How Trump spent the war years

[rightwinger]

Hilary = 4 more years of Obama's bile and lies.

Be honest...we are talking eight more years

 

[g5000]

Trump somehow found the courage to visit our our border with Mexico.

Trump, a businessman and reality TV host, set up a dramatic scene in advance of his own campaign trip, telling the mob of reporters who greeted him at the airport that he was putting himself in "great danger" by coming to the border area across from the volatile Mexican city of Nuevo Laredo. But, he said, "I have to do it. I have to do it."

He should get a medal for his bravery. *sniff*

 

[boilermaker55]

How do you equate what you said to what the generation before the last would have said.
Try to look up the definition of progress.
By the way, it cannot only be limited to the few. Pandering to the 1% is the reason this country is in the downfall it is, that you say.

Just quoting the right wing base that is on the forum. Their montra and it seems with your quote about McCain it fit quite well.
Personally, I have never made such a comment. This country needs to always be progressive to change to better itself.
So your comment about being an idiot would be best directed to the conservatives on this platform

"Always be progressive to change to better itself"? The generations before us industrialized an entire nation, cured diseases, defended freedom, went to the moon and created the largest sustained economy the world has ever known. Your progressiveism has done nothing but tear it down. We have higher crime, abortion, jobless, drug addict, debt and we spend more per student with some of the worlds worst results. That's progress!? Those conservative patriotic idiots of the past sure could learn something from you.

 

[boilermaker55]

Don 't try and tell me how to make my posts.
They know what you ramble about and they know my posts are where they are.
Have a real control problem don't you. It won't work with everyone. LOL Fool boy

There it is again from your kind. ad hominem nothing to refute so ,,,,the best you have insult.
Try reading how it was typed. Then again that won't happen from you.

So when someone says the USA is not the almighty place you think it is and it pisses you off and you go into a rant....leave if you don't like it.You should not get your panties in a knot.
Diplomats are intelligent and respected."the donald" is rich. Figure out the difference.

We need to stop caring so much about how things are said. That's how we get comments like "depends on what the definition of is, is". No one is right 100% of the time. People have flaws and say the wrong things from time to time. GET OVER IT.

What are you talking about? Who's panties are in a knot? "leave if you don't like it", what are you 12? Only an idiot would make a blanket statement like "diplomats are intelligent and respected.... Intelligent by what measure and respected by whom? Was this post even meant as a reply to a post I made???

Boilermaker's an idiot, but on the other hand... Hmmm....sorry, only had one hand on that one

Put your replies at the bottom so people have an idea of what you are rambling in response to...

 

[boilermaker55]

The real stupid mother fucking sperm burper is you.
THe only time ad hominem is used is when face fucks like you use it first

There it is again from your kind. ad hominem nothing to refute so ,,,,the best you have insult.
Try reading how it was typed. Then again that won't happen from you.

So when someone says the USA is not the almighty place you think it is and it pisses you off and you go into a rant....leave if you don't like it.You should not get your panties in a knot.
Diplomats are intelligent and respected."the donald" is rich. Figure out the difference.

We need to stop caring so much about how things are said. That's how we get comments like "depends on what the definition of is, is". No one is right 100% of the time. People have flaws and say the wrong things from time to time. GET OVER IT.

What are you talking about? Who's panties are in a knot? "leave if you don't like it", what are you 12? Only an idiot would make a blanket statement like "diplomats are intelligent and respected.... Intelligent by what measure and respected by whom? Was this post even meant as a reply to a post I made???

Boilermaker's an idiot, but on the other hand... Hmmm....sorry, only had one hand on that one

LOL, what a stupid mother fucker you are. You whine about ad hominem in a post with you going ad hominem IN YOUR OWN QUOTE. Liberalism, stupidity you can't make up.

So I know you're a bunch of parrot collectivists who constantly copy each other, but the latest where you all whine "ad hominem" while you don't even take a breath from your own ad hominem attacks has got to be the funniest one yet. Though the clown avatar one is still classic, you are a bunch of clowns

 

[boilermaker55]

Again, nothing to say so ad hominem. Right spermburper!

There it is again from your kind. ad hominem nothing to refute so ,,,,the best you have insult.
Try reading how it was typed. Then again that won't happen from you.

So when someone says the USA is not the almighty place you think it is and it pisses you off and you go into a rant....leave if you don't like it.You should not get your panties in a knot.
Diplomats are intelligent and respected."the donald" is rich. Figure out the difference.

We need to stop caring so much about how things are said. That's how we get comments like "depends on what the definition of is, is". No one is right 100% of the time. People have flaws and say the wrong things from time to time. GET OVER IT.

What are you talking about? Who's panties are in a knot? "leave if you don't like it", what are you 12? Only an idiot would make a blanket statement like "diplomats are intelligent and respected.... Intelligent by what measure and respected by whom? Was this post even meant as a reply to a post I made???

Boilermaker's an idiot, but on the other hand... Hmmm....sorry, only had one hand on that one

What a moronic little piece of shit you are.... lol

 

[RKMBrown]

Again, nothing to say so ad hominem. Right spermburper!

There it is again from your kind. ad hominem nothing to refute so ,,,,the best you have insult.
Try reading how it was typed. Then again that won't happen from you.

So when someone says the USA is not the almighty place you think it is and it pisses you off and you go into a rant....leave if you don't like it.You should not get your panties in a knot.
Diplomats are intelligent and respected."the donald" is rich. Figure out the difference.

What are you talking about? Who's panties are in a knot? "leave if you don't like it", what are you 12? Only an idiot would make a blanket statement like "diplomats are intelligent and respected.... Intelligent by what measure and respected by whom? Was this post even meant as a reply to a post I made???

Boilermaker's an idiot, but on the other hand... Hmmm....sorry, only had one hand on that one

What a moronic little piece of shit you are.... lol

Nothing to say about what? Your retarded gif of Palin?

 

[Esmeralda]

[Note: After the draft letter, below, there is a transcript of a February 1992 Nightline program in which then-Governor Bill Clinton discusses the controversial draft letter with Ted Koppel.]
"Dear Colonel Holmes,
I am sorry to be so long in writing. I know I promised to let you hear from me at least once a month, and from now on you will, but I have had to have some time to think about this first letter. Almost daily since my return to England I have thought about writing, about what I want to and ought to say. First, I want to thank you, not just for saving me from the draft, but for being so kind and decent to me last summer, when I was as low as I have ever been. One thing which made the bond we struck in good faith somewhat palatable to me was my high regard for you personally. In retrospect, it seems that the admiration might not have been mutual had you known a little more about me, about my political beliefs and activities. At least you might have thought me more fit for the draft than for ROTC. Let me try to explain.
As you know, I worked for two years in a very minor position on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I did it for the experience and the salary, but also for the opportunity, however small, of working every day against a war I opposed and despised with a depth of feeling I had reserved solely for racism in America before Vietnam. I did not take the matter lightly, but studied it carefully, and there was a time when not many people had more information about Vietnam at hand than I did. I have written and spoken and marched against the war. One of the national organizers of the Vietnam Moratorium is a close friend of mine. After I left Arkansas last summer, I went to Washington to work in the national headquarters of the Moratorium, then to England to organize the Americans here for demonstrations here October 15th and November 16th.

After one week of answering questions about allegations of draft-dodging and one week before the New Hampshire primary, a letter surfaces in which a young Bill Clinton thanks a colonel for "saving me from the draft."Clinton defends the letter and questions the motives of his accusers. (2/12/92)

Interlocked with the war is the draft issue, which I did not begin to consider separately until early 1968. For a law seminar at Georgetown I wrote a paper on the legal arguments for and against allowing, within the Selective Service System, the classification of selective conscientious objection, for those opposed to participation in a particular war, not simply to, quote, participation in war in any form, end quote. From my work I came to believe that the draft system itself is illegitimate. No government really rooted in limited, parliamentary democracy should have the power to make its citizens fight and kill and die in a war they may oppose, a war which even possibly may be wrong, a war which, in any case, does not involve immediately the peace and freedom of the nation.
The draft was justified in World War II because the life of the people collectively was at stake. Individuals had to fight if the nation was to survive, for the lives of their countrymen and their way of life. Vietnam is no such case. Nor was Korea, an example where, in my opinion, certain military action was justified but the draft was not, for the reasons stated above.
Because of my opposition to the draft and the war, I am in great sympathy with those who are not willing to fight, kill, and maybe die for their country, that is, the particular policy of a particular government, right or wrong. Two of my friends at Oxford are conscientious objectors. I wrote a letter of recommendation for one of them to his Mississippi draft board, a letter which I am more proud of than anything else I wrote at Oxford last year. One of my roommates is a draft resister who is possibly under indictment and may never be able to go home again. He is one of the bravest, best men I know. His country needs men like him more than they know. That he is considered a criminal is an obscenity.
The decision not to be a resister and the related subsequent decisions were the most difficult of my life. I decided to accept the draft in spite of my beliefs for one reason: to maintain my political viability within the system. For years I have worked to prepare myself for a political life characterized by both practical political ability and concern for rapid social progress. It is a life I still feel compelled to try to lead. I do not think our system of government is by definition corrupt, however dangerous and inadequate it has been in recent years (the society may be corrupt, but that is not the same thing, and if that is true we are all finished anyway).
When the draft came, despite political convictions, I was having a hard time facing the prospect of fighting a war I had been fighting against, and that is why I contacted you. ROTC was the one way left in which I could possibly, but not positively, avoid both Vietnam and resistance. Going on with my education, even coming back to England, played no part in my decision to join ROTC. I am back here, and would have been at Arkansas Law School, because there is nothing else I can do. In fact, I would like to have been able to take a year out perhaps to teach in a small college or work on some community action project and in the process to decide whether to attend law school or graduate school and how to be putting what I have learned to use. But the particulars of my personal life are not nearly as important to me as the principles involved.
After I signed the ROTC letter of intent I began to wonder whether the compromise I had made with myself was not more objectionable than the draft would have been, because I had no interest in the ROTC program in itself and all I seemed to have done was to protect myself from physical harm. Also, I began to think I had deceived you, not by lies - there were none - but by failing to tell you all the things I'm writing now. I doubt that I had the mental coherence to articulate them then. At that time, after we had made our agreement and you had sent my 1 - D deferment to my draft board, the anguish and loss of self-regard and self-confidence really set in. I hardly slept for weeks and kept going by eating compulsively and reading until exhaustion brought sleep. Finally on September 12th, I stayed up all night writing a letter to the chairman of my draft board, saying basically what is in the preceding paragraph, thanking him for trying to help me in a case where he really couldn't, and stating that I couldn't do the ROTC after all and would he please draft me as soon as possible.
I never mailed the letter, but I did carry it on me every day until I got on the plane to return to England. I didn't mail the letter because I didn't see, in the end, how my going in the Army and maybe going to Vietnam would achieve anything except a feeling that I had punished myself and gotten what I deserved. So I came back to England to try to make something of this second year of my Rhodes scholarship.
And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal. Forgive the length of this letter. There was much to say. There is still a lot to be said, but it can wait. Please say hello to Colonel Jones for me. Merry Christmas.
Sincerely,
Bill Clinton"

"First, I want to thank you, not just for saving me from the draft"

"And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country"" but loathing the military".

Bill Clinton s Draft Letter The Clinton Years FRONTLINE PBS

You left wing idiots need to get the fudge over yourselves, Billy Boy is your hero and he was a fucking coward.

Didn't see Bill Clinton deriding McCains status as a war hero because he was a POW

Why do you guys always struggle with equivalencies?

Yes, that's really the point here. Neither Clinton nor Obama have derided the men who have served. That is the point that the Right on this thread is ignoring. I guess as they have no answer to the real issue, they deflect to other ideas that have nothing to do with it.

 

[kaz]

The real stupid mother fucking sperm burper is you.
THe only time ad hominem is used is when face fucks like you use it first

There it is again from your kind. ad hominem nothing to refute so ,,,,the best you have insult.
Try reading how it was typed. Then again that won't happen from you.

So when someone says the USA is not the almighty place you think it is and it pisses you off and you go into a rant....leave if you don't like it.You should not get your panties in a knot.
Diplomats are intelligent and respected."the donald" is rich. Figure out the difference.

What are you talking about? Who's panties are in a knot? "leave if you don't like it", what are you 12? Only an idiot would make a blanket statement like "diplomats are intelligent and respected.... Intelligent by what measure and respected by whom? Was this post even meant as a reply to a post I made???

Boilermaker's an idiot, but on the other hand... Hmmm....sorry, only had one hand on that one

LOL, what a stupid mother fucker you are. You whine about ad hominem in a post with you going ad hominem IN YOUR OWN QUOTE. Liberalism, stupidity you can't make up.

So I know you're a bunch of parrot collectivists who constantly copy each other, but the latest where you all whine "ad hominem" while you don't even take a breath from your own ad hominem attacks has got to be the funniest one yet. Though the clown avatar one is still classic, you are a bunch of clowns

You insult people all the time you stupid pussy, what a dumb ass you are that you turn around and whine about insults. If you write actual arguments to me without insults, you won't get any back. Pull down your dress, little girl, your twat is showing

 

[Broncho4]

Don 't try and tell me how to make my posts.
They know what you ramble about and they know my posts are where they are.
Have a real control problem don't you. It won't work with everyone. LOL Fool boy

There it is again from your kind. ad hominem nothing to refute so ,,,,the best you have insult.
Try reading how it was typed. Then again that won't happen from you.

So when someone says the USA is not the almighty place you think it is and it pisses you off and you go into a rant....leave if you don't like it.You should not get your panties in a knot.
Diplomats are intelligent and respected."the donald" is rich. Figure out the difference.

What are you talking about? Who's panties are in a knot? "leave if you don't like it", what are you 12? Only an idiot would make a blanket statement like "diplomats are intelligent and respected.... Intelligent by what measure and respected by whom? Was this post even meant as a reply to a post I made???

Boilermaker's an idiot, but on the other hand... Hmmm....sorry, only had one hand on that one

Put your replies at the bottom so people have an idea of what you are rambling in response to...

Who is "they". Since you only post semi-coherent thoughts, context is necessary. If I have to pull up the previous message it's a pain.

Is "they" the voices in your head? It would explain a lot.

 

[Redfish]

Republicans leading candidate for President

How Trump spent the war years

IT WAS THE spring of 1968, and Donald Trump had it good. He was 21 years old and handsome, with a full head of hair. He'd avoided the Vietnam War draft on his way to earning an Ivy League degree. He was fond of fancy dinners, beautiful women, and outrageous clubs.

Most important, he had a job in his father's real estate company and a brain bursting with moneymaking ideas that would make him a billionaire.

"When I graduated from college, I had a net worth of perhaps $200,000," he said in his 1987 autobiography Trump: The Art of the Deal, written with Tony Schwartz. (That's about $1.4 million in 2015 dollars.) "I had my eye on Manhattan."

More than 8,000 miles away, John McCain sat in a tiny, squalid North Vietnamese prison cell. The Navy pilot's body was broken from a plane crash, starvation, botched operations, and months of torture.

The stark contrast in their fortunes was thrown into sharp relief this month when Trump belittled McCain during a campaign speech in Iowa. "He's not a war hero," Trump said of McCain. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."

Please tell us about Hillary's military service, or Bubba's, or Bernie's

Now, Webb is the guy you dems should be backing. He has a good record, is a good man, and would give the GOP a good fight.

But you fools are stuck with the hildebeast and she will complete the destruction of the dem party that was started by obozo.

 

[Redfish]

Hilary = 4 more years of Obama's bile and lies.

Be honest...we are talking eight more years

LOL, the bitch will be in an alzheimers facility in 4 years.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Isn't this the same bunch that idolizes Clinton the draft dodger and ran down McCain as an enemy collaborator during the 2008 election?

 

[rightwinger]

Trump somehow found the courage to visit our our border with Mexico.

Trump, a businessman and reality TV host, set up a dramatic scene in advance of his own campaign trip, telling the mob of reporters who greeted him at the airport that he was putting himself in "great danger" by coming to the border area across from the volatile Mexican city of Nuevo Laredo. But, he said, "I have to do it. I have to do it."

He should get a medal for his bravery. *sniff*

Trump faces down the evil Mexicans while McCain lounges in the Hanoi Hilton

 

[rightwinger]

Hilary = 4 more years of Obama's bile and lies.

Be honest...we are talking eight more years

LOL, the bitch will be in an alzheimers facility in 4 years.

Still leave her brighter than the Republican Clown Car

 

[kaz]

Trump somehow found the courage to visit our our border with Mexico.

Trump, a businessman and reality TV host, set up a dramatic scene in advance of his own campaign trip, telling the mob of reporters who greeted him at the airport that he was putting himself in "great danger" by coming to the border area across from the volatile Mexican city of Nuevo Laredo. But, he said, "I have to do it. I have to do it."

He should get a medal for his bravery. *sniff*

Trump faces down the evil Mexicans while McCain lounges in the Hanoi Hilton

John Kerry would have put himself in for a purple heart for that

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans leading candidate for President

How Trump spent the war years

IT WAS THE spring of 1968, and Donald Trump had it good. He was 21 years old and handsome, with a full head of hair. He'd avoided the Vietnam War draft on his way to earning an Ivy League degree. He was fond of fancy dinners, beautiful women, and outrageous clubs.

Most important, he had a job in his father's real estate company and a brain bursting with moneymaking ideas that would make him a billionaire.

"When I graduated from college, I had a net worth of perhaps $200,000," he said in his 1987 autobiography Trump: The Art of the Deal, written with Tony Schwartz. (That's about $1.4 million in 2015 dollars.) "I had my eye on Manhattan."

More than 8,000 miles away, John McCain sat in a tiny, squalid North Vietnamese prison cell. The Navy pilot's body was broken from a plane crash, starvation, botched operations, and months of torture.

The stark contrast in their fortunes was thrown into sharp relief this month when Trump belittled McCain during a campaign speech in Iowa. "He's not a war hero," Trump said of McCain. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."

Please tell us about Hillary's military service, or Bubba's, or Bernie's

Now, Webb is the guy you dems should be backing. He has a good record, is a good man, and would give the GOP a good fight.

But you fools are stuck with the hildebeast and she will complete the destruction of the dem party that was started by obozo.

I didn't see Hillary mocking the heroism of POWs........that would be the leading Republican

 

[Vigilante]

Hilary = 4 more years of Obama's bile and lies.

Be honest...we are talking eight more years

LOL, the bitch will be in an alzheimers facility in 4 years.

Still leave her brighter than the Republican Clown Car

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!

4 poll numbers that should unnerve Hillary Clinton
Washington Post · 5 hours ago
Four poll numbers came out over the weekend that are decidedly sobering for Hillary Clinton's presidential prospects ... to be expected as she re-entered the…

 

[g5000]

Trump somehow found the courage to visit our our border with Mexico.

Trump, a businessman and reality TV host, set up a dramatic scene in advance of his own campaign trip, telling the mob of reporters who greeted him at the airport that he was putting himself in "great danger" by coming to the border area across from the volatile Mexican city of Nuevo Laredo. But, he said, "I have to do it. I have to do it."

He should get a medal for his bravery. *sniff*

Trump faces down the evil Mexicans while McCain lounges in the Hanoi Hilton

John Kerry would have put himself in for a purple heart for that

Poor Hillary. She had to go all the way to Bosnia to dodge bullets when Trump only had to go to Texas.

 

[Redfish]

Hilary = 4 more years of Obama's bile and lies.

Be honest...we are talking eight more years

LOL, the bitch will be in an alzheimers facility in 4 years.

Still leave her brighter than the Republican Clown Car

you are dumber than a sack of frog feet.