How Franklin Roosevelt Made Memorial Day Necessary

[PoliticalChic]

OP seriously needs a check up from the neck up. Her monday morning QB threads are

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

"....obsess over FDR and his character assassination...."


You mean by telling the truth?

Really?

Now....watch me put you in your place....you won't be able to respond to this question....

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

 

[Moonglow]

OP seriously needs a check up from the neck up. Her monday morning QB threads are

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

prolly has something to do w/ she's a coddled AZN immigrant

Probably don't like communist either...

 

[Moonglow]

OP seriously needs a check up from the neck up. Her monday morning QB threads are

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

"....obsess over FDR and his character assassination...."


You mean by telling the truth?

Really?

Now....watch me put you in your place....you won't be able to respond to this question....

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Hindsight is 20/20.. Now impress us all and prognosticate the eventual world leader in 2030..

 

[Dot Com]

OP seriously needs a check up from the neck up. Her monday morning QB threads are

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

"....obsess over FDR and his character assassination...."


You mean by telling the truth?

Really?

Now....watch me put you in your place....you won't be able to respond to this question....

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Hindsight is 20/20.. Now impress us all and prognosticate the eventual world leader in 2030..

yeah PoliSpice. We're all ears.

 

[irosie91]

should we bring up the still extant USA NAZI FORCE?

Sure.. I had the pleasure of being educated in a place that had pictures of Nazi's on the wall and great stories of their accomplishments to ensure NASA had all it's ducks in a row to compete with the USSR...Wernher Von Braun was the mentor at the Redstone Arsenal Missile Center and School in Huntsville, Alabama....Why we all wore military uniforms, saluted and goose stepped our way to an education on missiles and missile systems.....

Is that where you learned the UBER ALLES ASS SALUTE?

 

[PoliticalChic]

you make excellent points-----chic is asking us to believe that ADOLF was the only Nazi in Germany

The murder of Adolph Hitler would have been used by the Nazi's to strengthen their hold on Germany and purge anyone who was remotely a threat. In 1942, Germany had captured Western Europe and most of the Soviet Union. Hitler would have become a martyr and whoever took over for the Nazi's would have had the complete support of the German people

Earle wrote that his German contacts came back to him with another more specific plan, laying out the involvement of Field Marshal Ludwig Beck; Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, chief of police of Berlin; Prince Gottfried Bismarck, a Potsdam official and grandson of the “Iron Chancellor”; and a well-known cavalry officer, Freiherr von Boeselager. Again, the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany." "Wedemeyer Reports!: An objective, dispassionate examination of World War II, postwar policies, and Grand Strategy," by General Albert C. Wedemeyer

Quite an offer there

That would have been quite an accomplishment in 1942 with the Nazis at the peak of their power and popularity. Resistance forces were unable to topple Hitler with the Soviets knocking on the gates of Berlin, but could have been successful in 1942
What makes you think the German people and the military would have supported a coup?

Germany controlled most of Europe and half the Soviet Union....why would they unconditionally surrender?

what about AUSTRIA? ---they actually had popular support over there----and what about HUNGARY-----enthusiastic participants. ----then there was JAPAN and ITALY------everyone was going to fold just because tiny little adolf got a bullet in his head?

Just like when Lenin died, they called off communism in Russia..

"....when Lenin died, they called off communism in Russia.."


And, one more post that validates what the first defector, Victor Kravchenko said:

. Kravcheko revealed that the Communists did in reality what Winston Smith did in "1984,"....

"Shamelessly, without so much as an explanation, it revised half a century of Russian history. I don't mean simply that it falsified some facts or gave a new interpretation of events. I mean that it deliberately stood history on its head, expunging events and inventing facts.

It twisted the recent past--a past still fresh in millions of memories--into new and bizarre shapes, to conform with the version of affairs presented by the blood-purge trials and the accompanying propaganda... The roles of leading historical figures were perverted or altogether erased.... More than that, living witnesses, as far as possible, were removed. The directing staff of the Institute of Marx, Engels and Lenin in Moscow, repository of ideological truth, were removed and the more important people among them imprisoned or shot.

a. . The new history" became possible. To brand the shame more deeply on our minds, "study" of the new version was made obligatory for all responsible Party people. History classes met nearly every night in this period and lecturers from Sverdlovsk came to our town to help hammer home the lies, while most of us fumed inwardly. Whatever human dignity remained in our character was humiliated.. But even the most gigantic lie, by dint of infinite repetition, takes root; Stalin knew this before Hitler discovered it. As I looked on I could see terrible falsehoods, at first accepted under pressure, become established as unquestioned "facts," particularly among younger people without personal experience to the contrary to bother them."
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Bulletin: Stalin never gave up communism, international socialism.

It lives on in his creation, the United Nations.

 

[Dot Com]

Is there a Doctor in the house? PoliSpice has gone overboard

 

[irosie91]

yeah? so? what else is new?

 

[rightwinger]

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Think of it, if FDR had been killed by an American resistant movement would America have given up and surrendered to the Germans? If Stalin had been killed by Russians would the Russians have given up, the British and Churchill and on and on?

you make excellent points-----chic is asking us to believe that ADOLF was the only Nazi in Germany

The murder of Adolph Hitler would have been used by the Nazi's to strengthen their hold on Germany and purge anyone who was remotely a threat. In 1942, Germany had captured Western Europe and most of the Soviet Union. Hitler would have become a martyr and whoever took over for the Nazi's would have had the complete support of the German people

Earle wrote that his German contacts came back to him with another more specific plan, laying out the involvement of Field Marshal Ludwig Beck; Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, chief of police of Berlin; Prince Gottfried Bismarck, a Potsdam official and grandson of the “Iron Chancellor”; and a well-known cavalry officer, Freiherr von Boeselager. Again, the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany." "Wedemeyer Reports!: An objective, dispassionate examination of World War II, postwar policies, and Grand Strategy," by General Albert C. Wedemeyer

Quite an offer there

That would have been quite an accomplishment in 1942 with the Nazis at the peak of their power and popularity. Resistance forces were unable to topple Hitler with the Soviets knocking on the gates of Berlin, but could have been successful in 1942
What makes you think the German people and the military would have supported a coup?

Germany controlled most of Europe and half the Soviet Union....why would they unconditionally surrender?

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Again it is easier to support a resistance movement in a conquered territory where the people hate the occupiers

German resistance was feeble and unorganized. The people were not behind it

 

[PoliticalChic]

OP seriously needs a check up from the neck up. Her monday morning QB threads are

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

"....obsess over FDR and his character assassination...."


You mean by telling the truth?

Really?

Now....watch me put you in your place....you won't be able to respond to this question....

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Hindsight is 20/20.. Now impress us all and prognosticate the eventual world leader in 2030..

"Hindsight is 20/20."

You just admitted that everything I posed is correct and accurate.

'Hindsight is 20/20. This is a saying which means that "It's easy to know the right thing to do after something has happened, but it's hard to predict the future." Let me explain why this phrase has that meaning. First, "hindsight" means "thinking about things after they've happened".
English Phrase: Hindsight is 20/20. | PhraseMix.com
www.phrasemix.com/phrases/hindsight-is-20-20

 

[Moonglow]

should we bring up the still extant USA NAZI FORCE?

Sure.. I had the pleasure of being educated in a place that had pictures of Nazi's on the wall and great stories of their accomplishments to ensure NASA had all it's ducks in a row to compete with the USSR...Wernher Von Braun was the mentor at the Redstone Arsenal Missile Center and School in Huntsville, Alabama....Why we all wore military uniforms, saluted and goose stepped our way to an education on missiles and missile systems.....

Is that where you learned the UBER ALLES ASS SALUTE?

Seige hail schizer Polichicnick......

 

[PoliticalChic]

you make excellent points-----chic is asking us to believe that ADOLF was the only Nazi in Germany

The murder of Adolph Hitler would have been used by the Nazi's to strengthen their hold on Germany and purge anyone who was remotely a threat. In 1942, Germany had captured Western Europe and most of the Soviet Union. Hitler would have become a martyr and whoever took over for the Nazi's would have had the complete support of the German people

Earle wrote that his German contacts came back to him with another more specific plan, laying out the involvement of Field Marshal Ludwig Beck; Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, chief of police of Berlin; Prince Gottfried Bismarck, a Potsdam official and grandson of the “Iron Chancellor”; and a well-known cavalry officer, Freiherr von Boeselager. Again, the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany." "Wedemeyer Reports!: An objective, dispassionate examination of World War II, postwar policies, and Grand Strategy," by General Albert C. Wedemeyer

Quite an offer there

That would have been quite an accomplishment in 1942 with the Nazis at the peak of their power and popularity. Resistance forces were unable to topple Hitler with the Soviets knocking on the gates of Berlin, but could have been successful in 1942
What makes you think the German people and the military would have supported a coup?

Germany controlled most of Europe and half the Soviet Union....why would they unconditionally surrender?

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Again it is easier to support a resistance movement in a conquered territory where the people hate the occupiers

German resistance was feeble and unorganized. The people were not behind it

Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.


. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."


.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

 

[irosie91]

OP seriously needs a check up from the neck up. Her monday morning QB threads are

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

"....obsess over FDR and his character assassination...."


You mean by telling the truth?

Really?

Now....watch me put you in your place....you won't be able to respond to this question....

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Hindsight is 20/20.. Now impress us all and prognosticate the eventual world leader in 2030..

"Hindsight is 20/20."

You just admitted that everything I posed is correct and accurate.

'Hindsight is 20/20. This is a saying which means that "It's easy to know the right thing to do after something has happened, but it's hard to predict the future." Let me explain why this phrase has that meaning. First, "hindsight" means "thinking about things after they've happened".
English Phrase: Hindsight is 20/20. | PhraseMix.com
www.phrasemix.com/phrases/hindsight-is-20-20

nope-----your USE real outcomes in your SOPHIST attempt to "prove" that FDR loved
Stalin-------

 

[Moonglow]

OP seriously needs a check up from the neck up. Her monday morning QB threads are

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

"....obsess over FDR and his character assassination...."


You mean by telling the truth?

Really?

Now....watch me put you in your place....you won't be able to respond to this question....

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Hindsight is 20/20.. Now impress us all and prognosticate the eventual world leader in 2030..

"Hindsight is 20/20."

You just admitted that everything I posed is correct and accurate.

'Hindsight is 20/20. This is a saying which means that "It's easy to know the right thing to do after something has happened, but it's hard to predict the future." Let me explain why this phrase has that meaning. First, "hindsight" means "thinking about things after they've happened".
English Phrase: Hindsight is 20/20. | PhraseMix.com
www.phrasemix.com/phrases/hindsight-is-20-20

You posted assumptions and lies to push your agenda of getting Reagan to the number one spot on the most popular presidents of the US poll..

 

[PoliticalChic]

should we bring up the still extant USA NAZI FORCE?

Sure.. I had the pleasure of being educated in a place that had pictures of Nazi's on the wall and great stories of their accomplishments to ensure NASA had all it's ducks in a row to compete with the USSR...Wernher Von Braun was the mentor at the Redstone Arsenal Missile Center and School in Huntsville, Alabama....Why we all wore military uniforms, saluted and goose stepped our way to an education on missiles and missile systems.....

Is that where you learned the UBER ALLES ASS SALUTE?

Seige hail schizer Polichicnick......

Nice of you to remind all of the relationship of all the Leftist doctrines....

......Nazis, Communists, Fascists, Liberals, Progressives and Socialists.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OP seriously needs a check up from the neck up. Her monday morning QB threads are

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

"....obsess over FDR and his character assassination...."


You mean by telling the truth?

Really?

Now....watch me put you in your place....you won't be able to respond to this question....

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Hindsight is 20/20.. Now impress us all and prognosticate the eventual world leader in 2030..

"Hindsight is 20/20."

You just admitted that everything I posed is correct and accurate.

'Hindsight is 20/20. This is a saying which means that "It's easy to know the right thing to do after something has happened, but it's hard to predict the future." Let me explain why this phrase has that meaning. First, "hindsight" means "thinking about things after they've happened".
English Phrase: Hindsight is 20/20. | PhraseMix.com
www.phrasemix.com/phrases/hindsight-is-20-20

nope-----your USE real outcomes in your SOPHIST attempt to "prove" that FDR loved
Stalin-------

Yet you haven't been able to deny any of the facts I've provided.

Case closed?

 

[PoliticalChic]

OP seriously needs a check up from the neck up. Her monday morning QB threads are

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

"....obsess over FDR and his character assassination...."


You mean by telling the truth?

Really?

Now....watch me put you in your place....you won't be able to respond to this question....

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Hindsight is 20/20.. Now impress us all and prognosticate the eventual world leader in 2030..

"Hindsight is 20/20."

You just admitted that everything I posed is correct and accurate.

'Hindsight is 20/20. This is a saying which means that "It's easy to know the right thing to do after something has happened, but it's hard to predict the future." Let me explain why this phrase has that meaning. First, "hindsight" means "thinking about things after they've happened".
English Phrase: Hindsight is 20/20. | PhraseMix.com
www.phrasemix.com/phrases/hindsight-is-20-20

You posted assumptions and lies to push your agenda of getting Reagan to the number one spot on the most popular presidents of the US poll..

"You posted assumptions and lies..."

Hmmmm......not a single example of a lie by me?

Or these authorities:

Let's see......

3. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.


4. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

And this....

One of the highest anti-Nazi Germans was the chief of Nazi Germany's military intelligence division, the Abwehr, Admiral Wm. Canaris. Try as he might, the Allies would not open communications channels with Canaris .


a. "Wilhelm Franz Canaris (1 January 1887 – 9 April 1945) was a German admiral, and chief of the Abwehr, the German military intelligence service, from 1935 to 1944. During the Second World War, he was among the military officers involved in the clandestine opposition to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime.... "Wilhelm Canaris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. A few weeks before the war ended, Canaris was hanged by he Nazis. Hanged twice: "once to show him what death tasted like."
“Canaris Hanging Related,” New York Times, October 11, 1952.



c."Major General Sir Stewart Graham Menzies, KCB KCMG DSO MC (i/ˈmɪŋᵻz/; 30 January 1890 – 29 May 1968) was Chief of MI6 (SIS), British Secret Intelligence Service from 1939 to 1952, during and after the Second World War."
Stewart Menzies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Britain's intelligence chief said this about Canaris: 'It is said that had it not been for the Foreign Office's fear of offending Russia that he might have established direct contact with the admiral [Canaris] in 1942 on the removal of Hitler as a means of shortening the war."
“Gen. Menzies, Ex-British Intelligence Chief, Dies,” New York Times, May 31, 1968.




Did you see the date: 1942. When did the war with Germany finally end?

"May 7, 1945: Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims" Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims ? History.com This Day in History ? 5/7/1945

What prevented an earlier conclusion to the war?
"... fear of offending Russia..."

Fear of offending, it seems to me, suggests a relationship with one's superiors....
i.e., Roosevelt considered Stalin his superior.






Not enough????


OK....more:


Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles,first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

And....
The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."





Let's review:

On my side, FDR's pick for fact finder,Governor George Earle,

'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS,

chief of Nazi Germany's military intelligence division, the Abwehr, Admiral Wm. Canaris,

Major General Sir Stewart Graham Menzies, Chief of MI6 (SIS), British Secret Intelligence Service.

and

Allen Dulles,first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director.


Oh....and the NYTimes, March 18, 1946.




On the other side, you and another bunch of ignorant low-life liars.





So much for the propaganda that has indelibly infected what passes for thinking in your analysis.


Are you beginning to see why you should have gotten a real education?

 

[irosie91]

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

"....obsess over FDR and his character assassination...."


You mean by telling the truth?

Really?

Now....watch me put you in your place....you won't be able to respond to this question....

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Hindsight is 20/20.. Now impress us all and prognosticate the eventual world leader in 2030..

"Hindsight is 20/20."

You just admitted that everything I posed is correct and accurate.

'Hindsight is 20/20. This is a saying which means that "It's easy to know the right thing to do after something has happened, but it's hard to predict the future." Let me explain why this phrase has that meaning. First, "hindsight" means "thinking about things after they've happened".
English Phrase: Hindsight is 20/20. | PhraseMix.com
www.phrasemix.com/phrases/hindsight-is-20-20

nope-----your USE real outcomes in your SOPHIST attempt to "prove" that FDR loved
Stalin-------

Yet you haven't been able to deny any of the facts I've provided.

Case closed?

what "fact"? you are attempting to PROVE that FDR loved Stalin------you did not prove that "fact" by demonstrating that he did not KILL adolf. I know he did not kill adolf-----neither did you

 

[irosie91]

Certainly seems to obsess over FDR and his character assassination....

"....obsess over FDR and his character assassination...."


You mean by telling the truth?

Really?

Now....watch me put you in your place....you won't be able to respond to this question....

1. Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.

2. Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles, first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of that the German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

a. The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anit-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



...what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement....

Hindsight is 20/20.. Now impress us all and prognosticate the eventual world leader in 2030..

"Hindsight is 20/20."

You just admitted that everything I posed is correct and accurate.

'Hindsight is 20/20. This is a saying which means that "It's easy to know the right thing to do after something has happened, but it's hard to predict the future." Let me explain why this phrase has that meaning. First, "hindsight" means "thinking about things after they've happened".
English Phrase: Hindsight is 20/20. | PhraseMix.com
www.phrasemix.com/phrases/hindsight-is-20-20

You posted assumptions and lies to push your agenda of getting Reagan to the number one spot on the most popular presidents of the US poll..

"You posted assumptions and lies..."

Hmmmm......not a single example of a lie by me?

Or these authorities:

Let's see......

3. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.


4. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

And this....

One of the highest anti-Nazi Germans was the chief of Nazi Germany's military intelligence division, the Abwehr, Admiral Wm. Canaris. Try as he might, the Allies would not open communications channels with Canaris .


a. "Wilhelm Franz Canaris (1 January 1887 – 9 April 1945) was a German admiral, and chief of the Abwehr, the German military intelligence service, from 1935 to 1944. During the Second World War, he was among the military officers involved in the clandestine opposition to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime.... "Wilhelm Canaris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. A few weeks before the war ended, Canaris was hanged by he Nazis. Hanged twice: "once to show him what death tasted like."
“Canaris Hanging Related,” New York Times, October 11, 1952.



c."Major General Sir Stewart Graham Menzies, KCB KCMG DSO MC (i/ˈmɪŋᵻz/; 30 January 1890 – 29 May 1968) was Chief of MI6 (SIS), British Secret Intelligence Service from 1939 to 1952, during and after the Second World War."
Stewart Menzies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Britain's intelligence chief said this about Canaris: 'It is said that had it not been for the Foreign Office's fear of offending Russia that he might have established direct contact with the admiral [Canaris] in 1942 on the removal of Hitler as a means of shortening the war."
“Gen. Menzies, Ex-British Intelligence Chief, Dies,” New York Times, May 31, 1968.




Did you see the date: 1942. When did the war with Germany finally end?

"May 7, 1945: Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims" Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims ? History.com This Day in History ? 5/7/1945

What prevented an earlier conclusion to the war?
"... fear of offending Russia..."

Fear of offending, it seems to me, suggests a relationship with one's superiors....
i.e., Roosevelt considered Stalin his superior.






Not enough????


OK....more:


Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles,first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

And....
The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."





Let's review:

On my side, FDR's pick for fact finder,Governor George Earle,

'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS,

chief of Nazi Germany's military intelligence division, the Abwehr, Admiral Wm. Canaris,

Major General Sir Stewart Graham Menzies, Chief of MI6 (SIS), British Secret Intelligence Service.

and

Allen Dulles,first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director.


Oh....and the NYTimes, March 18, 1946.




On the other side, you an another bunch of ignorant low-life liar.





So much for the propaganda that has indelibly infected what passes for thinking in your analysis.


Are you beginning to see why you should have gotten a real education?

More chic sophistry------you think you have PROVEN?------go right ahead and PROVE
that a dead adolf would have ENDED WORLD WAR II. NOPE--no more than a dead binny ended that FAKE islamicist terrorism

 

[Moonglow]

But wait, even the British had a chance to have Germany surrender when in 1941 Rudolf Hess flew to Scotland to negotiate a surrender and peace treaty and the English imprisoned Rudolf and did not further negotiate with Hitler...Churchill was a pinko also..