If Negros Had Been Left To Their Own Devices...

[Coyote]

The civil war started over slavery as the defining issue and has been white wasted by the losers ever since.

What is the meaning of "white wasted"?

I won't argue with you about the reason for the Civil War. We both know the date the Civil War began and when the Emancipation Proclamation was signed.

We also know that Progressives on FEELINGS only and hate it when FACTS and never, ever compare the results of a program. After all, if a Progressive program is measured and found to be failing it's because not enough money was spent.

White washed.

Typo.

So you agree slavery was the central issue?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

And the amazing FACT is...we all came out of Africa!

Yes...Europeans are Africans.

Let's Celebrate our Share Heritage!

Africans had enormous cranial capacities back then.

Look at Boskop man, perhaps the largest cranium group in existence in Hominids, now Africans have much smaller craniums.

Yet they became extinct....not the progenerators of modern microcephalic man, European or African...

Maybe not... Boskop man may have very well became Bushman.... A very telling warning of Humanity's future... If true then Boskop man's cranial; capacity shrunk to Bushman by as much as a 1/4th, or even 1/3rd.

It seems Human intelligence came about by accident, probably in light of genetic drift, and some strange disaster.

However, it seems likely that Human intelligence is probably generally a recessive trait.

The fact that the cranial capacities shrank so much in Africa, the highest genetic diversity region, is very telling.

 

[Coyote]

And the amazing FACT is...we all came out of Africa!

Yes...Europeans are Africans.

Let's Celebrate our Share Heritage!

Africans had enormous cranial capacities back then.

Look at Boskop man, perhaps the largest cranium group in existence in Hominids, now Africans have much smaller craniums.

Yet they became extinct....not the progenerators of modern microcephalic man, European or African...

Maybe not... Boskop man may have very well became Bushman.... A very telling warning of Humanity's future... If true then Boskop man's cranial; capacity shrunk to Bushman by as much as a 1/4th.

It seems Human intelligence came about by accident, probably in light of genetic drift, and some strange disaster.

However, it seems likely that Human intelligence is probably generally a recessive trait.

The fact that the cranial capacities shrank so much in Africa, the highest genetic diversity region, is very telling.

Seems unrelated to IQ. Brain size and correlates with IQ

Another racist wetdream smashed by science. Environment is more influential.

 

[Vastator]

And the amazing FACT is...we all came out of Africa!

Yes...Europeans are Africans.

Let's Celebrate our Share Heritage!

Africans had enormous cranial capacities back then.

Look at Boskop man, perhaps the largest cranium group in existence in Hominids, now Africans have much smaller craniums.

Yet they became extinct....not the progenerators of modern microcephalic man, European or African...

Maybe not... Boskop man may have very well became Bushman.... A very telling warning of Humanity's future... If true then Boskop man's cranial; capacity shrunk to Bushman by as much as a 1/4th.

It seems Human intelligence came about by accident, probably in light of genetic drift, and some strange disaster.

However, it seems likely that Human intelligence is probably generally a recessive trait.

The fact that the cranial capacities shrank so much in Africa, the highest genetic diversity region, is very telling.

Seems unrelated to IQ. Brain size and correlates with IQ

Another racist wetdream smashed by science. Environment is more influential.

Wrong. The writer of your NY times selection does nothing but question a Canonized work; The Bell Curve. Because he doesn’t like his study sample. He does nothing but wonder how the results might vary if he changed environmental factors. He offers no actual research, or science of his own which contradicts the brilliant work laid out in The Bell Curve.
Try again...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

And the amazing FACT is...we all came out of Africa!

Yes...Europeans are Africans.

Let's Celebrate our Share Heritage!

Africans had enormous cranial capacities back then.

Look at Boskop man, perhaps the largest cranium group in existence in Hominids, now Africans have much smaller craniums.

Yet they became extinct....not the progenerators of modern microcephalic man, European or African...

Maybe not... Boskop man may have very well became Bushman.... A very telling warning of Humanity's future... If true then Boskop man's cranial; capacity shrunk to Bushman by as much as a 1/4th.

It seems Human intelligence came about by accident, probably in light of genetic drift, and some strange disaster.

However, it seems likely that Human intelligence is probably generally a recessive trait.

The fact that the cranial capacities shrank so much in Africa, the highest genetic diversity region, is very telling.

Seems unrelated to IQ. Brain size and correlates with IQ

Another racist wetdream smashed by science. Environment is more influential.

The first article is decent, the second one is bad.

Most studies show that the majority of intelligence is genetic, not a major majority, but a majority none the less.

This is not to deny environmental impacts.

No, so sorry but if the dumb idiots at the New York Times are to think environmental poverty is the sole cause of IQ differences, they themselves must have some kind of IQ malfunction.

There's no reason why Chinese in China score a higher IQ than not just Blacks, but also Whites in the U.S.A... The fact is China's income are very poor in comparison to those in the U.S, including Black incomes which tower above Chinese in China.

 

[BlackSand]

The point is that Muslims and Europeans had been in contact for well over a century, prior to the subsaharan continent receiving much in the way of out side influence. So the premise that Negros "taught" the Europeans how to read and write is patently absurd. His entire claim is predicted on the fallacy that the north African haplogroup were Negros. They weren't.

I guess you really didn't get the part where I said it didn't make a difference to me who was first at anything millennia ago ...

I know some of the history (albeit I am not a historian).
But ... Even a basic knowledge of the global map would indicate that land based trade routes would have to go through Arab lands to possibly connect Europe to Africa.
If someone wants to argue that their ancestors made steel before the next swinging dick down the road ... Well, I hate to say it, but I don't see the benefit in arguing about it.

.

 

[Coyote]

And the amazing FACT is...we all came out of Africa!

Yes...Europeans are Africans.

Let's Celebrate our Share Heritage!

Africans had enormous cranial capacities back then.

Look at Boskop man, perhaps the largest cranium group in existence in Hominids, now Africans have much smaller craniums.

Yet they became extinct....not the progenerators of modern microcephalic man, European or African...

Maybe not... Boskop man may have very well became Bushman.... A very telling warning of Humanity's future... If true then Boskop man's cranial; capacity shrunk to Bushman by as much as a 1/4th.

It seems Human intelligence came about by accident, probably in light of genetic drift, and some strange disaster.

However, it seems likely that Human intelligence is probably generally a recessive trait.

The fact that the cranial capacities shrank so much in Africa, the highest genetic diversity region, is very telling.

Seems unrelated to IQ. Brain size and correlates with IQ

Another racist wetdream smashed by science. Environment is more influential.

The first article is decent, the second one is bad.

Most studies show that the majority of intelligence is genetic, not a major majority, but a majority none the less.

This is not to deny environmental impacts.

No, so sorry but if the dumb idiots at the New York Times are to think environmental poverty is the sole cause of IQ differences, they themselves must have some kind of IQ malfunction.

There's no reason why Chinese in China score a higher IQ than not just Blacks, but also Whites in the U.S.A... The fact is China's income are very poor in comparison to those in the U.S, including Black incomes which tower above Chinese in China.

Actually...most studies do NOT show that the majority of intelligence is genetic because they can not ethically seperate environmental factors from genetic factors in cases of people born with normal intelligence. Add to that - IQ tests are heavily biased by culture and educational achievement.

Just for consideration, consider this. Environment. A region can be decimated by famine - which hits children hardest and in young children stunts the brain. That's environment. Not genetics. Those children, if they survive and reproduce in a non-famine environment will have normal children.

In the case of China - what IQ tests are administered? By WHOM? Which Chinese get them?

 

[Coyote]

The point is that Muslims and Europeans had been in contact for well over a century, prior to the subsaharan continent receiving much in the way of out side influence. So the premise that Negros "taught" the Europeans how to read and write is patently absurd. His entire claim is predicted on the fallacy that the north African haplogroup were Negros. They weren't.

I guess you really didn't get the part where I said it didn't make a difference to me who was first at anything millennia ago ...

I know some of the history (albeit I am not historian).
But ... Even a basic knowledge of the global map would indicate that land based trade routes would have to go through Arab lands to possibly connect Europe to Africa.
If someone wants to argue that their ancestors made steel before the next swing dick down the road ... Well, I hate to say it, but I don't see the benefit in arguing about it.

.

When people start to argue genetics, race and IQ and who did what first - then you have to wonder what the hidden agenda is.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Africans had enormous cranial capacities back then.

Look at Boskop man, perhaps the largest cranium group in existence in Hominids, now Africans have much smaller craniums.

Yet they became extinct....not the progenerators of modern microcephalic man, European or African...

Maybe not... Boskop man may have very well became Bushman.... A very telling warning of Humanity's future... If true then Boskop man's cranial; capacity shrunk to Bushman by as much as a 1/4th.

It seems Human intelligence came about by accident, probably in light of genetic drift, and some strange disaster.

However, it seems likely that Human intelligence is probably generally a recessive trait.

The fact that the cranial capacities shrank so much in Africa, the highest genetic diversity region, is very telling.

Seems unrelated to IQ. Brain size and correlates with IQ

Another racist wetdream smashed by science. Environment is more influential.

The first article is decent, the second one is bad.

Most studies show that the majority of intelligence is genetic, not a major majority, but a majority none the less.

This is not to deny environmental impacts.

No, so sorry but if the dumb idiots at the New York Times are to think environmental poverty is the sole cause of IQ differences, they themselves must have some kind of IQ malfunction.

There's no reason why Chinese in China score a higher IQ than not just Blacks, but also Whites in the U.S.A... The fact is China's income are very poor in comparison to those in the U.S, including Black incomes which tower above Chinese in China.

Actually...most studies do NOT show that the majority of intelligence is genetic because they can not ethically seperate environmental factors from genetic factors in cases of people born with normal intelligence. Add to that - IQ tests are heavily biased by culture and educational achievement.

Just for consideration, consider this. Environment. A region can be decimated by famine - which hits children hardest and in young children stunts the brain. That's environment. Not genetics. Those children, if they survive and reproduce in a non-famine environment will have normal children.

In the case of China - what IQ tests are administered? By WHOM? Which Chinese get them?

Twin studies / adoption studies support that intelligence is highly heritable.

Genetics and intelligence differences: five special findings

Genes found for educational attainment support that intelligence is highly heritable.

http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...79/title/Genetics-of-Educational-Attainment-/

 

[BlackSand]

When people start to argue genetics, race and IQ and who did what first - then you have to wonder what the hidden agenda is.

Nah ... For me, if I listen to them long enough ... It really isn't all that hidden.
But note to the wise ... Don't tell them what you have figured out ... They will only deny it (or at least try to justify or put window dressing on it) ...

.

 

[deanrd]

If Negros Had Been Left To Their Own Devices...

You know, I say the same thing about white crackers in the south. If it weren't for Blue States to prop them up, they would all be even worse than the millions of ignorant and poor white crackers that live in Appalachia.

 

[Coyote]

Yet they became extinct....not the progenerators of modern microcephalic man, European or African...

Maybe not... Boskop man may have very well became Bushman.... A very telling warning of Humanity's future... If true then Boskop man's cranial; capacity shrunk to Bushman by as much as a 1/4th.

It seems Human intelligence came about by accident, probably in light of genetic drift, and some strange disaster.

However, it seems likely that Human intelligence is probably generally a recessive trait.

The fact that the cranial capacities shrank so much in Africa, the highest genetic diversity region, is very telling.

Seems unrelated to IQ. Brain size and correlates with IQ

Another racist wetdream smashed by science. Environment is more influential.

The first article is decent, the second one is bad.

Most studies show that the majority of intelligence is genetic, not a major majority, but a majority none the less.

This is not to deny environmental impacts.

No, so sorry but if the dumb idiots at the New York Times are to think environmental poverty is the sole cause of IQ differences, they themselves must have some kind of IQ malfunction.

There's no reason why Chinese in China score a higher IQ than not just Blacks, but also Whites in the U.S.A... The fact is China's income are very poor in comparison to those in the U.S, including Black incomes which tower above Chinese in China.

Actually...most studies do NOT show that the majority of intelligence is genetic because they can not ethically seperate environmental factors from genetic factors in cases of people born with normal intelligence. Add to that - IQ tests are heavily biased by culture and educational achievement.

Just for consideration, consider this. Environment. A region can be decimated by famine - which hits children hardest and in young children stunts the brain. That's environment. Not genetics. Those children, if they survive and reproduce in a non-famine environment will have normal children.

In the case of China - what IQ tests are administered? By WHOM? Which Chinese get them?

Twin studies / adoption studies support that intelligence is highly heritable.

Genetics and intelligence differences: five special findings

Genes found for educational attainment support that intelligence is highly heritable.

http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...79/title/Genetics-of-Educational-Attainment-/

From one of your links...

No traits are 100% heritable
For some areas of behavioural research—especially in psychiatry—the pendulum has swung so far from a focus on nurture to a focus on nature that it is important to highlight a second law of genetics for complex traits and common disorders: All traits show substantial environmental influence, in that heritability is not 100% for any trait. Acceptance of the importance of both genetic and environmental influences leads to interest in the interplay between genes and environment, such as their interaction (moderation) and correlation (mediation) in the development of complex traits, Plomin et al.6 pp 105–127.

 

[Coyote]

If Negros Had Been Left To Their Own Devices...

You know, I say the same thing about white crackers in the south. If it weren't for Blue States to prop them up, they would all be even worse than the millions of ignorant and poor white crackers that live in Appalachia.

Cool it dude. I live in Appalachia.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Maybe not... Boskop man may have very well became Bushman.... A very telling warning of Humanity's future... If true then Boskop man's cranial; capacity shrunk to Bushman by as much as a 1/4th.

It seems Human intelligence came about by accident, probably in light of genetic drift, and some strange disaster.

However, it seems likely that Human intelligence is probably generally a recessive trait.

The fact that the cranial capacities shrank so much in Africa, the highest genetic diversity region, is very telling.

Seems unrelated to IQ. Brain size and correlates with IQ

Another racist wetdream smashed by science. Environment is more influential.

The first article is decent, the second one is bad.

Most studies show that the majority of intelligence is genetic, not a major majority, but a majority none the less.

This is not to deny environmental impacts.

No, so sorry but if the dumb idiots at the New York Times are to think environmental poverty is the sole cause of IQ differences, they themselves must have some kind of IQ malfunction.

There's no reason why Chinese in China score a higher IQ than not just Blacks, but also Whites in the U.S.A... The fact is China's income are very poor in comparison to those in the U.S, including Black incomes which tower above Chinese in China.

Actually...most studies do NOT show that the majority of intelligence is genetic because they can not ethically seperate environmental factors from genetic factors in cases of people born with normal intelligence. Add to that - IQ tests are heavily biased by culture and educational achievement.

Just for consideration, consider this. Environment. A region can be decimated by famine - which hits children hardest and in young children stunts the brain. That's environment. Not genetics. Those children, if they survive and reproduce in a non-famine environment will have normal children.

In the case of China - what IQ tests are administered? By WHOM? Which Chinese get them?

Twin studies / adoption studies support that intelligence is highly heritable.

Genetics and intelligence differences: five special findings

Genes found for educational attainment support that intelligence is highly heritable.

http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...79/title/Genetics-of-Educational-Attainment-/

From one of your links...

No traits are 100% heritable
For some areas of behavioural research—especially in psychiatry—the pendulum has swung so far from a focus on nurture to a focus on nature that it is important to highlight a second law of genetics for complex traits and common disorders: All traits show substantial environmental influence, in that heritability is not 100% for any trait. Acceptance of the importance of both genetic and environmental influences leads to interest in the interplay between genes and environment, such as their interaction (moderation) and correlation (mediation) in the development of complex traits, Plomin et al.6 pp 105–127.

Note that I never said any traits are 100% heritable.

 

[Coyote]

Seems unrelated to IQ. Brain size and correlates with IQ

Another racist wetdream smashed by science. Environment is more influential.

The first article is decent, the second one is bad.

Most studies show that the majority of intelligence is genetic, not a major majority, but a majority none the less.

This is not to deny environmental impacts.

No, so sorry but if the dumb idiots at the New York Times are to think environmental poverty is the sole cause of IQ differences, they themselves must have some kind of IQ malfunction.

There's no reason why Chinese in China score a higher IQ than not just Blacks, but also Whites in the U.S.A... The fact is China's income are very poor in comparison to those in the U.S, including Black incomes which tower above Chinese in China.

Actually...most studies do NOT show that the majority of intelligence is genetic because they can not ethically seperate environmental factors from genetic factors in cases of people born with normal intelligence. Add to that - IQ tests are heavily biased by culture and educational achievement.

Just for consideration, consider this. Environment. A region can be decimated by famine - which hits children hardest and in young children stunts the brain. That's environment. Not genetics. Those children, if they survive and reproduce in a non-famine environment will have normal children.

In the case of China - what IQ tests are administered? By WHOM? Which Chinese get them?

Twin studies / adoption studies support that intelligence is highly heritable.

Genetics and intelligence differences: five special findings

Genes found for educational attainment support that intelligence is highly heritable.

http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...79/title/Genetics-of-Educational-Attainment-/

From one of your links...

No traits are 100% heritable
For some areas of behavioural research—especially in psychiatry—the pendulum has swung so far from a focus on nurture to a focus on nature that it is important to highlight a second law of genetics for complex traits and common disorders: All traits show substantial environmental influence, in that heritability is not 100% for any trait. Acceptance of the importance of both genetic and environmental influences leads to interest in the interplay between genes and environment, such as their interaction (moderation) and correlation (mediation) in the development of complex traits, Plomin et al.6 pp 105–127.

Note that I never said any traits are 100% heritable.

The point they make is "substantial" environmental influence.

There is no way to ethically seperate enviro from genetics espcially in traits like IQ that are most likely multi-genetic combined heavily with environment. We have trouble enough with mental illness where, as they say - genetics loads the gun and environment fires it.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The point is that Muslims and Europeans had been in contact for well over a century, prior to the subsaharan continent receiving much in the way of out side influence. So the premise that Negros "taught" the Europeans how to read and write is patently absurd. His entire claim is predicted on the fallacy that the north African haplogroup were Negros. They weren't.

I guess you really didn't get the part where I said it didn't make a difference to me who was first at anything millennia ago ...

I know some of the history (albeit I am not historian).
But ... Even a basic knowledge of the global map would indicate that land based trade routes would have to go through Arab lands to possibly connect Europe to Africa.
If someone wants to argue that their ancestors made steel before the next swing dick down the road ... Well, I hate to say it, but I don't see the benefit in arguing about it.

.

When people start to argue genetics, race and IQ and who did what first - then you have to wonder what the hidden agenda is.

What's the alternative?
Having the low IQ people out populate, and breed with Whitey until there's no more Whitey, and in Whitey's place is a sort of Third-World swath?

 

[Coyote]

For those who are hung up on IQ tests - is it possible to have an IQ test that isn't culturally or educationally biased?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

For those who are hung up on IQ tests - is it possible to have an IQ test that isn't culturally or educationally biased?

So, an IQ test founded by Whites somehow is culturally biased in favor of East Asians over Whites?

 

[Coyote]

The point is that Muslims and Europeans had been in contact for well over a century, prior to the subsaharan continent receiving much in the way of out side influence. So the premise that Negros "taught" the Europeans how to read and write is patently absurd. His entire claim is predicted on the fallacy that the north African haplogroup were Negros. They weren't.

I guess you really didn't get the part where I said it didn't make a difference to me who was first at anything millennia ago ...

I know some of the history (albeit I am not historian).
But ... Even a basic knowledge of the global map would indicate that land based trade routes would have to go through Arab lands to possibly connect Europe to Africa.
If someone wants to argue that their ancestors made steel before the next swing dick down the road ... Well, I hate to say it, but I don't see the benefit in arguing about it.

.

When people start to argue genetics, race and IQ and who did what first - then you have to wonder what the hidden agenda is.

What's the alternative?
Having the low IQ people out populate, and breed with Whitey until there's no more Whitey, and in Whitey's place is a sort of Third-World swath?

Umh....the alternative is that this isn't a all or nothing scenario. You're assuming "whitey" is somthing better than "low IQ" to start with.

The alternative is to quite viewing issues in terms of race and IQ.

 

[Coyote]

For those who are hung up on IQ tests - is it possible to have an IQ test that isn't culturally or educationally biased?

So, an IQ test founded by Whites somehow is culturally biased in favor of East Asians over Whites?

That is not what I said. Think it through....

I'll give you an example.

Is it a horse or a pony?