Zone1 How would you feel about God if he

[sealybobo]

Incorrect. The universe popped into existence. It was not created from existing matter. CMB, red shift, FLoT, quantum mechanics and Friedmann's solution to Einstein's field equations prove these two statements.

So there was a matrix or source for the creation of matter and energy that formed our space time. Since matter and energy cannot exist outside of space and time the source or matrix of creation must be incorporeal. God is incorporeal.

Didn't he not believe in black holes? Do you know how many things he admitted were unknowable before he died?

I look him up on wiki and I don't think he discussed god very much. And I don't think the theories he came up with prove god either. Neither do Einsteins.

Yes our observable universe popped into existence. Your mind is too small and dull to think bigger. You can do it when talking about god but you can't do it with space and time.

You have no ideal where our universe is going.

Considering it's getting bigger and bigger, doesn't that prove you wrong? I mean if our universe was all there was and nothing was before our outside of our universe, where is our universe going?

Every fucking day our universe gets bigger and bigger. What new territory is it taking over? That's the shit I'm talking about. Beyond our universe. See, that place does exist you dumb fuck.

 

[sealybobo]

Incorrect. The CMB is evidence of the beginning of THE universe. The CMB is not evidence of the beginning of the observable universe. So... how can a universe that began 14 billion years ago be infinite in size? It's can't. For the universe to be infinite in size would require the universe to have always existed in an infinite size state. Which is why you can't provide any evidence to support such a silly assertion.

So the universe started out really small. Edited for Zone 1 W6 Right? What was 2000 feet in front or our universe before our universe expanded to take over that space? How about 1000 miles from that point? So as the universe is getting bigger and bigger, what space are we taking over? Well that space must have been there before the big bang right?

And if you look out at the edge of our observable universe our observable universe is getting bigger right? Where's it going? How far will it continue to go? I don't think it will go forever. I think our observable universe will eventually slow down and start shrinking. Or slow down and eventually all the stars will die. The universe will become cold and dark. And that's probably pretty close to what our universe was like when it got started. Did it all contrast into the little ball that became the big bang? Or did the big bang just happen in our previously old/dead/dark universe? Maybe a black hole helped it happen.

The coolest brown dwarf has been discovered, with a surface temperature of 623 Kelvin (that’s only 350 Celsius or 660 degrees Fahrenheit). Compare with the surface temperature of our Sun, a modest 6,000 Kelvin, you can see that this featherweight dwarf “star” is a little odd. As far as stars go, this one is pretty unspectacular, but it does hold a vast amount of interest. It may not be as sexy as a supernova or as exotic as a neutron star, the humble brown dwarf may provide the essential link between planets (specifically gas giants) and stars. They are effectively failed stars, and this new discovery demonstrates just how cold they can be…

Brown dwarfs are the link between massive planets and small stars. They have an upper limit of about 80 Jupiter masses, but are not massive enough to sustain nuclear fusion in their core. They do however experience convection from the interior to the surface. The confusion arises when trying to find the lower limit of brown dwarf size, at what mass does the gas giant planet start being a brown dwarf star? This grey area is thought to be characterized by an entirely new stellar type: Y-class dwarfs. Until now Y-class dwarfs have been very elusive and have only existed in theory.


But the small low burning stars will be around much longer than the bigger and brigher ones.

I don't even like discussing god because nothing can prove or disprove it. But there is so much more interesting real things we can talk about like this stuff.

 

[sealybobo]

Incorrect. The CMB is evidence of the beginning of THE universe. The CMB is not evidence of the beginning of the observable universe. So... how can a universe that began 14 billion years ago be infinite in size? It's can't. For the universe to be infinite in size would

require the universe to have always existed in an infinite size state. Which is why you can't provide any evidence to support such a silly assertion.

if space is expanding into some higher dimensional space, we can’t, with our current knowledge of physics, know anything about it. And it may even be beyond our comprehension.

If the universe is infinite, there is nothing beyond it, by definition. A finite expanding universe conjures up the idea that it would have a boundary or edge, separating it from something beyond. Of course, the universe has at least four dimensions (three for space and one for time) which is nigh on impossible for us to visualise.

However, space could be represented as two dimensions, confined to the gossamer-thin surface of a sphere. You could travel in any direction on the surface without encountering an edge. If the radius were to increase, the “universe” would expand as ours does, but it wouldn’t be expanding into anything.

Finally, we could speculate that our universe is part of a multiverse with many other universes beyond our own, but it is unlikely that we are expanding into them.

 

[sealybobo]

Incorrect. The universe popped into existence. It was not created from existing matter. CMB, red shift, FLoT, quantum mechanics and Friedmann's solution to Einstein's field equations prove these two statements.

So there was a matrix or source for the creation of matter and energy that formed our space time. Since matter and energy cannot exist outside of space and time the source or matrix of creation must be incorporeal. God is incorporeal.

Is there anything beyond the universe?​

By Paul Sutter
published 25 February 2022
This one's a real head-scratcher

It's one of the most compelling questions you could possibly ask, one that humanity has been asking since basically the beginning of time: What's beyond the known limits? What's past the edge of our maps? The ultimate version of this question is, What lies outside the boundary of the universe?

The answer is — well, it's complicated.

So Ding, please don't come here and tell us you know or say we're stupid because we aren't buying your conclusions. Most scientists don't believe what you are saying is true.

Is there anything beyond the universe?

This one's a real head-scratcher.

www.space.com

To answer the question of what's outside the universe, we first need to define exactly what we mean by "universe." If you take it to mean literally all the things that could possibly exist in all of space and time, then there can't be anything outside the universe. Even if you imagine the universe to have some finite size, and you imagine something outside that volume, then whatever is outside also has to be included in the universe.


Even if the universe is a formless, shapeless, nameless void of absolutely nothing, that's still a thing and is counted on the list of "all the things" — and, hence, is, by definition, a part of the universe.

If the universe is infinite in size, you don't really need to worry about this conundrum. The universe, being all there is, is infinitely big and has no edge, so there's no outside to even talk about.

Oh, sure, there's an outside to our observable patch of the universe. The cosmos is only so old, and light only travels so fast. So, in the history of the universe, we haven't received light from every single galaxy. The current width of the observable universe is about 90 billion light-years. And presumably, beyond that boundary, there's a bunch of other random stars and galaxies.

But past that? It's hard to tell.

That's the answer Ding. So stop pretending you know more than this. And you thinking any of this proves intent or a god is laughable.

If the universe is perfectly geometrically flat, then it can be infinite. If it's curved, like Earth's surface, then it has finite volume.

Current observations and measurements of the curvature of the universe indicate that it is almost perfectly flat. You might think this means the universe is infinite. But it's not that simple. Even in the case of a flat universe, the cosmos doesn't have to be infinitely big. Take, for example, the surface of a cylinder. It is geometrically flat, because parallel lines drawn on the surface remain parallel (that's one of the definitions of "flatness"), and yet it has a finite size. The same could be true of the universe: It could be completely flat yet closed in on itself.

But even if the universe is finite, it doesn't necessarily mean there is an edge or an outside. It could be that our three-dimensional universe is embedded in some larger, multidimensional construct. That's perfectly fine and is indeed a part of some exotic models of physics. But currently, we have no way of testing that, and it doesn't really affect the day-to-day operations of the cosmos.

And I know this is extremely headache-inducing, but even if the universe has a finite volume, it doesn't have to be embedded.

When you imagine the universe, you might think of a giant ball that's filled with stars, galaxies and all sorts of interesting astrophysical objects. You may imagine how it looks from the outside, like an astronaut views Earth from a serene orbit above.

But the universe doesn't need that outside perspective in order to exist. The universe simply is. It is entirely mathematically self-consistent to define a three-dimensional universe without requiring an outside to that universe. When you imagine the universe as a ball floating in the middle of nothing, you're playing a mental trick on yourself that the mathematics does not require.

Granted, it sounds impossible for there to be a finite universe that has nothing outside it. And not even "nothing" in the sense of an empty void — completely and totally mathematically undefined. In fact, asking "What's outside the universe?" is like asking "What sound does the color purple make?" It's a nonsense question, because you're trying to combine two unrelated concepts.

It could very well be that our universe does indeed have an "outside." But again, this doesn't have to be the case. There's nothing in mathematics that describes the universe that demands an outside.

If all this sounds complicated and confusing, don't worry. The entire point of developing sophisticated mathematics is to have tools that give us the ability to grapple with concepts beyond what we can imagine. And that's one of the powers of modern cosmology: It allows us to study the unimaginable.

 

[toobfreak]

How would you feel about God if he shown you his powers when you stood before him and he changed into a woman and then several different kinds of animals and then changed back. Would you lose respect for him and act like you do with trans people or would you be in awe of his abilities.

How would you feel if Joe Biden stood before you, and then changed into Xi Jinping laughing at you while all kinds of demons and dragons crawled out of his ass?

 

[toobfreak]

Is there anything beyond the universe?​

Yes. Lots more universes.

 

[toobfreak]

God would never deceive anyone like that, and would never lie to you.

God is pure Light. God is absolute Truth. Anyone suggesting that God could lie or deceive with His infinite Light, Truth, Love, Beauty and Power is truly confused, most likely by the Devil Himself.

Another product of the seditious far left public school education.

 

[sealybobo]

God is pure Light. God is absolute Truth. Anyone suggesting that God could lie or deceive with His infinite Light, Truth, Love, Beauty and Power is truly confused, most likely by the Devil Himself.

Another product of the seditious far left public school education.

So god didn't flood the earth killing everyone except one family?

God didn't kill everyone at Sadam and Gamora?

And god has the power to save people or perform miracles yet he watches people get raped, tortured and murdered all the time? He sit and watches innocent people go to jail?

He doesn't have infinite power. If he does, he doesn't use it.

 

[sealybobo]

I love it how 1 out of every 1000 escapes a serial killer and they think God for saving them. But god did nothing for the other 999.

 

[toobfreak]

God didn't kill everyone at Sadam and Gamora?

It is spelled Sodom and Gomorrah. Saddam was an Iraqi ruler. Gamora is a monster who fought with Godzilla in Jap Horror flicks. Geesh. WOW.

 

[ding]

You're wrong. So you can't ask me a question if your initial comment is wrong.

The Universe has always existed. Our universe hasn't. That's all. See? You're confusing the two. I knew this would stump you.

You are arguing against the Big Bang.

 

[ding]

Big U little u. Learn the diff simp.

Which u does the cmb belong to?

 

[ding]

You're forgetting all the stuff we don't know. That's convenient for you.

You are arguing against the Big Bang.

 

[ding]

I love it how 1 out of every 1000 escapes a serial killer and they think God for saving them. But god did nothing for the other 999.

God’s a prankster.

 

[ding]

Didn't he not believe in black holes? Do you know how many things he admitted were unknowable before he died?

I look him up on wiki and I don't think he discussed god very much. And I don't think the theories he came up with prove god either. Neither do Einsteins.

Yes our observable universe popped into existence. Your mind is too small and dull to think bigger. You can do it when talking about god but you can't do it with space and time.

You have no ideal where our universe is going.

Considering it's getting bigger and bigger, doesn't that prove you wrong? I mean if our universe was all there was and nothing was before our outside of our universe, where is our universe going?

Every fucking day our universe gets bigger and bigger. What new territory is it taking over? That's the shit I'm talking about. Beyond our universe. See, that place does exist you dumb fuck.

The universe beginning freaks you out.

 

[ding]

So the universe started out really small. The size of your penis. Right? What was 2000 feet in front or our universe before our universe expanded to take over that space? How about 1000 miles from that point? So as the universe is getting bigger and bigger, what space are we taking over? Well that space must have been there before the big bang right?

And if you look out at the edge of our observable universe our observable universe is getting bigger right? Where's it going? How far will it continue to go? I don't think it will go forever. I think our observable universe will eventually slow down and start shrinking. Or slow down and eventually all the stars will die. The universe will become cold and dark. And that's probably pretty close to what our universe was like when it got started. Did it all contrast into the little ball that became the big bang? Or did the big bang just happen in our previously old/dead/dark universe? Maybe a black hole helped it happen.

The coolest brown dwarf has been discovered, with a surface temperature of 623 Kelvin (that’s only 350 Celsius or 660 degrees Fahrenheit). Compare with the surface temperature of our Sun, a modest 6,000 Kelvin, you can see that this featherweight dwarf “star” is a little odd. As far as stars go, this one is pretty unspectacular, but it does hold a vast amount of interest. It may not be as sexy as a supernova or as exotic as a neutron star, the humble brown dwarf may provide the essential link between planets (specifically gas giants) and stars. They are effectively failed stars, and this new discovery demonstrates just how cold they can be…

Brown dwarfs are the link between massive planets and small stars. They have an upper limit of about 80 Jupiter masses, but are not massive enough to sustain nuclear fusion in their core. They do however experience convection from the interior to the surface. The confusion arises when trying to find the lower limit of brown dwarf size, at what mass does the gas giant planet start being a brown dwarf star? This grey area is thought to be characterized by an entirely new stellar type: Y-class dwarfs. Until now Y-class dwarfs have been very elusive and have only existed in theory.


But the small low burning stars will be around much longer than the bigger and brigher ones.

I don't even like discussing god because nothing can prove or disprove it. But there is so much more interesting real things we can talk about like this stuff.

Knock yourself out.

The Early Universe

 

[ding]

if space is expanding into some higher dimensional space, we can’t, with our current knowledge of physics, know anything about it. And it may even be beyond our comprehension.

If the universe is infinite, there is nothing beyond it, by definition. A finite expanding universe conjures up the idea that it would have a boundary or edge, separating it from something beyond. Of course, the universe has at least four dimensions (three for space and one for time) which is nigh on impossible for us to visualise.

However, space could be represented as two dimensions, confined to the gossamer-thin surface of a sphere. You could travel in any direction on the surface without encountering an edge. If the radius were to increase, the “universe” would expand as ours does, but it wouldn’t be expanding into anything.

Finally, we could speculate that our universe is part of a multiverse with many other universes beyond our own, but it is unlikely that we are expanding into them.

Technically it's all in the mind of God. Even the other universes which may or may not exist. It's not something a three dimensional being like yourself existing in 4 dimension space time can comprehend. Everything is information. Information is incorporeal and the incorporeal is not bound by the laws of physics or thermodynamics but are the laws of physics and thermodynamics. And information is a sign of intelligence.

 

[ding]

Is there anything beyond the universe?​

By Paul Sutter
published 25 February 2022
This one's a real head-scratcher

It's one of the most compelling questions you could possibly ask, one that humanity has been asking since basically the beginning of time: What's beyond the known limits? What's past the edge of our maps? The ultimate version of this question is, What lies outside the boundary of the universe?

The answer is — well, it's complicated.

So Ding, please don't come here and tell us you know or say we're stupid because we aren't buying your conclusions. Most scientists don't believe what you are saying is true.

Is there anything beyond the universe?

This one's a real head-scratcher.

www.space.com

To answer the question of what's outside the universe, we first need to define exactly what we mean by "universe." If you take it to mean literally all the things that could possibly exist in all of space and time, then there can't be anything outside the universe. Even if you imagine the universe to have some finite size, and you imagine something outside that volume, then whatever is outside also has to be included in the universe.


Even if the universe is a formless, shapeless, nameless void of absolutely nothing, that's still a thing and is counted on the list of "all the things" — and, hence, is, by definition, a part of the universe.

If the universe is infinite in size, you don't really need to worry about this conundrum. The universe, being all there is, is infinitely big and has no edge, so there's no outside to even talk about.

Oh, sure, there's an outside to our observable patch of the universe. The cosmos is only so old, and light only travels so fast. So, in the history of the universe, we haven't received light from every single galaxy. The current width of the observable universe is about 90 billion light-years. And presumably, beyond that boundary, there's a bunch of other random stars and galaxies.

But past that? It's hard to tell.

That's the answer Ding. So stop pretending you know more than this. And you thinking any of this proves intent or a god is laughable.

If the universe is perfectly geometrically flat, then it can be infinite. If it's curved, like Earth's surface, then it has finite volume.

Current observations and measurements of the curvature of the universe indicate that it is almost perfectly flat. You might think this means the universe is infinite. But it's not that simple. Even in the case of a flat universe, the cosmos doesn't have to be infinitely big. Take, for example, the surface of a cylinder. It is geometrically flat, because parallel lines drawn on the surface remain parallel (that's one of the definitions of "flatness"), and yet it has a finite size. The same could be true of the universe: It could be completely flat yet closed in on itself.

But even if the universe is finite, it doesn't necessarily mean there is an edge or an outside. It could be that our three-dimensional universe is embedded in some larger, multidimensional construct. That's perfectly fine and is indeed a part of some exotic models of physics. But currently, we have no way of testing that, and it doesn't really affect the day-to-day operations of the cosmos.

And I know this is extremely headache-inducing, but even if the universe has a finite volume, it doesn't have to be embedded.

When you imagine the universe, you might think of a giant ball that's filled with stars, galaxies and all sorts of interesting astrophysical objects. You may imagine how it looks from the outside, like an astronaut views Earth from a serene orbit above.

But the universe doesn't need that outside perspective in order to exist. The universe simply is. It is entirely mathematically self-consistent to define a three-dimensional universe without requiring an outside to that universe. When you imagine the universe as a ball floating in the middle of nothing, you're playing a mental trick on yourself that the mathematics does not require.

Granted, it sounds impossible for there to be a finite universe that has nothing outside it. And not even "nothing" in the sense of an empty void — completely and totally mathematically undefined. In fact, asking "What's outside the universe?" is like asking "What sound does the color purple make?" It's a nonsense question, because you're trying to combine two unrelated concepts.

It could very well be that our universe does indeed have an "outside." But again, this doesn't have to be the case. There's nothing in mathematics that describes the universe that demands an outside.

If all this sounds complicated and confusing, don't worry. The entire point of developing sophisticated mathematics is to have tools that give us the ability to grapple with concepts beyond what we can imagine. And that's one of the powers of modern cosmology: It allows us to study the unimaginable.

The mind of God is what's beyond the universe. Which is the eternal and unchanging source of existence. God is the source or matrix of all reality. The material world can only be made manifest by mind. The stuff of the world is mind‑stuff. It's all just information.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How would you feel about God if he shown you his powers when you stood before him and he changed into a woman and then several different kinds of animals and then changed back. Would you lose respect for him and act like you do with trans people or would you be in awe of his abilities.

Where do you buy your drugs?

 

[ding]

So god didn't flood the earth killing everyone except one family?

Correct. Embellishment meant to make the account more memorable so it would be easier to pass down to future generations.

God didn't kill everyone at Sadam and Gamora?

Correct. Embellishment meant to make the account more memorable so it would be easier to pass down to future generations.

And god has the power to save people or perform miracles yet he watches people get raped, tortured and murdered all the time? He sit and watches innocent people go to jail?

He doesn't have infinite power. If he does, he doesn't use it.

God's power isn't put forth to achieve certain outcomes. God's power is put forth to achieve certain outcomes under certain conditions so as to effect change in the lives of those that experience it. That's what the account of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was about in Genesis.