How is Jesus the Messiah?

[TNHarley]

How could any honest person look at that list of prophecies and not be like "TN you are right"
How is that even possible?

Then it shouldn't be too hard to go on record telling which requirements he didn't meet, right?

That is your position, right?

OMG you little prick
All the Nation leaders didnt look to him
The whole world doesnt worship the abrahamic god
Evil and tyranny stood before his leadership
All israelites didnt return to their kingdom
death is "alive and well"
hunger and illness is "alive and well"
the dead didnt rise
the jewish people havent experienced eternal joy
the nations havent recognized their wrongs against israel
the world didnt turn to jews
ruined cities of israel havent been restored
weapons of war havent been destroyed
The messianic age did NOT happen which was the main prophecy. Or so i have heard

You speak only based upon your own carnal biases and precepts as do many others when it comes to their carnal precepts of what has and has not been filled prophetically. God is a spirit and that passes right over the heads of non believers and those who lack faith. That is just the way it is so you and many others remain blind, deaf and dumb. That doesn't mean it will always be that away but for the moment that is where you are.

That has nothing to do with jesus not being the messiah.

Messiah, aka messenger, aka a being who stepped out from the place humans know or think they know as a heavenly location somewhere in the universe and manifested into being a normal everyday human yet full of the spirit of God. Does that cover your expectations of the Messiah?

No. I am going by the ACTUAL prophecy.

 

[RodISHI]

Then it shouldn't be too hard to go on record telling which requirements he didn't meet, right?

That is your position, right?

OMG you little prick
All the Nation leaders didnt look to him
The whole world doesnt worship the abrahamic god
Evil and tyranny stood before his leadership
All israelites didnt return to their kingdom
death is "alive and well"
hunger and illness is "alive and well"
the dead didnt rise
the jewish people havent experienced eternal joy
the nations havent recognized their wrongs against israel
the world didnt turn to jews
ruined cities of israel havent been restored
weapons of war havent been destroyed
The messianic age did NOT happen which was the main prophecy. Or so i have heard

You speak only based upon your own carnal biases and precepts as do many others when it comes to their carnal precepts of what has and has not been filled prophetically. God is a spirit and that passes right over the heads of non believers and those who lack faith. That is just the way it is so you and many others remain blind, deaf and dumb. That doesn't mean it will always be that away but for the moment that is where you are.

That has nothing to do with jesus not being the messiah.

Messiah, aka messenger, aka a being who stepped out from the place humans know or think they know as a heavenly location somewhere in the universe and manifested into being a normal everyday human yet full of the spirit of God. Does that cover your expectations of the Messiah?

No. I am going by the ACTUAL prophecy.

Really and pray tell which one as Jesus is the spirit of prophecy? Wouldn't that make all that it is written throughout out the ages a piece and a portion of that prophecy?

 

[hobelim]

Because he died knowing full well that he'd be a king in paradise right afterwards. The ultimate sacrifice.

Say what? That's no sacrifice at all.

If you told me I would be a king in paradise after I killed myself guess what I would do? I'd gladly kill myself. So Jesus didn't sacrifice anything really.

Sorry but this story of him killing himself for me/us doesn't make any sense at all.

“Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.”

You have confused superstitious church dogma with what is actually written.

Why don't you try and read it for yourself and see if you can come up with something more rational...

Have you read the koran and book of mormons yet?

yes.

What did you get out of them?

A better understanding than I had before I read them...

If my only knowledge of Christianity was from exposure to greek orthodox beliefs and practices I would be making an ass out of myself right along with you.

 

[Indeependent]

Drink some coffee, go to Wikipedia and look it up.
Lord, man, are you basing your eternity on something you know zero about?

I am in THE MOOOD >>>>>.....about which your know, zero.

Ding seems clueless when it comes to his Scripture.

I'll let you know when the opinion of a blind and self righteous Jew matters to me, brother.

TN just posted what you asked for and you respond with mental illness.

No. He didn't. He posted a list of the prophecies and asked me to prove the ones he did fulfill.

Address each enumerated Jesus failure.

 

[Indeependent]

TN your assertion is that he didn't meet the requirements so you have to tell me which ones he didn't.

Your OP. Your argument. What is it?

Some people claim that the messiah was supposed to rebuild the Temple based on a stupid interpretation of a prophecy that states that the messiah will restore the "sanctuary of God" which is about the promised "divine providence" for the righteous application of the law, not a gilded slaughterhouse made by human hands....

It all boils down to the fact that irrational messianic expectations went unfulfilled by Jesus who appeared during a time when the Temple was already standing restored, making his messianic claims seem like a mental illness.

Consequently, the way in which he did fulfill the prophecy about restoring the sanctuary of God still eludes them.

Of course...in a manner in which only you know of.

Indeed there was a time when I was the only person on earth who did, but that was a very long time ago....

Understanding the teachings of Jesus comes easier to those who already profess a belief in him.....

It really isn't that difficult. Sanctuary of God = Divine Providence.

Jesus restored the sanctuary of God in the midst of the people by teaching and demonstrating the only right way to interpret and conform to the divine commands that fulfills the promise of eternal life.

Until you begin to actually conform to the law in the way that Jesus taught and refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, you will not begin to recover from the sleep of the dead.

You’re not nearly as entertaining as Buffy, The Vampire Slayer.

Maybe so but you are way more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

Don't take it too hard if you continue to fail to understand whats going on.

It is written that at the resurrection the dead in Christ will be the first to rise...

So while you are patiently waiting for someone to come and build a temple, all animals to become herbivores, war to end and and death to cease, droves of people from all religions and walks of life are entering the kingdom of God before you..

Is that why Islam and Hinduism are out growing Christianity?

 

[RodISHI]

I am in THE MOOOD >>>>>.....about which your know, zero.

Ding seems clueless when it comes to his Scripture.

I'll let you know when the opinion of a blind and self righteous Jew matters to me, brother.

TN just posted what you asked for and you respond with mental illness.

No. He didn't. He posted a list of the prophecies and asked me to prove the ones he did fulfill.

Address each enumerated Jesus failure.

A ridiculous notion. Your or others lack and failures would not equate to Jesus lacking or failing in anything.

 

[Indeependent]

How could any honest person look at that list of prophecies and not be like "TN you are right"
How is that even possible?

Then it shouldn't be too hard to go on record telling which requirements he didn't meet, right?

That is your position, right?

OMG you little prick
All the Nation leaders didnt look to him
The whole world doesnt worship the abrahamic god
Evil and tyranny stood before his leadership
All israelites didnt return to their kingdom
death is "alive and well"
hunger and illness is "alive and well"
the dead didnt rise
the jewish people havent experienced eternal joy
the nations havent recognized their wrongs against israel
the world didnt turn to jews
ruined cities of israel havent been restored
weapons of war havent been destroyed
The messianic age did NOT happen which was the main prophecy. Or so i have heard

You speak only based upon your own carnal biases and precepts as do many others when it comes to their carnal precepts of what has and has not been filled prophetically. God is a spirit and that passes right over the heads of non believers and those who lack faith. That is just the way it is so you and many others remain blind, deaf and dumb. That doesn't mean it will always be that away but for the moment that is where you are.

That has nothing to do with jesus not being the messiah.

Messiah, aka messenger, aka a being who stepped out from the place humans know or think they know as a heavenly location somewhere in the universe and manifested into being a normal everyday human yet full of the spirit of God. Does that cover your expectations of the Messiah?

Moshiac means annointed, a sheliach is a messenger.

 

[Indeependent]

Ding seems clueless when it comes to his Scripture.

I'll let you know when the opinion of a blind and self righteous Jew matters to me, brother.

TN just posted what you asked for and you respond with mental illness.

No. He didn't. He posted a list of the prophecies and asked me to prove the ones he did fulfill.

Address each enumerated Jesus failure.

A ridiculous notion. Your or others lack and failures would not equate to Jesus lacking or failing in anything.

Not one of the prophecies has yet occurred.

 

[RodISHI]

I'll let you know when the opinion of a blind and self righteous Jew matters to me, brother.

TN just posted what you asked for and you respond with mental illness.

No. He didn't. He posted a list of the prophecies and asked me to prove the ones he did fulfill.

Address each enumerated Jesus failure.

A ridiculous notion. Your or others lack and failures would not equate to Jesus lacking or failing in anything.

Not one of the prophecies has yet occurred.

Why because you can't see it?

Then it shouldn't be too hard to go on record telling which requirements he didn't meet, right?

That is your position, right?

OMG you little prick
All the Nation leaders didnt look to him
The whole world doesnt worship the abrahamic god
Evil and tyranny stood before his leadership
All israelites didnt return to their kingdom
death is "alive and well"
hunger and illness is "alive and well"
the dead didnt rise
the jewish people havent experienced eternal joy
the nations havent recognized their wrongs against israel
the world didnt turn to jews
ruined cities of israel havent been restored
weapons of war havent been destroyed
The messianic age did NOT happen which was the main prophecy. Or so i have heard

You speak only based upon your own carnal biases and precepts as do many others when it comes to their carnal precepts of what has and has not been filled prophetically. God is a spirit and that passes right over the heads of non believers and those who lack faith. That is just the way it is so you and many others remain blind, deaf and dumb. That doesn't mean it will always be that away but for the moment that is where you are.

That has nothing to do with jesus not being the messiah.

Messiah, aka messenger, aka a being who stepped out from the place humans know or think they know as a heavenly location somewhere in the universe and manifested into being a normal everyday human yet full of the spirit of God. Does that cover your expectations of the Messiah?

Moshiac means annointed, a sheliach is a messenger.

So you want to play whose words are better when it is the Spirit that anoints and brings forth chodesh? I can assure you it is not some human with their own carnal precepts. Split hairs with someone else as it doesn't fly with me OMNI judges the hearts and knows the minds and thoughts. He is after all the one who made the pattern for humans could be individuals that would in time be called a Son of God. It all comes with that Jesus package but evidently you are still in denial so you haven't gotten there yet.

 

[sealybobo]

Say what? That's no sacrifice at all.

If you told me I would be a king in paradise after I killed myself guess what I would do? I'd gladly kill myself. So Jesus didn't sacrifice anything really.

Sorry but this story of him killing himself for me/us doesn't make any sense at all.

“Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.”

You have confused superstitious church dogma with what is actually written.

Why don't you try and read it for yourself and see if you can come up with something more rational...

Have you read the koran and book of mormons yet?

yes.

What did you get out of them?

A better understanding than I had before I read them...

If my only knowledge of Christianity was from exposure to greek orthodox beliefs and practices I would be making an ass out of myself right along with you.

Yea, we were the ones to translate the Bible from Hebrew to Greek and then told you. Now you’re telling us what it says? That’s some funny shit.

I’ve seen them all. They’re all ridiculous. What’s your sect?

 

[hobelim]

Some people claim that the messiah was supposed to rebuild the Temple based on a stupid interpretation of a prophecy that states that the messiah will restore the "sanctuary of God" which is about the promised "divine providence" for the righteous application of the law, not a gilded slaughterhouse made by human hands....

It all boils down to the fact that irrational messianic expectations went unfulfilled by Jesus who appeared during a time when the Temple was already standing restored, making his messianic claims seem like a mental illness.

Consequently, the way in which he did fulfill the prophecy about restoring the sanctuary of God still eludes them.

Of course...in a manner in which only you know of.

Indeed there was a time when I was the only person on earth who did, but that was a very long time ago....

Understanding the teachings of Jesus comes easier to those who already profess a belief in him.....

It really isn't that difficult. Sanctuary of God = Divine Providence.

Jesus restored the sanctuary of God in the midst of the people by teaching and demonstrating the only right way to interpret and conform to the divine commands that fulfills the promise of eternal life.

Until you begin to actually conform to the law in the way that Jesus taught and refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, you will not begin to recover from the sleep of the dead.

You’re not nearly as entertaining as Buffy, The Vampire Slayer.

Maybe so but you are way more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

Don't take it too hard if you continue to fail to understand whats going on.

It is written that at the resurrection the dead in Christ will be the first to rise...

So while you are patiently waiting for someone to come and build a temple, all animals to become herbivores, war to end and and death to cease, droves of people from all religions and walks of life are entering the kingdom of God before you..

Is that why Islam and Hinduism are out growing Christianity?

I didn't say they were becoming Christian. I said they were entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

Sheesh. If your study of the Torah is as sloppy as this is it any wonder why you are so confused?

 

[hobelim]

You have confused superstitious church dogma with what is actually written.

Why don't you try and read it for yourself and see if you can come up with something more rational...

Have you read the koran and book of mormons yet?

yes.

What did you get out of them?

A better understanding than I had before I read them...

If my only knowledge of Christianity was from exposure to greek orthodox beliefs and practices I would be making an ass out of myself right along with you.

Yea, we were the ones to translate the Bible from Hebrew to Greek and then told you. Now you’re telling us what it says? That’s some funny shit.

I’ve seen them all. They’re all ridiculous. What’s your sect?

Sure superstitious greeks conjured religious doctrines based on Jewish writings that they could never comprehend.

Thanks a lot.

And I do not belong to any sect of any religion... Have you forgotten?

 

[sealybobo]

Say what? That's no sacrifice at all.

If you told me I would be a king in paradise after I killed myself guess what I would do? I'd gladly kill myself. So Jesus didn't sacrifice anything really.

Sorry but this story of him killing himself for me/us doesn't make any sense at all.

“Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.”

You have confused superstitious church dogma with what is actually written.

Why don't you try and read it for yourself and see if you can come up with something more rational...

Have you read the koran and book of mormons yet?

yes.

What did you get out of them?

A better understanding than I had before I read them...

If my only knowledge of Christianity was from exposure to greek orthodox beliefs and practices I would be making an ass out of myself right along with you.

Isn’t it interesting that as stupid as the Greek Orthodox Christian faith is, they still believe it. Same with every other dumb sect except yours.

I was talking to a fellow agnostic the other day and he kept asking his wife what was going on. She had no clue.

Fact is most Christians are gullible sheep. The ones like you who study it intensely and still believe? That’s a whole other level of stupid

 

[sealybobo]

Have you read the koran and book of mormons yet?

yes.

What did you get out of them?

A better understanding than I had before I read them...

If my only knowledge of Christianity was from exposure to greek orthodox beliefs and practices I would be making an ass out of myself right along with you.

Yea, we were the ones to translate the Bible from Hebrew to Greek and then told you. Now you’re telling us what it says? That’s some funny shit.

I’ve seen them all. They’re all ridiculous. What’s your sect?

Sure superstitious greeks conjured religious doctrines based on Jewish writings that they could never comprehend.

Thanks a lot.

And I do not belong to any sect of any religion... Have you forgotten?

You too? I’m glad to see the religion is starting to become undefendable

 

[hobelim]

You have confused superstitious church dogma with what is actually written.

Why don't you try and read it for yourself and see if you can come up with something more rational...

Have you read the koran and book of mormons yet?

yes.

What did you get out of them?

A better understanding than I had before I read them...

If my only knowledge of Christianity was from exposure to greek orthodox beliefs and practices I would be making an ass out of myself right along with you.

Isn’t it interesting that as stupid as the Greek Orthodox Christian faith is, they still believe it. Same with every other dumb sect except yours.

I was talking to a fellow agnostic the other day and he kept asking his wife what was going on. She had no clue.

Fact is most Christians are gullible sheep. The ones like you who study it intensely and still believe? That’s a whole other level of stupid

lol...


Apparently, you have no idea about what I believe even though I have spelled it out for you.

Talk about stupid, stupid. lol.

 

[hobelim]

yes.

What did you get out of them?

A better understanding than I had before I read them...

If my only knowledge of Christianity was from exposure to greek orthodox beliefs and practices I would be making an ass out of myself right along with you.

Yea, we were the ones to translate the Bible from Hebrew to Greek and then told you. Now you’re telling us what it says? That’s some funny shit.

I’ve seen them all. They’re all ridiculous. What’s your sect?

Sure superstitious greeks conjured religious doctrines based on Jewish writings that they could never comprehend.

Thanks a lot.

And I do not belong to any sect of any religion... Have you forgotten?

You too? I’m glad to see the religion is starting to become undefendable

Only the wrong way to understand scripture cannot be defended honesty or ethically.

What I have revealed is irrefutable.

Go ahead and try...

Pssst! To avoid looking stupid, you should probably try to figure out what I have revealed first...

 

[ding]

Some people claim that the messiah was supposed to rebuild the Temple based on a stupid interpretation of a prophecy that states that the messiah will restore the "sanctuary of God" which is about the promised "divine providence" for the righteous application of the law, not a gilded slaughterhouse made by human hands....

It all boils down to the fact that irrational messianic expectations went unfulfilled by Jesus who appeared during a time when the Temple was already standing restored, making his messianic claims seem like a mental illness.

Consequently, the way in which he did fulfill the prophecy about restoring the sanctuary of God still eludes them.

Of course...in a manner in which only you know of.

Indeed there was a time when I was the only person on earth who did, but that was a very long time ago....

Understanding the teachings of Jesus comes easier to those who already profess a belief in him.....

It really isn't that difficult. Sanctuary of God = Divine Providence.

Jesus restored the sanctuary of God in the midst of the people by teaching and demonstrating the only right way to interpret and conform to the divine commands that fulfills the promise of eternal life.

Until you begin to actually conform to the law in the way that Jesus taught and refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, you will not begin to recover from the sleep of the dead.

You’re not nearly as entertaining as Buffy, The Vampire Slayer.

Maybe so but you are way more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

Don't take it too hard if you continue to fail to understand whats going on.

It is written that at the resurrection the dead in Christ will be the first to rise...

So while you are patiently waiting for someone to come and build a temple, all animals to become herbivores, war to end and and death to cease, droves of people from all religions and walks of life are entering the kingdom of God before you..

Is that why Islam and Hinduism are out growing Christianity?

Do you think this is a popularity contest?

Based on your logic you should be an atheist.

 

[sealybobo]

What did you get out of them?

A better understanding than I had before I read them...

If my only knowledge of Christianity was from exposure to greek orthodox beliefs and practices I would be making an ass out of myself right along with you.

Yea, we were the ones to translate the Bible from Hebrew to Greek and then told you. Now you’re telling us what it says? That’s some funny shit.

I’ve seen them all. They’re all ridiculous. What’s your sect?

Sure superstitious greeks conjured religious doctrines based on Jewish writings that they could never comprehend.

Thanks a lot.

And I do not belong to any sect of any religion... Have you forgotten?

You too? I’m glad to see the religion is starting to become undefendable

Only the wrong way to understand scripture cannot be defended honesty or ethically.

What I have revealed is irrefutable.

Go ahead and try...

Pssst! To avoid looking stupid, you should probably try to figure out what I have revealed first...

I have. Nothing. You've revealed nothing.

 

[ding]

I am in THE MOOOD >>>>>.....about which your know, zero.

Ding seems clueless when it comes to his Scripture.

I'll let you know when the opinion of a blind and self righteous Jew matters to me, brother.

TN just posted what you asked for and you respond with mental illness.

No. He didn't. He posted a list of the prophecies and asked me to prove the ones he did fulfill.

Address each enumerated Jesus failure.

I haven't seen one.

The only failure I have seen is you fighting the battle for an atheist.

You see TN here right now? No. He is laughing at the Jewish dupe who is fighting his battle.

Seriously, he ninja'd you good.

 

[sealybobo]

Of course...in a manner in which only you know of.

Indeed there was a time when I was the only person on earth who did, but that was a very long time ago....

Understanding the teachings of Jesus comes easier to those who already profess a belief in him.....

It really isn't that difficult. Sanctuary of God = Divine Providence.

Jesus restored the sanctuary of God in the midst of the people by teaching and demonstrating the only right way to interpret and conform to the divine commands that fulfills the promise of eternal life.

Until you begin to actually conform to the law in the way that Jesus taught and refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, you will not begin to recover from the sleep of the dead.

You’re not nearly as entertaining as Buffy, The Vampire Slayer.

Maybe so but you are way more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

Don't take it too hard if you continue to fail to understand whats going on.

It is written that at the resurrection the dead in Christ will be the first to rise...

So while you are patiently waiting for someone to come and build a temple, all animals to become herbivores, war to end and and death to cease, droves of people from all religions and walks of life are entering the kingdom of God before you..

Is that why Islam and Hinduism are out growing Christianity?

Do you think this is a popularity contest?

Based on your logic you should be an atheist.

Well that is an argument I believe you and Boss have made. You say since so many believe it must be true. My dad doesn't even get it that it's not a good thing that muslims believe what muslims do and mormons believe what mormons do and jews believe what jews do. All he cares is that they all believe in something. It doesn't matter to him that none of their stories add up and are all different. MADE UP.