How Much Prison Time Should You Get For Having An Abortion?

[Wry Catcher]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

It's a good thought exercise. For those who are hardcore anti-abortion and consider a fetus a life just the same as an adult/child/baby, the logical extension would be that a woman terminating her pregnancy is akin to 1st degree murder and therefore punishable by life in prison. An abortion doctor in that context could be considered a co-conspirator or a contract killer and subject to a 1st degree murder charge as well.

To suggest any less follows that you're not genuine in your assertion that a fetus is a life with full rights and protections under the law.

R v. W is the law and has been for the past 4+ decades. Efforts by the Right to Life Crowd and the Republican Party's continuing use of R v. W as a wedge issue is an example of false pathos; since the R's, when in control of the White House and The Congress, have never passed a bill to outlaw abortion, by sending a Constitutional Amendment to the States for Ratification, we can be reasonably sure they are more concerned with their election, than any fetus.

Sadly abortoin rates almost always go up under Repub admins as they are stupid and cut off birth control funding as well. The best way to stop abortion is to have less pregnancies.

The way to have less pregnancies is to stop fucking without protection.

Simple response to a complex issue, idiot-gram ^^^, ridiculous variety.

 

[Geaux4it]

Explain better, Geaux, please.

(A) Terminating a heartbeat is a woman's choice
(B) Absence of healthcare in not a woman's choice

Appropriately because of the above Mr Trump eliminated the individual mandate under ACA

-Geaux

And?

And what? If you can be more specific Jake, maybe I can educate you further

-Geaux

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is a fetus, not a baby.

According to the law it's a baby.

If a man assaults a woman and she has a miscarriage.

No matter what stage her pregnancy was in. He will be charged with murder, and if convicted, will go to prison. ....

The right to abortion of convenience wades deeply into hypocrisy in every strata of human existence.

Biological. Familial. Philosophical. Sociological. Ethical, etc.

The sole balance it checks among boxes defining the human condition is self veneration over all--most poignantly: the value of convenience over existence of another life; deification of vanity as reasoning for murder.

Almost every single abortion is for 'convenience.'


The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf


The overwhelming basis used for killing the unborn is convenience.

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.




The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.” In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.” http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

c. We reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.


On-demand abortion is antithetical to the ideas and ideals upon which America was built.

Based on “Voices of the Damned,” found in “Reinventing the Right,” by Robert Wheeler, pp. 89-99.

________________________________________________________________________


In just 12% of the cases were there concerns for the mother’s health; 1% for rape; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Bull shit. A person has a sovereign right to their own body. The "convenience" argument belies this fact. It also conveys some idea that a perfect stranger knows why another person does something, which is totally ridiculous.

The vulgarity gives away how ignorant you are.

Watch me prove it, without any such vulgarity.




"A person has a sovereign right to their own body."

The person she has created is a separate and distinct human being, that you wish to kill.

There are a number of clear biological facts, and all sorts of legal precedents, that easily refute the claim that the new human being is simply part of the mother's body.



1. Start with DNA: An individual's body parts all share the same genetic code. If the unborn child were actually a part of the mother's body, the unborn's cells would have the same genetic code as the cells of the mother. This is not the case. Every cell of the unborn's body is genetically distinct from every cell in the mother's body.




1. In many cases, the blood type of the unborn child is different than the blood type of the mother. Since one body cannot function with two different blood types, this is clearly not the mother's blood.




1. In half of all pregnancies, the unborn child is a male, meaning that even the sex of the child is different from the mother.




1. As Randy Alcorn states in his book Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments, "A Chinese zygote implanted in a Swedish woman will always be Chinese, not Swedish, because his identity is based on his genetic code, not on that of the body in which he resides."

2. It is possible for a fetus to die while the mother lives, and it is possible for the mother to die while the fetus lives. This could not be true if the mother and child were simply one person.


Enough to eviscerate the Leftist baby-killers?

I'd be happy to provide even more evidence that the unborn baby is not part of her body.....and, therefore, she has no right to end its life.

 

[Vastator]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

Suffering woman? No one I know is suggesting restricting abortions for pregnancies that threaten the mothers life.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Republic big government progressivism is on a role.

 

[night_son]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

And yet they champion slaughter of a developing child. . . chase the tail or accept the truth.

It is a fetus, not a baby.

According to the law it's a baby.

If a man assaults a woman and she has a miscarriage.

No matter what stage her pregnancy was in. He will be charged with murder, and if convicted, will go to prison. ....

The right to abortion of convenience wades deeply into hypocrisy in every strata of human existence.

Biological. Familial. Philosophical. Sociological. Ethical, etc.

The sole balance it checks among boxes defining the human condition is self veneration over all--most poignantly: the value of convenience over existence of another life; deification of vanity as reasoning for murder.

Almost every single abortion is for 'convenience.'


The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf


The overwhelming basis used for killing the unborn is convenience.

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.




The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.” In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.” http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

c. We reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.


On-demand abortion is antithetical to the ideas and ideals upon which America was built.

Based on “Voices of the Damned,” found in “Reinventing the Right,” by Robert Wheeler, pp. 89-99.

________________________________________________________________________


In just 12% of the cases were there concerns for the mother’s health; 1% for rape; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Bull shit. A person has a sovereign right to their own body. The "convenience" argument belies this fact. It also conveys some idea that a perfect stranger knows why another person does something, which is totally ridiculous.

What about the sovereign right of the developing child to its own body? You want absolute freedom over self, yet deny the same to the unborn. Blame basic human biology. A woman's biological species imperative is to carry and defend the unborn child until birth at least in order to fulfill the human cycle of life. No man or human law determined that. It is about the most important human responsibility at the very least vis a vis continuance of homo sapiens on the planet. If anything the laws allowing abortion are the only argument you can use to refute biological responsibility.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

At the end of the day -- I just want to get to punish these whores - especially Amber --- you promised you would go to the senior prom with me, not Brad, me!!!!! you promised!!

Now look at who will have the last laugh-- me! that's who

The above sentiment is at the core of 75% of republican social policy

 

[JakeStarkey]

Explain better, Geaux, please.

(A) Terminating a heartbeat is a woman's choice
(B) Absence of healthcare in not a woman's choice

Appropriately because of the above Mr Trump eliminated the individual mandate under ACA

-Geaux

And?

And what? If you can be more specific Jake, maybe I can educate you further

-Geaux

So you double down on a false equivalency based on two disparate situations. OK.

 

[Sunni Man]

. The law recognizes the fetus is not a human inside the mother's body.

How do you dream up such nonsense? ...

So Jake, if the fetus isn't human?

Then what is it?? ...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

Suffering woman? No one I know is suggesting restricting abortions for pregnancies that threaten the mothers life.

Several here do that, but they are in the very small minority.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

And yet they champion slaughter of a developing child. . . chase the tail or accept the truth.

It is a fetus, not a baby.

According to the law it's a baby.

If a man assaults a woman and she has a miscarriage.

No matter what stage her pregnancy was in. He will be charged with murder, and if convicted, will go to prison. ....

The right to abortion of convenience wades deeply into hypocrisy in every strata of human existence.

Biological. Familial. Philosophical. Sociological. Ethical, etc.

The sole balance it checks among boxes defining the human condition is self veneration over all--most poignantly: the value of convenience over existence of another life; deification of vanity as reasoning for murder.

Almost every single abortion is for 'convenience.'


The concept that there are "cases of rape or incest" is a chimera.
They really don't exist.....well, the fact is that 98.5% of abortion don't involve either abhorrent event.
The cases in which abortion is for rape, 1%; and .5% incest.http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf


The overwhelming basis used for killing the unborn is convenience.

Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of effort in deciding to execute the child you've created.




The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.” In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:

a. “Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.” Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries

b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.” http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

c. We reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.


On-demand abortion is antithetical to the ideas and ideals upon which America was built.

Based on “Voices of the Damned,” found in “Reinventing the Right,” by Robert Wheeler, pp. 89-99.

________________________________________________________________________


In just 12% of the cases were there concerns for the mother’s health; 1% for rape; and .5% incest. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Bull shit. A person has a sovereign right to their own body. The "convenience" argument belies this fact. It also conveys some idea that a perfect stranger knows why another person does something, which is totally ridiculous.

What about the sovereign right of the developing child to its own body? You want absolute freedom over self, yet deny the same to the unborn. Blame basic human biology. A woman's biological species imperative is to carry and defend the unborn child until birth at least in order to fulfill the human cycle of life. No man or human law determined that. It is about the most important human responsibility at the very least vis a vis continuance of homo sapiens on the planet. If anything the laws allowing abortion are the only argument you can use to refute biological responsibility.

That's why they vote for this....
"I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Obama



.....a supporter of infanticide.

 

[deanrd]

There is a huge disparity when it comes the termination of a pregnancy.

If a man assaults a woman and she has a miscarriage. He will be arrested, charged with murder, and receive prison time if convicted.

But if that same woman has an abortion. She will be hailed as a hero by the liberals for terminating the baby. ....

You do understand that isn't a disparity right?

Its only a disparity for people who are disingenuous --- so lets put your money where your mouth is -- Do you want women to get the death penalty for having an abortion? If not, then shut the fuck up with the disparity bullshit.

I believe a woman who is seeking a 2nd abortion for an unwanted could be fixed and that would end the continuation of unwanted babies being discarded.

I do believe sterilization of women is a viable government program that we can think about implementing. Especially those who have had tried to have more than one abortion -- this will also help reduce the increasing population of undesirable demographics

Wow, that's just how the Nazi's felt.

I would have thought your kind would say you want this kids born for target practice.

 

[Vastator]

Jailed for ending a pregnancy: how prosecutors get inventive on abortion

Once Roe v Wade is ultimately struck down as Trump predicted -- since Trump promised to appoint judges who will overturn the 1973 SC decision; how much time should women and abortionists get for having an abortion?? If you knowingly drive a woman to get an abortion, should you also be charged?

Now I highly doubt we are going to insist that women get the death penalty for having an illegal abortion, but they have to be punished somehow -- Also, would killing an abortion doctor then be considered justified?

Wow, this is a sick issue, and hypocritical of Republicans who want “less government”.

If you think it would be justified to kill a doctor who performed an abortion at the request of a suffering woman, or teenager, then the reverse can be argued for the killing of the doctor killers and even the killing of judges who prosecute women for having sn abortion.
Crazy thoughts!

Suffering woman? No one I know is suggesting restricting abortions for pregnancies that threaten the mothers life.

Several here do that, but they are in the very small minority.

Perhaps. But the overwhelming majority of opponents to abortion are against the abortion on demand, for convenience; which account for the overwhelming majority of abortions.

 

[JakeStarkey]

. The law recognizes the fetus is not a human inside the mother's body.

Where do you come up with such nonsense? ...

So Jake, if the fetus isn't human?

Then what is it?? ...

No one here has ever been able to show that a fetus is a human being in the eyes of the law.

You can't do that. You can't find that.

 

[Geaux4it]

Explain better, Geaux, please.

(A) Terminating a heartbeat is a woman's choice
(B) Absence of healthcare in not a woman's choice

Appropriately because of the above Mr Trump eliminated the individual mandate under ACA

-Geaux

And?

And what? If you can be more specific Jake, maybe I can educate you further

-Geaux

So you double down on a false equivalency based on two disparate situations. OK.

So the choice for women to 'choose' what they do with their bodies has restrictions? If so, a different word needs used when justifying abortions

-Geaux

 

[night_son]

. The law recognizes the fetus is not a human inside the mother's body.

Where do you come up with such nonsense? ...

So Jake, if the fetus isn't human?

Then what is it?? ...

No one here has ever been able to show that a fetus is a human being in the eyes of the law.

You can't do that. You can't find that.

Sound like doubt for your position.

 

[Geaux4it]

. The law recognizes the fetus is not a human inside the mother's body.

Where do you come up with such nonsense? ...

So Jake, if the fetus isn't human?

Then what is it?? ...

No one here has ever been able to show that a fetus is a human being in the eyes of the law.

You can't do that. You can't find that.

If it has a heartbeat Jake, its alive.

A heartbeat sustains life, without it, you have death

-Geaux

 

[Vastator]

Explain better, Geaux, please.

(A) Terminating a heartbeat is a woman's choice
(B) Absence of healthcare in not a woman's choice

Appropriately because of the above Mr Trump eliminated the individual mandate under ACA

-Geaux

And?

And what? If you can be more specific Jake, maybe I can educate you further

-Geaux

So you double down on a false equivalency based on two disparate situations. OK.

So the choice for women to 'choose' what they do with their bodies has restrictions? If so, a different word needs used when justifying abortions

-Geaux

The core problem lies with what they are doing to another persons body. Killing it.

 

[night_son]

Explain better, Geaux, please.

(A) Terminating a heartbeat is a woman's choice
(B) Absence of healthcare in not a woman's choice

Appropriately because of the above Mr Trump eliminated the individual mandate under ACA

-Geaux

And?

And what? If you can be more specific Jake, maybe I can educate you further

-Geaux

So you double down on a false equivalency based on two disparate situations. OK.

So the choice for women to 'choose' what they do with their bodies has restrictions? If so, a different word needs used when justifying abortions

-Geaux

The argument against abortion on demand is proven and won. Every continued argument for is just squirming. Laws will change.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Show me the 'personhood' of a fetus under the law.

Watch the 'harvesting' lie come soon.

Edit: yes, there it is.