Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

[AzogtheDefiler]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
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Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

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But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

But....

"I don’t dispute this may be the case, but the possibility of selection bias .."

Oh, boldly-argued!

She is showing deference. She is great. Very logical. You don't want this to work? You would rather have people die, Pedro?

And she doesn't dispute the findings. Do you?

You know, you can keep your silly attempts to assign motivations or emotions to me. You're not qualified.

She certainly questions them and I do as well because everything else I have read says it does work and you can find numerous actual stories from recovered persons on the web, Miguel.

Anecdotes abound.

Actual stories. So you're saying those people are lying? Terrific.

I'm saying they're anecdotes, not evidence. On the subject, do you vouch for those actual stories? Do you know them by name and reputation?

I certainly do. Why would a Democrat rep thank Trump?

Explain it.

Democratic state lawmaker thanks Trump and hydroxychloroquine for recovery from coronavirus

Michigan Democratic state Rep. Karen Whitsett credited hydroxychloroquine and President Trump for her speedy recovery from COVID-19, according to the Detroit Free Press.Hydroxychloroquine, an anti-…

thehill.com

I suspect she wasn't happy she didn't die. Any fool will cast about in a time of stress. Maybe it helped her, and maybe not. You do know it's still anecdotal, don't you?

So when it doesn't fit your narrative that person is a "fool".

LMAO

If I am playing a sport and get winded. I drink Gatorade and I am not as winded. I need an actual study to show Gatorade helps or may I just use common sense? In her case the missing variable was the Hydrox. She used it and it helped. Sometimes 2+2=4. Don't overthink it, Pedro.

"Any fool will cast about in a time of stress" is a quote from a favorite movie. You're about the most delicate, sensitive defiler I ever saw.

To the point, you do know it's still anecdotal, don't you?

Your attempt at a Gatorade analogy doesn't create a transferable cause and effect to hydroxychloroquinine, but any fool would know that.

Except there are numerous stories such as hers and you just dismiss them because they don't fit your narrative.

Put it this way. My wife is on her deathbed, I tell the MD to give it to her. So I stand behind that I believe it does help many people and the side effect? Who cares, you're dead if you don't try it.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
snip
Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

------------------------------------------------

But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

Silver lining is that the Snake Oil Salesman in Chief and his primary science and medical advisors Dr Phil, Dr Oz, and Lady Laura will shut the hell up about their beloved Miracle Trump Cure.

Maybe when you are on the deathbed with the COVID-19 virus, and you have the options to take the meds or not, please dont take the meds. Do US all a favor.

 

[joaquinmiller]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
snip
Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

------------------------------------------------

But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

But....

"I don’t dispute this may be the case, but the possibility of selection bias .."

Oh, boldly-argued!

She is showing deference. She is great. Very logical. You don't want this to work? You would rather have people die, Pedro?

And she doesn't dispute the findings. Do you?

You know, you can keep your silly attempts to assign motivations or emotions to me. You're not qualified.

She certainly questions them and I do as well because everything else I have read says it does work and you can find numerous actual stories from recovered persons on the web, Miguel.

Anecdotes abound.

Actual stories. So you're saying those people are lying? Terrific.

I'm saying they're anecdotes, not evidence. On the subject, do you vouch for those actual stories? Do you know them by name and reputation?

I certainly do. Why would a Democrat rep thank Trump?

Explain it.

Democratic state lawmaker thanks Trump and hydroxychloroquine for recovery from coronavirus

Michigan Democratic state Rep. Karen Whitsett credited hydroxychloroquine and President Trump for her speedy recovery from COVID-19, according to the Detroit Free Press.Hydroxychloroquine, an anti-…

thehill.com

I suspect she wasn't happy she didn't die. Any fool will cast about in a time of stress. Maybe it helped her, and maybe not. You do know it's still anecdotal, don't you?

So when it doesn't fit your narrative that person is a "fool".

LMAO

If I am playing a sport and get winded. I drink Gatorade and I am not as winded. I need an actual study to show Gatorade helps or may I just use common sense? In her case the missing variable was the Hydrox. She used it and it helped. Sometimes 2+2=4. Don't overthink it, Pedro.

"Any fool will cast about in a time of stress" is a quote from a favorite movie. You're about the most delicate, sensitive defiler I ever saw.

To the point, you do know it's still anecdotal, don't you?

Your attempt at a Gatorade analogy doesn't create a transferable cause and effect to hydroxychloroquinine, but any fool would know that.

Except there are numerous stories such as hers and you just dismiss them because they don't fit your narrative.

Put it this way. My wife is on her deathbed, I tell the MD to give it to her. So I stand behind that I believe it does help many people and the side effect? Who cares, you're dead if you don't try it.

Remind me of this the next time you try to demand a Yes or No answer from anyone.

 

[JoeMoma]

This thread is about a study that was not favorable to Hydorxychloroquine. Great. We are learning more about the drug. There have been other studies that show more favorably for the use of Hydorxychoroquine. The beef that others have had with the favorable studies is that they were not full blown double blind clinical trials. Well, the study that this thread is about also was not a full double blind clinical trial either.

let's be honest here, lots of people are rooting against Hydroxychloroquine because Trump spoke hopefully that the drug would work, maybe even be a game changer. If Trump said good words about it, that means the anti-Trump crowd has to root against it. I personally hope that many doctors come up with procedures and doses of using Hydroxchloroquine and/or other drugs that are very effective fighting the Covid-19 Virus. It should not be a matter of liking or disliking Trump. Let's leave it in the hands of the medical doctors.

 

[DrLove]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
snip
Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

------------------------------------------------

But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

Silver lining is that the Snake Oil Salesman in Chief and his primary science and medical advisors Dr Phil, Dr Oz, and Lady Laura will shut the hell up about their beloved Miracle Trump Cure.

Maybe when you are on the deathbed with the COVID-19 virus, and you have the options to take the meds or not, please dont take the meds. Do US all a favor.

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Thanks I won't since I'd be more likely to DIE with the magical Trump cure.
And please take your own advice

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

We obviously need more trial studies on the drug

Oh yeah? Because just yesterday you said the drug works.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There have been other studies that show more favorably for the use of Hydorxychoroquine.

No, there haven't.

 

[Muhammed]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
snip
Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

------------------------------------------------

But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

Don't take it then. Wear a mask wherever you go. You'll feel better, and look better.

Better to do both.

And take hydoxychloroquine with zinc. One of the HCQ's 3 known mechanisms of action against the virus is due to it being a zinc ionophore. It facilitates the entry zinc ions into your type 2 pnuemocytes, thus raising the Ph which interrupts the virus' replication. It will not work as a zinc ionophore if no zinc is present.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But you were ragging on an anti-trumper and you didn’t even know it.

Because i find that to be irrelevant. Unlike trump cultists, i do not view the world through this lens. Seems to me you need to send the child president your memo. 6 weeks ago.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And take hydoxychloroquine with zinc

Because you are gullible.

 

[Jitss617]

YOU MORON! This study was done on older men with pre-existing conditions, that already had tubes down there throats! Lol STOP YOUR FAKE NEWS YOU MORON!

Many people who test positive have pre-existing conditions already. Many also older men. If they're hospitalized, then that means things aren't going so well. How does that negate this study?

If you’re talking about this study in particular we are talking about the majority of them having pre-existing conditions all of them were older men and some of them already had tubes down there throat that is not a good indication of this drug. Lol
Now give me a study of both men and women preconditions and not preconditions all ages that is a legitimate study not this one..

Why? That would have more variables in it.

Show me the "experts" who are telling you this information.

Ohh this study was just for men that were dying anyway lol ok hahaha

Is that what the "experts" are saying or are you just intentionally avoiding my question?

Yes the study was reviewed by doc Oz. It was debunked

Link please.

I watched live

I'm guessing on Fox, right? You just waited for someone on Fox news to tell you what you already think.

No a qualified doctor reviewed the study and said this was 19 old man with pre-existing conditions some of them had tubes down their throat already.. I like the facts and nothing but the facts

I just watched it. On Fox News. I knew it.

He didn't say there was an issue with testing on old men with pre-existing conditions. You just made that part up.

Of course he did . 4:56 mark

Link please.

lol you said you just watched it haha

Different video apparently. Mine only has 3 minutes and he didn't say that.

Why don't you just post the link? I think you're lying.

It’s been debunked.. why continue it?

You're lying. Post the link.

Fake news alert it was debunked this morning

Still no link supporting your claim. You're full of shit and you're dismissed.

See ya.

You said you saw it

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

But you were ragging on an anti-trumper and you didn’t even know it.

Because i find that to be irrelevant. Unlike trump cultists, i do not view the world through this lens. Seems to me you need to send the child president your memo. 6 weeks ago.

No, you dwell on TDS.
You’re a hypocrite.

 

[Muhammed]

And take hydoxychloroquine with zinc. One of the HCQ's 3 known mechanisms of action against the virus is due to it being a zinc ionophore. It facilitates the entry zinc ions into your type 2 pnuemocytes, thus raising the Ph which interrupts the virus' replication. It will not work as a zinc ionophore if no zinc is present.

Because you are gullible.

No, because that's the way it works, you imbecile. Please explain your theory to the forum regarding how HCQ could work as a zinc ionophore if there is no zinc in the first place.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

But you were ragging on an anti-trumper and you didn’t even know it.

Because i find that to be irrelevant. Unlike trump cultists, i do not view the world through this lens. Seems to me you need to send the child president your memo. 6 weeks ago.

No, you dwell on TDS.
You’re a hypocrite.

And you dwell on the smell of trumps mouth farts. Because you are a brainwashed cultist. Now we are clear.

So, back to the material...looks like the child president got fooled by a fraud. Funny, the fraud didn't fool everyone. I wonder why trump and his cult got fooled unanimously, while scientists generally did not? Haha, no i dont...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, because that's the way it works

False. You have not a shred of good evidence for that. You have been fooled by your cult leader. You really need to come to terms with this.

 

[Jitss617]

Been debunked why do we continue?

 

[Muhammed]

No, because that's the way it works, you imbecile. Please explain your theory to the forum regarding how HCQ could work as a zinc ionophore if there is no zinc in the first place.

False. You have not a shred of good evidence for that. You have been fooled by your cult leader. You really need to come to terms with this.

You are dodging the question again, you TDS afflicted DAN.

Seems to me that you are dodging the microbiology questions. Why do you suppose that is? Could it be that you know absolutely nothing about microbiology or science in general?

Hmmmm

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Seems to me that you are dodging the microbiology questions. Why do you suppose that is?

Because i am ignoring your pathetic red herrings, which are an attempt by you to talk about anything but the fact that you have zero evidence that those medicines are effective against covid19. Your tactics are older than dirt, and they wont work on me. Go try to beguile someone else with your 10 minutes of Google "research". When you are done with amateur hour, come see me, and we can further discuss how you have zero evidence and have been fooled by wishful thinking.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
snip
Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study

President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.

www.marketwatch.com

------------------------------------------------

But its not peer reviewed. Facts are facts, tramp should of never recommended it for days and days endless times, he quit talking about it a few days ago, I wonder why??

But....

"I don’t dispute this may be the case, but the possibility of selection bias .."

Oh, boldly-argued!

She is showing deference. She is great. Very logical. You don't want this to work? You would rather have people die, Pedro?

And she doesn't dispute the findings. Do you?

You know, you can keep your silly attempts to assign motivations or emotions to me. You're not qualified.

She certainly questions them and I do as well because everything else I have read says it does work and you can find numerous actual stories from recovered persons on the web, Miguel.

Anecdotes abound.

Actual stories. So you're saying those people are lying? Terrific.

I'm saying they're anecdotes, not evidence. On the subject, do you vouch for those actual stories? Do you know them by name and reputation?

I certainly do. Why would a Democrat rep thank Trump?

Explain it.

Democratic state lawmaker thanks Trump and hydroxychloroquine for recovery from coronavirus

Michigan Democratic state Rep. Karen Whitsett credited hydroxychloroquine and President Trump for her speedy recovery from COVID-19, according to the Detroit Free Press.Hydroxychloroquine, an anti-…

thehill.com

I suspect she wasn't happy she didn't die. Any fool will cast about in a time of stress. Maybe it helped her, and maybe not. You do know it's still anecdotal, don't you?

So when it doesn't fit your narrative that person is a "fool".

LMAO

If I am playing a sport and get winded. I drink Gatorade and I am not as winded. I need an actual study to show Gatorade helps or may I just use common sense? In her case the missing variable was the Hydrox. She used it and it helped. Sometimes 2+2=4. Don't overthink it, Pedro.

"Any fool will cast about in a time of stress" is a quote from a favorite movie. You're about the most delicate, sensitive defiler I ever saw.

To the point, you do know it's still anecdotal, don't you?

Your attempt at a Gatorade analogy doesn't create a transferable cause and effect to hydroxychloroquinine, but any fool would know that.

Except there are numerous stories such as hers and you just dismiss them because they don't fit your narrative.

Put it this way. My wife is on her deathbed, I tell the MD to give it to her. So I stand behind that I believe it does help many people and the side effect? Who cares, you're dead if you don't try it.

Remind me of this the next time you try to demand a Yes or No answer from anyone.

When did you demand that?

 

[Muhammed]

Seems to me that you are dodging the microbiology questions. Why do you suppose that is?

Because i am ignoring your pathetic red herrings, which are an attempt by you to talk about anything but the fact that you have zero evidence that those medicines are effective against covid19. Your tactics are older than dirt, and they wont work on me. Go try to beguile someone else with your 10 minutes of Google "research". When you are done with amateur hour, come see me, and we can further discuss how you have zero evidence and have been fooled by wishful thinking.

That's a bullshit excuse. Your're still dodging the questions. And everyone knows it's because you haven't the slightest fucking clue what you are talking about. It's all way the fuck over your head.

You are the poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Your concession that you cannot answer any microbiology questions is accepted.