How we know Hitler was right wing.

[bripat9643]

In the American context, Hitler can be viewed as left-wing since Americans often view the political spectrum through the nature of government, where more government is left-wing and less government is right-wing. Because the Nazis used extreme government power to destroy individual rights and wage war, in this context, Hitler would be viewed as extreme left wing.

That premise itself is inoperative anyway. We tore that down long ago backthread.

AJ's link goes to a gainsaying thread put up by .... Rottenweiler. That tells us all we need to know about "just a fact".

You did nothing of the sort. You merely stamped your foot and said "Nuh Uhn!"

 

[Youwerecreated]

Prior coming to this board, I had never heard anyone suggest Hitler was anything but right wing. This may be something to do with living in Europe where the awareness of fascism is so very high because it occured here, or maybe it's something our education system focuses on. Or maybe coincidence.

Either way, recently I've noticed two posters recently insist Hitler was left wing....and even liberal.

Here is SSDD:

Hitler's government was called right wing by communists and socialists of the time, but his governemnt was still socialist. It consisted of a large and powerful central authority which is, by definition, not a conservative, or classically lberal government

Right wing and left wing are two wings of the same house and the house is socialism.

In cases like this, I am not sure facts have a great deal of impact, but maybe it is interesting to discuss some of the features of Fascism anyway.

Let's start with some quotes from Hitler:

"The main plank in the Nationalist Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood."

"The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism."

"In the years 1913 and 1914, I… expressed the conviction that the question of the future of the German nation was the question of destroying Marxism."

"In the economic sphere Communism is analogous to democracy in the political sphere."

"The Marxists will march with democracy until they succeed in indirectly obtaining for their criminal aims the support of even the national intellectual world, destined by them for extinction."

"Marxism itself systematically plans to hand the world over to the Jews."

"The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight."

Myth: Hitler was a leftist

Does it matter that Hitler was either right or left ? the guy was nuts.

 

[Uncensored2008]

My bad. I thought this was the other thread. Too early in the morning for me.

Hitler was an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Obama is an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

You are an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Nuff said.

 

[Pogo]

My bad. I thought this was the other thread. Too early in the morning for me.

Hitler was an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Obama is an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

You are an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Nuff said.

So.... you're saying... "Esmerelda = Hitler".

Thanks for playing, and be sure to play the Great Gobs of Godwin Game at home. It's a great game; you win when you can prove that everybody is Hitler but yourself.
I think you'll do well.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The evidence has been presented over and over again in this thread; can't you read?

A few observations;

You've never read Shirer.
You are a partisan, so you state from a perspective of attacking the opposition party rather than from a position of evidence or fact.
You use imprecise definitions that are absurd on their face.

I'll give you an example of the bias and ignorance you depend on;

Prior to forming the Fascisti, Benito Mussolini was head of which party;

1.) The Reelect BOOOOOOSSSSHHH party
2.) The Republican Party
3.) The Italian Bolshevik party
4.) The Whig party

Mussolini was arrested in Switzerland for organizing a general strike in an attempt to foster a Communist revolution; He escaped prison and possible execution based on the intervention by;

1.) George W. BOOOOOSSSSSSHHHH
2.) Mitt Romney
3.) Vladimir Lenin
4.) Ronald Reagan

Your constant name calling says far more about you than it does about me. Your level of discussion reflects your level of intelligence. School children are the level of maturity of people who continually use name calling. I suppose it helps you to build yourself up because of your low self esteem, poor pathetic thing that you are.

The problem is that you're ignorant. You post your partisan babble as if it were actual knowledge. While serving your party is your primary aim, it is not a substitute for substantive dialogue.

 

[Papageorgio]

It does contain a lot of ridiculous nonsense, like that one Rottenheimer had going to make the opposite point, but this thread was put here to counter the revisionist mythmongering that "Hitler was a leftist". I think Rottensoiler put his ridiculous thread up in a desperate response to this one, but I found this one to be deeper. Of course the mythmongers are here too, so it runs the gamut from insightful history to lunatic fantasy.

It's no surprise that you would agree with the dingbat Esmeralda who provides zero evidence to support her claims.

The evidence has been presented over and over again in this thread; can't you read?

Your constant name calling says far more about you than it does about me. Your level of discussion reflects your level of intelligence. School children are the level of maturity of people who continually use name calling. I suppose it helps you to build yourself up because of your low self esteem, poor pathetic thing that you are.

And other evidence points the other way but you don't or refuse to address it, so I doubt you are being objective.

 

[Papageorgio]

My bad. I thought this was the other thread. Too early in the morning for me.

Hitler was an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Obama is an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

You are an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Nuff said.

So.... you're saying... "Esmerelda = Hitler".

Thanks for playing, and be sure to play the Great Gobs of Godwin Game at home. It's a great game; you win when you can prove that everybody is Hitler but yourself.
I think you'll do well.

You got that out of his comments? Wow! I thought you were smarter than that.

 

[Pete7469]

Hitler was an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Obama is an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

You are an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Nuff said.

So.... you're saying... "Esmerelda = Hitler".

Thanks for playing, and be sure to play the Great Gobs of Godwin Game at home. It's a great game; you win when you can prove that everybody is Hitler but yourself.
I think you'll do well.

You got that out of his comments? Wow! I thought you were smarter than that.

You really thought he was smart at all? I only had to read a few of his posts to know better.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What Hitler was was a FASCIST...a fascist of his own unique variety, too,

Characterizing Hitler with the meaningless words "right" or "left" tell us nothing about Hitler and everything about the person making the claim.

His extreme authoritarianist government stripped the people of human rights, but his government STILL operated as a capitalistic economy.

Are you honestly claiming that Hitler's Reich had a market economy?

Really?

In 1937, the entire board of directors for Bayerische Motoren Werke (BMW) were dismissed - 6 of them shot to death. They were replaced by Nazi Stooges. While many companies were technically private, the Nazi Party controlled the means of production with an iron fist.

There is nothing "capitalist" about Fascism. Well connected looters working on behalf of the state are a far cry from the invisible hand.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So.... you're saying... "Esmerelda = Hitler".

If only you actually WERE clever...

 

[Pete7469]

So.... you're saying... "Esmerelda = Hitler".

Thanks for playing, and be sure to play the Great Gobs of Godwin Game at home. It's a great game; you win when you can prove that everybody is Hitler but yourself.
I think you'll do well.

I love when bed wetters bring up "Godwin's Law". Funny how that comes up when they're correctly compared to nazis, after years of insisting their opponents were nazis.

Next thing you know they'll be defending Stalin....

Oh wait, Cindy Sheehan already did.

 

[Pogo]

Hitler was an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Obama is an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

You are an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Nuff said.

So.... you're saying... "Esmerelda = Hitler".

Thanks for playing, and be sure to play the Great Gobs of Godwin Game at home. It's a great game; you win when you can prove that everybody is Hitler but yourself.
I think you'll do well.

You got that out of his comments? Wow! I thought you were smarter than that.

OK, let's watch it again in slow motion...

Hitler was an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Obama is an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

You are an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

"Hitler = Obama = Esmerelda". Hence "Hitler = Esmerelda".
Diga me, what else can you possibly get out of that?? Ain't rocket surgery.

That's not a rhetorical question; I expect an answer, and something more substantive than a gaping disbelief in the absence of an alternative. Or a wanker ad hominem.

 

[Toro]

That premise itself is inoperative anyway. We tore that down long ago backthread.

AJ's link goes to a gainsaying thread put up by .... Rottenweiler. That tells us all we need to know about "just a fact".

I'm not going to read all the pages, but I'm assuming that you are referring to social conservative types. If so, I'd agree with you. However, that is not the only context in which the left/right spectrum can be set. It can be set a number of ways. In America, for those who believe the individual is sovereign and individual liberties are paramount, then "conservative" or "right-wing" can be defined around the ideals laid forth in the Constitution.

 

[Pete7469]

That premise itself is inoperative anyway. We tore that down long ago backthread.

AJ's link goes to a gainsaying thread put up by .... Rottenweiler. That tells us all we need to know about "just a fact".

I'm not going to read all the pages, but I'm assuming that you are referring to social conservative types. If so, I'd agree with you. However, that is not the only context in which the left/right spectrum can be set. It can be set a number of ways. In America, for those who believe the individual is sovereign and individual liberties are paramount, then "conservative" or "right-wing" can be defined around the ideals laid forth in the Constitution.

I would argue that "religious conservatives" who push a moral agenda by force of law are authortarians, and settle on the left of the spectrum.

But who the fuck am I...

 

[Pogo]

That premise itself is inoperative anyway. We tore that down long ago backthread.

AJ's link goes to a gainsaying thread put up by .... Rottenweiler. That tells us all we need to know about "just a fact".

I'm not going to read all the pages, but I'm assuming that you are referring to social conservative types. If so, I'd agree with you. However, that is not the only context in which the left/right spectrum can be set. It can be set a number of ways. In America, for those who believe the individual is sovereign and individual liberties are paramount, then "conservative" or "right-wing" can be defined around the ideals laid forth in the Constitution.

Wasn't referring to social conservatives, no. Far more simplistic: it was actually suggested back at the beginning here that the difference between "right" and "left" amounts to nothing more than the size of government. "Bigger" government (whatever that means) was declared to be "left" and "smaller" government (whatever that means) was declared "right". We pointed out that that was oversimpilified one-dimensional and a biased sample, and that the political left-right spectrum was far more complex than that.

They tried to float the idea that there's some kind of scale that you can plop a government on to weigh it, and at some (undefined) threshold is the "Center". Lighter than that threshold was "right", heavier, "left". Naziism, tipping the scales at "way heavy", was thus deemed to be "left".

Such was the basis of reasoning where this silly idea began.

 

[Uncensored2008]

"Hitler = Obama = Esmerelda". Hence "Hitler = Esmerelda".
Diga me, what else can you possibly get out of that?? Ain't rocket surgery.

That's not a rhetorical question; I expect an answer, and something more substantive than a gaping disbelief in the absence of an alternative. Or a wanker ad hominem.

My god but you're stupid.

And desperate.

 

[Pogo]

But who the fuck am I...

Excellent point.

 

[Uncensored2008]

But who the fuck am I...

Excellent point.

At least he doesn't construct syllogisms like;

Water is wet

Ale is wet

Urine is wet

Therefore water=ale=urine.

I mean, someone would have to be TOTALLY retarded to stumble into that kind of idiocy...

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Hitler was a Statist/Authoritarian. There's a point where left and right don't matter.

This is like asking "Was Stalin or Hitler better, because Stalin was left and Hitler was right."

 

[Pogo]

Hitler was an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Obama is an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

You are an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Nuff said.

So.... you're saying... "Esmerelda = Hitler".

Thanks for playing, and be sure to play the Great Gobs of Godwin Game at home. It's a great game; you win when you can prove that everybody is Hitler but yourself.
I think you'll do well.

You got that out of his comments? Wow! I thought you were smarter than that.

OK, let's watch it again in slow motion...

Hitler was an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

Obama is an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

You are an authoritarian opposed to individual liberty.

"Hitler = Obama = Esmerelda". Hence "Hitler = Esmerelda".
Diga me, what else can you possibly get out of that?? Ain't rocket surgery.

That's not a rhetorical question; I expect an answer, and something more substantive than a gaping disbelief in the absence of an alternative. Or a wanker ad hominem.

My god but you're stupid.

And desperate.

So you're going with the empty slackjaw nonargument and the wanker ad hominem. Might as well cover all your bases.

The question is still open -- what else can it mean? Open that is to those who can actually handle it, or concede their own bullshit.