counting myself. Twelve of us were Constitutionalist small 'l' libertarians, while the guy in charge was a Randian Objectivist who did not want anyone in the group if they wanted to keep Social Security.
That was when I realized even way back then, that Libertarians will never have power unless they engage in fraud to get it.
And they are.
Seeking to compel conformity through the force of law violates the libertarian principle that we should leave others alone unless/until they trespass against the person or property of their fellow man. Thus it's not a libertarian position.
