Hows that Sanctuary State worken for ya California?

[BluesLegend]

How many American citizens would need to be RAPED and KILLED by illegals before you agree to secure our borders and deport illegals? Or do you consider Americans RAPED and KILLED by illegals acceptable collateral damage?

I’ve said many times that I support border security I’m not advocating for a free for all system. But you are not going to convince me that tens of millions of people need to be rounded up and deported because a fraction of them are thugs. A fraction of Americans are thugs that rape and murder as well. We should be focusing on fighting crime and gangs. You are politicizing tragic events like this to support immigration policy. It’s the same bullshit the Left does with the gun debate after mass shootings. Except in this case you are demonizing people not weapons

Why not, they broke our laws. Why should they get a free pass and why should they get to jump to the front of the legal immigration line? We could process a lot more LEGAL immigrants if we were not spending BILLIONS of dollars dealing with these illegal law breaking invaders.

Agree. But trying to deport 10s of millions of people is going to send us backwards. We need to create better pathways.

Okay illegals must pass all legal requirements to immigrate here legally, any who don't get deported deal?

Deal. We just need to review and reform the legal requirements to deal with the real situation which is millions of families who live and work here. Need to find a way to get them in the system

You realize the vast majority do not meet the legal requirements to immigrate here right?

 

[eagle1462010]

Gustavo Perez Arriaga has been arrested for allegedly killing a CA police officer

If we could only have our murderous immigrants linked up with our murderous cops.

Well the so called murderous cops have been killed at an alarming rate. More cops died in 2018 Why because assholes like you


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Really? Do explain what "we've" done. If the cops cannot police their own they can police no one at all.

Great, so if those that have trouble following laws, what the heck let's take the law into our own hands. Although, I can't imagine it working out too well for some of you.

Go ahead bad boy, go right on ahead.

 

[eagle1462010]

I’ve said many times that I support border security I’m not advocating for a free for all system. But you are not going to convince me that tens of millions of people need to be rounded up and deported because a fraction of them are thugs. A fraction of Americans are thugs that rape and murder as well. We should be focusing on fighting crime and gangs. You are politicizing tragic events like this to support immigration policy. It’s the same bullshit the Left does with the gun debate after mass shootings. Except in this case you are demonizing people not weapons

Why not, they broke our laws. Why should they get a free pass and why should they get to jump to the front of the legal immigration line? We could process a lot more LEGAL immigrants if we were not spending BILLIONS of dollars dealing with these illegal law breaking invaders.

Agree. But trying to deport 10s of millions of people is going to send us backwards. We need to create better pathways.

Okay illegals must pass all legal requirements to immigrate here legally, any who don't get deported deal?

Deal. We just need to review and reform the legal requirements to deal with the real situation which is millions of families who live and work here. Need to find a way to get them in the system

You realize the vast majority do not meet the legal requirements to immigrate here right?

Only 2% get approved

 

[H B Lowrie]

most of your harassment laws against illegals are unconstitutional in the end.

The hell with illegals. They have no rights in our country. Try that in another country and see what happens


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Other countries don't have a regressive stupid greedy idiot party like the GOP which has basically invited illegals in 4 years and only cares after one of their corrupt economic meltdowns. Pass the goddamn national ID card that every other modern country has with this problem and end it, dumbass dupes.

Invited illegals in? WTF, and who doesn't want to deter, prosecute, deport them...dumbass.

Reagan gave them amnesty and then refused to do anything to stop more coming. The whole point of Republicans is cutting taxes on the rich and services for everyone else, silly super duper. Democrats have been for a good SS ID card forever, all Republicans care about it is using it as a political football and calling Democrats communists. Works for the stupid racist brainwashed GOP base...

For the first six years of the Reagan presidency (1981-87) The Republicans controlled the Senate, and the Democrats the House. In 1986, the Democrats recaptured the Senate (while retaining the House) and thereafter remained in control of both chamber until losing both in 1994....dumbass.

Folks who still actually buy into the notion that these "two" political parties actually oppose each other rather than work together in tandem provide endless hours of entertainment.

 

[francoHFW]

most of your harassment laws against illegals are unconstitutional in the end.

The hell with illegals. They have no rights in our country. Try that in another country and see what happens


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Other countries don't have a regressive stupid greedy idiot party like the GOP which has basically invited illegals in 4 years and only cares after one of their corrupt economic meltdowns. Pass the goddamn national ID card that every other modern country has with this problem and end it, dumbass dupes.

Invited illegals in? WTF, and who doesn't want to deter, prosecute, deport them...dumbass.

Reagan gave them amnesty and then refused to do anything to stop more coming. The whole point of Republicans is cutting taxes on the rich and services for everyone else, silly super duper. Democrats have been for a good SS ID card forever, all Republicans care about it is using it as a political football and calling Democrats communists. Works for the stupid racist brainwashed GOP base...

For the first six years of the Reagan presidency (1981-87) The Republicans controlled the Senate, and the Democrats the House. In 1986, the Democrats recaptured the Senate (while retaining the House) and thereafter remained in control of both chamber until losing both in 1994....dumbass.

That was the last time the Democrats gave Reagan a honeymoon and allowed giant tax cuts for the rich. Since then pure GOP obstruction. So now we have the worst inequality and upward Mobility ever and in the modern world. Pass the goddamn national ID card like every other modern country has with this problem.

 

[francoHFW]

The hell with illegals. They have no rights in our country. Try that in another country and see what happens


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Other countries don't have a regressive stupid greedy idiot party like the GOP which has basically invited illegals in 4 years and only cares after one of their corrupt economic meltdowns. Pass the goddamn national ID card that every other modern country has with this problem and end it, dumbass dupes.

Invited illegals in? WTF, and who doesn't want to deter, prosecute, deport them...dumbass.

Reagan gave them amnesty and then refused to do anything to stop more coming. The whole point of Republicans is cutting taxes on the rich and services for everyone else, silly super duper. Democrats have been for a good SS ID card forever, all Republicans care about it is using it as a political football and calling Democrats communists. Works for the stupid racist brainwashed GOP base...

For the first six years of the Reagan presidency (1981-87) The Republicans controlled the Senate, and the Democrats the House. In 1986, the Democrats recaptured the Senate (while retaining the House) and thereafter remained in control of both chamber until losing both in 1994....dumbass.

Folks who still actually buy into the notion that these "two" political parties actually oppose each other rather than work together in tandem provide endless hours of entertainment.

Our government is built for obstruction now with the filibuster that is not a filibuster, and one senator can block up the whole thing. Republicans though can use reconciliation to cut taxes on the rich. So down we go. Brilliant, dupes.

We'll never get anywhere until there is a landslide for the Democrats and reform.

 

[Slade3200]

I’ve said many times that I support border security I’m not advocating for a free for all system. But you are not going to convince me that tens of millions of people need to be rounded up and deported because a fraction of them are thugs. A fraction of Americans are thugs that rape and murder as well. We should be focusing on fighting crime and gangs. You are politicizing tragic events like this to support immigration policy. It’s the same bullshit the Left does with the gun debate after mass shootings. Except in this case you are demonizing people not weapons

Why not, they broke our laws. Why should they get a free pass and why should they get to jump to the front of the legal immigration line? We could process a lot more LEGAL immigrants if we were not spending BILLIONS of dollars dealing with these illegal law breaking invaders.

Agree. But trying to deport 10s of millions of people is going to send us backwards. We need to create better pathways.

Okay illegals must pass all legal requirements to immigrate here legally, any who don't get deported deal?

Deal. We just need to review and reform the legal requirements to deal with the real situation which is millions of families who live and work here. Need to find a way to get them in the system

You realize the vast majority do not meet the legal requirements to immigrate here right?

What requirements are you talking about?

 

[H B Lowrie]

Other countries don't have a regressive stupid greedy idiot party like the GOP which has basically invited illegals in 4 years and only cares after one of their corrupt economic meltdowns. Pass the goddamn national ID card that every other modern country has with this problem and end it, dumbass dupes.

Invited illegals in? WTF, and who doesn't want to deter, prosecute, deport them...dumbass.

Reagan gave them amnesty and then refused to do anything to stop more coming. The whole point of Republicans is cutting taxes on the rich and services for everyone else, silly super duper. Democrats have been for a good SS ID card forever, all Republicans care about it is using it as a political football and calling Democrats communists. Works for the stupid racist brainwashed GOP base...

For the first six years of the Reagan presidency (1981-87) The Republicans controlled the Senate, and the Democrats the House. In 1986, the Democrats recaptured the Senate (while retaining the House) and thereafter remained in control of both chamber until losing both in 1994....dumbass.

Folks who still actually buy into the notion that these "two" political parties actually oppose each other rather than work together in tandem provide endless hours of entertainment.

Our government is built for obstruction now with the filibuster that is not a filibuster, and one senator can block up the whole thing. Republicans though can use reconciliation to cut taxes on the rich. So down we go. Brilliant, dupes.

We'll never get anywhere until there is a landslide for the Democrats and reform.

Corporatist Dems like Chuckie the Shrew and Nancy? Don't see it myself.

 

[francoHFW]

Invited illegals in? WTF, and who doesn't want to deter, prosecute, deport them...dumbass.

Reagan gave them amnesty and then refused to do anything to stop more coming. The whole point of Republicans is cutting taxes on the rich and services for everyone else, silly super duper. Democrats have been for a good SS ID card forever, all Republicans care about it is using it as a political football and calling Democrats communists. Works for the stupid racist brainwashed GOP base...

For the first six years of the Reagan presidency (1981-87) The Republicans controlled the Senate, and the Democrats the House. In 1986, the Democrats recaptured the Senate (while retaining the House) and thereafter remained in control of both chamber until losing both in 1994....dumbass.

Folks who still actually buy into the notion that these "two" political parties actually oppose each other rather than work together in tandem provide endless hours of entertainment.

Our government is built for obstruction now with the filibuster that is not a filibuster, and one senator can block up the whole thing. Republicans though can use reconciliation to cut taxes on the rich. So down we go. Brilliant, dupes.

We'll never get anywhere until there is a landslide for the Democrats and reform.

Corporatist Dems like Chuckie the Shrew and Nancy? Don't see it myself.

Compared to the bought off lying cheating brainwashing GOP, they are raving socialists, silly Dupe. That means they are for fair capitalism with a good safety net. Horrors!

 

[danielpalos]

Yes but I’m not out to demonize illegal aliens because one was a gang banger. It’s not an honest position to take.

neither is doing anti ice just to not go along with trump.

I agree that anti ice is an extreme position but I do think the hyperbpartisan rhetoric around the immigration issue is a part of what cause that movement. I also think that Trump is a big part of leading the charge in the tone behind the environment of this conversation so he does bare some responsibility IMO

Trump doesn't mind taking the responsibility. Which is a whole lot more than could be said about ALL in congress, that feel it's much easier (and for some stupidass reason, better) to either defend illegals or kick the can down the road.

I give Trump props for wanting to do something but I don’t agree with what he is trying to do and I don’t think he is making a genuine effort to work with Dems to actually make a deal and get something done. On the other hand I don’t think the Dems are really trying to work with Trump on this issue either. Again it goes back to the toxic rhetoric around this issue and Trump is setting the tone.

Yea, Dems aren't interested in anything that resembles a negotiation.

There is no Express wall building power; the right wing Owns this shutdown.

 

[danielpalos]

No, it’s a fair comparison, both are illegal acts. Drunk driving, in my option, is a greater and more imminent threat to public safety than being here without documentation so I understand why the penalties are harsher.

Would you find it bizarre if there were folks who did champion drunk drivers, who encouraged people to drive drunk, who felt as though we OWE drunk drivers the right to drive?
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No I wouldn’t find it odd. There will always be sympathetic people out there that want to help people who are poor, troubled, desperate, addicts or mentally disturbed. There will also be hardasses that want to inflict strict punishment as a means of dealing with law breaking.

I think it is a healthy debate and contrast to have. If either side had its way 100% then I think we would be heading down a bad path.

Only problem is just about all the sympathetic people want to help others with money that doesn't belong to them.

That could be said about any tax funded initiative. And there will always be people who oppose spending tax payer funds around any issue

Yet we have American citizens that are homeless, starving kids, etc. So what the hell, let's let in more.

equal protection of the law, right wingers. it really is that simple.

the Problem for the Right Wing is that the Poor may benefit.

 

[danielpalos]

No, it’s a fair comparison, both are illegal acts. Drunk driving, in my option, is a greater and more imminent threat to public safety than being here without documentation so I understand why the penalties are harsher.

Would you find it bizarre if there were folks who did champion drunk drivers, who encouraged people to drive drunk, who felt as though we OWE drunk drivers the right to drive?
All Most Wanted - Los Angeles Police Department

No I wouldn’t find it odd. There will always be sympathetic people out there that want to help people who are poor, troubled, desperate, addicts or mentally disturbed. There will also be hardasses that want to inflict strict punishment as a means of dealing with law breaking.

I think it is a healthy debate and contrast to have. If either side had its way 100% then I think we would be heading down a bad path.

But you live in a nation funded and run by The People....our laws are constructed by The People. Why would you think it’s okay to support illegal activities that conflict with what The People want? Why would you support illegal activities that cost me financially, that cost Mollie Tibbetts her life?

What illegal activities do you think I support.

Change always follows a movement the opposes current law, that’s how new laws get written and old laws changed. It was once illegal for women to vote, it was once illegal to drink alcohol, it was once legal to discriminate against black people... opposition to these laws is what instigated change

These laws you speak of that changed...most laws are changed / amended because there are clear benefits for The People, the citizenry to implement said change. Not one of you have ever been able to show us how Americans benefit by the presence of illegal thirdworlders. Can you do that now?

there is no Express wall building or border security power. There is an Express establishment clause for a uniform rule of naturalization, not immigration.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Would you find it bizarre if there were folks who did champion drunk drivers, who encouraged people to drive drunk, who felt as though we OWE drunk drivers the right to drive?
All Most Wanted - Los Angeles Police Department

No I wouldn’t find it odd. There will always be sympathetic people out there that want to help people who are poor, troubled, desperate, addicts or mentally disturbed. There will also be hardasses that want to inflict strict punishment as a means of dealing with law breaking.

I think it is a healthy debate and contrast to have. If either side had its way 100% then I think we would be heading down a bad path.

But you live in a nation funded and run by The People....our laws are constructed by The People. Why would you think it’s okay to support illegal activities that conflict with what The People want? Why would you support illegal activities that cost me financially, that cost Mollie Tibbetts her life?

What illegal activities do you think I support.

Change always follows a movement the opposes current law, that’s how new laws get written and old laws changed. It was once illegal for women to vote, it was once illegal to drink alcohol, it was once legal to discriminate against black people... opposition to these laws is what instigated change

These laws you speak of that changed...most laws are changed / amendment because there are clear benefits for The People, the citizenry to implement said change. Not one of you have ever been able to show us how Americans benefit by the presence of illegal thirdworlders. Can you do that now?

I admit it is more of a moral issue than a cost benefit issue for me. I don’t think we should have open borders and I don’t think people should be able to just come here and jump on our welfare systems. But I do think anybody who wants to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their families should have to opportunity to do so. I think our country is big enough, and rich enough, and smart enough to utilize a growing workforce to expand our economy.

So you believe that foreign nationals who can’t even speak our language should be gifted the opportunity to ride the backs of hard-working Americans to see if they can make it here while we have our own dying in our streets, a failing health care system, a failing education system, failing infrastructure, $21T in debt, many of them raping and killing our people and somehow you think you are being moral with that philosophy?
You may need to rethink where your allegiance lies.

 

[Slade3200]

No I wouldn’t find it odd. There will always be sympathetic people out there that want to help people who are poor, troubled, desperate, addicts or mentally disturbed. There will also be hardasses that want to inflict strict punishment as a means of dealing with law breaking.

I think it is a healthy debate and contrast to have. If either side had its way 100% then I think we would be heading down a bad path.

But you live in a nation funded and run by The People....our laws are constructed by The People. Why would you think it’s okay to support illegal activities that conflict with what The People want? Why would you support illegal activities that cost me financially, that cost Mollie Tibbetts her life?

What illegal activities do you think I support.

Change always follows a movement the opposes current law, that’s how new laws get written and old laws changed. It was once illegal for women to vote, it was once illegal to drink alcohol, it was once legal to discriminate against black people... opposition to these laws is what instigated change

These laws you speak of that changed...most laws are changed / amendment because there are clear benefits for The People, the citizenry to implement said change. Not one of you have ever been able to show us how Americans benefit by the presence of illegal thirdworlders. Can you do that now?

I admit it is more of a moral issue than a cost benefit issue for me. I don’t think we should have open borders and I don’t think people should be able to just come here and jump on our welfare systems. But I do think anybody who wants to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their families should have to opportunity to do so. I think our country is big enough, and rich enough, and smart enough to utilize a growing workforce to expand our economy.

So you believe that foreign nationals who can’t even speak our language should be gifted the opportunity to ride the backs of hard-working Americans to see if they can make it here while we have our own dying in our streets, a failing health care system, a failing education system, failing infrastructure, $21T in debt, many of them raping and killing our people and somehow you think you are being moral with that philosophy?
You may need to rethink where your allegiance lies.

Of course not, I never said anything close to that. You’re not grasping my position very well. Don’t know why I waste so much time explaining it if your not even going to try and listen or understand

 

[BrokeLoser]

But you live in a nation funded and run by The People....our laws are constructed by The People. Why would you think it’s okay to support illegal activities that conflict with what The People want? Why would you support illegal activities that cost me financially, that cost Mollie Tibbetts her life?

What illegal activities do you think I support.

Change always follows a movement the opposes current law, that’s how new laws get written and old laws changed. It was once illegal for women to vote, it was once illegal to drink alcohol, it was once legal to discriminate against black people... opposition to these laws is what instigated change

These laws you speak of that changed...most laws are changed / amendment because there are clear benefits for The People, the citizenry to implement said change. Not one of you have ever been able to show us how Americans benefit by the presence of illegal thirdworlders. Can you do that now?

I admit it is more of a moral issue than a cost benefit issue for me. I don’t think we should have open borders and I don’t think people should be able to just come here and jump on our welfare systems. But I do think anybody who wants to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their families should have to opportunity to do so. I think our country is big enough, and rich enough, and smart enough to utilize a growing workforce to expand our economy.

So you believe that foreign nationals who can’t even speak our language should be gifted the opportunity to ride the backs of hard-working Americans to see if they can make it here while we have our own dying in our streets, a failing health care system, a failing education system, failing infrastructure, $21T in debt, many of them raping and killing our people and somehow you think you are being moral with that philosophy?
You may need to rethink where your allegiance lies.

Of course not, I never said anything close to that. You’re not grasping my position very well. Don’t know why I waste so much time explaining it if your not even going to try and listen or understand

Oh, I thought you just said this...
“But I do think anybody who wants to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their families should have to opportunity to do so.”

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Sanctuary State works great for the corrupt Democrat Politicians, their illegal alien criminals, their drug cartels, their racist aztlan nationalist and their human traffickers.

The sole reason any "illegals" (think about that concept, human beings as "illegal", oh so christian) have ever been here is at the behest of, upon the lobbying efforts of, and due to think tank drafted legislation on the behalf of and by your Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class.

The problem is a rather easy one to "fix". The issue at hand is that capitalism has never been able to, or seen fit to, wean itself off of a downtrodden cheap source of labor it could/can exploit. I suggest to you sir that american capitalism never will. By design.

1) all countries control their border crossings and immigration
2) "illegal" is an accurate descriptive name
3) Capitalism is the best cure for poverty
4) Left Wing economics is just government slavery that destroys the middle class
5) This makes no sense at all. "The sole reason any "illegals" (think about that concept, human beings as "illegal", oh so christian) have ever been here is at the behest of, upon the lobbying efforts of, and due to think tank drafted legislation on the behalf of and by your Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class." Try rewriting that.

 

[danielpalos]

No I wouldn’t find it odd. There will always be sympathetic people out there that want to help people who are poor, troubled, desperate, addicts or mentally disturbed. There will also be hardasses that want to inflict strict punishment as a means of dealing with law breaking.

I think it is a healthy debate and contrast to have. If either side had its way 100% then I think we would be heading down a bad path.

But you live in a nation funded and run by The People....our laws are constructed by The People. Why would you think it’s okay to support illegal activities that conflict with what The People want? Why would you support illegal activities that cost me financially, that cost Mollie Tibbetts her life?

What illegal activities do you think I support.

Change always follows a movement the opposes current law, that’s how new laws get written and old laws changed. It was once illegal for women to vote, it was once illegal to drink alcohol, it was once legal to discriminate against black people... opposition to these laws is what instigated change

These laws you speak of that changed...most laws are changed / amendment because there are clear benefits for The People, the citizenry to implement said change. Not one of you have ever been able to show us how Americans benefit by the presence of illegal thirdworlders. Can you do that now?

I admit it is more of a moral issue than a cost benefit issue for me. I don’t think we should have open borders and I don’t think people should be able to just come here and jump on our welfare systems. But I do think anybody who wants to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their families should have to opportunity to do so. I think our country is big enough, and rich enough, and smart enough to utilize a growing workforce to expand our economy.

So you believe that foreign nationals who can’t even speak our language should be gifted the opportunity to ride the backs of hard-working Americans to see if they can make it here while we have our own dying in our streets, a failing health care system, a failing education system, failing infrastructure, $21T in debt, many of them raping and killing our people and somehow you think you are being moral with that philosophy?
You may need to rethink where your allegiance lies.

only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy.

 

[Slade3200]

What illegal activities do you think I support.

Change always follows a movement the opposes current law, that’s how new laws get written and old laws changed. It was once illegal for women to vote, it was once illegal to drink alcohol, it was once legal to discriminate against black people... opposition to these laws is what instigated change

These laws you speak of that changed...most laws are changed / amendment because there are clear benefits for The People, the citizenry to implement said change. Not one of you have ever been able to show us how Americans benefit by the presence of illegal thirdworlders. Can you do that now?

I admit it is more of a moral issue than a cost benefit issue for me. I don’t think we should have open borders and I don’t think people should be able to just come here and jump on our welfare systems. But I do think anybody who wants to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their families should have to opportunity to do so. I think our country is big enough, and rich enough, and smart enough to utilize a growing workforce to expand our economy.

So you believe that foreign nationals who can’t even speak our language should be gifted the opportunity to ride the backs of hard-working Americans to see if they can make it here while we have our own dying in our streets, a failing health care system, a failing education system, failing infrastructure, $21T in debt, many of them raping and killing our people and somehow you think you are being moral with that philosophy?
You may need to rethink where your allegiance lies.

Of course not, I never said anything close to that. You’re not grasping my position very well. Don’t know why I waste so much time explaining it if your not even going to try and listen or understand

Oh, I thought you just said this...
“But I do think anybody who wants to work hard and make a better life for themselves and their families should have to opportunity to do so.”

I did say that. What you said was totally different

 

[francoHFW]

They used to be afraid of being deported for being illegal. Now they are not

They should be deported for being illegaI

.

That's just the racist than you talking... They will never deport them all. They won't even try. Half the Republicans wouldn't even try. Then there are the racist idiots... Passing national ID card like other countries have. The wall is stupid and won't work

Pass a goddamn ID card like other countries have. This is ridiculous. Democrats have tried but got burned by bulshit.

Democrats don't want an ID card.

.

Actually they did. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/95235-democrats-spark-alarm-with-call-for-national-id-card?amp&ved=2ahUKEwjJtdTessTfAhWMyoMKHWbeDlMQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2dXPGHkoM5PUNMKpZKlFqe&ampcf=1 in 2010 not for the first time. I really think you're Republican Masters don't really even want to stop illegal workers, Just distract you fools with stupid walls and stupid laws that are unconstitutional.

Border walls now unconstitutional?


They are for our security ...

most of your harassment laws against illegals are unconstitutional in the end.

The hell with illegals. They have no rights in our country. Try that in another country and see what happens


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25% of the country agree with you and they keep this mess going decade after decade. So damn stupid. Pass the Damned ID card, brainwashed functional moron.the people who run the GOP love the cheap easily bullied labor and keep this going forever....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How many American citizens would need to be RAPED and KILLED by illegals before you agree to secure our borders and deport illegals? Or do you consider Americans RAPED and KILLED by illegals acceptable collateral damage?

I’ve said many times that I support border security I’m not advocating for a free for all system. But you are not going to convince me that tens of millions of people need to be rounded up and deported because a fraction of them are thugs. A fraction of Americans are thugs that rape and murder as well. We should be focusing on fighting crime and gangs. You are politicizing tragic events like this to support immigration policy. It’s the same bullshit the Left does with the gun debate after mass shootings. Except in this case you are demonizing people not weapons

Why not, they broke our laws. Why should they get a free pass and why should they get to jump to the front of the legal immigration line? We could process a lot more LEGAL immigrants if we were not spending BILLIONS of dollars dealing with these illegal law breaking invaders.

Agree. But trying to deport 10s of millions of people is going to send us backwards. We need to create better pathways.

Okay illegals must pass all legal requirements to immigrate here legally, any who don't get deported deal?

Deal. We just need to review and reform the legal requirements to deal with the real situation which is millions of families who live and work here. Need to find a way to get them in the system

Actually we need to get them out of the system and out of the country.