If all the cars in the US were EV's how much load would that put on the grid?

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About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;

Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.

How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?

We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]

And we know how well that has worked in the past.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism] ... And we know how well that has worked in the past.

Do you have a choice of electric companies where you live? ... that's unusual, typically it's the government who decides which electric company we get power from ... and if we don't like it, we don't get electric power to our homes ...

When I lived up in Oregon ... we got our power from the US Army Corps of Engineers' Bonneville Power Administration, and the US Army is generally considered a government agency ... and they also own the main trunk lines that run down through Oregon, Jefferson, all the way to South California ... and having a local government agency handle retail distribution was common enough: for example the Eugene Water and Electric Board or the Springfield Utility Board ...

The kicker is that it's strictly illegal to get electric power from any other source ... pure socialism ... government has exclusive ownership of everything electric from river to weatherhead ... I'm paying 6.3¢ per kW-hr ... what are you paying? ... without dividends to pay, they can use maintenance money for maintenance ... they'll drive right onto our property and start cutting down trees, whether we like it or not ...

... or use the Texas system ... little chilly weather and the whole damn grid fails ... woot ... but I'll bet share prices are still healthy ... "profit before people" ... Lord have mercy, it would cut profits by entire tenth's of cents to install a few heaters ...

We can choose the provider but not the transportation company. That's pretty cheap. Our unit cost is somewhere around 9 to 12 cents per KWH. Cheaper than a lot of place - I would imagine - just because of the large quantities we consume (i.e. economy of scale), but nothing like what you are paying. That's a good price.

As for the root cause of our problems this February, I don't think we have gotten the real story and probably never will. I think they got caught with their pants down and did not have enough contractual gas to make up the difference when wind started going off line. I say that because spot prices soared. If their issue was mechanical then there wouldn't have been an impact on natural gas prices at all as the needed volume would have already been under contract.

 

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About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;

Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.

How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?

We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has thought through what it actually means when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]

Like when the govt. created the cross country rail road system and the interstate highway system...

No. More like when they taxed you if you didn't buy a product.

So, you go everywhere on a horse.

That's a stupid comment.

Not when it involves you..

I'm glad you were able to get that off your chest. I hope you feel better.

It wasn't on my chest it was a nugget on the ground.

Who are you trying to convince? I hope not me.

 

[danielpalos]

Upgrading public streets to be more EV friendly could help reduce accidents and improve commute times.

 

[daveman]

Upgrading public streets to be more EV friendly could help reduce accidents and improve commute times.

What is an EV friendly public street?

 

[danielpalos]

Upgrading public streets to be more EV friendly could help reduce accidents and improve commute times.

What is an EV friendly public street?

Something analogous to slot cars. Sensors could be placed in the roadways to help EVs navigate better and potentially draw power from that "grid" as well.

 

[ReinyDays]

About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;

Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.

How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?

We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]

And we know how well that has worked in the past.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism] ... And we know how well that has worked in the past.

Do you have a choice of electric companies where you live? ... that's unusual, typically it's the government who decides which electric company we get power from ... and if we don't like it, we don't get electric power to our homes ...

When I lived up in Oregon ... we got our power from the US Army Corps of Engineers' Bonneville Power Administration, and the US Army is generally considered a government agency ... and they also own the main trunk lines that run down through Oregon, Jefferson, all the way to South California ... and having a local government agency handle retail distribution was common enough: for example the Eugene Water and Electric Board or the Springfield Utility Board ...

The kicker is that it's strictly illegal to get electric power from any other source ... pure socialism ... government has exclusive ownership of everything electric from river to weatherhead ... I'm paying 6.3¢ per kW-hr ... what are you paying? ... without dividends to pay, they can use maintenance money for maintenance ... they'll drive right onto our property and start cutting down trees, whether we like it or not ...

... or use the Texas system ... little chilly weather and the whole damn grid fails ... woot ... but I'll bet share prices are still healthy ... "profit before people" ... Lord have mercy, it would cut profits by entire tenth's of cents to install a few heaters ...

We can choose the provider but not the transportation company. That's pretty cheap. Our unit cost is somewhere around 9 to 12 cents per KWH. Cheaper than a lot of place - I would imagine - just because of the large quantities we consume (i.e. economy of scale), but nothing like what you are paying. That's a good price.

As for the root cause of our problems this February, I don't think we have gotten the real story and probably never will. I think they got caught with their pants down and did not have enough contractual gas to make up the difference when wind started going off line. I say that because spot prices soared. If their issue was mechanical then there wouldn't have been an impact on natural gas prices at all as the needed volume would have already been under contract.

Freeze-offs caused the problems in Texas this past winter, water in the pipeline solidifying and blocking flow ... "Texas' Natural Gas Production Just Froze under Pressure" -- The Verge -- Feb 17th, 2021 ...

I don't know where you're storing this gas, but if the pipeline is blocked, then it's not going to get to the power plant ...

Texas just replaced California as the laughing stock of the world ...

 

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About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;

Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.

How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?

We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]

And we know how well that has worked in the past.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism] ... And we know how well that has worked in the past.

Do you have a choice of electric companies where you live? ... that's unusual, typically it's the government who decides which electric company we get power from ... and if we don't like it, we don't get electric power to our homes ...

When I lived up in Oregon ... we got our power from the US Army Corps of Engineers' Bonneville Power Administration, and the US Army is generally considered a government agency ... and they also own the main trunk lines that run down through Oregon, Jefferson, all the way to South California ... and having a local government agency handle retail distribution was common enough: for example the Eugene Water and Electric Board or the Springfield Utility Board ...

The kicker is that it's strictly illegal to get electric power from any other source ... pure socialism ... government has exclusive ownership of everything electric from river to weatherhead ... I'm paying 6.3¢ per kW-hr ... what are you paying? ... without dividends to pay, they can use maintenance money for maintenance ... they'll drive right onto our property and start cutting down trees, whether we like it or not ...

... or use the Texas system ... little chilly weather and the whole damn grid fails ... woot ... but I'll bet share prices are still healthy ... "profit before people" ... Lord have mercy, it would cut profits by entire tenth's of cents to install a few heaters ...

We can choose the provider but not the transportation company. That's pretty cheap. Our unit cost is somewhere around 9 to 12 cents per KWH. Cheaper than a lot of place - I would imagine - just because of the large quantities we consume (i.e. economy of scale), but nothing like what you are paying. That's a good price.

As for the root cause of our problems this February, I don't think we have gotten the real story and probably never will. I think they got caught with their pants down and did not have enough contractual gas to make up the difference when wind started going off line. I say that because spot prices soared. If their issue was mechanical then there wouldn't have been an impact on natural gas prices at all as the needed volume would have already been under contract.

Freeze-offs caused the problems in Texas this past winter, water in the pipeline solidifying and blocking flow ... "Texas' Natural Gas Production Just Froze under Pressure" -- The Verge -- Feb 17th, 2021 ...

I don't know where you're storing this gas, but if the pipeline is blocked, then it's not going to get to the power plant ...

Texas just replaced California as the laughing stock of the world ...

I'm not buying it. Pretty sparse details there. I don't trust them to tell the truth. They make it sound like the generating plants are hooked up to a fields which just isn't the case. They get their gas from pipelines. Pipelines have water specs. I suspect gas production was at max rate to take advantage of the higher prices because everyone was heating their homes. Texas is a huge gas producer and close to Henry Hub which is the hub for all of the gas from GoM. No way natural gas supply was limited.

And we are supposed to believe that Texas power generating was the only thing affected by wells freezing up? C'mon man.

They got caught not having gas purchased to offset the loss of wind energy that went off line. That's what happened.

 

[Old Rocks]

About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;

Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.

How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?

We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]

And we know how well that has worked in the past.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism] ... And we know how well that has worked in the past.

Do you have a choice of electric companies where you live? ... that's unusual, typically it's the government who decides which electric company we get power from ... and if we don't like it, we don't get electric power to our homes ...

When I lived up in Oregon ... we got our power from the US Army Corps of Engineers' Bonneville Power Administration, and the US Army is generally considered a government agency ... and they also own the main trunk lines that run down through Oregon, Jefferson, all the way to South California ... and having a local government agency handle retail distribution was common enough: for example the Eugene Water and Electric Board or the Springfield Utility Board ...

The kicker is that it's strictly illegal to get electric power from any other source ... pure socialism ... government has exclusive ownership of everything electric from river to weatherhead ... I'm paying 6.3¢ per kW-hr ... what are you paying? ... without dividends to pay, they can use maintenance money for maintenance ... they'll drive right onto our property and start cutting down trees, whether we like it or not ...

... or use the Texas system ... little chilly weather and the whole damn grid fails ... woot ... but I'll bet share prices are still healthy ... "profit before people" ... Lord have mercy, it would cut profits by entire tenth's of cents to install a few heaters ...

We can choose the provider but not the transportation company. That's pretty cheap. Our unit cost is somewhere around 9 to 12 cents per KWH. Cheaper than a lot of place - I would imagine - just because of the large quantities we consume (i.e. economy of scale), but nothing like what you are paying. That's a good price.

As for the root cause of our problems this February, I don't think we have gotten the real story and probably never will. I think they got caught with their pants down and did not have enough contractual gas to make up the difference when wind started going off line. I say that because spot prices soared. If their issue was mechanical then there wouldn't have been an impact on natural gas prices at all as the needed volume would have already been under contract.

You dumb ass, the wind going offline was not a major factor. Gas valves froze and put gas offline. Water lines in coal fired and nuke plants froze and put them offline. The problem was that Texas depended on profit driven companies to make the right decisions to protect their investments. And, since those decisions would have cost money, they were not made. That is why government is forced to create regulations to force the companies to make the right decisions.

"Back-to-back storms brought heavy snow and frigid temperatures, leading to rolling blackouts. The bulk of the power loss in Texas came from natural gas suppliers, according to regulators, as pipelines froze, making it difficult for plants to get the fuel they needed."

No, Wind Farms Aren’t the Main Cause of the Texas Blackouts (Published 2021)

The state’s widespread electricity failure was largely caused by freezing natural gas pipelines. That didn’t stop advocates for fossil fuels from trying to shift blame.

www.nytimes.com

 

[ding]

About 30% more, and if we had the growth rate from 1960 to 2000, that would take about 6.5 years;

Not that simple. Your neighborhood electrical system may not have been designed to move that many extra electrons into every home, particularly when most people would be charging simultaneously. You would have to have a practical way to keep everybody charged without overloading any part of the system. In addition, most older homes do not have garages and most household seem to have multiple cars so you would have to deal with those practicalities as well. Sure these things can be sorted in time, but they won't be sorted in the 10 years we alleged have left to turn to the tide. Hell, a lot of these problems won't be sorted in ten decades.

How many electrons does a residential house with 3k square feet use?

We have 5 computers, central air, and 3 portable ac's in our house and we test the limits of our circuit. Add a heater to the mix and circuits blow. No way we could afford to add a car charger.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism]

And we know how well that has worked in the past.

The government and the environazis don't care. You will be assimilated. Never mind that no one has actually thought through what it's called when the government controls markets. [cough com cough munism] ... And we know how well that has worked in the past.

Do you have a choice of electric companies where you live? ... that's unusual, typically it's the government who decides which electric company we get power from ... and if we don't like it, we don't get electric power to our homes ...

When I lived up in Oregon ... we got our power from the US Army Corps of Engineers' Bonneville Power Administration, and the US Army is generally considered a government agency ... and they also own the main trunk lines that run down through Oregon, Jefferson, all the way to South California ... and having a local government agency handle retail distribution was common enough: for example the Eugene Water and Electric Board or the Springfield Utility Board ...

The kicker is that it's strictly illegal to get electric power from any other source ... pure socialism ... government has exclusive ownership of everything electric from river to weatherhead ... I'm paying 6.3¢ per kW-hr ... what are you paying? ... without dividends to pay, they can use maintenance money for maintenance ... they'll drive right onto our property and start cutting down trees, whether we like it or not ...

... or use the Texas system ... little chilly weather and the whole damn grid fails ... woot ... but I'll bet share prices are still healthy ... "profit before people" ... Lord have mercy, it would cut profits by entire tenth's of cents to install a few heaters ...

We can choose the provider but not the transportation company. That's pretty cheap. Our unit cost is somewhere around 9 to 12 cents per KWH. Cheaper than a lot of place - I would imagine - just because of the large quantities we consume (i.e. economy of scale), but nothing like what you are paying. That's a good price.

As for the root cause of our problems this February, I don't think we have gotten the real story and probably never will. I think they got caught with their pants down and did not have enough contractual gas to make up the difference when wind started going off line. I say that because spot prices soared. If their issue was mechanical then there wouldn't have been an impact on natural gas prices at all as the needed volume would have already been under contract.

You dumb ass, the wind going offline was not a major factor. Gas valves froze and put gas offline. Water lines in coal fired and nuke plants froze and put them offline. The problem was that Texas depended on profit driven companies to make the right decisions to protect their investments. And, since those decisions would have cost money, they were not made. That is why government is forced to create regulations to force the companies to make the right decisions.

"Back-to-back storms brought heavy snow and frigid temperatures, leading to rolling blackouts. The bulk of the power loss in Texas came from natural gas suppliers, according to regulators, as pipelines froze, making it difficult for plants to get the fuel they needed."

No, Wind Farms Aren’t the Main Cause of the Texas Blackouts (Published 2021)

The state’s widespread electricity failure was largely caused by freezing natural gas pipelines. That didn’t stop advocates for fossil fuels from trying to shift blame.

www.nytimes.com

Shut the fuck up. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[ding]

Read'em and weep Old Rocks

 

[ding]

Old Rocks must be getting tired of all the ass beatings I give him.

 

[ding]

Old Rocks gets all of his "scientific" knowledge from facebook.

 

[daveman]

Upgrading public streets to be more EV friendly could help reduce accidents and improve commute times.

What is an EV friendly public street?

Something analogous to slot cars. Sensors could be placed in the roadways to help EVs navigate better and potentially draw power from that "grid" as well.

Ahhh. How much would that cost?

 

[Old Rocks]

Read'em and weep Old Rocks

View attachment 498006

In Oregon we get more power from renewables than from gas, coal, and nuclear combined.

U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis

www.eia.gov

 

[daveman]

Read'em and weep Old Rocks

View attachment 498006

In Oregon we get more power from renewables than from gas, coal, and nuclear combined.

U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis

www.eia.gov

Two points here:

1. Oregon is not Texas.

2. "In 2019, 49% of Oregon's utility-scale electricity net generation came from hydroelectric power, and 62% came from conventional hydroelectric power plants and other renewable energy resources combined."

Are you saying environmentalists would support new hydroelectric dams being built? Because -- they wouldn't.

 

[ReinyDays]

Read'em and weep Old Rocks

View attachment 498006

What you chart shows is that Texas could cover the electric demand with gas and coal only ... as wind is unreliable ... what you're claiming is that Texas gas suppliers ran their reserves to empty just before a massive polar front moved over the State ... do you have a citation or are you just guessing? ... and please refer to your claim in post #81 that you didn't know what happened ...

The Texas grid doesn't collapse every time the wind stops blowing (c.f. Jan 20th, Jan 23rd, Feb 1st) ... so the natural gas pipeline system can handle all the demand put on it ... something went wrong with the pipeline system ... and now we're laughing at Texas, an energy rich State can't keep her heaters on ... HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ...

Bubba didn't finish Middle School ...

 

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Read'em and weep Old Rocks

View attachment 498006

In Oregon we get more power from renewables than from gas, coal, and nuclear combined.

U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis

www.eia.gov

Good for you. I couldn't be happier.

 

[ding]

Read'em and weep Old Rocks

View attachment 498006

What you chart shows is that Texas could cover the electric demand with gas and coal only ... as wind is unreliable ... what you're claiming is that Texas gas suppliers ran their reserves to empty just before a massive polar front moved over the State ... do you have a citation or are you just guessing? ... and please refer to your claim in post #81 that you didn't know what happened ...

The Texas grid doesn't collapse every time the wind stops blowing (c.f. Jan 20th, Jan 23rd, Feb 1st) ... so the natural gas pipeline system can handle all the demand put on it ... something went wrong with the pipeline system ... and now we're laughing at Texas, an energy rich State can't keep her heaters on ... HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ...

Bubba didn't finish Middle School ...

No. What I am surmising is that the electrical providers counted on wind remaining online and did not contract with the gas marketers for gas to cover the increased generation needed because wind went down. They eventually got the gas to run the plants. It just took a little while to get enough.

The gas fired plants were already there. They just weren't running at full capacity because they were generating power from the wind turbines. Gas fired plants have essentially become swing generators. AND the electrical providers didn't plan for needing that swing because they did not anticipate or plan for the wind turbines going off line.

 

[Old Rocks]

Read'em and weep Old Rocks

View attachment 498006

In Oregon we get more power from renewables than from gas, coal, and nuclear combined.

U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis

www.eia.gov

Two points here:

1. Oregon is not Texas.

2. "In 2019, 49% of Oregon's utility-scale electricity net generation came from hydroelectric power, and 62% came from conventional hydroelectric power plants and other renewable energy resources combined."

Are you saying environmentalists would support new hydroelectric dams being built? Because -- they wouldn't.

Wonderful!!!! We used 111% of the electricity that we used. LOL!!! No, we are not Texas. But there is more potential for wind and solar in Texas than in Oregon. Enough so that they would never need nuclear or fossil fuels if they took advantage of only a small part of it. Oregon also has vast amounts of renewable potential in comparison to it's population, especially in the south eastern part of Oregon.

 

[danielpalos]

Upgrading public streets to be more EV friendly could help reduce accidents and improve commute times.

What is an EV friendly public street?

Something analogous to slot cars. Sensors could be placed in the roadways to help EVs navigate better and potentially draw power from that "grid" as well.

Ahhh. How much would that cost?

How much does a first world economy cost?