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You seem like a bright guy, it puzzles me that you can't understand the logic. It's like metal detectors in the airport... A simple preventative measure to limit access the legal sale of weapons to risky individuals. Yes criminals can still get guns in the black market... some will and some won't. Not everybody is connected with illegal arms dealers...How hard is it? You get a back ground check and buy a gun. My buddy owns a gun shop in California and can't keep his shelves stocked.I live in California, don't really subscribe to a political party but my views are mostly liberal with a touch of conservatism when it comes to government spending... I own 14 guns and don't have a problem with most the gun control measures that have been proposed. Got no need for semi auto assault riffles or high capacity mags. Wouldn't be thrilled about registration or bg checking a private sale but I'm not going to cry about it either.There is no way that the only gun owners in this country are republicans. There is just to many guns being sold right now for that to be true so I wonder how many democrats feel comfortable with strict gun laws? Some of these laws are so tough that it makes it impossible to even buy one in some states (California). Do you feel comfortable with that and/or do you feel comfortable with a complete gun ban that many other 'liberals' want. I myself own a lot of guns and was able to get them with little ease (background check). I really didn't like the background check but it appears that most polls seem to think this is OK. I'm wondering how many of you secretly wish you didn't have to go through the hassle of a background check?
The NRA which I'm a member of is pretty full of shit with their propaganda, I get the letters and laugh most the time. The Left is just as full of shit with their propaganda and they are a bit misguided with their control efforts in my opinion.
You are sadly naïve. You have yours so you aren't concerned with how hard it is for anyone else. Naïve and apathetic.
im definitely against registration
as for a universal background check
im not really for that either
however i do believe in responsible gun ownership to include not selling a bad guy a gun
in a sale like that the bad guy trying to buy the gun is already breaking the law
The only reason for a universal background check is to get universal gun registraton......universal background checks cannot be confirmed without registration of guns....that is why the anti gunners are pushing for it so hard.....it does nothing to stop crime or mass shooters...so why are they pushing it? Registration.
The federal government can never be trusted ever, so any type of registration is absolutely without doubt unacceptable. More laws do not mean less crime, just a waste of time and money is all. Enforced current laws and call it good.You seem like a bright guy, it puzzles me that you can't understand the logic. It's like metal detectors in the airport... A simple preventative measure to limit access the legal sale of weapons to risky individuals. Yes criminals can still get guns in the black market... some will and some won't. Not everybody is connected with illegal arms dealers...How hard is it? You get a back ground check and buy a gun. My buddy owns a gun shop in California and can't keep his shelves stocked.I live in California, don't really subscribe to a political party but my views are mostly liberal with a touch of conservatism when it comes to government spending... I own 14 guns and don't have a problem with most the gun control measures that have been proposed. Got no need for semi auto assault riffles or high capacity mags. Wouldn't be thrilled about registration or bg checking a private sale but I'm not going to cry about it either.
The NRA which I'm a member of is pretty full of shit with their propaganda, I get the letters and laugh most the time. The Left is just as full of shit with their propaganda and they are a bit misguided with their control efforts in my opinion.
You are sadly naïve. You have yours so you aren't concerned with how hard it is for anyone else. Naïve and apathetic.
im definitely against registration
as for a universal background check
im not really for that either
however i do believe in responsible gun ownership to include not selling a bad guy a gun
in a sale like that the bad guy trying to buy the gun is already breaking the law
The only reason for a universal background check is to get universal gun registraton......universal background checks cannot be confirmed without registration of guns....that is why the anti gunners are pushing for it so hard.....it does nothing to stop crime or mass shooters...so why are they pushing it? Registration.
You seem like a bright guy, it puzzles me that you can't understand the logic. It's like metal detectors in the airport... A simple preventative measure to limit access the legal sale of weapons to risky individuals. Yes criminals can still get guns in the black market... some will and some won't. Not everybody is connected with illegal arms dealers...How hard is it? You get a back ground check and buy a gun. My buddy owns a gun shop in California and can't keep his shelves stocked.I live in California, don't really subscribe to a political party but my views are mostly liberal with a touch of conservatism when it comes to government spending... I own 14 guns and don't have a problem with most the gun control measures that have been proposed. Got no need for semi auto assault riffles or high capacity mags. Wouldn't be thrilled about registration or bg checking a private sale but I'm not going to cry about it either.
The NRA which I'm a member of is pretty full of shit with their propaganda, I get the letters and laugh most the time. The Left is just as full of shit with their propaganda and they are a bit misguided with their control efforts in my opinion.
You are sadly naïve. You have yours so you aren't concerned with how hard it is for anyone else. Naïve and apathetic.
im definitely against registration
as for a universal background check
im not really for that either
however i do believe in responsible gun ownership to include not selling a bad guy a gun
in a sale like that the bad guy trying to buy the gun is already breaking the law
The only reason for a universal background check is to get universal gun registraton......universal background checks cannot be confirmed without registration of guns....that is why the anti gunners are pushing for it so hard.....it does nothing to stop crime or mass shooters...so why are they pushing it? Registration.
You seem like a bright guy, it puzzles me that you can't understand the logic. It's like metal detectors in the airport... A simple preventative measure to limit access the legal sale of weapons to risky individuals. Yes criminals can still get guns in the black market... some will and some won't. Not everybody is connected with illegal arms dealers...How hard is it? You get a back ground check and buy a gun. My buddy owns a gun shop in California and can't keep his shelves stocked.I live in California, don't really subscribe to a political party but my views are mostly liberal with a touch of conservatism when it comes to government spending... I own 14 guns and don't have a problem with most the gun control measures that have been proposed. Got no need for semi auto assault riffles or high capacity mags. Wouldn't be thrilled about registration or bg checking a private sale but I'm not going to cry about it either.
The NRA which I'm a member of is pretty full of shit with their propaganda, I get the letters and laugh most the time. The Left is just as full of shit with their propaganda and they are a bit misguided with their control efforts in my opinion.
You are sadly naïve. You have yours so you aren't concerned with how hard it is for anyone else. Naïve and apathetic.
im definitely against registration
as for a universal background check
im not really for that either
however i do believe in responsible gun ownership to include not selling a bad guy a gun
in a sale like that the bad guy trying to buy the gun is already breaking the law
The only reason for a universal background check is to get universal gun registraton......universal background checks cannot be confirmed without registration of guns....that is why the anti gunners are pushing for it so hard.....it does nothing to stop crime or mass shooters...so why are they pushing it? Registration.
The progressives have no answer, because their so called solution has nothing to do with "guns" it's all about control - it's control freak thing we would not understand...You seem like a bright guy, it puzzles me that you can't understand the logic. It's like metal detectors in the airport... A simple preventative measure to limit access the legal sale of weapons to risky individuals. Yes criminals can still get guns in the black market... some will and some won't. Not everybody is connected with illegal arms dealers...How hard is it? You get a back ground check and buy a gun. My buddy owns a gun shop in California and can't keep his shelves stocked.You are sadly naïve. You have yours so you aren't concerned with how hard it is for anyone else. Naïve and apathetic.
im definitely against registration
as for a universal background check
im not really for that either
however i do believe in responsible gun ownership to include not selling a bad guy a gun
in a sale like that the bad guy trying to buy the gun is already breaking the law
The only reason for a universal background check is to get universal gun registraton......universal background checks cannot be confirmed without registration of guns....that is why the anti gunners are pushing for it so hard.....it does nothing to stop crime or mass shooters...so why are they pushing it? Registration.
Okay....lets go with this.....If I said all we need to do is sprinkle pixie dust in the woods at midnight and that would reduce gun violence....you would be right to ask me exactly how this would accomplish that..right?
Please explain how current background checks keep criminals from getting guns.
Please explain how current background checks stop mass shooters from getting guns.
Your side has yet to explain that as criminals and mass shooters keep getting guns.
Then, please explain how universal background checks would keep criminals and mass shooters from getting guns.
Then explain how universal background checks work if we don't have universal gun registration.
I am happy to discuss each point.
It isn't a matter of some will, some won't ...the primary way criminals get guns is people with clean records buying the guns for them.....they are often baby mommas, mothers, grandmothers.....or they pay some idiot to buy the guns....I have linked to the stories in other threads.......
Prosecutors do not like to take a baby momma to court on a straw purchase charge...because it takes time, resources and the chance of putting that baby momma in jail for a few years is not likely to happen....they will state the gang banger baby daddy threatened them if they didn't do it.....
The next way criminals get guns...they steal them....criminals are now stealing construction vehicles and ramming gun stores...going through the walls or barred doors and grabbing handfuls of guns......
Gun shows are not the primary source for guns.......too many cops trolling for illegal buyers.......actual criminals prefer to buy their guns from sources they know, friends and families...i.e. straw buyers......
Mass shooters....they can pass any background check you want....the Orlando night club shooter passed 3 background checks...one he passed was for a security job at a security company....then 10 months of undercover FBI surveilllance, and 3 interviews with trained FBI interrogators...and even undercover operatives talking to him.........
And he still passed the background checks to buy his guns...then he murdered those people with those guns....
The Santa Barbara shooter...passed background checks 3 times.....
The San Bernadino shooters...she passed a background check to become the wife.....and they both passed background checks for their guns...and the rifle...the guy who bought them for them.....passed background checks for those....
The truth is........the only reason anti gun activists want universal background checks is so they can get gun registration......that is the only reason...since I have just shown you that current background checks are easily gotten around by criminals and mass shooters....and universal background checks can be gotten around the exact same ways.....
These are not NRA talking points...these are not talking points in any way....these are the facts that address why background checks only effect normal gun owners.......I have pointed this out with actual detail....
Please explain how I am wrong.
How hard is it? You get a back ground check and buy a gun. My buddy owns a gun shop in California and can't keep his shelves stocked.I live in California, don't really subscribe to a political party but my views are mostly liberal with a touch of conservatism when it comes to government spending... I own 14 guns and don't have a problem with most the gun control measures that have been proposed. Got no need for semi auto assault riffles or high capacity mags. Wouldn't be thrilled about registration or bg checking a private sale but I'm not going to cry about it either.There is no way that the only gun owners in this country are republicans. There is just to many guns being sold right now for that to be true so I wonder how many democrats feel comfortable with strict gun laws? Some of these laws are so tough that it makes it impossible to even buy one in some states (California). Do you feel comfortable with that and/or do you feel comfortable with a complete gun ban that many other 'liberals' want. I myself own a lot of guns and was able to get them with little ease (background check). I really didn't like the background check but it appears that most polls seem to think this is OK. I'm wondering how many of you secretly wish you didn't have to go through the hassle of a background check?
The NRA which I'm a member of is pretty full of shit with their propaganda, I get the letters and laugh most the time. The Left is just as full of shit with their propaganda and they are a bit misguided with their control efforts in my opinion.
You are sadly naïve. You have yours so you aren't concerned with how hard it is for anyone else. Naïve and apathetic.
That's all part of the propaganda... They are in your head. The NRA should be working to make guns safer and owners more educated and prepared. It should be a collaboration with government, not a battle. There is not a serious movement to ban all guns, most people just want to be as safe as possible when dealing with deadly weaponsThe simple implication embedded in most of their messages that the evil Left is trying to take away our right to own guns and abolish the second amendment. Its completely overblownHonest answer is I inherited my guns and wanted to do the responsible thing, I like the insurance perks from the NRA but am having a hard time with the propaganda that I mentioned. While I appreciate the fight for preserving the second amendment, I dont like the distortion and manipulation of the facts. I'm most likely going to cancel my membershipThe NRA which I'm a member of is pretty full of shit with their propaganda
then why do you fund them by being a member
What distortion of the facts?......please list them.....
1. It isn't overblown one iota.
2. Even if they weren't, you have to fight for every right you have constantly. You give an inch and they take a mile. Make ti tough for the tyrants, and they are forced to compromise.
One of my gay friends, who used to go to the Pulse Nightclub, asked me to teach him how to shoot and advise him on what gun to buy. I have taken him out to the range twice now and he loves it. I have absolutely no doubt that he will be voting for Hillary in the next election. He's gay, he has been brainwashed into thinking that the GOP hates gays so he must vote Democrat. I never speak about politics in social gatherings so we don't talk about it except that I have told him that if he wants to buy a gun, he needs to do it before the election.
You need to start talking politics in social gatherings....they need to hear the other side......their professors in college, the movies and t.v. They arch and the news they get reinforce left wing crap...they need to hear your side......no setting is off limits to the left...that is why they are winning.....
One of my gay friends, who used to go to the Pulse Nightclub, asked me to teach him how to shoot and advise him on what gun to buy. I have taken him out to the range twice now and he loves it. I have absolutely no doubt that he will be voting for Hillary in the next election. He's gay, he has been brainwashed into thinking that the GOP hates gays so he must vote Democrat. I never speak about politics in social gatherings so we don't talk about it except that I have told him that if he wants to buy a gun, he needs to do it before the election.
You need to start talking politics in social gatherings....they need to hear the other side......their professors in college, the movies and t.v. They arch and the news they get reinforce left wing crap...they need to hear your side......no setting is off limits to the left...that is why they are winning.....
Lol, that's the quickest way to find yourself alone. I do all of my political fighting on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. They know how I feel and my opinions. No need to ruin social events.
The progressives have no answer, because their so called solution has nothing to do with "guns" it's all about control - it's control freak thing we would not understand...You seem like a bright guy, it puzzles me that you can't understand the logic. It's like metal detectors in the airport... A simple preventative measure to limit access the legal sale of weapons to risky individuals. Yes criminals can still get guns in the black market... some will and some won't. Not everybody is connected with illegal arms dealers...How hard is it? You get a back ground check and buy a gun. My buddy owns a gun shop in California and can't keep his shelves stocked.
im definitely against registration
as for a universal background check
im not really for that either
however i do believe in responsible gun ownership to include not selling a bad guy a gun
in a sale like that the bad guy trying to buy the gun is already breaking the law
The only reason for a universal background check is to get universal gun registraton......universal background checks cannot be confirmed without registration of guns....that is why the anti gunners are pushing for it so hard.....it does nothing to stop crime or mass shooters...so why are they pushing it? Registration.
Okay....lets go with this.....If I said all we need to do is sprinkle pixie dust in the woods at midnight and that would reduce gun violence....you would be right to ask me exactly how this would accomplish that..right?
Please explain how current background checks keep criminals from getting guns.
Please explain how current background checks stop mass shooters from getting guns.
Your side has yet to explain that as criminals and mass shooters keep getting guns.
Then, please explain how universal background checks would keep criminals and mass shooters from getting guns.
Then explain how universal background checks work if we don't have universal gun registration.
I am happy to discuss each point.
It isn't a matter of some will, some won't ...the primary way criminals get guns is people with clean records buying the guns for them.....they are often baby mommas, mothers, grandmothers.....or they pay some idiot to buy the guns....I have linked to the stories in other threads.......
Prosecutors do not like to take a baby momma to court on a straw purchase charge...because it takes time, resources and the chance of putting that baby momma in jail for a few years is not likely to happen....they will state the gang banger baby daddy threatened them if they didn't do it.....
The next way criminals get guns...they steal them....criminals are now stealing construction vehicles and ramming gun stores...going through the walls or barred doors and grabbing handfuls of guns......
Gun shows are not the primary source for guns.......too many cops trolling for illegal buyers.......actual criminals prefer to buy their guns from sources they know, friends and families...i.e. straw buyers......
Mass shooters....they can pass any background check you want....the Orlando night club shooter passed 3 background checks...one he passed was for a security job at a security company....then 10 months of undercover FBI surveilllance, and 3 interviews with trained FBI interrogators...and even undercover operatives talking to him.........
And he still passed the background checks to buy his guns...then he murdered those people with those guns....
The Santa Barbara shooter...passed background checks 3 times.....
The San Bernadino shooters...she passed a background check to become the wife.....and they both passed background checks for their guns...and the rifle...the guy who bought them for them.....passed background checks for those....
The truth is........the only reason anti gun activists want universal background checks is so they can get gun registration......that is the only reason...since I have just shown you that current background checks are easily gotten around by criminals and mass shooters....and universal background checks can be gotten around the exact same ways.....
These are not NRA talking points...these are not talking points in any way....these are the facts that address why background checks only effect normal gun owners.......I have pointed this out with actual detail....
Please explain how I am wrong.
One of my gay friends, who used to go to the Pulse Nightclub, asked me to teach him how to shoot and advise him on what gun to buy. I have taken him out to the range twice now and he loves it. I have absolutely no doubt that he will be voting for Hillary in the next election. He's gay, he has been brainwashed into thinking that the GOP hates gays so he must vote Democrat. I never speak about politics in social gatherings so we don't talk about it except that I have told him that if he wants to buy a gun, he needs to do it before the election.
You need to start talking politics in social gatherings....they need to hear the other side......their professors in college, the movies and t.v. They arch and the news they get reinforce left wing crap...they need to hear your side......no setting is off limits to the left...that is why they are winning.....
Lol, that's the quickest way to find yourself alone. I do all of my political fighting on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. They know how I feel and my opinions. No need to ruin social events.
Do the left wingers you know do the same?
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no there is much talk coming from the left on banning certain firearms
replacing SC judges
plus there has already been confiscations in this country
In addition to the Left's hateful war on the NRA, which is a grassroots Constitutional rights protection lobby, and the largest gun safety organization in the world.
In addition they filthy Libtards have blatantly said that gun owners are potential terrorists, which is one of the most stupid things that ever spewed out of the mouths of the Moon Bats.
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and the mental health system won't lock up the dangerously mentally ill
hell they wont even get them on the no sale background check
A couple of months ago the Republicans introduced a bill that would have significantly strengthened the reporting of mental health problems into the NICS system in addition to providing more funding for the background check system but the stupid Democrats voted it down.
So when these dumbass Moon Bats (who elect Democrats) tell you they are in favor of keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill they are lying to you.
Yes banning weapons and tools that facilitate mass destruction in small amounts at time is completely different than banning all guns. It why citizens are driving armed tanks to work and protecting their houses with land mines.It's not real. They are instilling fear and playing y'all like puppets.The simple implication embedded in most of their messages that the evil Left is trying to take away our right to own guns and abolish the second amendment. Its completely overblownWhat distortion of the facts?......please list them.....
i dont find that over blown at all
no there is much talk coming from the left on banning certain firearms
replacing SC judges
plus there has already been confiscations in this country
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yeah hillary was on the tube spreading her anti gun talk again this morning
she assuredly is a gun grabber
Do you support that background check?With no control measures a "bad guy" can walk into a store and buy a gun like its a pack of cigarettes... Is that what you promote?How hard is it? You get a back ground check and buy a gun. My buddy owns a gun shop in California and can't keep his shelves stocked.You are sadly naïve. You have yours so you aren't concerned with how hard it is for anyone else. Naïve and apathetic.
im definitely against registration
as for a universal background check
im not really for that either
however i do believe in responsible gun ownership to include not selling a bad guy a gun
in a sale like that the bad guy trying to buy the gun is already breaking the law
did you misunderstand what i said
or are you intentionally distorting my post seriously
currently we do not have a universal background check
firearm "stores" are required to conduct a check
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yeah hillary was on the tube spreading her anti gun talk again this morning
she assuredly is a gun grabber
She is a vile asshole, isn't she?
She is the epitome of the scumbag Liberals.
You seem like a bright guy, it puzzles me that you can't understand the logic. It's like metal detectors in the airport... A simple preventative measure to limit access the legal sale of weapons to risky individuals. Yes criminals can still get guns in the black market... some will and some won't. Not everybody is connected with illegal arms dealers...[/QUOTEHow hard is it? You get a back ground check and buy a gun. My buddy owns a gun shop in California and can't keep his shelves stocked.I live in California, don't really subscribe to a political party but my views are mostly liberal with a touch of conservatism when it comes to government spending... I own 14 guns and don't have a problem with most the gun control measures that have been proposed. Got no need for semi auto assault riffles or high capacity mags. Wouldn't be thrilled about registration or bg checking a private sale but I'm not going to cry about it either.
The NRA which I'm a member of is pretty full of shit with their propaganda, I get the letters and laugh most the time. The Left is just as full of shit with their propaganda and they are a bit misguided with their control efforts in my opinion.
You are sadly naïve. You have yours so you aren't concerned with how hard it is for anyone else. Naïve and apathetic.
im definitely against registration
as for a universal background check
im not really for that either
however i do believe in responsible gun ownership to include not selling a bad guy a gun
in a sale like that the bad guy trying to buy the gun is already breaking the law
The only reason for a universal background check is to get universal gun registraton......universal background checks cannot be confirmed without registration of guns....that is why the anti gunners are pushing for it so hard.....it does nothing to stop crime or mass shooters...so why are they pushing it? Registration.
A simple preventative measure to limit access the legal sale of weapons
why would you want to limit sales of legal firearms
thought you are after the bad guys
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what the hell do you mean tools that facilitate mass destruction
do pressure cookers fall into that group
how about trucks
axes
There is no way that the only gun owners in this country are republicans. There is just to many guns being sold right now for that to be true so I wonder how many democrats feel comfortable with strict gun laws? Some of these laws are so tough that it makes it impossible to even buy one in some states (California). Do you feel comfortable with that and/or do you feel comfortable with a complete gun ban that many other 'liberals' want. I myself own a lot of guns and was able to get them with little ease (background check). I really didn't like the background check but it appears that most polls seem to think this is OK. I'm wondering how many of you secretly wish you didn't have to go through the hassle of a background check?
The polls on universal background checks are useless...the people responding are uninformed on what universal background checks are for, and why the anti gunners are pushing them so hard.....,
lol, a typical RW denialist.
So....tell me...what does a universal background check do that will stop a criminal from getting a gun? What will they do that stops a mass shooter from getting a gun? How will universal background checks work without gun registration? Will handing you gun to your friend on the range now be a felony if you don't get a background check on the transfer of that gun?
Can you friends or relatives take your guns into their home and keep them while you are on vacation, and return them when you get back without two background checks on the transfers?
So liars polling the uninformed show nothing real about the issue.
I've asked Slade what type of background check was going to be done on the person that stole one of my guns. He's yet to provide an answer. He seems to not understand that the only ones affected by what he supports aren't the ones we need to worry about and those that are won't be subjected to those laws no matter how many are passed. Criminals don't care about what the law says or how many laws say it. That's why they're criminals.
Your guns were not secured and were stolen. Sounds to me like you shouldn't be able to own guns since you are contributing to the criminals aquisition of illegal weapons.
