I have a problem with some of the rhetoric the left uses when talking about the wall

[rightwinger]

Mr Trump, Tear down this wall!

 

[my2¢]

What ever happened to the plan for a double fence?

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[LoneLaugher]

So when talking about the wall the left likes to imply that it won't serve any practical purpose. "People will dig under it, climb over it, fly over it and some of them will even blah blah blah..."

Yes, you are correct that a wall won't be an absolute solution to the problem of illegals crossing the border, but it's outright dishonest to say it won't at least be a powerful deterrent. It won't stop all of them, but it will stop some or many of them. Walls work, and there are a lot of modern examples that demonstrate that truth.

Nope. It is a waste of money. Sorry.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Billions to build, countless billions more to maintain over the decades, countless billions more to statf and upgrade over the decades, a blatant insult against our allies in Latin and South America, a symbol of cowardice replacing the Statue of Liberty, and people who really want to come here will still get in. Maybe the cartels will charge more, that will make them happy.

It'd be expensive for sure. If that's your argument against it then we don't have an issue. I just wanted to say that if we did build it it would do what it's intended to do, which is act as a deterrent. It would slow them down.

Slow them down or keep teem out? You seem to be waffling.

 

[ABikerSailor]

The idea that a wall will keep anyone or anything out of our country is ludicrous. I think we also need a mote to go along with it, a mine field and a free fire zone where real Americans can remote control the weapons (pay per shot only), all from the comfort of their own homes.

Israel’s wall and the Israeli/Egyptian Wall work pretty well.

Different dynamics. The Berlin Wall worked pretty well too.

You're right, there are different dynamics between those walls. There are also different dynamics between those walls and the one proposed for the southern border.

All of those walls you listed are much shorter and are able to be patrolled 24/7. The southern wall with Mexico is too big for that.

Bullshit. We patrol the border 24/7 right now, moron. Without exception, everything those against the wall say about it is a huge lie. The real reason you're against it is because you know it will work beautifully. That's what scares you. The minute the wall goes up, there goes your permanent majority.

We don't really patrol the whole border 24/7 idiot. If we did, then no illegals would be getting through, and a wall wouldn't be required. But, because the border is so long, and there aren't enough border patrols to cover the whole thing without huge gaps and a long response time, that is why people are able to cross. If the wall is built, what is to stop cartels and coyotes from blowing holes in it in remote areas?

 

[Thinker101]

The arguments suggesting that a modern wall won't do anything to mitigate illegal traffic across the border are pretty weak. You should stick to your other arguments, lest ye look a bit foolish.

The question is how much is the real cost, and how much is the benefit it would cause be worth? And how much of the real benefit is actually Trump's PR

As long as it's cheaper than providing for thousands and thousands of illegals, I'm good with the cost.

 

[ABikerSailor]

The arguments suggesting that a modern wall won't do anything to mitigate illegal traffic across the border are pretty weak. You should stick to your other arguments, lest ye look a bit foolish.

The question is how much is the real cost, and how much is the benefit it would cause be worth? And how much of the real benefit is actually Trump's PR

As long as it's cheaper than providing for thousands and thousands of illegals, I'm good with the cost.

What are you going to do if it turns out to be prohibitively costly?

Remember conservatives bitching about spending, and then passing one of the biggest spending bills ever? And Trump said he would veto it, but then signed it and said that he would never sign another bill like that.

Yeah, right. If Congress could get him to sign this one, they can get him to jump through hoops again.

 

[Thinker101]

The arguments suggesting that a modern wall won't do anything to mitigate illegal traffic across the border are pretty weak. You should stick to your other arguments, lest ye look a bit foolish.

The question is how much is the real cost, and how much is the benefit it would cause be worth? And how much of the real benefit is actually Trump's PR

As long as it's cheaper than providing for thousands and thousands of illegals, I'm good with the cost.

What are you going to do if it turns out to be prohibitively costly?

Remember conservatives bitching about spending, and then passing one of the biggest spending bills ever? And Trump said he would veto it, but then signed it and said that he would never sign another bill like that.

Yeah, right. If Congress could get him to sign this one, they can get him to jump through hoops again.

It would have to be prohibitively costly for years in order to catch up with the cost of illegals in this country.

 

[Dragonlady]

So when talking about the wall the left likes to imply that it won't serve any practical purpose. "People will dig under it, climb over it, fly over it and some of them will even blah blah blah..."

Yes, you are correct that a wall won't be an absolute solution to the problem of illegals crossing the border, but it's outright dishonest to say it won't at least be a powerful deterrent. It won't stop all of them, but it will stop some or many of them. Walls work, and there are a lot of modern examples that demonstrate that truth.

It would work if people were just walking across the border, but they aren’t. The majority of illegal immigration is by people who arrive legally and overstay their visas.

The border would keep drugs out if it blocked low flying planes, or boats along the coast.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Far as I'm concerned "The Wall" has the names of 58,000+ US soldiers on it.

 

[bripat9643]

Considering the construction is estimated to be like 30-40 billion I think it'd take a long time to reach a trillion dollars spent on the wall. Cost arguments aside, do you accept that a well built border wall would serve as a potentially strong deterrent to illegal immigrants?

Potentially strong? No. Not over 2,000 miles of widely varying terrain.

Factor in maintenance, staffing, and all costs that go with that and I say we spend a trillion within 10 years. And there will still be a over 11 million illegals in the country.

...and the lawsuits.

Attorney's FEES.

Settlement costs and just compensation...

Yeah. Well the gummit doesn't own much of the land abutting Me-he-ko. So the gummit has to buy an easement. And an owner can force the gummit to go to court for the sale. And the gummit will have to reimburse land owners for running const equip across their land to get to the easement. And I'd think the gummit would have to buy easements wide enough to get maintenance it there.

Picture one of those giant electrical utilities that stretch for miles......

Yet, somehow, the government manages to build freeways that require a lot more land. It seems your excuse has a big flaw in it. All such cases can be handled at the same time, and they can be expedited.

 

[bripat9643]

So when talking about the wall the left likes to imply that it won't serve any practical purpose. "People will dig under it, climb over it, fly over it and some of them will even blah blah blah..."

Yes, you are correct that a wall won't be an absolute solution to the problem of illegals crossing the border, but it's outright dishonest to say it won't at least be a powerful deterrent. It won't stop all of them, but it will stop some or many of them. Walls work, and there are a lot of modern examples that demonstrate that truth.

It would work if people were just walking across the border, but they aren’t. The majority of illegal immigration is by people who arrive legally and overstay their visas.

The border would keep drugs out if it blocked low flying planes, or boats along the coast.

Wrong. overstays account for 40% of illegals. The other 60% walked accross. Anyone who says preventing 60% is a waste of money simply isn't serious about controlling illegal immigration. They are open-borders douche bags who want to flood this country with illegals.

 

[bripat9643]

The idea that a wall will keep anyone or anything out of our country is ludicrous. I think we also need a mote to go along with it, a mine field and a free fire zone where real Americans can remote control the weapons (pay per shot only), all from the comfort of their own homes.

Israel’s wall and the Israeli/Egyptian Wall work pretty well.

Different dynamics. The Berlin Wall worked pretty well too.

You're right, there are different dynamics between those walls. There are also different dynamics between those walls and the one proposed for the southern border.

All of those walls you listed are much shorter and are able to be patrolled 24/7. The southern wall with Mexico is too big for that.

Bullshit. We patrol the border 24/7 right now, moron. Without exception, everything those against the wall say about it is a huge lie. The real reason you're against it is because you know it will work beautifully. That's what scares you. The minute the wall goes up, there goes your permanent majority.

We don't really patrol the whole border 24/7 idiot. If we did, then no illegals would be getting through, and a wall wouldn't be required. But, because the border is so long, and there aren't enough border patrols to cover the whole thing without huge gaps and a long response time, that is why people are able to cross. If the wall is built, what is to stop cartels and coyotes from blowing holes in it in remote areas?

What stops them now from simply driving accross? The wall reduces the need for manpower. It gives the border patrol time to reach the location where someone is trying to cross. If they blow holes in it, we fix them, dumbass. If we built the wall in the first place, what is so difficult about patching a hole in it?

You are some special kind of dumbass.

 

[sparky]

The 'wall' was held hostage to the last budget bill , but i'm reading it's not going to be much of a wall, and HS gets the lions share of the $$$

How effective it is against illegal immigrants remains to be seen, but i doubt it will have any effect of the drug cabal, who could probably buy get Elon Musk to chauffeur them ~S~

 

[ABikerSailor]

Israel’s wall and the Israeli/Egyptian Wall work pretty well.

Different dynamics. The Berlin Wall worked pretty well too.

You're right, there are different dynamics between those walls. There are also different dynamics between those walls and the one proposed for the southern border.

All of those walls you listed are much shorter and are able to be patrolled 24/7. The southern wall with Mexico is too big for that.

Bullshit. We patrol the border 24/7 right now, moron. Without exception, everything those against the wall say about it is a huge lie. The real reason you're against it is because you know it will work beautifully. That's what scares you. The minute the wall goes up, there goes your permanent majority.

We don't really patrol the whole border 24/7 idiot. If we did, then no illegals would be getting through, and a wall wouldn't be required. But, because the border is so long, and there aren't enough border patrols to cover the whole thing without huge gaps and a long response time, that is why people are able to cross. If the wall is built, what is to stop cartels and coyotes from blowing holes in it in remote areas?

What stops them now from simply driving accross? The wall reduces the need for manpower. It gives the border patrol time to reach the location where someone is trying to cross. If they blow holes in it, we fix them, dumbass. If we built the wall in the first place, what is so difficult about patching a hole in it?

You are some special kind of dumbass.

If they blew repeated holes in it, the cost of rebuilding and repair is going to be a hell of a lot more than the explosives that blew the hole. And, if a person does the right calculations, they can bring down sizeable portions of it.

 

[hunarcy]

Different dynamics. The Berlin Wall worked pretty well too.

You're right, there are different dynamics between those walls. There are also different dynamics between those walls and the one proposed for the southern border.

All of those walls you listed are much shorter and are able to be patrolled 24/7. The southern wall with Mexico is too big for that.

Bullshit. We patrol the border 24/7 right now, moron. Without exception, everything those against the wall say about it is a huge lie. The real reason you're against it is because you know it will work beautifully. That's what scares you. The minute the wall goes up, there goes your permanent majority.

We don't really patrol the whole border 24/7 idiot. If we did, then no illegals would be getting through, and a wall wouldn't be required. But, because the border is so long, and there aren't enough border patrols to cover the whole thing without huge gaps and a long response time, that is why people are able to cross. If the wall is built, what is to stop cartels and coyotes from blowing holes in it in remote areas?

What stops them now from simply driving accross? The wall reduces the need for manpower. It gives the border patrol time to reach the location where someone is trying to cross. If they blow holes in it, we fix them, dumbass. If we built the wall in the first place, what is so difficult about patching a hole in it?

You are some special kind of dumbass.

If they blew repeated holes in it, the cost of rebuilding and repair is going to be a hell of a lot more than the explosives that blew the hole. And, if a person does the right calculations, they can bring down sizeable portions of it.

You're just making stuff up, now. Anything to extend the conversation, keep getting attention and arguing about nothing.

 

[bripat9643]

Different dynamics. The Berlin Wall worked pretty well too.

You're right, there are different dynamics between those walls. There are also different dynamics between those walls and the one proposed for the southern border.

All of those walls you listed are much shorter and are able to be patrolled 24/7. The southern wall with Mexico is too big for that.

Bullshit. We patrol the border 24/7 right now, moron. Without exception, everything those against the wall say about it is a huge lie. The real reason you're against it is because you know it will work beautifully. That's what scares you. The minute the wall goes up, there goes your permanent majority.

We don't really patrol the whole border 24/7 idiot. If we did, then no illegals would be getting through, and a wall wouldn't be required. But, because the border is so long, and there aren't enough border patrols to cover the whole thing without huge gaps and a long response time, that is why people are able to cross. If the wall is built, what is to stop cartels and coyotes from blowing holes in it in remote areas?

What stops them now from simply driving accross? The wall reduces the need for manpower. It gives the border patrol time to reach the location where someone is trying to cross. If they blow holes in it, we fix them, dumbass. If we built the wall in the first place, what is so difficult about patching a hole in it?

You are some special kind of dumbass.

If they blew repeated holes in it, the cost of rebuilding and repair is going to be a hell of a lot more than the explosives that blew the hole. And, if a person does the right calculations, they can bring down sizeable portions of it.

So you think the government is so incompetent that it can't catch people who commit the same crime over and over and over? Really?

 

[ABikerSailor]

You're right, there are different dynamics between those walls. There are also different dynamics between those walls and the one proposed for the southern border.

All of those walls you listed are much shorter and are able to be patrolled 24/7. The southern wall with Mexico is too big for that.

Bullshit. We patrol the border 24/7 right now, moron. Without exception, everything those against the wall say about it is a huge lie. The real reason you're against it is because you know it will work beautifully. That's what scares you. The minute the wall goes up, there goes your permanent majority.

We don't really patrol the whole border 24/7 idiot. If we did, then no illegals would be getting through, and a wall wouldn't be required. But, because the border is so long, and there aren't enough border patrols to cover the whole thing without huge gaps and a long response time, that is why people are able to cross. If the wall is built, what is to stop cartels and coyotes from blowing holes in it in remote areas?

What stops them now from simply driving accross? The wall reduces the need for manpower. It gives the border patrol time to reach the location where someone is trying to cross. If they blow holes in it, we fix them, dumbass. If we built the wall in the first place, what is so difficult about patching a hole in it?

You are some special kind of dumbass.

If they blew repeated holes in it, the cost of rebuilding and repair is going to be a hell of a lot more than the explosives that blew the hole. And, if a person does the right calculations, they can bring down sizeable portions of it.

So you think the government is so incompetent that it can't castch people who commit the same crime over and over and over? Really?

You're trying to make it sound like just a couple of people would do that. Hate to tell you but the cartels hate Trump, and blowing holes in the wall would be good entertainment for them while they see him spending money for repairs.

There are a lot of cartels down there dude.

 

[sealybobo]

So when talking about the wall the left likes to imply that it won't serve any practical purpose. "People will dig under it, climb over it, fly over it and some of them will even blah blah blah..."

Yes, you are correct that a wall won't be an absolute solution to the problem of illegals crossing the border, but it's outright dishonest to say it won't at least be a powerful deterrent. It won't stop all of them, but it will stop some or many of them. Walls work, and there are a lot of modern examples that demonstrate that truth.

Do we need a Canada wall too?

Yes

Canadians come down here and steal our women

Well, God who'd want theirs .... with their hairy legs and pits and fatbacon hanging off their nether regions.

And their fur burgers

 

[sealybobo]

Bullshit. We patrol the border 24/7 right now, moron. Without exception, everything those against the wall say about it is a huge lie. The real reason you're against it is because you know it will work beautifully. That's what scares you. The minute the wall goes up, there goes your permanent majority.

We don't really patrol the whole border 24/7 idiot. If we did, then no illegals would be getting through, and a wall wouldn't be required. But, because the border is so long, and there aren't enough border patrols to cover the whole thing without huge gaps and a long response time, that is why people are able to cross. If the wall is built, what is to stop cartels and coyotes from blowing holes in it in remote areas?

What stops them now from simply driving accross? The wall reduces the need for manpower. It gives the border patrol time to reach the location where someone is trying to cross. If they blow holes in it, we fix them, dumbass. If we built the wall in the first place, what is so difficult about patching a hole in it?

You are some special kind of dumbass.

If they blew repeated holes in it, the cost of rebuilding and repair is going to be a hell of a lot more than the explosives that blew the hole. And, if a person does the right calculations, they can bring down sizeable portions of it.

So you think the government is so incompetent that it can't castch people who commit the same crime over and over and over? Really?

You're trying to make it sound like just a couple of people would do that. Hate to tell you but the cartels hate Trump, and blowing holes in the wall would be good entertainment for them while they see him spending money for repairs.

There are a lot of cartels down there dude.

I would support trump if he moved where we train our troops from wherever we do it now to the border. While they are training they can also patrol the border.

What better place to train to fight ISIS? It’s tough living in the desert