I miss Trump

[Brain357]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Why do you lie mother fucker? Trump was in front of the cameras all the fucking time.

Biden is hiding like the little child molester he is.

Trump on track to hold more press conferences than any modern president - Washington Examiner

President Trump has held 93 press conferences since taking office, more than the 70 held by President Barack Obama over the same amount of time and the 72 held by President George W. Bush, according to research compiled by historian Martha Kumar. Only Presidents Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Funny the small gov people wanting so much government. I prefer not to hear from them unless it’s important.

 

[Brain357]

I prefer results to talk...

 

[jknowgood]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

 

[Brain357]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

Trump and lying goes together like peanut butter and jelly...

 

[jknowgood]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

Trump and lying goes together like peanut butter and jelly...

Trump kept almost all of his campaign promises. Biden has broke almost all of his. I'll stick with Trump.

 

[Brain357]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

Trump and lying goes together like peanut butter and jelly...

Trump kept almost all of his campaign promises. Biden has broke almost all of his. I'll stick with Trump.

And the result was: huge deficits, giant bailouts, riots, recession, most pandemic deaths, couldn’t hit 3% gdp growth, failed tariffs....

 

[Brain357]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

Trump and lying goes together like peanut butter and jelly...

Trump kept almost all of his campaign promises. Biden has broke almost all of his. I'll stick with Trump.

Where is the best healthcare? He kept saying it was coming in two weeks....

 

[schmidlap]

I miss Trump

A classic pathology: Stockholm Syndrome.

Consume a high fiber diet, and it will go away.

 

[Brain357]

Vaccines are out there, covid down, stock market climbing.. and he’s not constantly in the news. Good for me.

 

[jknowgood]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

Trump and lying goes together like peanut butter and jelly...

Trump kept almost all of his campaign promises. Biden has broke almost all of his. I'll stick with Trump.

And the result was: huge deficits, giant bailouts, riots, recession, most pandemic deaths, couldn’t hit 3% gdp growth, failed tariffs....

Biden will soon outspend Trump. Recession was because of the lockdowns, and most of the deaths came from liberal run shitholes like new york.

 

[jknowgood]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

Trump and lying goes together like peanut butter and jelly...

Trump kept almost all of his campaign promises. Biden has broke almost all of his. I'll stick with Trump.

Where is the best healthcare? He kept saying it was coming in two weeks....

He tried the Republicans at the time thought the Russian story was true. So they would not work with him. He did get rid of having to have it, which was the worst part. But you know, I'm still waiting on my $2500 a years savings on Healthcare. That lie actually hurt people.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I prefer results to talk...

You don't believe Biden should do a presser on:

#1) COVID and Vaccines
#2) Economy
#3) Bombing of Syria
#4) New stimulus bill
#5) Crisis at the Border
#6) Infrastructure Bill
#7) Rise in gas prices

Would be nice to see a Q&A

All I am saying

 

[Slade3200]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

I will argue a counterpoint if you’d like... you are implying that a new tax will be applied and taken from tax payers to fund the stimulus bill... but that is not the case, unless you have info that says otherwise... do you?

What new tax? Has zero to do with this thread or the link to the stimulus bill. The argument was to just give all the money to the people. Not $1,400.

You linked to an argument saying that Dems voted for a bill that gives them $1400 but makes them owe $5800 and were looking for a counter argument. Or did I read that wrong??

There is no counter arguments that is fact. Unless you presume we never pay back the debt.

Yes that would be my presumption... well not in the direct traditional sense that you’ve implied.

And you would be wrong. My kids will be responsible for this debt. As will yours. It doesn’t just magically disappear. We need fiscal responsibility. So my point was if I am responsible for this debt then give me the full amount of the monies. Not me precisely since I did not qualify but if I had...

Your presumption of we don’t have to pay this debt back is not only dangerous but borderline infuriating.

The debt would exist while our children are alive yes, just as the debt has existed throughout your entire life... how has it impacted you? How do you think it will impact them and why do you think it will be different?

It has only been this high for 13 years? It has impacted all of us. Instead of building high speed rails and other infrastructure improvements we spent monies on useless wars and paying for bad decisions. Our infrastructure sucks. Go to an airport in Dubai and compare it Logan or LAX. It’s a fucking joke. China is coming for us. 13 years is a tiny timeframe mind you. It will impact them in that taxes will have to be raised and expenses reduced as in they may lose SS or have it significantly reduced. They and their spouses will both have to work vs having one home to raise the kids. Because we let our schools go to shit they will likely have to send their kids to private school.

So yes it has impacted me. And you. But you don’t see it. It will certainly impact them.

13 years? No dude the debt has been like this for decades. Those things you listed were not effected by the debt, they were just policy decisions. As we have seen with the pandemic, we can pump out trillions at the drop of a hat. The ability to build has always been there. Congress just hasn’t decided to do it

Nope 13 years has it gone off the rails

You should check your stats. If you are using different criteria than percentage increase then let me know what it is

View attachment 468130

I am using absolute dollars. $2 to $4 is a 100% increase but still only $4. Do you have any finance acumen? Chart absolute dollars under Obama and Trump. This is a fairly recent spending spree.

Its meaningless unless you compare it to revenue in which case % would yield a better comparison.

Says one who admitted he doesn't have a business degree. It isn't "meaningless" not remotely.

Why do I need a business degree? I've been involved in 6 start ups. if it isn't meaningless then explain why...

I have explained why. Because our debt now exceeds our revenue not just income. That is not only dangerous just irresponsible. And now we are growing it exponentially and note our infrastructure is falling behind and greatly. We could have spent that money wiser and had GDP of $30 or $40Trn perhaps. 90% of start ups failed. How many of yours succeeded?

2 flopped, 1 is done but made a nice run. 1 was bought out and still operating and I currently run the other two.

You run two? interesting. Must be small because usually running one is an 18 hour a day job. So again for the 5th time. Why not give every American $10k? Debt you say is irrelevant and more money would circulate in the system.

Still waiting for a response.

Yeah pretty small bootstrap operations. Online based models built for easy management and passive income .

Why not pay everybody $10k? Because at a certain point you hit a threshold that triggers massive inflation. There is a good debate about whether this package will do that. We should know in a year or two

LMAO!! “Certain Point” you’re wrong again. Taking out $6k in debt to receive $1.4K is just not practical. I recommend you take a course in business/finance. You asked me how this level of debt has impacted us and I answered you and you just glossed over it. Gas gas gone up, food prices have gone up. Inflation is already here whether the so called experts agree or not.

I was paying $1.60 for gas a couple months ago. Gas prices are Not fluctuating because of the National debt they fluctuate because of taxes, regulations and the always moving price of oil. I started this conversation having some respect for your intelligence and I’m leaving with much less.

Taking out 6k to receive 1.4K is not how this thing works. I explained it in a way that a third grader would understand yet it still goes over your head. You obviously don’t get it so never mind.

Really? Well moron. You stupidly stated that the $1.4K circulates throughout the economy. It doesn’t. Food isn’t taxed in MA so if my parents use the monies to buy food then they don’t pay taxes. The supermarket makes a 10% profit margin so that’s $140 of which it pays a 30% tax let’s say so that’s $42...so yes the Govt got $42 back for $6k of debt. I do this for a living. The bill was stupid and 100% partisan. If you want to borrow $6k then give the people what they borrowed, the full $6k. I am paying a $1 more per gallon under Biden than under Trump. It doesn’t have to do with the stimulus but by summer it will be $2 more and that will be partially because of it. You don’t respect me? LOL

I support my family on my financial acumen. Feel free to turn away from this conversation as you’re making a fool of yourself.

If your parents buy food then the grocery store uses the money to buy inventory and pay employees and pay income tax etc. Of course it is taxed as it circulates. You are making horrible arguments in an attempt to win a debate. Let the ego go and just look at the situation with clear eyes.

Also much of the 6k is going to people and is circulating through the economy... you are just piss poor at math. Unemployment benefits go to the people, education funding goes to schools, low income children etc etc. you didn’t calculate these things in because you are presenting a piss poor argument

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

I will argue a counterpoint if you’d like... you are implying that a new tax will be applied and taken from tax payers to fund the stimulus bill... but that is not the case, unless you have info that says otherwise... do you?

What new tax? Has zero to do with this thread or the link to the stimulus bill. The argument was to just give all the money to the people. Not $1,400.

You linked to an argument saying that Dems voted for a bill that gives them $1400 but makes them owe $5800 and were looking for a counter argument. Or did I read that wrong??

There is no counter arguments that is fact. Unless you presume we never pay back the debt.

Yes that would be my presumption... well not in the direct traditional sense that you’ve implied.

And you would be wrong. My kids will be responsible for this debt. As will yours. It doesn’t just magically disappear. We need fiscal responsibility. So my point was if I am responsible for this debt then give me the full amount of the monies. Not me precisely since I did not qualify but if I had...

Your presumption of we don’t have to pay this debt back is not only dangerous but borderline infuriating.

The debt would exist while our children are alive yes, just as the debt has existed throughout your entire life... how has it impacted you? How do you think it will impact them and why do you think it will be different?

It has only been this high for 13 years? It has impacted all of us. Instead of building high speed rails and other infrastructure improvements we spent monies on useless wars and paying for bad decisions. Our infrastructure sucks. Go to an airport in Dubai and compare it Logan or LAX. It’s a fucking joke. China is coming for us. 13 years is a tiny timeframe mind you. It will impact them in that taxes will have to be raised and expenses reduced as in they may lose SS or have it significantly reduced. They and their spouses will both have to work vs having one home to raise the kids. Because we let our schools go to shit they will likely have to send their kids to private school.

So yes it has impacted me. And you. But you don’t see it. It will certainly impact them.

13 years? No dude the debt has been like this for decades. Those things you listed were not effected by the debt, they were just policy decisions. As we have seen with the pandemic, we can pump out trillions at the drop of a hat. The ability to build has always been there. Congress just hasn’t decided to do it

Nope 13 years has it gone off the rails

You should check your stats. If you are using different criteria than percentage increase then let me know what it is

View attachment 468130

I am using absolute dollars. $2 to $4 is a 100% increase but still only $4. Do you have any finance acumen? Chart absolute dollars under Obama and Trump. This is a fairly recent spending spree.

Its meaningless unless you compare it to revenue in which case % would yield a better comparison.

Says one who admitted he doesn't have a business degree. It isn't "meaningless" not remotely.

Why do I need a business degree? I've been involved in 6 start ups. if it isn't meaningless then explain why...

I have explained why. Because our debt now exceeds our revenue not just income. That is not only dangerous just irresponsible. And now we are growing it exponentially and note our infrastructure is falling behind and greatly. We could have spent that money wiser and had GDP of $30 or $40Trn perhaps. 90% of start ups failed. How many of yours succeeded?

2 flopped, 1 is done but made a nice run. 1 was bought out and still operating and I currently run the other two.

You run two? interesting. Must be small because usually running one is an 18 hour a day job. So again for the 5th time. Why not give every American $10k? Debt you say is irrelevant and more money would circulate in the system.

Still waiting for a response.

Yeah pretty small bootstrap operations. Online based models built for easy management and passive income .

Why not pay everybody $10k? Because at a certain point you hit a threshold that triggers massive inflation. There is a good debate about whether this package will do that. We should know in a year or two

LMAO!! “Certain Point” you’re wrong again. Taking out $6k in debt to receive $1.4K is just not practical. I recommend you take a course in business/finance. You asked me how this level of debt has impacted us and I answered you and you just glossed over it. Gas gas gone up, food prices have gone up. Inflation is already here whether the so called experts agree or not.

I was paying $1.60 for gas a couple months ago. Gas prices are Not fluctuating because of the National debt they fluctuate because of taxes, regulations and the always moving price of oil. I started this conversation having some respect for your intelligence and I’m leaving with much less.

Taking out 6k to receive 1.4K is not how this thing works. I explained it in a way that a third grader would understand yet it still goes over your head. You obviously don’t get it so never mind.

Really? Well moron. You stupidly stated that the $1.4K circulates throughout the economy. It doesn’t. Food isn’t taxed in MA so if my parents use the monies to buy food then they don’t pay taxes. The supermarket makes a 10% profit margin so that’s $140 of which it pays a 30% tax let’s say so that’s $42...so yes the Govt got $42 back for $6k of debt. I do this for a living. The bill was stupid and 100% partisan. If you want to borrow $6k then give the people what they borrowed, the full $6k. I am paying a $1 more per gallon under Biden than under Trump. It doesn’t have to do with the stimulus but by summer it will be $2 more and that will be partially because of it. You don’t respect me? LOL

I support my family on my financial acumen. Feel free to turn away from this conversation as you’re making a fool of yourself.

If your parents buy food then the grocery store uses the money to buy inventory and pay employees and pay income tax etc. Of course it is taxed as it circulates. You are making horrible arguments in an attempt to win a debate. Let the ego go and just look at the situation with clear eyes.

Also much of the 6k is going to people and is circulating through the economy... you are just piss poor at math. Unemployment benefits go to the people, education funding goes to schools, low income children etc etc. you didn’t calculate these things in because you are presenting a piss poor argument

I have explained to you that the money goes into profit and yes pays employees, who would have been paid anyway as food is a necessity. You said that too much printing causes inflation. Well you got that correct and soon you'll see it play out. Enjoy it as your businesses fold.

You heard it here first.

Instead of giving unemployment checks give people the full $6k AND have them work. Instead they sit home and collect as they make more doing that. Pretty silly.

Your argument is to print until inflation hits. That is crazy talk.

 

[Lesh]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

I will argue a counterpoint if you’d like... you are implying that a new tax will be applied and taken from tax payers to fund the stimulus bill... but that is not the case, unless you have info that says otherwise... do you?

What new tax? Has zero to do with this thread or the link to the stimulus bill. The argument was to just give all the money to the people. Not $1,400.

You linked to an argument saying that Dems voted for a bill that gives them $1400 but makes them owe $5800 and were looking for a counter argument. Or did I read that wrong??

There is no counter arguments that is fact. Unless you presume we never pay back the debt.

Assume we never pay back the debt?

When have we done that?

You know as well as I that we pay interest on the debt and rarely pay down the debt itself

 

[Lesh]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

Trump and lying goes together like peanut butter and jelly...

Trump kept almost all of his campaign promises. Biden has broke almost all of his. I'll stick with Trump.

Where is the best healthcare? He kept saying it was coming in two weeks....

Along with “Infrastructure Week”

 

[colfax_m]

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

Answers are only useful if their the truthful and coherent.

Trump was rarely either.

 

[Slade3200]

At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

www.usmessageboard.com

But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

abcnews.go.com

I will argue a counterpoint if you’d like... you are implying that a new tax will be applied and taken from tax payers to fund the stimulus bill... but that is not the case, unless you have info that says otherwise... do you?

What new tax? Has zero to do with this thread or the link to the stimulus bill. The argument was to just give all the money to the people. Not $1,400.

You linked to an argument saying that Dems voted for a bill that gives them $1400 but makes them owe $5800 and were looking for a counter argument. Or did I read that wrong??

There is no counter arguments that is fact. Unless you presume we never pay back the debt.

Yes that would be my presumption... well not in the direct traditional sense that you’ve implied.

And you would be wrong. My kids will be responsible for this debt. As will yours. It doesn’t just magically disappear. We need fiscal responsibility. So my point was if I am responsible for this debt then give me the full amount of the monies. Not me precisely since I did not qualify but if I had...

Your presumption of we don’t have to pay this debt back is not only dangerous but borderline infuriating.

The debt would exist while our children are alive yes, just as the debt has existed throughout your entire life... how has it impacted you? How do you think it will impact them and why do you think it will be different?

It has only been this high for 13 years? It has impacted all of us. Instead of building high speed rails and other infrastructure improvements we spent monies on useless wars and paying for bad decisions. Our infrastructure sucks. Go to an airport in Dubai and compare it Logan or LAX. It’s a fucking joke. China is coming for us. 13 years is a tiny timeframe mind you. It will impact them in that taxes will have to be raised and expenses reduced as in they may lose SS or have it significantly reduced. They and their spouses will both have to work vs having one home to raise the kids. Because we let our schools go to shit they will likely have to send their kids to private school.

So yes it has impacted me. And you. But you don’t see it. It will certainly impact them.

13 years? No dude the debt has been like this for decades. Those things you listed were not effected by the debt, they were just policy decisions. As we have seen with the pandemic, we can pump out trillions at the drop of a hat. The ability to build has always been there. Congress just hasn’t decided to do it

Nope 13 years has it gone off the rails

You should check your stats. If you are using different criteria than percentage increase then let me know what it is

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I am using absolute dollars. $2 to $4 is a 100% increase but still only $4. Do you have any finance acumen? Chart absolute dollars under Obama and Trump. This is a fairly recent spending spree.

Its meaningless unless you compare it to revenue in which case % would yield a better comparison.

Says one who admitted he doesn't have a business degree. It isn't "meaningless" not remotely.

Why do I need a business degree? I've been involved in 6 start ups. if it isn't meaningless then explain why...

I have explained why. Because our debt now exceeds our revenue not just income. That is not only dangerous just irresponsible. And now we are growing it exponentially and note our infrastructure is falling behind and greatly. We could have spent that money wiser and had GDP of $30 or $40Trn perhaps. 90% of start ups failed. How many of yours succeeded?

2 flopped, 1 is done but made a nice run. 1 was bought out and still operating and I currently run the other two.

You run two? interesting. Must be small because usually running one is an 18 hour a day job. So again for the 5th time. Why not give every American $10k? Debt you say is irrelevant and more money would circulate in the system.

Still waiting for a response.

Yeah pretty small bootstrap operations. Online based models built for easy management and passive income .

Why not pay everybody $10k? Because at a certain point you hit a threshold that triggers massive inflation. There is a good debate about whether this package will do that. We should know in a year or two

LMAO!! “Certain Point” you’re wrong again. Taking out $6k in debt to receive $1.4K is just not practical. I recommend you take a course in business/finance. You asked me how this level of debt has impacted us and I answered you and you just glossed over it. Gas gas gone up, food prices have gone up. Inflation is already here whether the so called experts agree or not.

I was paying $1.60 for gas a couple months ago. Gas prices are Not fluctuating because of the National debt they fluctuate because of taxes, regulations and the always moving price of oil. I started this conversation having some respect for your intelligence and I’m leaving with much less.

Taking out 6k to receive 1.4K is not how this thing works. I explained it in a way that a third grader would understand yet it still goes over your head. You obviously don’t get it so never mind.

Really? Well moron. You stupidly stated that the $1.4K circulates throughout the economy. It doesn’t. Food isn’t taxed in MA so if my parents use the monies to buy food then they don’t pay taxes. The supermarket makes a 10% profit margin so that’s $140 of which it pays a 30% tax let’s say so that’s $42...so yes the Govt got $42 back for $6k of debt. I do this for a living. The bill was stupid and 100% partisan. If you want to borrow $6k then give the people what they borrowed, the full $6k. I am paying a $1 more per gallon under Biden than under Trump. It doesn’t have to do with the stimulus but by summer it will be $2 more and that will be partially because of it. You don’t respect me? LOL

I support my family on my financial acumen. Feel free to turn away from this conversation as you’re making a fool of yourself.

If your parents buy food then the grocery store uses the money to buy inventory and pay employees and pay income tax etc. Of course it is taxed as it circulates. You are making horrible arguments in an attempt to win a debate. Let the ego go and just look at the situation with clear eyes.

Also much of the 6k is going to people and is circulating through the economy... you are just piss poor at math. Unemployment benefits go to the people, education funding goes to schools, low income children etc etc. you didn’t calculate these things in because you are presenting a piss poor argument

I have explained to you that the money goes into profit and yes pays employees, who would have been paid anyway as food is a necessity. You said that too much printing causes inflation. Well you got that correct and soon you'll see it play out. Enjoy it as your businesses fold.

You heard it here first.

Instead of giving unemployment checks give people the full $6k AND have them work. Instead they sit home and collect as they make more doing that. Pretty silly.

Your argument is to print until inflation hits. That is crazy talk.

Ok great give a prediction then. What kind of inflation are we going to see and when will we see it? If it doesn’t happen then you can check your math and reevaluate your “understanding” of the subject

 

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At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

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But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

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LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

Trump and lying goes together like peanut butter and jelly...

Trump kept almost all of his campaign promises. Biden has broke almost all of his. I'll stick with Trump.

Where is the best healthcare? He kept saying it was coming in two weeks....

Along with “Infrastructure Week”

Like Obama with shovel ready jobs, that weren't so shovel ready?

 

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At least he answered questions. Biden just hit us with a stupid partisan stimulus bill. You can see here why its stupid and none of the leftists here have been able to argue the counterpoint.

Stupidity of the Democrats and their $1.927 Trillion Bill

You cannot get any dumber. Honestly...approx 300mil people will receive $1,400 but will owe $5,839 for the $1,400....LOL Math is as follows: $422bil of the stimulus is the $1,400 per person so that results in ~301.5 mil people getting it. Now the entire Bill is $1.927Trn...divide that by the...

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But why won't Biden take tough questions on both the stimulus and the crisis at the border?

Love or hate Trump or tolerate only, Trump always took questions. Combative? Yes. Answered them? Yes.

Biden not yet holding a formal news conference raises accountability questions

The White House still hasn't set a date for President Joe Biden to hold his first news conference.

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LOL, Trump didn't answer questions, he dodged every question from the MSM, he ignored the journalists, insulted them and went ahead and praised himself for things others have done. Why do you lie?

Trump answered the questions, quit lying.

Trump and lying goes together like peanut butter and jelly...

Trump kept almost all of his campaign promises. Biden has broke almost all of his. I'll stick with Trump.

Where is the best healthcare? He kept saying it was coming in two weeks....

Along with “Infrastructure Week”

I miss infrastructure week.