You should have read the title of the thread before you responded. ...
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If all the cars in the US were EV's how much load would that put on the grid?
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Mooney is troll, it doesn't read anything.
It merely trolls.
EvMetro
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I hope you don't pick your own stocks...How many gas stations were there in the 1890's compared to the 1920's??You should have read the title of the thread before you responded. ...Considering there are very few true EV only vehicles, not much.
I don't support capitalist that are wealthy.I hope you don't pick your own stocks...How many gas stations were there in the 1890's compared to the 1920's??You should have read the title of the thread before you responded. ...Considering there are very few true EV only vehicles, not much.
You were great at pointing out that I left out the word "get" in a post but no so much great at admitting you are wrong about how many kwh would be needed to replace a gallon of gasoline.
Petroleum liquids–12.76 kWh/gallon
danielpalos
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Upgrading the grid also means upgrading capacity and reliability.
About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?
We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]
And we know how well that has worked in the past.
About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?
We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has thought through what it actually means when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]
Like when the govt. created the cross country rail road system and the interstate highway system...
About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?
We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has thought through what it actually means when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]
Like when the govt. created the cross country rail road system and the interstate highway system...
No. More like when they taxed you if you didn't buy a product.
First, we'll need an electric grid that can handle our current loading ... without many EVs ... PG&E is just the worst offender, as demonstrated in Texas this past winter ... with proper maintenance, our current grid should be able to deliver ... but maintenance funds are being distributed to shareholders as dividends and the routine maintenance is being "deferred" ... PG&E declared in bankruptcy court (or maybe it was in Federal criminal court) that it would cost them $150 billion to repair their system, and that's only covers half of California ... what will it cost to repair the entire nation's grid? ...
The good news is that compared to the cost of building molten sodium nuclear reactors, doubling our grid's capacity is chump change ... nevermind the inconvenience of spilling this molten sodium into a river or lake ...
Are fossil fuels easier to find today than 50 years ago? ... are they cheaper to extract as time rolls along? ... call me a Carter Democrat if you want, but I do think conservation is the best solution ... ditch your A/C, that's a luxury we can all do without ...
You may call yourself a Carter democrat, but James Earl Carter is the one who subsidized bringing back that old experimental fracking thing....
About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
The prediction that we only have ten years to save the planet is like the prediction that snow would be a rare event today.
Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute
Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...cei.org
I know. I just sometimes like to take the zealots at their word in their doom and gloom predictions as a premise
Anyway, America has huge complex integrated systems designed to maximize the economies of scale. Perhaps even more so than any country on the planet. Our economy depends on 24/7 electricity and this eco-modernist idea that we will magically have batteries that can run an entire factory at night charged by the same panels that power the factory during the day is neither realistic nor practical.
ReinyDays
Gold Member
About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?
We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]
And we know how well that has worked in the past.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism] ... And we know how well that has worked in the past.
Do you have a choice of electric companies where you live? ... that's unusual, typically it's the government who decides which electric company we get power from ... and if we don't like it, we don't get electric power to our homes ...
When I lived up in Oregon ... we got our power from the US Army Corps of Engineers' Bonneville Power Administration, and the US Army is generally considered a government agency ... and they also own the main trunk lines that run down through Oregon, Jefferson, all the way to South California ... and having a local government agency handle retail distribution was common enough: for example the Eugene Water and Electric Board or the Springfield Utility Board ...
The kicker is that it's strictly illegal to get electric power from any other source ... pure socialism ... government has exclusive ownership of everything electric from river to weatherhead ... I'm paying 6.3¢ per kW-hr ... what are you paying? ... without dividends to pay, they can use maintenance money for maintenance ... they'll drive right onto our property and start cutting down trees, whether we like it or not ...
... or use the Texas system ... little chilly weather and the whole damn grid fails ... woot ... but I'll bet share prices are still healthy ... "profit before people" ... Lord have mercy, it would cut profits by entire tenth's of cents to install a few heaters ...
Old Rocks
Diamond Member
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About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?
We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has thought through what it actually means when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]
Like when the govt. created the cross country rail road system and the interstate highway system...
No. More like when they taxed you if you didn't buy a product.
So, you go everywhere on a horse.
Old Rocks
Diamond Member
- Thread starter
- #74
About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?
We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]
And we know how well that has worked in the past.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism] ... And we know how well that has worked in the past.
Do you have a choice of electric companies where you live? ... that's unusual, typically it's the government who decides which electric company we get power from ... and if we don't like it, we don't get electric power to our homes ...
When I lived up in Oregon ... we got our power from the US Army Corps of Engineers' Bonneville Power Administration, and the US Army is generally considered a government agency ... and they also own the main trunk lines that run down through Oregon, Jefferson, all the way to South California ... and having a local government agency handle retail distribution was common enough: for example the Eugene Water and Electric Board or the Springfield Utility Board ...
The kicker is that it's strictly illegal to get electric power from any other source ... pure socialism ... government has exclusive ownership of everything electric from river to weatherhead ... I'm paying 6.3¢ per kW-hr ... what are you paying? ... without dividends to pay, they can use maintenance money for maintenance ... they'll drive right onto our property and start cutting down trees, whether we like it or not ...
... or use the Texas system ... little chilly weather and the whole damn grid fails ... woot ... but I'll bet share prices are still healthy ... "profit before people" ... Lord have mercy, it would cut profits by entire tenth's of cents to install a few heaters ...
Not only that, there is a direct line from Bonneville to the steel mill in Portland. That mill is the only one with the capability of rolling armor and titanium on the West Coast and has priority over most customers. How about that for socialism.
Old Rocks
Diamond Member
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About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
The prediction that we only have ten years to save the planet is like the prediction that snow would be a rare event today.
Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions - Competitive Enterprise Institute
Modern doomsayers have been predicting climate and environmental disaster since the 1960s. They continue to do so today. None of the apocalyptic predictions with due dates as of today have come true. What follows is a collection of notably wild predictions from notable people in government and...
I know. I just sometimes like to take the zealots at their word in their doom and gloom predictions as a premise
Anyway, America has huge complex integrated systems designed to maximize the economies of scale. Perhaps even more so than any country on the planet. Our economy depends on 24/7 electricity and this eco-modernist idea that we will magically have batteries that can run an entire factory at night charged by the same panels that power the factory during the day is neither realistic nor practical.
Kind of real fucking stupid. Many more industries to follow suit.
“EVRAZ Pueblo will be the first steel mill in North America to rely on solar power as we proudly use renewable energy to turn recycled scrap metal into new, clean steel, including the most sustainable rail in the world,” Skip Herald, President and Chief Executive Officer of EVRAZ North America, said in a statement.Oct 5, 2020"
About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?
We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has thought through what it actually means when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]
Like when the govt. created the cross country rail road system and the interstate highway system...
No. More like when they taxed you if you didn't buy a product.
So, you go everywhere on a horse.
That's a stupid comment.
About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?
We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has thought through what it actually means when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]
Like when the govt. created the cross country rail road system and the interstate highway system...
No. More like when they taxed you if you didn't buy a product.
So, you go everywhere on a horse.
That's a stupid comment.
Not when it involves you..
About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?
We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has thought through what it actually means when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]
Like when the govt. created the cross country rail road system and the interstate highway system...
No. More like when they taxed you if you didn't buy a product.
So, you go everywhere on a horse.
That's a stupid comment.
Not when it involves you..
I'm glad you were able to get that off your chest. I hope you feel better.
About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;
Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.
How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?
We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.
The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has thought through what it actually means when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]
Like when the govt. created the cross country rail road system and the interstate highway system...
No. More like when they taxed you if you didn't buy a product.
So, you go everywhere on a horse.
That's a stupid comment.
Not when it involves you..
I'm glad you were able to get that off your chest. I hope you feel better.
It wasn't on my chest it was a nugget on the ground.
And you contribute nada as per usual about EV's and your fear of them taking over the roads. Please stop yer infatuation with me.You should have read the title of the thread before you responded. ...Considering there are very few true EV only vehicles, not much.
Mooney is troll, it doesn't read anything.
It merely trolls.
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