How Much Prison Time Should You Get For Having An Abortion?

[PoliticalChic]

(A) Terminating a heartbeat is a woman's choice
(B) Absence of healthcare in not a woman's choice

Appropriately because of the above Mr Trump eliminated the individual mandate under ACA

-Geaux

And?

And what? If you can be more specific Jake, maybe I can educate you further

-Geaux

So you double down on a false equivalency based on two disparate situations. OK.

So the choice for women to 'choose' what they do with their bodies has restrictions? If so, a different word needs used when justifying abortions

-Geaux

The core problem lies with what they are doing to another persons body. Killing it.

And don't forget their hobby.....harvesting organs of those aborted babies.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

And yet they champion slaughter of a developing child. . . chase the tail or accept the truth.

According to the law it's a baby.

If a man assaults a woman and she has a miscarriage.

No matter what stage her pregnancy was in. He will be charged with murder, and if convicted, will go to prison. ....

The right to abortion of convenience wades deeply into hypocrisy in every strata of human existence.

Biological. Familial. Philosophical. Sociological. Ethical, etc.

The sole balance it checks among boxes defining the human condition is self veneration over all--most poignantly: the value of convenience over existence of another life; deification of vanity as reasoning for murder.

Almost every single abortion is for 'convenience.'


The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf


The overwhelming basis used for killing the unborn is convenience.

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.




The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.” In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.” http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

c. We reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.


On-demand abortion is antithetical to the ideas and ideals upon which America was built.

Based on “Voices of the Damned,” found in “Reinventing the Right,” by Robert Wheeler, pp. 89-99.

________________________________________________________________________


In just 12% of the cases were there concerns for the mother’s health; 1% for rape; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Bull shit. A person has a sovereign right to their own body. The "convenience" argument belies this fact. It also conveys some idea that a perfect stranger knows why another person does something, which is totally ridiculous.

What about the sovereign right of the developing child to its own body? You want absolute freedom over self, yet deny the same to the unborn. Blame basic human biology. A woman's biological species imperative is to carry and defend the unborn child until birth at least in order to fulfill the human cycle of life. No man or human law determined that. It is about the most important human responsibility at the very least vis a vis continuance of homo sapiens on the planet. If anything the laws allowing abortion are the only argument you can use to refute biological responsibility.

That's why they vote for this....
"I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Obama



.....a supporter of infanticide.

I think its evil to ever have an abortion because you were a teen mom or something -- Obama is despicable for saying this -- I am sure his two daughters had plenty of abortions -- he probably had them impregnated on purpose, just to have abortions and celebrate it

 

[night_son]

And?

And what? If you can be more specific Jake, maybe I can educate you further

-Geaux

So you double down on a false equivalency based on two disparate situations. OK.

So the choice for women to 'choose' what they do with their bodies has restrictions? If so, a different word needs used when justifying abortions

-Geaux

The core problem lies with what they are doing to another persons body. Killing it.

And don't forget their hobby.....harvesting organs of those aborted babies.

To think we work so hard to dehumanize the unborn in the name of defying what is natural and irrefutably human: responsibility to carry the child. So what do you want then? To escape being human?

 

[Geaux4it]

Ironic?

-Geaux

Q- What are fetal homicide laws?

A- Some other states do not consider the killing of a fetus to be homicide until thefetus has reached quickening or viability. Fetal homicide laws, as well as ordinarymurder statutes, are increasingly used to prosecute pregnant women accused of intentionally or recklessly causing miscarriages or stillbirths.

 

[Wry Catcher]

R v. W is the law and has been for the past 4+ decades. Efforts by the Right to Life Crowd and the Republican Party's continuing use of R v. W as a wedge issue is an example of false pathos; since the R's, when in control of the White House and The Congress, have never passed a bill to outlaw abortion, by sending a Constitutional Amendment to the States for Ratification, we can be reasonably sure they are more concerned with their election, than any fetus.

Sadly abortoin rates almost always go up under Repub admins as they are stupid and cut off birth control funding as well. The best way to stop abortion is to have less pregnancies.

It’s panic buying. Mothers running out to get one while they can for fear of them becoming illegal...

No, it is an increase in pregnancies due to a decrease in the availability of birth control

Last time I checked, birth control was not expensive. Can't liberals do anything without a government subsidy?

Personally I would be willing to have the Govt give it all way for free if it cut down the number of abortions, to me the child's life is more important than some political ideology. But I know for some ideology rules their every move so I would not expect you to understand

Rape, incest and domestic violence need to be considered before any simple suggestion to limit abortions are proffered. Blaming Democrats or liberals is absurd, since common sense suggestions are opposed by social conservatives and supported by those who pander to them.

Let's begin a debate on common sense, and leave the emotional argument out of it.

Establish age appropriate Human Sexuality in the Public Schools, as part of a comprehensive curriculum on Health. Doing so in an honest and upfront way will inform students of the dangers of unprotected sexual activity, STD's, Pregnancy, a Kiss and Tell Social Media and for the girls, the fact that a stiff penis has no conscience.

 

[JakeStarkey]

To think the women of America are going to punish the anti-female right.

 

[Sunni Man]

No one here has ever been able to show that a fetus is a human being in the eyes of the law.

Really??

Kick a 3 month pregnant woman in the stomach, and if she has a miscarriage. You with be charged with killing an unborn baby.

I've never heard of a man being charged for killing a fetus?

Have you Jake?? ...

 

[night_son]

To think the women of America are going to punish the anti-female right.

Are you arguing against anti-female or anti-human biology? Incubate all conceived humans in a synthetic womb? Absolute freedom from biological responsibility? The escape you're seeking?

 

[Sunni Man]

If it has a heartbeat Jake, its alive.

A heartbeat sustains life, without it, you have death

Lefty liberals like Fake Jake hate being presented with the facts of basic biology.

They say it makes them nauseous and want to throw up. ...

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Most common sense and legal sense is on the side of the anti-abortion crowd -- I believe if not just left up to the states -- the SC can ban abortions at a federal level -- maybe not in Trump's first term, but definitely in his second.

However, trying to overturn sodomy laws may be a lost cause -- but that would be huge if we can get sodomy banned again -- take that gays!!!

 

[peach174]

When Do Human Beings Begin?

 

[Lysistrata]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

And yet they champion slaughter of a developing child. . . chase the tail or accept the truth.

According to the law it's a baby.

If a man assaults a woman and she has a miscarriage.

No matter what stage her pregnancy was in. He will be charged with murder, and if convicted, will go to prison. ....

The right to abortion of convenience wades deeply into hypocrisy in every strata of human existence.

Biological. Familial. Philosophical. Sociological. Ethical, etc.

The sole balance it checks among boxes defining the human condition is self veneration over all--most poignantly: the value of convenience over existence of another life; deification of vanity as reasoning for murder.

Almost every single abortion is for 'convenience.'


The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf


The overwhelming basis used for killing the unborn is convenience.

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.




The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.” In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.” http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

c. We reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.


On-demand abortion is antithetical to the ideas and ideals upon which America was built.

Based on “Voices of the Damned,” found in “Reinventing the Right,” by Robert Wheeler, pp. 89-99.

________________________________________________________________________


In just 12% of the cases were there concerns for the mother’s health; 1% for rape; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Bull shit. A person has a sovereign right to their own body. The "convenience" argument belies this fact. It also conveys some idea that a perfect stranger knows why another person does something, which is totally ridiculous.

What about the sovereign right of the developing child to its own body? You want absolute freedom over self, yet deny the same to the unborn. Blame basic human biology. A woman's biological species imperative is to carry and defend the unborn child until birth at least in order to fulfill the human cycle of life. No man or human law determined that. It is about the most important human responsibility at the very least vis a vis continuance of homo sapiens on the planet. If anything the laws allowing abortion are the only argument you can use to refute biological responsibility.

That's why they vote for this....
"I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Obama



.....a supporter of infanticide.

Asshole. Abortion is NOT "infanticide."

 

[JakeStarkey]

S M and bill, show me the law on fetal personhood. Please.

 

[night_son]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

And yet they champion slaughter of a developing child. . . chase the tail or accept the truth.

The right to abortion of convenience wades deeply into hypocrisy in every strata of human existence.

Biological. Familial. Philosophical. Sociological. Ethical, etc.

The sole balance it checks among boxes defining the human condition is self veneration over all--most poignantly: the value of convenience over existence of another life; deification of vanity as reasoning for murder.

Almost every single abortion is for 'convenience.'


The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf


The overwhelming basis used for killing the unborn is convenience.

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.




The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.” In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.” http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

c. We reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.


On-demand abortion is antithetical to the ideas and ideals upon which America was built.

Based on “Voices of the Damned,” found in “Reinventing the Right,” by Robert Wheeler, pp. 89-99.

________________________________________________________________________


In just 12% of the cases were there concerns for the mother’s health; 1% for rape; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Bull shit. A person has a sovereign right to their own body. The "convenience" argument belies this fact. It also conveys some idea that a perfect stranger knows why another person does something, which is totally ridiculous.

What about the sovereign right of the developing child to its own body? You want absolute freedom over self, yet deny the same to the unborn. Blame basic human biology. A woman's biological species imperative is to carry and defend the unborn child until birth at least in order to fulfill the human cycle of life. No man or human law determined that. It is about the most important human responsibility at the very least vis a vis continuance of homo sapiens on the planet. If anything the laws allowing abortion are the only argument you can use to refute biological responsibility.

That's why they vote for this....
"I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Obama



.....a supporter of infanticide.

Asshole. Abortion is NOT "infanticide."

Excellent argument.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It is a fetus, not a baby.

According to the law it's a baby.

If a man assaults a woman and she has a miscarriage.

No matter what stage her pregnancy was in. He will be charged with murder, and if convicted, will go to prison. ....

The right to abortion of convenience wades deeply into hypocrisy in every strata of human existence.

Biological. Familial. Philosophical. Sociological. Ethical, etc.

The sole balance it checks among boxes defining the human condition is self veneration over all--most poignantly: the value of convenience over existence of another life; deification of vanity as reasoning for murder.

Almost every single abortion is for 'convenience.'


The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf


The overwhelming basis used for killing the unborn is convenience.

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.




The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.” In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.” http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

c. We reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.


On-demand abortion is antithetical to the ideas and ideals upon which America was built.

Based on “Voices of the Damned,” found in “Reinventing the Right,” by Robert Wheeler, pp. 89-99.

________________________________________________________________________


In just 12% of the cases were there concerns for the mother’s health; 1% for rape; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Once again, the self righteous and judgmental attack on people who PC does not know, nor the circumstances of their situation. Of course, using statistics is a fine way to provide cover for the bigotry, but as the man said, there are lies, damn lies and statistics. and let's not forget her appeal to emotion.

 

[Sunni Man]

On other threads, Fake Jake goes into a crazed frenzy about babies being torn from their mother's arms and separated at detention centers along the border by ICE agents.
Jake, who claims to be a dedicated Christian, quotes the Bible and says it's unholy and not Christian.

Yet, he supports unborn babies being torn out of their mother's womb and killed as totally acceptable and normal.

If it wasn't for blatant unabashed hypocrisy. Looney liberals like Fake Jake wouldn't have anything. ...

 

[Lysistrata]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

And yet they champion slaughter of a developing child. . . chase the tail or accept the truth.

Almost every single abortion is for 'convenience.'


The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf


The overwhelming basis used for killing the unborn is convenience.

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.




The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.” In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.” http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

c. We reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.


On-demand abortion is antithetical to the ideas and ideals upon which America was built.

Based on “Voices of the Damned,” found in “Reinventing the Right,” by Robert Wheeler, pp. 89-99.

________________________________________________________________________


In just 12% of the cases were there concerns for the mother’s health; 1% for rape; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Bull shit. A person has a sovereign right to their own body. The "convenience" argument belies this fact. It also conveys some idea that a perfect stranger knows why another person does something, which is totally ridiculous.

What about the sovereign right of the developing child to its own body? You want absolute freedom over self, yet deny the same to the unborn. Blame basic human biology. A woman's biological species imperative is to carry and defend the unborn child until birth at least in order to fulfill the human cycle of life. No man or human law determined that. It is about the most important human responsibility at the very least vis a vis continuance of homo sapiens on the planet. If anything the laws allowing abortion are the only argument you can use to refute biological responsibility.

That's why they vote for this....
"I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Obama



.....a supporter of infanticide.

Asshole. Abortion is NOT "infanticide."

Excellent argument.

What gets to me are the polls, the latest from Britain, that show that the female half of the population are afraid of experiencing an unwanted pregnancy, and the expression of this fear in the latest vote in the Republic of Ireland. Why are the right-wingers not bravely facing this problem and trying to solve this problem that half of the world is experiencing? Why are they so cowardly? We have heard from half of humanity for hundreds of years on this issue.

 

[Wry Catcher]

When Do Human Beings Begin?

Well it's clear women began when Adam gave up his rib,

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

And yet they champion slaughter of a developing child. . . chase the tail or accept the truth.

The right to abortion of convenience wades deeply into hypocrisy in every strata of human existence.

Biological. Familial. Philosophical. Sociological. Ethical, etc.

The sole balance it checks among boxes defining the human condition is self veneration over all--most poignantly: the value of convenience over existence of another life; deification of vanity as reasoning for murder.

Almost every single abortion is for 'convenience.'


The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf


The overwhelming basis used for killing the unborn is convenience.

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.




The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.” In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.” http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

c. We reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.


On-demand abortion is antithetical to the ideas and ideals upon which America was built.

Based on “Voices of the Damned,” found in “Reinventing the Right,” by Robert Wheeler, pp. 89-99.

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In just 12% of the cases were there concerns for the mother’s health; 1% for rape; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Bull shit. A person has a sovereign right to their own body. The "convenience" argument belies this fact. It also conveys some idea that a perfect stranger knows why another person does something, which is totally ridiculous.

What about the sovereign right of the developing child to its own body? You want absolute freedom over self, yet deny the same to the unborn. Blame basic human biology. A woman's biological species imperative is to carry and defend the unborn child until birth at least in order to fulfill the human cycle of life. No man or human law determined that. It is about the most important human responsibility at the very least vis a vis continuance of homo sapiens on the planet. If anything the laws allowing abortion are the only argument you can use to refute biological responsibility.

That's why they vote for this....
"I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Obama



.....a supporter of infanticide.

Asshole. Abortion is NOT "infanticide."

Spot on!

 

[PoliticalChic]

And what? If you can be more specific Jake, maybe I can educate you further

-Geaux

So you double down on a false equivalency based on two disparate situations. OK.

So the choice for women to 'choose' what they do with their bodies has restrictions? If so, a different word needs used when justifying abortions

-Geaux

The core problem lies with what they are doing to another persons body. Killing it.

And don't forget their hobby.....harvesting organs of those aborted babies.

To think we work so hard to dehumanize the unborn in the name of defying what is natural and irrefutably human: responsibility to carry the child. So what do you want then? To escape being human?

I see it as one more arm of the Liberals octopus....the main aim of which is to uproot morality and tradition, end the family and erase religion from the public arena.

It is an enticement to being Liberal: make up your own morality....and ....as Charles Murray has written:

"One change in societal attitude has been the “ecumenical niceness”…don’t fight, share toys, take turns….and never, ever be judgmental. As a result, the upper cultural class, which has stabilized by returning to more traditional ways, survives, ..."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

And yet they champion slaughter of a developing child. . . chase the tail or accept the truth.

The right to abortion of convenience wades deeply into hypocrisy in every strata of human existence.

Biological. Familial. Philosophical. Sociological. Ethical, etc.

The sole balance it checks among boxes defining the human condition is self veneration over all--most poignantly: the value of convenience over existence of another life; deification of vanity as reasoning for murder.

Almost every single abortion is for 'convenience.'


The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf


The overwhelming basis used for killing the unborn is convenience.

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.




The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.” In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.” http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

c. We reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.


On-demand abortion is antithetical to the ideas and ideals upon which America was built.

Based on “Voices of the Damned,” found in “Reinventing the Right,” by Robert Wheeler, pp. 89-99.

________________________________________________________________________


In just 12% of the cases were there concerns for the mother’s health; 1% for rape; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Bull shit. A person has a sovereign right to their own body. The "convenience" argument belies this fact. It also conveys some idea that a perfect stranger knows why another person does something, which is totally ridiculous.

What about the sovereign right of the developing child to its own body? You want absolute freedom over self, yet deny the same to the unborn. Blame basic human biology. A woman's biological species imperative is to carry and defend the unborn child until birth at least in order to fulfill the human cycle of life. No man or human law determined that. It is about the most important human responsibility at the very least vis a vis continuance of homo sapiens on the planet. If anything the laws allowing abortion are the only argument you can use to refute biological responsibility.

That's why they vote for this....
"I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Obama



.....a supporter of infanticide.

Asshole. Abortion is NOT "infanticide."

So glad when I force you to reveal yourself to be low-class....

What I said was Obama supports infanticide.

Clean off your specs, old timer.