How is Jesus the Messiah?

[Crixus]

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

Because god said so, man your stupid, gosh.

 

[TNHarley]

Can someone explain this to me?
As far as i can tell, he didnt meet the requirements. Obviously lol..
So how?

Because god said so, man your stupid, gosh.

 

[ding]

Its THEIR prophecy. Who the fuck are you guys? You cant just say a guy fulfilled the prophecy when he didnt fulfill the prophecy and say the people for who the prophecy belongs to got it wrong.
My gawd man, that is the ultimate dishonesty.

A devout Christian is incapable of seeing reality in terms of whether or not Jesus effectuated the prophecies; you’re not going to get anywhere with this discussion.

It might help if he at least said which prophecies were not met and why he believes that.

But sure, absent that this is going no where because the basis for his belief is no where.

Do you even logic?

You mean like Global Peace?
All animals becoming herbivores.
Don’t play ignorant.
Post Jesus has been everything not stated in any of the prophets.

I mean like a comprehensive list of the ones the OP believes were not met.

Is that too much to ask for? The basis for belief? Seems like it should already exist since he has published his belief.

How many standards are you willing to lower?

Drink some coffee, go to Wikipedia and look it up.
Lord, man, are you basing your eternity on something you know zero about?

So then it is too much to ask that a person making an assertion have a basis for making it?

 

[ding]

• Isaiah 1 "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[8] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established." (Isaiah 1:26)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
• The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11–17)
• He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8–10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
• The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
• Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
• He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
• All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
• He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
• Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13–53:5)
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[9]
• He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
• He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13–15, Ezekiel 36:29–30, Isaiah 11:6–9)

Hey ding, how many of these did he fulfill?

TN your assertion is that he didn't meet the requirements so you have to tell me which ones he didn't.

Your OP. Your argument. What is it?

 

[ding]

It might help if he at least said which prophecies were not met and why he believes that.

But sure, absent that this is going no where because the basis for his belief is no where.

Do you even logic?

You mean like Global Peace?
All animals becoming herbivores.
Don’t play ignorant.
Post Jesus has been everything not stated in any of the prophets.

I mean like a comprehensive list of the ones the OP believes were not met.

Is that too much to ask for? The basis for belief? Seems like it should already exist since he has published his belief.

How many standards are you willing to lower?

Drink some coffee, go to Wikipedia and look it up.
Lord, man, are you basing your eternity on something you know zero about?

I am in THE MOOOD >>>>>.....about which your know, zero.

Ding seems clueless when it comes to his Scripture.

I'll let you know when the opinion of a blind and self righteous Jew matters to me, brother.

 

[irosie91]

You mean like Global Peace?
All animals becoming herbivores.
Don’t play ignorant.
Post Jesus has been everything not stated in any of the prophets.

I mean like a comprehensive list of the ones the OP believes were not met.

Is that too much to ask for? The basis for belief? Seems like it should already exist since he has published his belief.

How many standards are you willing to lower?

Drink some coffee, go to Wikipedia and look it up.
Lord, man, are you basing your eternity on something you know zero about?

I am in THE MOOOD >>>>>.....about which your know, zero.

Ding seems clueless when it comes to his Scripture.

I'll let you know when the opinion of a blind and self righteous Jew matters to me, brother.

I never met a 'blind and self righteous Jew' -------what opinion did he express?

 

[TNHarley]

• Isaiah 1 "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[8] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established." (Isaiah 1:26)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
• The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11–17)
• He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8–10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
• The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
• Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
• He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
• All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
• He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
• Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13–53:5)
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[9]
• He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
• He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13–15, Ezekiel 36:29–30, Isaiah 11:6–9)

Hey ding, how many of these did he fulfill?

TN your assertion is that he didn't meet the requirements so you have to tell me which ones he didn't.

Your OP. Your argument. What is it?

How could any honest person look at that list of prophecies and not be like "TN you are right"
How is that even possible?

 

[ding]

At some point it should become obvious to anyone who is not blinded by bias, that TN does not have a cogent argument.

Here we are going on 20 plus pages and he has still not made an argument?

Accusation? Yes. Basis for the accusation? No.

Let's give the atheist a hall pass because he attacks the Christian faith.

That's some kind of standard you have there. What could possibly go wrong.

 

[ding]

• Isaiah 1 "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[8] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established." (Isaiah 1:26)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
• The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11–17)
• He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8–10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
• The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
• Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
• He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
• All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
• He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
• Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13–53:5)
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[9]
• He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
• He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13–15, Ezekiel 36:29–30, Isaiah 11:6–9)

Hey ding, how many of these did he fulfill?

TN your assertion is that he didn't meet the requirements so you have to tell me which ones he didn't.

Your OP. Your argument. What is it?

How could any honest person look at that list of prophecies and not be like "TN you are right"
How is that even possible?

Then it shouldn't be too hard to go on record telling which requirements he didn't meet, right?

That is your position, right?

 

[Indeependent]

• Isaiah 1 "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[8] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established." (Isaiah 1:26)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
• The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11–17)
• He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8–10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
• The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
• Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
• He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
• All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
• He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
• Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13–53:5)
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[9]
• He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
• He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13–15, Ezekiel 36:29–30, Isaiah 11:6–9)

Hey ding, how many of these did he fulfill?

TN your assertion is that he didn't meet the requirements so you have to tell me which ones he didn't.

Your OP. Your argument. What is it?

Now you’re being disingenuous as not even one of these prophecies came about.
You’re making an art of self-deception.

 

[TNHarley]

At some point it should become obvious to anyone who is not blue blinded by bias, that TN does not have a cogent argument.

Here we are going in 20 plus pages and he has still not made an argument?

Accusation? Yes. Basis for the accusation? No.

Let's give the atheist a hall pass because he attacks the Christian faith.

That's some kind of standard you have there. What could possibly go wrong.

Why cant you tell me what prophecies he didnt fulfill from the list? Is it because your dishonest self doesnt want to answer "almost all of them?"

 

[irosie91]

He never got married

 

[ding]

At some point it should become obvious to anyone who is not blue blinded by bias, that TN does not have a cogent argument.

Here we are going in 20 plus pages and he has still not made an argument?

Accusation? Yes. Basis for the accusation? No.

Let's give the atheist a hall pass because he attacks the Christian faith.

That's some kind of standard you have there. What could possibly go wrong.

Why cant you tell me what prophecies he didnt fulfill from the list? Is it because your dishonest self doesnt want to answer "almost all of them?"

Because it is your argument to make dumbass.

 

[Indeependent]

You mean like Global Peace?
All animals becoming herbivores.
Don’t play ignorant.
Post Jesus has been everything not stated in any of the prophets.

I mean like a comprehensive list of the ones the OP believes were not met.

Is that too much to ask for? The basis for belief? Seems like it should already exist since he has published his belief.

How many standards are you willing to lower?

Drink some coffee, go to Wikipedia and look it up.
Lord, man, are you basing your eternity on something you know zero about?

I am in THE MOOOD >>>>>.....about which your know, zero.

Ding seems clueless when it comes to his Scripture.

I'll let you know when the opinion of a blind and self righteous Jew matters to me, brother.

TN just posted what you asked for and you respond with mental illness.

 

[TNHarley]

• Isaiah 1 "And I will restore your judges as at first and your counsellors as in the beginning; afterwards you shall be called City of Righteousness, Faithful City." Some Jews[8] interpret this to mean that the Sanhedrin will be re-established." (Isaiah 1:26)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
• The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11–17)
• He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8–10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
• The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
• Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
• He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
• All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
• He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
• Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13–53:5)
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[9]
• He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
• He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13–15, Ezekiel 36:29–30, Isaiah 11:6–9)

Hey ding, how many of these did he fulfill?

TN your assertion is that he didn't meet the requirements so you have to tell me which ones he didn't.

Your OP. Your argument. What is it?

How could any honest person look at that list of prophecies and not be like "TN you are right"
How is that even possible?

Then it shouldn't be too hard to go on record telling which requirements he didn't meet, right?

That is your position, right?

OMG you little prick
All the Nation leaders didnt look to him
The whole world doesnt worship the abrahamic god
Evil and tyranny stood before his leadership
All israelites didnt return to their kingdom
death is "alive and well"
hunger and illness is "alive and well"
the dead didnt rise
the jewish people havent experienced eternal joy
the nations havent recognized their wrongs against israel
the world didnt turn to jews
ruined cities of israel havent been restored
weapons of war havent been destroyed
The messianic age did NOT happen which was the main prophecy. Or so i have heard

 

[TNHarley]

I mean like a comprehensive list of the ones the OP believes were not met.

Is that too much to ask for? The basis for belief? Seems like it should already exist since he has published his belief.

How many standards are you willing to lower?

Drink some coffee, go to Wikipedia and look it up.
Lord, man, are you basing your eternity on something you know zero about?

I am in THE MOOOD >>>>>.....about which your know, zero.

Ding seems clueless when it comes to his Scripture.

I'll let you know when the opinion of a blind and self righteous Jew matters to me, brother.

TN just posted what you asked for and you respond with mental illness.

Ding tried to make this complicated because he has nothing else.

 

[Indeependent]

Drink some coffee, go to Wikipedia and look it up.
Lord, man, are you basing your eternity on something you know zero about?

I am in THE MOOOD >>>>>.....about which your know, zero.

Ding seems clueless when it comes to his Scripture.

I'll let you know when the opinion of a blind and self righteous Jew matters to me, brother.

TN just posted what you asked for and you respond with mental illness.

Ding tried to make this complicated because he has nothing else.

He used to be more logical; as of late he has been irrational.

 

[hobelim]

All animals becoming herbivores.

You will be waiting for such a thing to happen for as long as Christians will wait for Jesus to float down from the sky.

talk about irrational....lol

 

[Indeependent]

All animals becoming herbivores.

You will be waiting for such a thing to happen for as long as Christians will wait for Jesus to float down from the sky.

talk about irrational....lol

You believe this world is the result of the Calvary?

 

[hobelim]

All animals becoming herbivores.

You will be waiting for such a thing to happen for as long as Christians will wait for Jesus to float down from the sky.

talk about irrational....lol

You believe this world is the result of the Calvary?

Thats an irrational strike two..