If Republicans Cared About Families, They’d Stop Blocking Paid Leave

[M14 Shooter]

Still looking for that necessary relationship.

I've shown you the necessary fucking relationship

Incorrect.
You've offered information.
You have not at all shown how that information proves that your latter term necessarily followed form the former.
That is, you stand on post hoc ergo propter hoc.

I've offered information, demonstrated a connection....

You have demonstrated no such thing.
You have claimed a connection; you have not demonstrated a necessary relationship.
"Necessary relationship": -- that from the former, and only from the former, the latter must have flowed.
So far, you haven't proven a thing.

It's clear nothing will change your mind, I've shown you five times!

You have not in any way demonstrated the necessary relationship needed to prove your point.
"Necessary relationship": -- that from the former, and only from the former, the latter must have flowed.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You clearly do not have a clue..

Don't like it when someone does it to you, huh?!

What did you do other than make an obviously and demonstrably inaccurate observation?

 

[kiwiman127]

Despite all of the GOP's campaign promises regarding helping/boosting the middle class, they have not done one thing to back up their promises.
This is just another example.

You don't have a job that has paid leave?
Your fault.
No one else.
Just you.

Their blockage of raising the minimum wage is another.

You don't have a job that pays more than minimum wage?
Your fault.
No one else.
Just you.

Despite all of the GOP's campaign promises regarding helping/boosting the middle class, they have not done one thing to back up their promises.
This is just another example.

You don't have a job that has paid leave?
Your fault.
No one else.
Just you.

Their blockage of raising the minimum wage is another.

You don't have a job that pays more than minimum wage?
Your fault.
No one else.
Just you.

Fortunately, I'm in upper management and my wife owns her practice so they aren't my problems.
But because I grew up in a working middle class family and because my job deals with economic demographics, I've watched the demise of the middle class. It's real, it's not only a problem for the middle class, it also is effecting the stabilization of the US economy.
Secondly, you really didn't address the direction of my post, which addressed the GOP's broken campaign promises they made to the middle class and I would bet that covers 99% of USMB posters including you!

 

[easyt65]

'What did you do other than make an obviously and demonstrably inaccurate observation?'

TRANSLATION: "Uh-Uh....not true.

 

[BlueGin]

Republican "family values" don't exist, unless it involves protecting zygotes.
If Republicans Cared About Families, They’d Stop Blocking Paid Leave

Several participants at the Republican debate last week spoke fervently about putting Rosa Parks’ image on the $10 bill. They also spoke fervently in support of a decision by Congress to defund Planned Parenthood—an organization that counted Rosa Parks among the members of its national board.

The contradiction would have been obvious and painful to Ms. Parks. Like many of us, she’d have been bewildered by the priorities of candidates who have held vote after vote on shutting down vital health services for women, but won’t even schedule a hearing on the FAMILY Act, a bill to provide affordable family and medical leave. It’s impossible to care about families and leave communities bereft of services for contraception, mammograms and other cancer screenings, and dozens more critical health services for women. It’s also impossible to call yourself “pro-life” and oppose a badly-needed, common sense program to make family and medical leave affordable to care for a new child or a seriously ill family member.

In 1993, the Family and Medical Leave Act passed Congress with bipartisan support. The FMLA provided up to 12 weeks unpaid leave for care of a new child or a serious personal illness or that of a child, spouse or parent. Republicans as well as Democrats saw that valuing family meant making sure people could care for family members without losing their jobs or health insurance. Many of the state and local campaigns within Family Values @ Work’s national network have leaders from both parties—including the numerous Republicans leading the charge for the Family Care Act in Georgia.

So what’s the problem in the nation’s capital today?

The FMLA is now 22 years old. While it constituted a major breakthrough and established the principle that having a family shouldn’t cost you your job, the leave remains out of reach for millions—some because they’re not covered by its protections (two-fifths of the nation’s workforce), and many who are eligible because they cannot afford to take unpaid leave. According to a study done for the Department of Labor (DOL), nearly one in four employed mothers who are pregnant go back to work within two weeks of giving birth—with disastrous results for maternal and infant health. Others who take the time they need to heal and bond with a child often face financial hardship.

That should be the companies they are employed with incentives for employment. Not mandated by the government. Most already have this via FMLA.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Despite all of the GOP's campaign promises regarding helping/boosting the middle class, they have not done one thing to back up their promises.
This is just another example.

You don't have a job that has paid leave?
Your fault.
No one else.
Just you.

Their blockage of raising the minimum wage is another.

You don't have a job that pays more than minimum wage?
Your fault.
No one else.
Just you.

Despite all of the GOP's campaign promises regarding helping/boosting the middle class, they have not done one thing to back up their promises.
This is just another example.

You don't have a job that has paid leave?
Your fault.
No one else.
Just you.

Their blockage of raising the minimum wage is another.

You don't have a job that pays more than minimum wage?
Your fault.
No one else.
Just you.

Secondly, you really didn't address the direction of my post, which addressed the GOP's broken campaign promises they made to the middle class and I would bet that covers 99% of USMB posters including you!

I did.
I reject the premise that people are entitled to things like paid leave, regardless what political party promises them.
You ARE entitled to the terms of whatever agreement you make with your employer, assuming you hold up your end of re bargain.
If that agreement does not involve paid leave, then you do not have paid leave because you chose to enter into an agreement that supplies it - that is, it is YOUR fault.
The fact that you did not negotiate paid leave into your deal in no way entitles you to action from congress to remedy the situation.

 

[Pop23]

Such a highly educated population and all I ever see is hands held out like panhandlers.

Good god, what a waiste of educational resources.

 

[paulitician]

Businesses who choose not to help our American Mothers out, are neither Americans or good people. Period, end of story.

 

[The Rabbi]

as I said:
When you have a meaningful job, you'll be exposed to this

Another useless deflection with no context since you know you're wrong.

Fact:
OT means more effort for less money, in that is cheaper to pay 1.5x than hire additional employees.
This is who employers concerned about such things offer or require overtime for employees.
You do not understand this because you have yet to find meaningful employment, where such thing occur.

Actually, it's cheaper to not let employees go into overtime and find someone else to cover what they would be doing. This is the case most of the time. You're an idiot.

You clearly have never worked a meaningful job or hired anyone. You are completely wrong. And full of shit. This is why overtime goes up in a recovery before employment increases.

You know nothing about me, keep up the irrelevant nonsense though.

LOL. NO, I've nailed it totally. You've never hired anyone or run anythinbg more than your mouth.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Businesses who choose not to help our American Mothers out, are neither Americans or good people. Period, end of story.

Now you are starting to sound like a David42 sok.

The definition of American has nothing to do with being generous to employees.

However, as has probably already been mentioned....

A good benefits package attracts the best talent.

If you company wants the best....they will be willing to give to get it.

It's an investment.

 

[The Rabbi]

Businesses who choose not to help our American Mothers out, are neither Americans or good people. Period, end of story.

Businesses dont exist to help mothers, workers, suppliers or anyone else except the owners. What part of that did you miss?

 

[rightwinger]

Societies have paid that price for thousands of years
How they deal with the least fortunate among them is a measure of that society.

A woman who CHOOSES to have sex and gets pregnant then CHOOSES to have ELECTED SURGERY to terminate the life of her un-born baby' is NOT 'the least fortunate among us' but is instead an immature, ignorant, selfish individual who has no concept of discipline, personal responsibility, and restraint. Such an individual takes actions based on the belief that he / she already has a 'safety net' that will eliminate the consequences of THEIR choices and actions should something go wrong! Rewarding and ENABLING such behavior does NOTHING to solve the problem but continues and makes such problems even BIGGER!

FORCING 'me' to pay for such ignorant, irresponsible choices and behavior is not being 'charitable' or even 'kind'. It is cruel and ensures the process continues. It also makes slaves of those forced to enable (pay for) the behavior that is, by doing so, 'encouraged'.

Women have gotten pregnant for thousands of years
Society has to deal with it

Married women have abortions too

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Would this make it mandatory for companies with overseas concerns ?

If not, doesn't that continue to shift jobs offshore ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Societies have paid that price for thousands of years
How they deal with the least fortunate among them is a measure of that society.

A woman who CHOOSES to have sex and gets pregnant then CHOOSES to have ELECTED SURGERY to terminate the life of her un-born baby' is NOT 'the least fortunate among us' but is instead an immature, ignorant, selfish individual who has no concept of discipline, personal responsibility, and restraint. Such an individual takes actions based on the belief that he / she already has a 'safety net' that will eliminate the consequences of THEIR choices and actions should something go wrong! Rewarding and ENABLING such behavior does NOTHING to solve the problem but continues and makes such problems even BIGGER!

FORCING 'me' to pay for such ignorant, irresponsible choices and behavior is not being 'charitable' or even 'kind'. It is cruel and ensures the process continues. It also makes slaves of those forced to enable (pay for) the behavior that is, by doing so, 'encouraged'.

Women have gotten pregnant for thousands of years
Society has to deal with it

Married women have abortions too

And the sun rises in the east.

 

[The Rabbi]

Would this make it mandatory for companies with overseas concerns ?

If not, doesn't that continue to shift jobs offshore ?

Then they'l just blame companies for being "unAmerican." See, companies are supposed to follow the progressive agenda: if it moves, tax it. If it still moves, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it.

 

[OKTexas]

This is what happens when hate & greed consumes one. And I think many are still under the impression that angry greedy white Republican guy cares about anything but money. Well, guess what? He only cares about money.

He'd sell or Outsource his own Mother if he saw profit in it. And the worst thing about em is, most consider themselves 'Good Christians.' But Jesus is surely very disappointed in the average white Republican dude at this point.

What a total crock of shit, didn't figure you for a commie propagandist.

 

[The Rabbi]

This is what happens when hate & greed consumes one. And I think many are still under the impression that angry greedy white Republican guy cares about anything but money. Well, guess what? He only cares about money.

He'd sell or Outsource his own Mother if he saw profit in it. And the worst thing about em is, most consider themselves 'Good Christians.' But Jesus is surely very disappointed in the average white Republican dude at this point.

What a total crock of shit, didn't figure you for a commie propagandist.

Paulitician is motivated by hatred of people with more power than him: police, bosses, etc.

 

[rightwinger]

Okay first off many companies already offer parental leave to both parents, mine does. We didn't need the dumb ass government to force us to offer it. Second, what makes you think other companies that are not as well off financially can just shit money out their ass to pay for this benefit? Libs seem to assume companies are greedily hoarding a huge supply of money when in fact many companies struggle and historically thousands of companies big and small have gone bust.

If the libs want to ensure that the only companies that survive their socialist agenda are the big corporations, well just keep passing more and more regulations. Hey I told you before the left is retarded.

Many marginal companies do go bust
Not a reason to sacrifice worker protections. Should we waive the 40 hour week and overtime for companies that are struggling?

That is some liberal idiocy right there ^^^

It is the way the civilized world works. Unchecked capitalism is not in the best interests of the public

I see you doubled down with more idiocy. Go have a look at Upstate NY and Detroit, that's what the left's idiotic ideas and corruption have produced.

Your reply makes zero sense...try again

 

[Pop23]

Businesses who choose not to help our American Mothers out, are neither Americans or good people. Period, end of story.

Bull, an American helps themselves out first and relies on government to build roads and arm and protect us with armies.

The wife and I raised three kids without the governments intervention. Both raised poor, both with only High School educations.

Now we laugh as we watch these highly educated goofs not able to figure the simplist things out without force of law.

 

[rightwinger]

If Republicans Cared About Families, They’d Stop Blocking Paid Leave


Yet another liberal complains that Republicans aren't making government take care of people enough.

Why is it that these people so devoutly believe that if government doesn't do it, nobody will do it?

It's hard to imagine a more narrow-minded, blinders-on stance.

It is a case of the free market not being able to take care of people

When the free market ignores the needs of the population, the government is obligated to step in

That is how we ended child labor, got workplace safety, Social Security, 40 hour workweek, ended segregation and workplace discrimination