I don't understand why republicans reject both a minimum wage hike and welfare for the poor

[The Rabbi]

Find a way to make it work?

Yes, as they and every other business has done every time the MW has been raised over the last 77 years.

Got any data for me yet on that?

A raise is one thing. Doubling it is another.
And you still haven't said what you'd do for all those people who worked to get to that point?
You'd be screwing them over royally.

I'm not an advocate of the $15 deal.
I support what Obama suggested in his 2013 SOTU. Increase to $9 immediately to bring MW back to the average it was at for fifty years and later bring it up to $10 indexed to inflation. I don't know how you all could argue that it's somehow better to have lower wages today than forty years ago.
As far as other wage levels, they will be adjusted as well to maintain separation.
MW was designed to put upward pressure on wages. That's exactly what it does. In a world where wage growth has all but stagnated in the last decade, a little upward push is needed.

The min wage was raised in 2009. Where are all the jobs that produced? The very opposite happened. There was stagnation and lack of job growth. Obviously not all of that was from min wage, but some of it surely was.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome.

Who claimed MW was designed to create jobs?
I would say it's meant to add value to your job.

Now, when will you show me the trickle-down jobs gains data from a decade of Bush tax cuts? You all have had a few years to get them out there.

How does increasing the MW add value to the job? It's the opposite. It detracts value because it's an added expense to the business.
You've never run a business, have you?

 

[The Rabbi]

"I don't understand why republicans reject both a minimum wage hike and welfare for the poor"

Because it conflicts with failed, ridiculous conservative dogma – the 'disincentive' myth in particular.

First off, no Republican rejects welfare for the poor.
Second, what "disincentive myth" are you talking about? Do you really think paying people not to work does not encourage people not to work?

 

[The Rabbi]

So, in your pinhead somebody aspiring to make a career out of a mindless, zero skill job isn't a problem? You lefties are such simpletons.

Not a career but a stepping stone to something better. Kind of hard to move foreward if you work full time and still need food assistance to get by.

get a second job, thats what I did when I was young. Stop the whining and begging and self pity, and get off your ass and take responsibility for yourself.

I last worked a MW job

So, in your pinhead somebody aspiring to make a career out of a mindless, zero skill job isn't a problem? You lefties are such simpletons.

Not a career but a stepping stone to something better. Kind of hard to move foreward if you work full time and still need food assistance to get by.

get a second job, thats what I did when I was young. Stop the whining and begging and self pity, and get off your ass and take responsibility for yourself.

I last worked a MW job 32 years ago while in HS. At that time every cashier or stocker anywhere you went was a HS kid. Not so much today. Who do you see working the register at the grocery store or any retail store? Not kids. You all need to stop recalling your success with MW and look realistically at how and who MW affects. Times have changed.

Why do you suppose that is? It isnt that there are no jobs for those people. It's that you have people who are worth 10/hr, people worth 8/hr, people worth 5/hr and people worth 2/hr. But if you set the minimum at 10/hr you'll only hire people who are worth 10/hr. The people worth less than that wont get hired at all. Which is whyyou dont see them working at those jobs anymore.

Who the fuck decides, objectively, what workers are worth? You are so dumb.

This logic isn't hard to grasp: if an employee is a shitty worker, you fire them. If they do their job well and work full time, you pay them a wage they can actually live off of. Problem solved you ass clown.

Who decides? The employer. Or should. Of course in the Billy Triple Fail universe big daddy government decides who's worth what.
And since you've never employed anything more than your hand to jerk off with you have no idea how employers operate.

 

[The Rabbi]

get a second job, thats what I did when I was young. Stop the whining and begging and self pity, and get off your ass and take responsibility for yourself.

I last worked a MW job

get a second job, thats what I did when I was young. Stop the whining and begging and self pity, and get off your ass and take responsibility for yourself.

I last worked a MW job 32 years ago while in HS. At that time every cashier or stocker anywhere you went was a HS kid. Not so much today. Who do you see working the register at the grocery store or any retail store? Not kids. You all need to stop recalling your success with MW and look realistically at how and who MW affects. Times have changed.

Why do you suppose that is? It isnt that there are no jobs for those people. It's that you have people who are worth 10/hr, people worth 8/hr, people worth 5/hr and people worth 2/hr. But if you set the minimum at 10/hr you'll only hire people who are worth 10/hr. The people worth less than that wont get hired at all. Which is whyyou dont see them working at those jobs anymore.

Who the fuck decides, objectively, what workers are worth? You are so dumb.

This logic isn't hard to grasp: if an employee is a shitty worker, you fire them. If they do their job well and work full time, you pay them a wage they can actually live off of. Problem solved you ass clown.

Actually the way it works is that if they are a great employee YOU PROMOTE THEM! The people that STAY at entry level jobs don't do them well! That's why they're stuck where they are.

Gee and as usual in the today's market, a promotion leads to little in pay increase. America has the worse wage mobility in the entire developed world. These are facts. Learn them

That's why people never try to get promotions, right?
You are truly a triple fail.

 

[The Rabbi]

I'm beginning to wonder if some of you people have ever worked at a real job. Seriously...

We have. That's why we see the disadvantages.

No, you never have. Or if you did you were fired for gross incompetence. That much is obvious from your posts.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I'm beginning to wonder if some of you people have ever worked at a real job. Seriously...

We have. That's why we see the disadvantages.

Only if you're one of the losers who never gets promoted, Billy! Is that you? Is that why you want a higher minimum wage so doggone badly? I've got news for ya', little buddy...that minimum wage raise you think is going to make your life so much easier...has the very real potential to make it much worse. The people who are going to be let go if you raised the minimum wage are those same losers that aren't promotable. That's a common sense concept.

That's the problem with you cons. You think one's experience is the only thing that dictates one's political philosophy, That's how it is with you people, sure. You have no concept of empathy or any sense of a collective mindset. Your philosophy is "I got mine. Fuck the rest."

No, actually I am quite comfortable in my job.

Your final point is probably your dumbest. Low wage jobs are in high demand by both hard working and lazy people. One's wage hardly reflects their work ethic anymore,. That is the nature of today's economy. You're living in the past. 1.000,000 people applied for 50,000 McDonald's jobs last year. The average person making minmum wage (local, state, and federal) is 35 years old.

You see how I give you facts and all you give me is rambling?

The minimum wage protects people from being taken advantage of by their super rich boss. If there wasn't a minimum wage some people would be paid pennies per hour as they are in southern Asia! While the rich pig would be making big bang on your hard work...The minimum wage and the workers rights laws here in America make it impossible for the rich to screw the worker as hard as they would love to do.

You on the far right for some reason would love to see us join the third world? Where half or more of the country would be working for piss water. The huge difference between a third world shit hole and a first world nation is the fact that the first world nation allows the other 99% to make some of the profit.

It is not the year 1902,idiot, more fear mongering by the left , does that happen in a countrys such as Finland, Denmark, Italy, Sweden? Are they third world countries? You just don't like people working for less, AGAIN why do liberals want it raised on The federal level, when The states can and have been doing it?

 

[zeke]

You just don't like people working for less, AGAIN why do liberals want it raised on them federal level, when them states can and have been doing it?

Says the man who couldn't WAIT to get to a right to work for less state. Good for you dude.

 

[Wyatt earp]

It s not my estimation. It is the business owner's estimation. Lets say I own a car wash. I am washing cars at $5 or 10 a car. I can afford to pay up to 8/hr. But I cannot afford to pay 8/hr to a guy who maybe shows up for work on time, maybe shows up 20 minutes late, maybe doesnt show up at all. Or a guy who wants to sit on his ass and not wash cars. Or a guy just out of prison who may beat up my customers. For them, they're worth $5/hr until they can prove they show up on time sober and ready to work
Is that not clear to you?

It's not clear because it's not reality. There's a MW to protect workers from D-bag employers like the one you presented.

How is preventiong workers from getting jobs protecting them? If the min wage is 10/hr I will never hire someone who isnt worth that to me. Those people will remain unemployed, which is precisely why teen unemployment is so high.
How is someone offering a job a "D-bag"? Do you think employment is a form of charity?

You're simply wrong. Employers need the number of people they need to meet their obligations.
If my McDonald's needs 15 people to meet the demand for my lunch rush I'm not going to let 4 go because of a MW increase and cut my own throat. I'll keep all 15 and find a way to make it work. By your logic after a few decades of MW increases there should only be 2 people left on shift.

Find a way to make it work?

Yes, as they and every other business has done every time the MW has been raised over the last 77 years.

Got any data for me yet on that?

When the fuck was the last time you have seen a full service gas station when some one runs out and pumps your gas? Idiot (yes I know some idiotic blue state which I forgot, makes it illegal for someone to pump gas Exist)
You ever hear of lean manufacturing?)

I swear fucking some liberals on this board has no concept of economics or profit margins, they are clueless.

Edit wow I thought it was only one state it is two: Oregon and New Jersy where it is illegal to pump your own

Why Can t You Pump Your Own Gas in Oregon and New Jersey Mental Floss

 

[Mac1958]

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I don't think it's "Republicans" who reject both a minimum wage hike and welfare for the poor, among other things.

It's more like "the relatively small group of Republicans who have adopted a purist, absolutist stance and have (by far) most of the energy and influence in the party".

The Democrats have a similar problem.

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[Wyatt earp]

Yawn zeke. Day 3 of you avoiding my question of what union job you have so I can get a laugh

 

[Freewill]

this "rebup" is all for people making more and more money. I am not sure how you don't connect being the "party of the rich" and wanting people to make more money.

But, minimum wage ain't never going to do it. It is a pipe dream. It is a liberal wet dream. As with all government programs it self feeds the problem. Raise the minimum wage and the product being made increases, it has too. So not having the market drive wages is self defeating.

 

[Wildman]

min. wage should be $1.15 an hour and raised as the persons education improves.

 

[dblack]

I'm not a Republican, but I opposed them because they are corrosive pablum designed to control people.

 

[Iceweasel]

I'm not a Republican, but I opposed them because they are corrosive pablum designed to control people.

Uuuuhh what? I think you misspelled Democrats.

 

[Redfish]

Progressive economic policy come with a 100% Guaranteed Fail. It creates only 2 classes of people: the ruling class and slaves

You're just making shit up as usual. That bullshit just sounds correct to you but in reality it is completely ridiculous.

nope, what he said is accurate. in a socialist marxist progressive collectivist system like you fools say you want, all of the money and all of the power is concentrated in a very small group of super elites and everyone else is "equally" miserable.

Apparently what you're too stupid to realize is that simply raising the minimum wage doesn't even come close to a goddamn communist state. You don't even fucking know what communism is.

do you see the word 'communism' in my post? Duh, no.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I can't stand minimum wage laws in the year 2015, with the social welfare Net we have now and how most people changed.It is not 1902. I hate it bad after I read of the teenage unemployment rate and the black inner city teenage unemployment rate is crazy high last I read 60%

The kids have to compete for jobs with 35 year old losers in life , it's insane

SOWELL Minimum wage laws don t pay off for youth

 

[ScienceRocks]

I'm not a Republican, but I opposed them because they are corrosive pablum designed to control people.

The point is to make sure the super rich don't use people without paying enough to live on. Yes, that takes government force! So did ending slavery, child labor and piss poor work conditions.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You just don't like people working for less, AGAIN why do liberals want it raised on them federal level, when them states can and have been doing it?

Says the man who couldn't WAIT to get to a right to work for less state. Good for you dude.

I'm not a Republican, but I opposed them because they are corrosive pablum designed to control people.

The point is to make sure the super rich don't use people without paying enough to live on. Yes, that takes government force! So did ending slavery, child labor and piss poor work conditions.

Yea Matthew seem to remember a few of your liberal rich folks getting caught using illegal housekeepers a few years back

And Answer my Question, is Denmark, Sweden , Finland, Italy 3rd world Countrys,? Because they Don't have minimum wage laws, guess you Didn't know that

 

[Iceweasel]

The point is to make sure the super rich don't use people without paying enough to live on. Yes, that takes government force! So did ending slavery, child labor and piss poor work conditions.

That's the argument for all things liberal. All those things you mentioned were solved by technology. The government didn't do shit until it was possible.

The super rich got that way for a reason, they use the marketplace and the worse the overall economy is the better they can do because there are less opportunities for the workers. The liberal solution is backwards, which is why the pay gap is getting bigger, not smaller.

 

[Redfish]

I'm not a Republican, but I opposed them because they are corrosive pablum designed to control people.

The point is to make sure the super rich don't use people without paying enough to live on. Yes, that takes government force! So did ending slavery, child labor and piss poor work conditions.

No one is forced to work at a job that does not pay what they think they are worth. WTF are you ranting about? If one job doesn't give you what you need, get a second job, go to night school, learn a trade, inprove yourself and make yourself more valuable to employers.

stop crying and begging momma government to bail out your lazy ass.