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Our system is completely overwhelmed and not working. It needs reform.Who cares what other countries do. We have a broken system that isnt working so changes need to be made. I think that’s pretty obvious.Got it, except for to deal with 10s of millions of people and families who have been living and working here for years, a new system is going to have been formed. Arranging a mass exodus is not realistic.U.S. Immigration Law
First they have to obtain a green card. That requires proof they will not be a welfare mooching public charge. Public charge refers to becoming dependent upon the government for the expenses of living (food, shelter, clothing, etc.) Second they must show proof of medical examinations and vaccinations that proves they are in good health.
That's just for a green card. After 5 years on a green card then they can apply for citizenship and get back in another line. That will require being able to read, write, speak English. Understanding of U.S. history and government. No serious crimes committed.
Right, so they come here, break our laws, and because they have been here illegally, change our laws for them.
What other country would do this?
No, there is nothing wrong with our system. The system allows a million foreigners to become citizens every year. Our system hands out over 11,000 Visa's every year. Our system allows people to come here with Green Cards, work and earn money, and take our American dollars back home so they can live a better life.
Now we have to change our laws because the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigrants has to get more generous?
Addiction and desperation are two things stemming from the same sourceReally? Did it work with drugs and gangs?Again keep dreaming it’s not going to happen. Same tactic was tried with the “war on drugs” and look how that disaster turned outGetting rid of them is easy and preventing more from coming in is easier. Pass a law that being here illegally is a first degree felony that comes with a minimum 5 year prison sentence. We won't need a wall, no E-verify, no worries about expired Visa's. One law would solve most of our problems with illegals today.
Correct, it's not going to happen, that's why they keep coming.
A strong enough deterrent works every time it's tried.
No it didn't, but addiction means you can't stop yourself. Nobody is addicted to coming into the US illegally.
That’s not what I’m talking about. You are a truck driver Ray, you should know this better than most. There are ghost towns all over the USA. Manufacturing and rural America has shut down and migrated to the cities. You know I’m not talking about agg fields and national parks.I drive cross country all the time and all I see is open land. There aren’t too many people, there is just overcrowding in city’s. We need to expand our infrastructure.Wrong. Too many damn people here already. We should be handing out birth control to the entire world, but of course you know the GOP, must do the dumbass right wing religious thing, no matter how stupid.As many as are able. If they can come here and get a job or start a business and assimilate into our communities then that’s the American dream. More power to them and usHow many can from Mexico and their southern countries?
Yes, that land is where we grow food, raise animals, go for vacation to enjoy the beauty outside of the city. It's where a business may open up or perhaps an amusement park. You do know people multiply, right? Why do you want America to look like China in 100 years?
Do you honestly think those policy’s were designed and still supported so that illegal criminals can be protected? Be honestThose Are Exactly Who The Sanctuary Policies ProtectSlade3200 said:On the flip side there are also bad hombres that illegally cross the border so that should also be acknowledged.
I never said a word about shoplifting. Why is it so difficult for you to understand what I say? You keep making these incorrect interpretations of my statements. What’s the deal here?
Do you honestly think those policy’s were designed and still supported so that illegal criminals can be protected? Be honestThose Are Exactly Who The Sanctuary Policies ProtectSlade3200 said:On the flip side there are also bad hombres that illegally cross the border so that should also be acknowledged.
Doesn't Matter What I BelieveSlade3200 said:Do you honestly think those policy’s were designed and still supported so that illegal criminals can be protected? Be honest
My grandchildren with appreciate the greatness of our country and will be taught to give back as best they can. Those are the values that I was taught and that I teach. Not much to learn if you are always pissed off and complaining about how horrible things are when you are living in the greatest country on earth.There are two things that answer most of your questions.This is one of your dumber more ignorant posts Ray. You honestly think a party comprised of millions of white people are anti-white?! Get a clueIf he was a savvy politician he would be able to make a deal but he is using his NY bully strong arm tactics which is just going to pit his opponents against him in the strongest possible way. Yes the Dems will not give him a win because he has made this a hyperpartisan team sport situation.
No, the Democrats are not going to give him his way because they are the anti-white party and are trying tirelessly to make whites a minority in this country ASAP. A wall would work wonders and they know it. That's why they don't want it. It ruins their devious plan.
That's exactly what I think. Maybe you can change my mind! Answer this:
Why are Democrats fighting against the wall so hard they're even willing to have a government shutdown?
Why did the Democrat led Senate stop Kate's Law; a law that would have imprisoned deported felons if they returned?
Why are they fighting to keep their sanctuary cities and created sanctuary states after Trump got elected; you know, a state that allowed a police officer to get murdered and the Democrats could still care less?
Why do anti-white states give illegals drivers licenses, allow their kids to attend their schools, look the other way if they rent an apartment or house? Why are they trying to make it so comfortable for illegals they are even considering letting them vote in local elections?
Every other group outside of whites vote heavily Democrat. Once they get rid of whites, they have the ability to have a single-party country forever. Their white voters are like frogs in a pot of cold water on top of a stove. That's why they are trying to get rid of us. Once that happens, it will be the beginning of the end of the Great Experiment. We will quickly become Socialist, and then Communist.
1. Dems oppose trumps immigration policies mostly because of the harsh rhetoric that surrounds it. History shows Dems supporting border security, fencing, walls etc. so that’s not the source of their obstruction. It’s the stereotyping, demonizing, racism and xenophobia that has followed Trumps movement. Many Dems and free thinkers don’t want any part of that.
2. You see things like sancuary cities and outreach for illegal immigrants because sympathizers see desperate and poor people in search for a better life and they want to help them. You can’t deny that those people exist. On the flip side there are also bad hombres that illegally cross the border so that should also be acknowledged.
Both sides need to start being more honest with their arguments.
That goes double for you.
Nobody closes down the government because they don't like somebody. Democrats don't do a thing unless it benefits them. Don't believe me, look at California today. No, they were never tough on immigration. They have the same attitude you do; the more the merrier. Make it look like they care while turning their heads the other way.
As I clearly pointed out, they are doing everything possible to bring in and make these people comfortable living here illegally. Think it's because they are such nice people?
You better look at the man behind the curtain. The party who starts their gun control rant every mass shooting are the same people telling us don't let foreigners who murder Americans be the epitome of all illegals.
I don't have children therefore will have no grandchildren. But when my niece and nephew do, they can explain to them how their Uncle fought against the demise of this country. What will your grandchildren be asking of you?
The Midwest prairies have a lot of pretty much ghost towns. There is a theory about giving it back to the Indians and the bison.That’s not what I’m talking about. You are a truck driver Ray, you should know this better than most. There are ghost towns all over the USA. Manufacturing and rural America has shut down and migrated to the cities. You know I’m not talking about agg fields and national parks.I drive cross country all the time and all I see is open land. There aren’t too many people, there is just overcrowding in city’s. We need to expand our infrastructure.Wrong. Too many damn people here already. We should be handing out birth control to the entire world, but of course you know the GOP, must do the dumbass right wing religious thing, no matter how stupid.As many as are able. If they can come here and get a job or start a business and assimilate into our communities then that’s the American dream. More power to them and us
Yes, that land is where we grow food, raise animals, go for vacation to enjoy the beauty outside of the city. It's where a business may open up or perhaps an amusement park. You do know people multiply, right? Why do you want America to look like China in 100 years?
That's not my experience. I go to small towns all the time. People who live there open up their businesses there. Taxes are lower but transportation costs are higher. They make out better with lower taxes.
And you think that will take care of the problem?Our system is completely overwhelmed and not working. It needs reform.Who cares what other countries do. We have a broken system that isnt working so changes need to be made. I think that’s pretty obvious.Got it, except for to deal with 10s of millions of people and families who have been living and working here for years, a new system is going to have been formed. Arranging a mass exodus is not realistic.
Right, so they come here, break our laws, and because they have been here illegally, change our laws for them.
What other country would do this?
No, there is nothing wrong with our system. The system allows a million foreigners to become citizens every year. Our system hands out over 11,000 Visa's every year. Our system allows people to come here with Green Cards, work and earn money, and take our American dollars back home so they can live a better life.
Now we have to change our laws because the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigrants has to get more generous?
And Trump is reforming it. Stay out until your court date, and now anybody thinking of coming here will understand they will be treated the same way. No more Get Out Of Jail Free cards.
Don’t pretend like you know how they think and feel. That’s laughable.Addiction and desperation are two things stemming from the same sourceReally? Did it work with drugs and gangs?Again keep dreaming it’s not going to happen. Same tactic was tried with the “war on drugs” and look how that disaster turned out
Correct, it's not going to happen, that's why they keep coming.
A strong enough deterrent works every time it's tried.
No it didn't, but addiction means you can't stop yourself. Nobody is addicted to coming into the US illegally.
Nobody is desperate. They live in a shithole and are too lazy and cowardly to make any changes in their own countries. Why should that be our problem? If they were desperate, they would have accepted Mexico's asylum offers and forget about the USA. They want to come here because we did all the work they don't want to do in their country.
Did The War On Poverty Solve PovertySlade3200 said:And you think that will solve everything?
They are victims of the GOP War on Drugs and the GOP World depression of 2008, still going on there. It's about time we did something beside overturn their democratically elected governments and giving control to United fruit or whatever.Addiction and desperation are two things stemming from the same sourceReally? Did it work with drugs and gangs?Again keep dreaming it’s not going to happen. Same tactic was tried with the “war on drugs” and look how that disaster turned out
Correct, it's not going to happen, that's why they keep coming.
A strong enough deterrent works every time it's tried.
No it didn't, but addiction means you can't stop yourself. Nobody is addicted to coming into the US illegally.
Nobody is desperate. They live in a shithole and are too lazy and cowardly to make any changes in their own countries. Why should that be our problem? If they were desperate, they would have accepted Mexico's asylum offers and forget about the USA. They want to come here because we did all the work they don't want to do in their country.
Of course they do when they are inaccurateI never said a word about shoplifting. Why is it so difficult for you to understand what I say? You keep making these incorrect interpretations of my statements. What’s the deal here?
Analogies escape you don't they?
NoDid The War On Poverty Solve PovertySlade3200 said:And you think that will solve everything?
Drugs Are Their Only Gainful Employment....francoHFW said:They are victims of the GOP War on Drugs.
This is where your logic fails. To claim that millions of people want to destroy the country and protect criminals by letting them go free is just absurd. Your bias is blocking your reasoningDo you honestly think those policy’s were designed and still supported so that illegal criminals can be protected? Be honestThose Are Exactly Who The Sanctuary Policies ProtectSlade3200 said:On the flip side there are also bad hombres that illegally cross the border so that should also be acknowledged.
Yes, what do you think they are for?
Local governments forbid their officers from reporting criminal illegals in custody so ICE can escort them to jail. I remember a Mayor not long ago issued a warning to illegals that ICE was coming to town and they should hide.
It made a big difference, as opposed to what the GOP is doing to people now... Worst inequality and upward Mobility ever.Did The War On Poverty Solve PovertySlade3200 said:And you think that will solve everything?
Don’t pretend like you know how they think and feel. That’s laughable.Addiction and desperation are two things stemming from the same sourceReally? Did it work with drugs and gangs?Correct, it's not going to happen, that's why they keep coming.
A strong enough deterrent works every time it's tried.
No it didn't, but addiction means you can't stop yourself. Nobody is addicted to coming into the US illegally.
Nobody is desperate. They live in a shithole and are too lazy and cowardly to make any changes in their own countries. Why should that be our problem? If they were desperate, they would have accepted Mexico's asylum offers and forget about the USA. They want to come here because we did all the work they don't want to do in their country.
Illegals don't vote or get welfare, super duper. Actually California is our most successful State although New York is coming up. You have been totally brainwashed.
