If Conservatives had accomplishments, they wouldn't be so jealous of Liberals

[DigitalDrifter]

"And then the dude says, that conservatives are jealous of liberals !"

 

[Harry Dresden]

is there a vaccine for people obsessed with Republicans?.....just askin....

Yes there is...

And you can buy one at your local Walmart.

They come in varying dosages... so be sure to do some homework before ya use it. When in doubt, bigger is better.

thats ok.....i was talking about something to snap the guy out of his mental paranoia and to calm the lad down...killing is for the less mentally advanced among us....are you one of them?....

 

[rdean]

I was just going through this huge list of "conservatives accomplishments". Here it is:

1. Shut down government.

2. Invaded the wrong country.

3. Used reconciliation to pass the deficit creating Bush Tax Cuts.

4. Spent trillions to create the worlds most inept army in Iraq. (we should ask Iraq for our guns back. never been fired and only dropped once)

5.

6.

Anyone have anything else to add?

 

[rdean]

Liberals think government is God. All goodness comes from government. We all live under its' protection and grace and owe everything to the state. Opposition to that is rebellion and evil. That's why you can't reason with libs, you can only defeat them.

Is that what liberals think? Cuz I know lots of liberals and none of them think like that.

Oh wait. You were having another delusion. You've been told, you are NOT supposed to skip your meds. Remember last time? Thank God you were acquitted.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[daws101]

Notice right wingers don't even try to present any accomplishments? In fact, they try desperately to justify why there shouldn't be any accomplishments. With out government accomplishments, we wouldn't have the Interstate highway system. We wouldn't have NASA. We wouldn't have our military. There would be no vaccines against polio, the flu and other disease. There wouldn't be anyone helping disaster victims.

You can always tell the more mindless liberal fanatics. They are the ones totally stuck on "If central government doesn't do it, no one will do it", with no evidence to back up their bizarre beliefs.

You said: "If central government doesn't do it, no one will do it", with no evidence to back up their bizarre beliefs.

So you are saying we would have a military without the Government?

(yawn)

See the fourth paragraph of the post I quoted....

We would have NASA without government?
Without government vaccines would just suddenly appear?
Help for disaster victims would appear on it's own?

See how shocked liberal fanatics are when someone suggests to them that Americans can accomplish something without government? Even when they have been doing exactly that for years before government ever intruded, usurped power, and crowded them out of it?

That doesn't even make sense. NASA without government? Polio vaccine without government? Helping disaster victims without government? What is wrong with you? Handing your neighbor that extra can of cream corn is hardly the same of airlifting them out of a flood.

Polio Vaccine was not a government program... Jonas Salk developed that vaccine through a little group OKA: The March of Dimes... which is a private, non-profit organization, which was created to fight Polio.

Nasa was definitely a government program, which was crippled by other government programs which seek to provide for social justice... the host of 'government programs' chiefly responsible for crippling NASA is a little group of Government programs known as: "The Great Society".

But don't feel too bad for NASA... as those programs have crippled tens of millions...

Try to hold on lil' fella... but the truth is Socialism KILLS progress.

right!
btw Salk's work was funded by grants from the government as well as private funding so as always you are only half right.

 

[daws101]

Conservatives use government programs
Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Hidden Federal Government Benefits [/paste:font]
Hidden Government Benefits
By SUZANNE METTLER
September 19, 2011
Ithaca, N.Y.

DON’T take at face value the claims that Americans dislike government. Sure, a recent ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 56 percent of Americans said they wanted smaller government and fewer services.

Tea Party activists, the most vocal citizens of our time, powerfully amplify those demands. Yet the reality is that the vast majority of Americans have at some point relied on government programs — and valued them — even though they often fail to recognize that government is the source of the assistance.

A 2008 poll of 1,400 Americans by the Cornell Survey Research Institute found that when people were asked whether they had “ever used a government social program,” 57 percent said they had not. Respondents were then asked whether they had availed themselves of any of 21 different federal policies, including Social Security, unemployment insurance, the home-mortgage-interest deduction and student loans. It turned out that 94 percent of those who had denied using programs had benefited from at least one; the average respondent had used four.

Americans often fail to recognize government’s role in society, even if they have experienced it in their own lives. That is because so much of what government does today is largely invisible.

Individuals’ political views partly account for their perceptions.

In the Cornell poll, a respondent who self-identified as “extremely liberal” was 20 percentage points more likely to acknowledge using a government program than someone who used the same number of programs but was “extremely conservative.” Also, those who believed that the nation spent too much on welfare were less likely to admit that they had used a “government social program,” perhaps because that term had pejorative connotations.

Besides political ideology, the design of policies also influences awareness.
The most visible policies are those that require people to interact frequently or intensively with public officials to qualify for benefits, like food stamps, disability payments and subsidized housing.

Another set of programs, including Medicare, Pell Grants and Social Security retirement benefits, are also fairly visible, though each contains characteristics that can camouflage government’s role.

The man at the town hall meeting in the summer of 2009 who angrily told his congressman, “Keep your government hands off my Medicare,” might have been in less of a state of denial than many believed: last year, one in four Medicare beneficiaries got their benefits through a private insurance company.

In the case of Social Security, checks are sent directly by the government, making it clear why 56 percent of beneficiaries in the Cornell poll acknowledged the use of a social program. But the denial by the remaining 44 percent is also understandable, given that individuals contributed directly from their paychecks to help finance the program. President Franklin D. Roosevelt insisted on this arrangement, knowing the benefits would be understood as an earned right. That way, he said, “no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program.”

The final group of policies, what I call the “submerged state,” is largely invisible because its benefits are channeled through the tax code and subsidies to private organizations. These include the home-mortgage-interest deduction and the exemption from taxes on employer-provided health and retirement benefits. Using “submerged” benefits is nearly as common as using more visible policies.

Even personal encounters with the submerged state fail to make most people recognize that they have benefited from government. The greater the number of visible policies an individual had used, the more likely he or she was to agree that “government programs have helped me in times of need,” but greater use of policies of the submerged state had no comparable impact.

Likewise, the greater the number of visible policies used, the higher the rate of agreement that “government has provided me opportunities to improve my standard of living”; by contrast, those who had used more submerged policies were more likely to disagree. The hidden policies left beneficiaries with the false impression that their economic security was owed merely to their own efforts.

The submerged state obscures the role of government and exaggerates that of the market. It leaves citizens unaware of the source of programs and unable to form meaningful opinions about them.

Until political leaders reveal government benefits for what they are by talking openly about them, we cannot have an honest discussion about spending, taxes or deficits. The stipulation in the new health care reform law that W-2 forms must indicate the value of untaxed employer-provided health care benefits is a step in the right direction. The government should also provide “receipts” that inform people of the size of each benefit they get through the tax code.

The threat to democracy today is not the size of government but rather the hidden form that so much of its growth has taken. If those who assume government has never helped them could see how it has, it might help defuse our polarized political climate and reinvigorate informed citizenship.

Suzanne Mettler, a professor of government at Cornell, is the author of “The Submerged State: How Invisible Government Policies Undermine American Democracy.”
A version of this op-ed appeared in print on September 20, 2011, on page A31 of the New York edition with the headline: Our .

Conservatives use government programs

Shorter Suzanne Mettler-

If you use the programs government forces you into paying for and using it must mean you like them.

sorry shithead nobody forces you to use any of the programs
for instance the aca
you are under no obligation to use it.
if you are doing well enough to pay for your own insurance
or if your as self-sufficient as many conservatives pretend they are you can go without medical care and further over crowd the emergency rooms of the usa.
but
if you did that you'd be using a government program you hate.
what a conundrum!
or you could die holding up an irrational philosophy.

You're sorry? No need to be sorry asshole just point out where I can opt out of SS and get all of my money back. I promise I won't use it when the time comes but if forced to pay in I will, no matter how much I have made, be taking full advantage and using every single trick I can to take as much of that money as possible.

What is it about you self serving assholes that can't grasp the concept that self sufficiency is using what you pay for to your full advantage? You idiots seem to be under the impression we should just pay into these programs and not get any benefits and if we don't we're hypocrits. We made the investment you fucks forced us to make with OUR money and then want to call us out for wanting a return on that money? Fuck you.

I hate the programs you are forcing me to pay into. I could do so much better not only for myself but for others if I didn't have to pay your stupid government run bloated pile of shit programs.

I'll take that as a yes but only because they made me.
btw "self sufficiency" in the way you mean is not a realistic pov :

self-sufficiency

Also found in: Legal, Wikipedia.
self-suf·fi·cient
(sĕlf′sə-fĭsh′ənt)
adj.
1. Able to provide for oneself without the help of others; independent.
2. Having undue confidence; smug
what you are saying when you utter those most sacred of conservative nut job words is you have the ability to grow you own food build your own roads make your own electricity .do your own heath care. etc.
even the pioneers who you guy emulated as self sufficient in realty were not, they like us needed people with other skill and their own to survive..
social security is a gamble any why you look at it you could die and never collect it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm amazed that Republicans have so little understanding of science they believe a single man cured polio funded by dimes. Just one guy.

I wonder, do they think he was working out of his garage? This is how Republicans see a scientist hard at work:

And they wonder why we laugh at them.

 

[daws101]

is there a vaccine for people obsessed with Republicans?.....just askin....

Yes there is...

And you can buy one at your local Walmart.

They come in varying dosages... so be sure to do some homework before ya use it. When in doubt, bigger is better.

oh no the bullet ploy! are you inferring you will murder for you belief? or do you just have a small penis? probably drive a raised pick up with a nut sack hanging from the rear bumper too!

 

[daws101]

I was just going through this huge list of "conservatives accomplishments". Here it is:

1. Shut down government.

2. Invaded the wrong country.

3. Used reconciliation to pass the deficit creating Bush Tax Cuts.

4. Spent trillions to create the worlds most inept army in Iraq. (we should ask Iraq for our guns back. never been fired and only dropped once)

5.

6.

Anyone have anything else to add?

criminal mishandling of Katrina
supported homophobic and anti science legislation

 

[Dot Com]

Hypocrisy Alert GOP Leaders Attend Ribbon-Cutting Ceremonies for Projects They Opposed Democrats.org

Teapubs do a lot of "saying one thing and doing another" CrusaderFrank

 

[hadit]

Occasionally, non-conservatives feel badly about themselves, so they try to make themselves feel better by bad-mouthing those they really want to emulate. Sad, really. Kind of like like the unpopular kids sitting in the corner telling each other how horrible the popular ones are.

 

[rightwinger]

Conservatives have accomplishments:

More Prisons
More executions
Tougher Drug Laws
Shut down Government
Iraq and Afganistan wars

 

[hadit]

Conservatives have accomplishments:

More Prisons
More executions
Tougher Drug Laws
Shut down Government
Iraq and Afganistan wars

Case in point.

 

[Dot Com]

 

[BULLDOG]

There should be a "Liberal Appreciation Day" celebrated in this country considering what they have brought to America.

The very definition of "Conservative" is "fear of change". I have no doubt that without liberals, we would be theocratic English colonies with slaves.

And look at our history of Literature, Theater, Dance, Music and the other arts. The history of Art in America is almost the History of Gays. So much from such a small group of people. Look at how much America owes Alan Turing and he wasn't even American.

Our greatest institutions of higher learning, research and technology are mostly in Blue States for a reason.

Weekends, 40 hour work week, child labor laws, vacations, health care, equal pay for equal work, and all the other benefits workers get were never supported by conservatives. These have always been seen as "liberal".

And when you look at the enormous diversity within Liberals as a group, they will be a strong force far into the future. Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, gays, atheists, religious, rich, poor, scientists, teachers, straights and so on.

We really should have a "Liberal Appreciation Day". To thank Liberals for what they brought to this country in spite of so much opposition.

How about Kiss My Conservative Ass Day, liberal?

First, you would need to whistle so you can tell which end is which.

 

[rightwinger]

Liberals gave us the Welfare State, Public Housing, Public education and voting rights for the non-living

 

[Little-Acorn]

How typical of the usual liberal fanatics, to think that government must show "accomplishments".

Government is only there to protect people's rights. Basically, to protect people from being messed with unjustly by other people.

When government does its job right, nobody notices, because there is nothing much to see. You can live your life without unjust interference from others, is all. Government will seem like a very small part of your life, because it mostly stays out of your way (as long as you don't violate your neighbors' rights) and you live your life normally.

If another country attacks, then government must get much bigger, taking a large part of the GDP, to fight them off and defeat them. Then its "accomplishments" become noticeable. When the enemy is defeated, then govt must shrink back down, relinquish its power, and fade into the background (mostly) again. At least, a good government will.

Liberals see government differently, of course. Government must become a major part of everyone's lives (whether they like it or not), doling out money for health care, nice workplaces, retirement funds, and even regulating what light bulbs you can buy and how much water your toilet uses. And a host of other things.

To liberals, government must show more and more "accomplishments" all the time. To conservatives, that's what it must NOT do, except in dire emergencies it is empowered to deal with.

So it's not surprising that the hate-filled liberals on this board, try to condemn conservatives for not "showing enough accomplishments".

Liberals think that's a condemnation. But in fact, it's a compliment. The less government is seen, the better it is. Except in grave emergencies, of course (wars etc.) that it is supposed to deal with. But in general, a government that shows few "accomplishments" (or none in peacetime) is likely doing its job right.

 

[daws101]

How typical of the usual liberal fanatics, to think that government must show "accomplishments".

Government is only there to protect people's rights. Basically, to protect people from being messed with unjustly by other people.

When government does its job right, nobody notices, because there is nothing much to see. You can live your life without unjust interference from others, is all. Government will seem like a very small part of your life, because it mostly stays out of your way (as long as you don't violate your neighbors' rights) and you live your life normally.

If another country attacks, then government must get much bigger, taking a large part of the GDP, to fight them off and defeat them. Then its "accomplishments" become noticeable. When the enemy is defeated, then govt must shrink back down, relinquish its power, and fade into the background (mostly) again. At least, a good government will.

Liberals see government differently, of course. Government must become a major part of everyone's lives (whether they like it or not), doling out money for health care, nice workplaces, retirement funds, and even regulating what light bulbs you can buy and how much water your toilet uses. And a host of other things.

To liberals, government must show more and more "accomplishments" all the time. To conservatives, that's what it must NOT do, except in dire emergencies it is empowered to deal with.

So it's not surprising that the hate-filled liberals on this board, try to condemn conservatives for not "showing enough accomplishments".

Liberals think that's a condemnation. But in fact, it's a compliment. The less government is seen, the better it is. Except in grave emergencies, of course (wars etc.) that it is supposed to deal with. But in general, a government that shows few "accomplishments" (or none in peacetime) is likely doing its job right.

“Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.”
― Narcotics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous

 

[Harry Dresden]

I was just going through this huge list of "conservatives accomplishments". Here it is:

1. Shut down government.

2. Invaded the wrong country.

3. Used reconciliation to pass the deficit creating Bush Tax Cuts.

4. Spent trillions to create the worlds most inept army in Iraq. (we should ask Iraq for our guns back. never been fired and only dropped once)

5.

6.

Anyone have anything else to add?

yea.....you forgot..."let him die!".....