"I don't care!" if trump is a criminal!

[The Purge]

We are on the road to impeachment!

Probably, but not removal.

Good. Because Republicans are going to get slam dunked during the next election. Working to keep a criminal in office. Clinton lied about getting a BJ. Trump lied about criminal activity. A BJ is not criminal activity.
You have to admit though, it is hilarious that Republicans insist that Clinton’s BJ was way worse than trumps criminal activity.

But LYING to a court got him disbarred

trump can't go to court ,,,will tell so many lies they might execute him

Hell you would be dead already....ROTFLMFAO

 

[Synthaholic]

To be fair, cohen was lying for trump.
This time he isnt.

Yup, now he's lying for damage control.

Trying to save his Marriage....

Mueller threatened his wife with 30 years behind bars.

Jo

^^^ lying wingnut ^^^

 

[The Purge]

Obviously Cohen was told he would get a lighter sentence if his testimony leads to Trump's impeachment. It won't.

Probably not, no. On the other hand his three years would massively expand if he lies at this point, with all the evidence Mueller and the SDNY has. So while he has no incentive to lie he has buckets of incentive not to.

Cohen can get his sentence reduced IF HE IS HELPFUL TO THE PROSECUTION. Lying to them and Congress will hurt, not help the prosecution.

Wingnuts here either have their head in the sand or, like Meister, are just too damn stupid.

Save his wife 30 years in jail.....ask your wife if you should go 2 years longer or her for 30 years....Morons to the left of me!

 

[The Purge]

To be fair, cohen was lying for trump.
This time he isnt.

Yup, now he's lying for damage control.

Trying to save his Marriage....

Mueller threatened his wife with 30 years behind bars.

Jo

^^^ lying wingnut ^^^

Anti-American socialist!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

you have something bad to say about BJ's?

Apparently YOU need to do more!

Apparently YOU need to do more!

Dope.

How Michael Cohen broke campaign finance law

PBS....MORE FAKE NEWS!!!!.....ROTFLMFAO.....

He's convicted of it, dope.

Wrong ...tax fraud and lying to congresd

Campaign finance violations as well, dope.

From the link I already gave you......

"Michael Cohen was sentenced to 36 months in prison on Wednesday, in part for "brazen violations of the election laws" when he orchestrated hush money payments on behalf of President Donald Trump during the 2016 election, according to federal prosecutors.

Earlier this year Cohen pleaded guilty to violating campaign finance law and other offenses as part of a plea agreement with the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan."

How Michael Cohen broke campaign finance law

 

[jc456]

If Trump broke the law, he should be held accountable.

What laws did he break? What will the charges be?

Campaign-finance laws are about “a thing of value“.
When Trump squashed the information about his intimacies with porn stars and playboy bunnies by paying them and threatening them then he’s keeping information away from the American people that could change the outcome of the election. A thing of value.
And he did it to change the election. And then he created shell companies to secretly pay them so they couldn’t trace the money back to Donald Trump.
Keeping this information from the American people is a felony. Because it changed the outcome of an election. And that’s only the most obvious one. There’s all the ethical stuff too, that they barely looked at.

Campaign finance law infringements are a painless wrist slap for candidates. Duhhh!

Campaign finance law infringements are a painless wrist slap for candidates. Duhhh!

Except Cohen has been convicted of it, dope.
He's named Trump as a co conspirator. He provided the reimbursement checks as evidence.

But there is no proof that the check is actually a reimbursement check that's just his word against Trump's

There's also no proof it's a "retainer for services". Which is why they can't show a retainer agreement. There isn't one.

Now if you're putting out a steady stream of $35000 checks, eleven or whatever it is, that's going to raise questions about what that''s for. At the very minimum with IRS. If that's a retainer fee, fine, show the contract. If not --- what is it?

why not? he admitted he was his personal lawyer. One would pay for services from a lawyer. what you don't have and it actually doesn't matter, but you don't have it was a payment for hush money. show me where it says that? see evidence actually has to be evidence to be useful for something. And since Cohen stated that Trump told him he wouldn't win, any hush money would mean it was to keep silent from wife. can't be both ways. ooops, again, he was great for trump yesterday, thanks dems.

 

[froggy]

Obviously Cohen was told he would get a lighter sentence if his testimony leads to Trump's impeachment. It won't.

Probably not, no. On the other hand his three years would massively expand if he lies at this point, with all the evidence Mueller and the SDNY has. So while he has no incentive to lie he has buckets of incentive not to.

Cohen can get his sentence reduced IF HE IS HELPFUL TO THE PROSECUTION. Lying to them and Congress will hurt, not help the prosecution.

Wingnuts here either have their head in the sand or, like Meister, are just too damn stupid.

He said if he helps the prosecutors in Manhattan's Southern District get something legit to investigate he will get a reduced sentence. That's why some of the questions he was asked he could not answer.

 

[The Purge]

If Trump broke the law, he should be held accountable.

What laws did he break? What will the charges be?

Campaign-finance laws are about “a thing of value“.
When Trump squashed the information about his intimacies with porn stars and playboy bunnies by paying them and threatening them then he’s keeping information away from the American people that could change the outcome of the election. A thing of value.
And he did it to change the election. And then he created shell companies to secretly pay them so they couldn’t trace the money back to Donald Trump.
Keeping this information from the American people is a felony. Because it changed the outcome of an election. And that’s only the most obvious one. There’s all the ethical stuff too, that they barely looked at.

Campaign finance law infringements are a painless wrist slap for candidates. Duhhh!

Campaign finance law infringements are a painless wrist slap for candidates. Duhhh!

Except Cohen has been convicted of it, dope.
He's named Trump as a co conspirator. He provided the reimbursement checks as evidence.

But there is no proof that the check is actually a reimbursement check that's just his word against Trump's

There's also no proof it's a "retainer for services". Which is why they can't show a retainer agreement. There isn't one.

Now if you're putting out a steady stream of $35000 checks, eleven or whatever it is, that's going to raise questions about what that''s for. At the very minimum with IRS. If that's a retainer fee, fine, show the contract. If not --- what is it?

Verbal contract between long time relationship. ...so easy!

 

[Pogo]

To be fair, cohen was lying for trump.
This time he isnt.

Yup, now he's lying for damage control.

Trying to save his Marriage....

Mueller threatened his wife with 30 years behind bars.

Jo

^^^ lying wingnut ^^^

Anti-American socialist!

One thing you can tell on this forum! About the wags who end every sentence with an exclamation point! That's because their usual reading material is comic books!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So a bitter 4 felony convicted criminal on his way to prison bad mouths his ex boss.

Yep, sounds like grounds for impeachment to me. ...

His"boss" was directly involved in one of those felonies, dope.

Directly involved? No. Cohen simply lied/misinformed as to how long he worked on the possible joint venture building project in Russia. Read the plea deal. And, by the way, he needn’t have lied, as doing business in Russia is not against the law.
AMERICAN COMPANIES OPERATING IN RUSSIA | Association of Accredited Public Policy Advocates to the European Union
In total there are almost 3,000 American companies in Russia, and the U.S. is also the leader in terms of foreign companies in Special Economic Zones, with 11 projects.

American Companies Thriving In Russia: Is There Something To Be Ashamed About?
Aug 03, 2016 · American Companies Thriving In Russia: Is There Something To Be Ashamed About? Kenneth Rapoza ... Boeing and the Ural Federal University for joint research and developmentprojects.

I'm talking about the payment and campaign finance violation, dope.

Stormy Daniels Ordered to Pay Trump $293000 in Legal Fees
The New York Times
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Dec 11, 2018 · A federal judge on Tuesday ordered the pornographic film actress Stormy Daniels to pay President Trump about $293,000 in legal fees

So? Your point?

 

[jc456]

If Trump broke the law, he should be held accountable.

What laws did he break? What will the charges be?

Campaign-finance laws are about “a thing of value“.
When Trump squashed the information about his intimacies with porn stars and playboy bunnies by paying them and threatening them then he’s keeping information away from the American people that could change the outcome of the election. A thing of value.
And he did it to change the election. And then he created shell companies to secretly pay them so they couldn’t trace the money back to Donald Trump.
Keeping this information from the American people is a felony. Because it changed the outcome of an election. And that’s only the most obvious one. There’s all the ethical stuff too, that they barely looked at.

Campaign finance law infringements are a painless wrist slap for candidates. Duhhh!

Campaign finance law infringements are a painless wrist slap for candidates. Duhhh!

Except Cohen has been convicted of it, dope.
He's named Trump as a co conspirator. He provided the reimbursement checks as evidence.

But there is no proof that the check is actually a reimbursement check that's just his word against Trump's

There's also no proof it's a "retainer for services". Which is why they can't show a retainer agreement. There isn't one.

Now if you're putting out a steady stream of $35000 checks, eleven or whatever it is, that's going to raise questions about what that''s for. At the very minimum with IRS. If that's a retainer fee, fine, show the contract. If not --- what is it?

the IRS would want to know what?

 

[Synthaholic]

If Trump broke the law, he should be held accountable.

What laws did he break? What will the charges be?

Insurance fraud
Bank fraud
Campaign finance laws
Money laundering
Lying on his written answers to Mueller

That’s just what we found out today. And financial crimes have a 10 year statute of limitations, not 5 years. As for the others, if Mueller indeed has filed a sealed indictment Trump cannot run out the clock.

In the various post mortems I've been reading, it sounds like Cohen didn't provide anything directly actionable, but did plant enough of a seed that further investigations based on his testimony may end up yielding something that could stick legally.
.

I forgot to add tax fraud to that list, Mac.

The insurance fraud was something no talking head has ever brought up as far as I know. That’s a new one, courtesy of the supposedly “stupid” Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is just been fantastic in these Committee hearings she has participated in.

I think Cohen provided a little more public understanding of the road map. Of course, nothing he said yesterday will help prosecutors - they already know everything Cohen testified to.

 

[jc456]

To be fair, cohen was lying for trump.
This time he isnt.

Yup, now he's lying for damage control.

Trying to save his Marriage....

Mueller threatened his wife with 30 years behind bars.

Jo

^^^ lying wingnut ^^^

Anti-American socialist!

One thing you can tell on this forum! About the wags who end every sentence with an exclamation point! That's because their usual reading material is comic books!

at least it isn't a manifest from the lying demoloser party like your reading material.

 

[The Purge]

To be fair, cohen was lying for trump.
This time he isnt.

Yup, now he's lying for damage control.

Trying to save his Marriage....

Mueller threatened his wife with 30 years behind bars.

Jo

^^^ lying wingnut ^^^

Anti-American socialist!

One thing you can tell on this forum! About the wags who end every sentence with an exclamation point! That's because their usual reading material is comic books!

Yes I read YOUR POSTS all the time for the comedy!!!

 

[jc456]

If Trump broke the law, he should be held accountable.

What laws did he break? What will the charges be?

Insurance fraud
Bank fraud
Campaign finance laws
Money laundering
Lying on his written answers to Mueller

That’s just what we found out today. And financial crimes have a 10 year statute of limitations, not 5 years. As for the others, if Mueller indeed has filed a sealed indictment Trump cannot run out the clock.

In the various post mortems I've been reading, it sounds like Cohen didn't provide anything directly actionable, but did plant enough of a seed that further investigations based on his testimony may end up yielding something that could stick legally.
.

I forgot to add tax fraud to that list, Mac.

The insurance fraud was something no talking head has ever brought up as far as I know. That’s a new one, courtesy of the supposedly “stupid” Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is just been fantastic in these Committee hearings she has participated in.

I think Cohen provided a little more public understanding of the road map. Of course, nothing he said yesterday will help prosecutors - they already know everything Cohen testified to.

Mr. Cohen, did trump tell you not to report 4 million dollars to the IRS? Cohen.....NO!!

not sure what you're talking about. Under oath.

 

[froggy]

If Trump broke the law, he should be held accountable.

What laws did he break? What will the charges be?

Campaign-finance laws are about “a thing of value“.
When Trump squashed the information about his intimacies with porn stars and playboy bunnies by paying them and threatening them then he’s keeping information away from the American people that could change the outcome of the election. A thing of value.
And he did it to change the election. And then he created shell companies to secretly pay them so they couldn’t trace the money back to Donald Trump.
Keeping this information from the American people is a felony. Because it changed the outcome of an election. And that’s only the most obvious one. There’s all the ethical stuff too, that they barely looked at.

Campaign finance law infringements are a painless wrist slap for candidates. Duhhh!

Campaign finance law infringements are a painless wrist slap for candidates. Duhhh!

Except Cohen has been convicted of it, dope.
He's named Trump as a co conspirator. He provided the reimbursement checks as evidence.

But there is no proof that the check is actually a reimbursement check that's just his word against Trump's

There's also no proof it's a "retainer for services". Which is why they can't show a retainer agreement. There isn't one.

Now if you're putting out a steady stream of $35000 checks, eleven or whatever it is, that's going to raise questions about what that''s for. At the very minimum with IRS. If that's a retainer fee, fine, show the contract. If not --- what is it?

Since he has about 12 of them it could be $35,000 a month his paycheck

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If Trump broke the law, he should be held accountable.

What laws did he break? What will the charges be?

Campaign-finance laws are about “a thing of value“.
When Trump squashed the information about his intimacies with porn stars and playboy bunnies by paying them and threatening them then he’s keeping information away from the American people that could change the outcome of the election. A thing of value.
And he did it to change the election. And then he created shell companies to secretly pay them so they couldn’t trace the money back to Donald Trump.
Keeping this information from the American people is a felony. Because it changed the outcome of an election. And that’s only the most obvious one. There’s all the ethical stuff too, that they barely looked at.

Campaign finance law infringements are a painless wrist slap for candidates. Duhhh!

Campaign finance law infringements are a painless wrist slap for candidates. Duhhh!

Except Cohen has been convicted of it, dope.
He's named Trump as a co conspirator. He provided the reimbursement checks as evidence.

But there is no proof that the check is actually a reimbursement check that's just his word against Trump's

That comes when the signatories testify under oath. Weisselberg would be my choice. He already has immunity in these matters.

 

[The Purge]

Cohen DENIED job in WH where he would supposedly SELL HIS INFLUENCE to foreign entities. ...DENIED ... BOY was he pissed according to NY sentencing statement.

 

[jc456]

If Trump broke the law, he should be held accountable.

What laws did he break? What will the charges be?

Insurance fraud
Bank fraud
Campaign finance laws
Money laundering
Lying on his written answers to Mueller

That’s just what we found out today. And financial crimes have a 10 year statute of limitations, not 5 years. As for the others, if Mueller indeed has filed a sealed indictment Trump cannot run out the clock.

In the various post mortems I've been reading, it sounds like Cohen didn't provide anything directly actionable, but did plant enough of a seed that further investigations based on his testimony may end up yielding something that could stick legally.
.

I forgot to add tax fraud to that list, Mac.

The insurance fraud was something no talking head has ever brought up as far as I know. That’s a new one, courtesy of the supposedly “stupid” Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is just been fantastic in these Committee hearings she has participated in.

I think Cohen provided a little more public understanding of the road map. Of course, nothing he said yesterday will help prosecutors - they already know everything Cohen testified to.

close your eyes and hold your tail and repeat, it's gotta be true, it's gotta be true, it's gotta be true, it's gotta be true, it's gotta be true, it's gotta be true, it's gotta be true, it's gotta be true,,....LOL

 

[Hutch Starskey]

So a bitter 4 felony convicted criminal on his way to prison bad mouths his ex boss.

Yep, sounds like grounds for impeachment to me. ...

His"boss" was directly involved in one of those felonies, dope.

Directly involved? No. Cohen simply lied/misinformed as to how long he worked on the possible joint venture building project in Russia. Read the plea deal. And, by the way, he needn’t have lied, as doing business in Russia is not against the law.
AMERICAN COMPANIES OPERATING IN RUSSIA | Association of Accredited Public Policy Advocates to the European Union
In total there are almost 3,000 American companies in Russia, and the U.S. is also the leader in terms of foreign companies in Special Economic Zones, with 11 projects.

American Companies Thriving In Russia: Is There Something To Be Ashamed About?
Aug 03, 2016 · American Companies Thriving In Russia: Is There Something To Be Ashamed About? Kenneth Rapoza ... Boeing and the Ural Federal University for joint research and developmentprojects.

I'm talking about the payment and campaign finance violation, dope.

that was a rule 35 add. go look up rule 35. he pleaded guilty for a lighter sentence on campaign finance claim, that wasn't illegal. Rule 35.

Rule 35. Correcting or Reducing a Sentence

"(b) Reducing a Sentence for Substantial Assistance.

(1) In General. Upon the government's motion made within one year of sentencing, the court may reduce a sentence if the defendant, after sentencing, provided substantial assistance in investigating or prosecuting another person.

(2) Later Motion. Upon the government's motion made more than one year after sentencing, the court may reduce a sentence if the defendant's substantial assistance involved:

(A) information not known to the defendant until one year or more after sentencing;

(B) information provided by the defendant to the government within one year of sentencing, but which did not become useful to the government until more than one year after sentencing; or

(C) information the usefulness of which could not reasonably have been anticipated by the defendant until more than one year after sentencing and which was promptly provided to the government after its usefulness was reasonably apparent to the defendant."

Huh?

WTF are you trying to say?