If this is true, we are in trouble...

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The Capitalist Republican solution is to have Americans compete with China's wages.

Apparently we deserve less as a society.

No, but we can't have unions forcing companies to grossly overpay their workers while Chinese make what they do. You can't compete that way, and outside of government, unions are now a thing of the past.

No you don't compete with China in the first place, you even the score, by throwing CEO's behind bars who outsource as a criminalized behavior, you make an example, and they'll behave. If they try to move their companies out of the country, you Nationalize them.

Leadership by example, to put them into line by fear.

I certainly don't want Chinese to make the same income as us, but it's happening, meaning China will become the top power house.
That's a problem for us.

I certainly don't want Americans to make the same income as us, but it's happening, meaning American workers will lose income.
That's again, another problem for us.

In a free country we don't allow government to run our businesses. If you think that's a great idea, maybe Cuba is more suited for your liking.

Over here, businesses compete by producing and selling at the cheapest cost. It's been that way for decades now. CEO's are not in charge of that, the American consumer is. And until we can adjust our way of thinking when it comes to purchases, it will stay that way.

You can't blame a CEO because a CEO is answering the demands of his or her customers. HTF can you make that a crime or illegal?

Actually, the USA long had strong business regulation through state regulations.

The Rise of Corporations — Global Issues

RACHEL #488: FIXING CORPORATIONS--PART 1: LEGACY OF THE FOUNDING PARENTS

To say that the USA customer is responsible for outsourcing beyond the CEO, is flat out ridiculous.

The CEO's started the outsourcing, and eventually it has got to the point where everybody has to outsource to compete, we don't even have much of a choice anymore.

Because of falling real wages, we are getting also to the point where we also are forced to buy cheaper, and those real wages are falling because of outsourced jobs in large part.

What's best for the people is what's best for the people.

That's not necessarily freedom, if our society is falling apart because of free will, then freedom therefor has very little, in fact perhaps a negative value.

CEO's didn't start outsourcing just for the hell of it. Consumers demanded cheaper products, and now it's to the point of cheapest products.

We have three goals when it comes to production in the US:

* low cost products.
* high paying jobs.
* reasonable to good returns on investment.

The problem is you can't have all three. So we as a country chose good investments and lower priced products.

Lower priced products sell the most. Good investment returns attract more investors. A CEO is in charge of trying to provide both. If a CEO doesn't provide both or either, then that CEO is going to be looking for another job, likely with less pay. That's how it works.

Total bull-shit.

The products never truly became cheaper, if they had real incomes would've not fallen behind so much, because Americans would have not had an inflation epidemic since 1970.

The problem is CEO's are greedy parasites at this point, they're not the same CEO's prior to the 1960's who took care of workers, and took pride in products.

Now it's all about money, and cutting corners to maximize profits at all costs, to outsource as much as possible to muster more profits, at all costs, even if tanks the economy.

Very short-sighted, and greedy, and I quite frankly don't respect such vermin.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, but we can't have unions forcing companies to grossly overpay their workers while Chinese make what they do. You can't compete that way, and outside of government, unions are now a thing of the past.

No you don't compete with China in the first place, you even the score, by throwing CEO's behind bars who outsource as a criminalized behavior, you make an example, and they'll behave. If they try to move their companies out of the country, you Nationalize them.

Leadership by example, to put them into line by fear.

I certainly don't want Chinese to make the same income as us, but it's happening, meaning China will become the top power house.
That's a problem for us.

I certainly don't want Americans to make the same income as us, but it's happening, meaning American workers will lose income.
That's again, another problem for us.

In a free country we don't allow government to run our businesses. If you think that's a great idea, maybe Cuba is more suited for your liking.

Over here, businesses compete by producing and selling at the cheapest cost. It's been that way for decades now. CEO's are not in charge of that, the American consumer is. And until we can adjust our way of thinking when it comes to purchases, it will stay that way.

You can't blame a CEO because a CEO is answering the demands of his or her customers. HTF can you make that a crime or illegal?

Actually, the USA long had strong business regulation through state regulations.

The Rise of Corporations — Global Issues

RACHEL #488: FIXING CORPORATIONS--PART 1: LEGACY OF THE FOUNDING PARENTS

To say that the USA customer is responsible for outsourcing beyond the CEO, is flat out ridiculous.

The CEO's started the outsourcing, and eventually it has got to the point where everybody has to outsource to compete, we don't even have much of a choice anymore.

Because of falling real wages, we are getting also to the point where we also are forced to buy cheaper, and those real wages are falling because of outsourced jobs in large part.

What's best for the people is what's best for the people.

That's not necessarily freedom, if our society is falling apart because of free will, then freedom therefor has very little, in fact perhaps a negative value.

CEO's didn't start outsourcing just for the hell of it. Consumers demanded cheaper products, and now it's to the point of cheapest products.

We have three goals when it comes to production in the US:

* low cost products.
* high paying jobs.
* reasonable to good returns on investment.

The problem is you can't have all three. So we as a country chose good investments and lower priced products.

Lower priced products sell the most. Good investment returns attract more investors. A CEO is in charge of trying to provide both. If a CEO doesn't provide both or either, then that CEO is going to be looking for another job, likely with less pay. That's how it works.

Total bull-shit.

The products never truly became cheaper, if they had real incomes would've not fallen behind so much, because Americans would have not had an inflation epidemic since 1970.

The problem is CEO's are greedy parasites at this point, they're not the same CEO's prior to the 1960's who took care of workers, and took pride in products.

Now it's all about money, and cutting corners to maximize profits at all costs, to outsource as much as possible to muster more profits, at all costs, even if tanks the economy.

Very short-sighted, and greedy, and I quite frankly don't respect such vermin.

You just agreed with me and not even realize it. Yes, the job of a CEO is to maximize profits. That's what they get paid to do.

Companies rely on investors to operate their business. The more investors, the better the company. How do they make profit? By selling the most of the item they manufacture than their competitors. That requires them to produce products at the cheapest price in order to sell them at the cheapest price.

 

[AntiTrump]

Trump is doing his best to fix this..... the more democrats we vote out of office the better off these people will be......

That is why November is so important....democrats thrive on poverty, racism, hate and violence......

There's no proof trump is trying to fix things else you're talking about tax cuts for the rich and his other disgraceful policies.

No proof!? Dood, you have to get out and about more often.

You need to look stuff up before you type and make sure it's facts.

Why, does your trailer park have a web site?

/——/ Here’s some proof: A chart shows how everything has changed since Trump became president

I see your going off of nbc

Trump is doing his best to fix this..... the more democrats we vote out of office the better off these people will be......

That is why November is so important....democrats thrive on poverty, racism, hate and violence......

There's no proof trump is trying to fix things else you're talking about tax cuts for the rich and his other disgraceful policies.

No proof!? Dood, you have to get out and about more often.

You need to look stuff up before you type and make sure it's facts.

Why, does your trailer park have a web site?

/——/ Here’s some proof: A chart shows how everything has changed since Trump became president

So your going off of that network go look up real sites what has trump really accomplished lol.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The stupidity is that people believe that this is the only viable way to structure society.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Actually, I think we shall consider getting rid of Amazon, it's if anything more of a societal detriment, it gets rid of other Stores which otherwise hire more people than Amazon would.

Yet pay a lower wage to the workers and have worse working conditions.

We have dispelled this bullshit when the Communists lied about Walmart.

That means less jobs for the masses.

Just another big loss for this generation of mine, and another blow to this nation.

We have 3.8% unemployment. There are jobs for everyone. Marxist rhetoric is ignorant nonsense.

Of course most Americans are severely delusional about Capitalism, and are clueless that this WAS NOT really much of a Capitalist country until after WW2, basically.

Capitalism needs to be planned, and regulated.

You are economically illiterate, You use terms with literally zero grasp of their meaning.

Have you ever read anything written by any economist? I'm guessing you have not.

I'm a Fascist, not a Communist, or a Capitalist.

Communism, and Capitalism BOTH belong in the trash heap for being two sides of the same coin, causing the EXACT same kind of society, one with a wealthy elite ruling over the masses, one where competition is hindered, one by Government being business, the other from Monopolies, both stamp out competition, leading to junky products, lack of innovation, stagnant wages, and high prices as a result of the lack of competition.

No you are economically illiterate like most of the Southern, and Rural Brutish British savages in this country.

If Competition creates innovation, wage increases, and better products, then Communism, and Capitalist Monopolies BOTH get rid of competition in the market place, leading to inferiority of the system.

That's why Capitalism needs to be regulated, plain, and simple.

 

[Foxfyre]

Well said.

Everybody in private society is worth in economic terms precisely what profit--not income but PROFIT--he/she can generate through one's own business or the value he/she has to an employer.

A CEO is paid according to his ability/expertise in generating profits for the owners/share holders of the corporation. A pro athlete is paid according to his ability to draw the fans, sell the beer and peanuts, market the paraphernalia, etc. and therefore generate profits for the owners/shareholders of the franchise. An actor or actress or other entertainer is paid according to his ability to draw patrons to the box office, sell CDs, DVDs, blu rays, or entice viewers to watch that rakes in the advertising revenues.

And each of these kinds of activities creates opportunities for others--designers, construction workers, behind the scenes employees, those providing raw materials, transportation, or whole products for resale, janitors etc--who in turn perhaps unknowingly provide other opportunities for people to profit. Each is working for his/her own benefit and may not be even conscious of 99.9 percent of what others contribute, but the process results in countless thousands/millions of people all unwittingly working together to make that football game or movie or concert or corporation possible, even successful.

And yes it may seem obscene that a CEO or entertainer earns millions while teachers, police officers, and other public servants earn so little in comparison. But if we think by reducing the amount that CEO or entertainer earns will in any way improve the situation for teachers or police officers, we are sadly mistaken. For by making the rich less rich, we will invariably reduce the resources available for the less rich.

You can rob the rich to pay the poor for only so long before there is no money to pay anybody. You simply cannot hurt or punish the rich without also hurting and punishing the much less rich.

I can't think of people who "CURRENTLY" cause more mayhem for the average US worker than business managers big or small.

The small business managers tend to hire illegals in mass.

The big business managers tend to hire people living in China first.

This is the problem people.

They are cutting our throats because hiring foreigners for less pays them more at society's expense.

Plain in simply the modern CEO is a parasite who devours society's well being piece by piece.

They simply deserve to be paid in dirt.

Sorry but those you deem as 'parasites' are simply responding to the U.S. systems that people who think like you insist on putting in place. If you allow the free market to work, and allow people to run their businesses in the most efficient way short of violating existing RICO and anti trust laws, you will see a lot less companies going overseas to do business. In fact the President's current reforms have made it much more attractive to do business here and we are beginning to see more companies coming back to America than we are seeing leaving America.

If the Democrats regain power, we will again see a business unfriendly climate that sends businesses elsewhere.

LOL, Unions went down significantly, real wages went down, productivity went way up, and yet it's all NOT ENOUGH for the gouging parasites called CEO's.

The problem is called greed, they will never be satisified with what they have here, they can make more overseas hiring people for less to undermine our economy.

That's the problem, it's un-American, and the exact opposite of patriotism.

As for Trump, here's the Trump economy in a nutshell.

It is true that personal income been pretty flat overall for the last decade with the highest increase in personal income happening in 2008 and the greatest decrease in personal income happening in 2012. But that flat line also translates to 50% of the people doing better and 50% doing not as well and chances are it is the most heavily government subsidized who aren't doing as well.

Your comparing personal income with profits, however, shows a woeful lack of understanding of how the economy works. Those increased profits have put millions of people back to work who were out of work. It also represents an increase in sales over and above expenses which may or may not represent CEOs making more money but does increase opportunity for millions and millions of Americans. There's nothing that feels better than getting a job when you need one.

And all that translates to consumer and business confidence soaring under this administration while both were significantly depressed under the previous one.

There are entirely too many variables to accurately determine economic health using just two of them. But one thing is for sure: if you fired Jeff Bezos tonight and shut down Amazon.com, you would be inflicting pain on millions of people all over the world and not changing your graph enough that anybody would notice.

The profits increased, and the real incomes decreased according to the chart, what's there to get, they're gouging us left, and right.

Even with a massive increase in American productivity, that wealth created was never seen by the American workers, and probably never meant for the American workers.

Actually, those corporate profits probably only climbed so high because of foreign markets, because we're sure not seeing it come back into our economy with this inflation.

It's not Patriotism that Americans settle for less pay, it's anything but Patriotism.

It's hilarious that so many Republican barbarians think Americans should settle for less.

Republicans, and also Democrats both have no place in a civilized society, they are what you create to destroy a civilization.

I'm sorry but you simply do not know what you are talking about. But hey, you are not the only lefty who doesn't understand even basic economics. Probably that's the biggest reason most leftys are leftys. Do have a pleasant evening.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

No you don't compete with China in the first place, you even the score, by throwing CEO's behind bars who outsource as a criminalized behavior, you make an example, and they'll behave. If they try to move their companies out of the country, you Nationalize them.

Leadership by example, to put them into line by fear.

I certainly don't want Chinese to make the same income as us, but it's happening, meaning China will become the top power house.
That's a problem for us.

I certainly don't want Americans to make the same income as us, but it's happening, meaning American workers will lose income.
That's again, another problem for us.

In a free country we don't allow government to run our businesses. If you think that's a great idea, maybe Cuba is more suited for your liking.

Over here, businesses compete by producing and selling at the cheapest cost. It's been that way for decades now. CEO's are not in charge of that, the American consumer is. And until we can adjust our way of thinking when it comes to purchases, it will stay that way.

You can't blame a CEO because a CEO is answering the demands of his or her customers. HTF can you make that a crime or illegal?

Actually, the USA long had strong business regulation through state regulations.

The Rise of Corporations — Global Issues

RACHEL #488: FIXING CORPORATIONS--PART 1: LEGACY OF THE FOUNDING PARENTS

To say that the USA customer is responsible for outsourcing beyond the CEO, is flat out ridiculous.

The CEO's started the outsourcing, and eventually it has got to the point where everybody has to outsource to compete, we don't even have much of a choice anymore.

Because of falling real wages, we are getting also to the point where we also are forced to buy cheaper, and those real wages are falling because of outsourced jobs in large part.

What's best for the people is what's best for the people.

That's not necessarily freedom, if our society is falling apart because of free will, then freedom therefor has very little, in fact perhaps a negative value.

CEO's didn't start outsourcing just for the hell of it. Consumers demanded cheaper products, and now it's to the point of cheapest products.

We have three goals when it comes to production in the US:

* low cost products.
* high paying jobs.
* reasonable to good returns on investment.

The problem is you can't have all three. So we as a country chose good investments and lower priced products.

Lower priced products sell the most. Good investment returns attract more investors. A CEO is in charge of trying to provide both. If a CEO doesn't provide both or either, then that CEO is going to be looking for another job, likely with less pay. That's how it works.

Total bull-shit.

The products never truly became cheaper, if they had real incomes would've not fallen behind so much, because Americans would have not had an inflation epidemic since 1970.

The problem is CEO's are greedy parasites at this point, they're not the same CEO's prior to the 1960's who took care of workers, and took pride in products.

Now it's all about money, and cutting corners to maximize profits at all costs, to outsource as much as possible to muster more profits, at all costs, even if tanks the economy.

Very short-sighted, and greedy, and I quite frankly don't respect such vermin.

You just agreed with me and not even realize it. Yes, the job of a CEO is to maximize profits. That's what they get paid to do.

Companies rely on investors to operate their business. The more investors, the better the company. How do they make profit? By selling the most of the item they manufacture than their competitors. That requires them to produce products at the cheapest price in order to sell them at the cheapest price.

CEO's no longer hold any kind of value for America, they cause only harm for this country.

I'd tell you to get out if you don't agree with America FIRST.

But, Poland doesn't want you, either.

Poland's actually is not so stupid as America's hicks.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'd love to "SEE PROOF" that Capitalism is better than Communism for ANYTHING????????

United States

Venezuela

Case closed.

Communism caused economic decay, and so does Capitalism.

You are economically illiterate and speak from the position that you want something for nothing.

About 15 - 20 years into America's "Free Market Capitalist Modern era" we already saw a decline of "Real Wages" and a mass outsourcing of jobs, and a massive increase in monopolies which drive down competition, and thus drive up prices.
Then there's more, and more frigging Illegals every year.

That of course is a lie.

Before I explain why it is a lie, answer this - what do you imaging "real wages" to be.

If anything Capitalism is proving to be the most inferior system ever devised.

We weren't a Capitalist economy under FDR, and we saw the #1 growth period under FDR.

We weren't a Capitalist economy under Teddy Roosevelt, and we saw the demise of many monopolies by T. Roosevelt by trust-busting, particularly Standard Oil.

The truth is Capitalism started for the USA in 1886 slowly, and didn't rear it's ugly head until right after WW2.

You base this all on what? Your desire to get something for nothing? Your belief that others owe you a life of luxury with no effort on your part?

You spew a great deal about Theodore Roosevelt, particularly the progressive movement against the industrialists. Tell me, why did Roosevelt only break up a few monopolies, yet promoted and protected others? Monopolies that literally leach on society today?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Actually, I think we shall consider getting rid of Amazon, it's if anything more of a societal detriment, it gets rid of other Stores which otherwise hire more people than Amazon would.

Yet pay a lower wage to the workers and have worse working conditions.

We have dispelled this bullshit when the Communists lied about Walmart.

That means less jobs for the masses.

Just another big loss for this generation of mine, and another blow to this nation.

We have 3.8% unemployment. There are jobs for everyone. Marxist rhetoric is ignorant nonsense.

Of course most Americans are severely delusional about Capitalism, and are clueless that this WAS NOT really much of a Capitalist country until after WW2, basically.

Capitalism needs to be planned, and regulated.

You are economically illiterate, You use terms with literally zero grasp of their meaning.

Have you ever read anything written by any economist? I'm guessing you have not.

I'm a Fascist, not a Communist, or a Capitalist.

Communism, and Capitalism BOTH belong in the trash heap for being two sides of the same coin, causing the EXACT same kind of society, one with a wealthy elite ruling over the masses, one where competition is hindered, one by Government being business, the other from Monopolies, both stamp out competition, leading to junky products, lack of innovation, stagnant wages, and high prices as a result of the lack of competition.

No you are economically illiterate like most of the Southern, and Rural Brutish British savages in this country.

If Competition creates innovation, wage increases, and better products, then Communism, and Capitalist Monopolies BOTH get rid of competition in the market place, leading to inferiority of the system.

That's why Capitalism needs to be regulated, plain, and simple.

Tell us how “regulated” capitalism is still capitalism.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I can't think of people who "CURRENTLY" cause more mayhem for the average US worker than business managers big or small.

The small business managers tend to hire illegals in mass.

The big business managers tend to hire people living in China first.

This is the problem people.

They are cutting our throats because hiring foreigners for less pays them more at society's expense.

Plain in simply the modern CEO is a parasite who devours society's well being piece by piece.

They simply deserve to be paid in dirt.

Sorry but those you deem as 'parasites' are simply responding to the U.S. systems that people who think like you insist on putting in place. If you allow the free market to work, and allow people to run their businesses in the most efficient way short of violating existing RICO and anti trust laws, you will see a lot less companies going overseas to do business. In fact the President's current reforms have made it much more attractive to do business here and we are beginning to see more companies coming back to America than we are seeing leaving America.

If the Democrats regain power, we will again see a business unfriendly climate that sends businesses elsewhere.

LOL, Unions went down significantly, real wages went down, productivity went way up, and yet it's all NOT ENOUGH for the gouging parasites called CEO's.

The problem is called greed, they will never be satisified with what they have here, they can make more overseas hiring people for less to undermine our economy.

That's the problem, it's un-American, and the exact opposite of patriotism.

As for Trump, here's the Trump economy in a nutshell.

It is true that personal income been pretty flat overall for the last decade with the highest increase in personal income happening in 2008 and the greatest decrease in personal income happening in 2012. But that flat line also translates to 50% of the people doing better and 50% doing not as well and chances are it is the most heavily government subsidized who aren't doing as well.

Your comparing personal income with profits, however, shows a woeful lack of understanding of how the economy works. Those increased profits have put millions of people back to work who were out of work. It also represents an increase in sales over and above expenses which may or may not represent CEOs making more money but does increase opportunity for millions and millions of Americans. There's nothing that feels better than getting a job when you need one.

And all that translates to consumer and business confidence soaring under this administration while both were significantly depressed under the previous one.

There are entirely too many variables to accurately determine economic health using just two of them. But one thing is for sure: if you fired Jeff Bezos tonight and shut down Amazon.com, you would be inflicting pain on millions of people all over the world and not changing your graph enough that anybody would notice.

The profits increased, and the real incomes decreased according to the chart, what's there to get, they're gouging us left, and right.

Even with a massive increase in American productivity, that wealth created was never seen by the American workers, and probably never meant for the American workers.

Actually, those corporate profits probably only climbed so high because of foreign markets, because we're sure not seeing it come back into our economy with this inflation.

It's not Patriotism that Americans settle for less pay, it's anything but Patriotism.

It's hilarious that so many Republican barbarians think Americans should settle for less.

Republicans, and also Democrats both have no place in a civilized society, they are what you create to destroy a civilization.

I'm sorry but you simply do not know what you are talking about. But hey, you are not the only lefty who doesn't understand even basic economics. Probably that's the biggest reason most leftys are leftys. Do have a pleasant evening.

Americans have NOT ONE CLUE about politics.

I'm no Leftist.
The first Leftists were Capitalists.
I'm a Fascist a true Right-Winger

Capitalism IS LIberalism in a nutshell. Selling drugs, selling abortion, selling porn, hiring illegal immigrants, outsourcing jobs, etc. etc. ALL FOR PROFITS.

Either you're a Conservative, and Nationalist, or a Capitalist, YOU CANNOT BE BOTH. (But, most Americans don't grasp it, like they don't grasp much of anything)

As for the economy, NO, just NO, you Hicks know NOTHING.

FDR achieved the #1 growth with government intervention out of the USA in the 20th Century.
Franco achieved the #1 growth with government intervention out fo Europe in the 20th Century.

It's NOT the hybrid system which is failing, it's the Capitalist system, and the Communist system BOTH which are FAILURES.

 

[Uncensored2008]

In a nutshell, the plan is to abolish the ability of some to acquire vast amounts of wealth off of the labor of others.

But you don't mind if the masses leach sustenance off of the intellect and ambition of others. Face it, you promote the oppression of the most able at the hands of the least willing.

It is the minority group that is oppressing the masses. It is the minority group that is leaching off the labor of others. That is what you promote.

Pay the worker the full value of what he creates.

If you pay the worker full value of what he creates, how does a company stay open?

They simply takes less profit.

DERP

So if I rent a building and buy machines to make chairs, then hire a man to run a lathe, you imagine that I should give him the entire selling price of the chair?

Progressive Communism is founded in stupidity.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'd love to "SEE PROOF" that Capitalism is better than Communism for ANYTHING????????

United States

Venezuela

Case closed.

Communism caused economic decay, and so does Capitalism.

You are economically illiterate and speak from the position that you want something for nothing.

About 15 - 20 years into America's "Free Market Capitalist Modern era" we already saw a decline of "Real Wages" and a mass outsourcing of jobs, and a massive increase in monopolies which drive down competition, and thus drive up prices.
Then there's more, and more frigging Illegals every year.

That of course is a lie.

Before I explain why it is a lie, answer this - what do you imaging "real wages" to be.

If anything Capitalism is proving to be the most inferior system ever devised.

We weren't a Capitalist economy under FDR, and we saw the #1 growth period under FDR.

We weren't a Capitalist economy under Teddy Roosevelt, and we saw the demise of many monopolies by T. Roosevelt by trust-busting, particularly Standard Oil.

The truth is Capitalism started for the USA in 1886 slowly, and didn't rear it's ugly head until right after WW2.

You base this all on what? Your desire to get something for nothing? Your belief that others owe you a life of luxury with no effort on your part?

You spew a great deal about Theodore Roosevelt, particularly the progressive movement against the industrialists. Tell me, why did Roosevelt only break up a few monopolies, yet promoted and protected others? Monopolies that literally leach on society today?

Venezuela started off a lot poorer.

Why don't you compare Venezuela to the rest of Latin America?????????

Venezuela is actually rich by Latino standards, as is Cuba.

So, how do you figure that even works as a "Great dig on Communism"????????

Not that I'm a Communist, I'm a Fascist, I also hate Commies.



Nope, you are economically illiterate, like most Americans.

Capitalism is stagnant in wages for decade after decade, JUST LIKE the COMMUNISTS.

You tell me why that is?

Because Capitalism is ALSO a GREAT FAILURE.




Your last statement proves once AGAIN you are economically illiterate, Socialism is regulation of the economy NOT really Social Programs, a typical Conservative IDIOCY As ALWAYS.

Of course I want the economy regulated, against outsourcing, against illegals, against monopolies which drive down competition allowing for lay offs, and jacked up prices.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Whether or not you have an intent of paying it back, even with a degree you probably won't be able to afford to pay it back.

Then you are saying that the education provided is a scam. a rip off that cannot deliver on the promise of a viable career?

In most cases this is true, sadly. Too many schools focus on social movements and provide little in the way of viable skills. An "ethnic studies" degree qualifies one to start riots or to fleece others by teaching the same worthless bullshit.

In most endeavors, if a person cheats me I can sue them for damages. Why should one not be allowed to sue Harvard or Stanford for failing to provide an education that delivers on the promise of a better life? Is not Yale cheating the vast majority of students by indoctrinating them in radical leftism rather than providing them the knowledge needed to succeed?

 

[Foxfyre]

Sorry but those you deem as 'parasites' are simply responding to the U.S. systems that people who think like you insist on putting in place. If you allow the free market to work, and allow people to run their businesses in the most efficient way short of violating existing RICO and anti trust laws, you will see a lot less companies going overseas to do business. In fact the President's current reforms have made it much more attractive to do business here and we are beginning to see more companies coming back to America than we are seeing leaving America.

If the Democrats regain power, we will again see a business unfriendly climate that sends businesses elsewhere.

LOL, Unions went down significantly, real wages went down, productivity went way up, and yet it's all NOT ENOUGH for the gouging parasites called CEO's.

The problem is called greed, they will never be satisified with what they have here, they can make more overseas hiring people for less to undermine our economy.

That's the problem, it's un-American, and the exact opposite of patriotism.

As for Trump, here's the Trump economy in a nutshell.

It is true that personal income been pretty flat overall for the last decade with the highest increase in personal income happening in 2008 and the greatest decrease in personal income happening in 2012. But that flat line also translates to 50% of the people doing better and 50% doing not as well and chances are it is the most heavily government subsidized who aren't doing as well.

Your comparing personal income with profits, however, shows a woeful lack of understanding of how the economy works. Those increased profits have put millions of people back to work who were out of work. It also represents an increase in sales over and above expenses which may or may not represent CEOs making more money but does increase opportunity for millions and millions of Americans. There's nothing that feels better than getting a job when you need one.

And all that translates to consumer and business confidence soaring under this administration while both were significantly depressed under the previous one.

There are entirely too many variables to accurately determine economic health using just two of them. But one thing is for sure: if you fired Jeff Bezos tonight and shut down Amazon.com, you would be inflicting pain on millions of people all over the world and not changing your graph enough that anybody would notice.

The profits increased, and the real incomes decreased according to the chart, what's there to get, they're gouging us left, and right.

Even with a massive increase in American productivity, that wealth created was never seen by the American workers, and probably never meant for the American workers.

Actually, those corporate profits probably only climbed so high because of foreign markets, because we're sure not seeing it come back into our economy with this inflation.

It's not Patriotism that Americans settle for less pay, it's anything but Patriotism.

It's hilarious that so many Republican barbarians think Americans should settle for less.

Republicans, and also Democrats both have no place in a civilized society, they are what you create to destroy a civilization.

I'm sorry but you simply do not know what you are talking about. But hey, you are not the only lefty who doesn't understand even basic economics. Probably that's the biggest reason most leftys are leftys. Do have a pleasant evening.

Americans have NOT ONE CLUE about politics.

I'm no Leftist.
The first Leftists were Capitalists.
I'm a Fascist a true Right-Winger

Capitalism IS LIberalism in a nutshell. Selling drugs, selling abortion, selling porn, hiring illegal immigrants, outsourcing jobs, etc. etc. ALL FOR PROFITS.

Either you're a Conservative, and Nationalist, or a Capitalist, YOU CANNOT BE BOTH. (But, most Americans don't grasp it, like they don't grasp much of anything)

As for the economy, NO, just NO, you Hicks know NOTHING.

FDR achieved the #1 growth with government intervention out of the USA in the 20th Century.
Franco achieved the #1 growth with government intervention out fo Europe in the 20th Century.

It's NOT the hybrid system which is failing, it's the Capitalist system, and the Communist system BOTH which are FAILURES.

Fascism is NOT right wing as the term is understood in America. It is the antithesis of unalienable rights and individual liberty and is embraced not by those right of center here, but by those on the left. It is among the kinds of brutal governments the U.S. Constitution was designed to free the people from.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Actually, I think we shall consider getting rid of Amazon, it's if anything more of a societal detriment, it gets rid of other Stores which otherwise hire more people than Amazon would.

Yet pay a lower wage to the workers and have worse working conditions.

We have dispelled this bullshit when the Communists lied about Walmart.

That means less jobs for the masses.

Just another big loss for this generation of mine, and another blow to this nation.

We have 3.8% unemployment. There are jobs for everyone. Marxist rhetoric is ignorant nonsense.

Of course most Americans are severely delusional about Capitalism, and are clueless that this WAS NOT really much of a Capitalist country until after WW2, basically.

Capitalism needs to be planned, and regulated.

You are economically illiterate, You use terms with literally zero grasp of their meaning.

Have you ever read anything written by any economist? I'm guessing you have not.

I'm a Fascist, not a Communist, or a Capitalist.

Communism, and Capitalism BOTH belong in the trash heap for being two sides of the same coin, causing the EXACT same kind of society, one with a wealthy elite ruling over the masses, one where competition is hindered, one by Government being business, the other from Monopolies, both stamp out competition, leading to junky products, lack of innovation, stagnant wages, and high prices as a result of the lack of competition.

No you are economically illiterate like most of the Southern, and Rural Brutish British savages in this country.

If Competition creates innovation, wage increases, and better products, then Communism, and Capitalist Monopolies BOTH get rid of competition in the market place, leading to inferiority of the system.

That's why Capitalism needs to be regulated, plain, and simple.

Tell us how “regulated” capitalism is still capitalism.

Exactly, Capitalism, like Communism both belong in the trash-bin of history.

The Hybrid System is the ONLY System that actually works.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The U.S.A is JUST LIKE Orwell's 1984 when it comes to "Politics"

In Orwell's 1984, they say 2 + 2 = 5.
They drilled it into their heads enough, and that became the truth.

That is the reality of America on politics.

You are told that Capitalism built America, or we were always a Capitalist nation, that's not true.
The U.S.A was hardly Capitalist between 1886 - 1945, and NOT Capitalist before 1886, and VERY Capitalist just after WW2.

You are told that Democrats are Liberal Leftists, and Republicans are Right-Wingers.
Not true either.

The terms Left-Right come from the French Revolution.

The Leftists were Capitalists for more Liberalism, and rights, and the Right-Wingers were the Monarchist Authoritarian Right for the traditional Authoritarian controls over society.

Furthermore, Right-Wingers supporting Capitalism, and Freedom, while complaining about "Social Liberalism" makes no sense.

Truth is, the real Right-Wing IS AUTHORITARIAN, they micro-manage social Conservative values.

Then there's a ton of Republicans who think high Taxes = Socialism to pay for programs.

North Korea is Socialism in it's pure form, and they actually have low taxes, in fact nearly no taxes.

You've clearly never read 1984. You have no clue what you are yapping about.Winston's Oceana is an allegory of Stalin's USSR. Engsoc is exactly the idiocy that American democrats and Euroweenie Marxists promote. The results are the same as well, dictatorship and misery.

They have a spot for you at the Ministry of Truth, you'll fit right in.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

LOL, Unions went down significantly, real wages went down, productivity went way up, and yet it's all NOT ENOUGH for the gouging parasites called CEO's.

The problem is called greed, they will never be satisified with what they have here, they can make more overseas hiring people for less to undermine our economy.

That's the problem, it's un-American, and the exact opposite of patriotism.

As for Trump, here's the Trump economy in a nutshell.

It is true that personal income been pretty flat overall for the last decade with the highest increase in personal income happening in 2008 and the greatest decrease in personal income happening in 2012. But that flat line also translates to 50% of the people doing better and 50% doing not as well and chances are it is the most heavily government subsidized who aren't doing as well.

Your comparing personal income with profits, however, shows a woeful lack of understanding of how the economy works. Those increased profits have put millions of people back to work who were out of work. It also represents an increase in sales over and above expenses which may or may not represent CEOs making more money but does increase opportunity for millions and millions of Americans. There's nothing that feels better than getting a job when you need one.

And all that translates to consumer and business confidence soaring under this administration while both were significantly depressed under the previous one.

There are entirely too many variables to accurately determine economic health using just two of them. But one thing is for sure: if you fired Jeff Bezos tonight and shut down Amazon.com, you would be inflicting pain on millions of people all over the world and not changing your graph enough that anybody would notice.

The profits increased, and the real incomes decreased according to the chart, what's there to get, they're gouging us left, and right.

Even with a massive increase in American productivity, that wealth created was never seen by the American workers, and probably never meant for the American workers.

Actually, those corporate profits probably only climbed so high because of foreign markets, because we're sure not seeing it come back into our economy with this inflation.

It's not Patriotism that Americans settle for less pay, it's anything but Patriotism.

It's hilarious that so many Republican barbarians think Americans should settle for less.

Republicans, and also Democrats both have no place in a civilized society, they are what you create to destroy a civilization.

I'm sorry but you simply do not know what you are talking about. But hey, you are not the only lefty who doesn't understand even basic economics. Probably that's the biggest reason most leftys are leftys. Do have a pleasant evening.

Americans have NOT ONE CLUE about politics.

I'm no Leftist.
The first Leftists were Capitalists.
I'm a Fascist a true Right-Winger

Capitalism IS LIberalism in a nutshell. Selling drugs, selling abortion, selling porn, hiring illegal immigrants, outsourcing jobs, etc. etc. ALL FOR PROFITS.

Either you're a Conservative, and Nationalist, or a Capitalist, YOU CANNOT BE BOTH. (But, most Americans don't grasp it, like they don't grasp much of anything)

As for the economy, NO, just NO, you Hicks know NOTHING.

FDR achieved the #1 growth with government intervention out of the USA in the 20th Century.
Franco achieved the #1 growth with government intervention out fo Europe in the 20th Century.

It's NOT the hybrid system which is failing, it's the Capitalist system, and the Communist system BOTH which are FAILURES.

Fascism is NOT right wing as the term is understood in America. It is the antithesis of unalienable rights and individual liberty. It is among the kinds of brutal governments the U.S. Constitution was designed to free the people from.

Bull twice.

1.) The American Founding Fathers only allowed about 6% of the USA to vote in the first election, being White land owning males.

That's NOT Individual rights, and Liberty, not even close.

2.) Individualism is LIBERAL, not only does Liberal come from the same root as Liberty meaning freedom, it is in fact Liberalism to believe in Individualism, if you believe Gays, or Blacks, or Jews should be treated as "Individuals" you're a Liberal.

Individualism dictates individual rights for EVERYBODY "Special" and "Different". That's Liberalism in a nutshell.

 

[Foxfyre]

It is true that personal income been pretty flat overall for the last decade with the highest increase in personal income happening in 2008 and the greatest decrease in personal income happening in 2012. But that flat line also translates to 50% of the people doing better and 50% doing not as well and chances are it is the most heavily government subsidized who aren't doing as well.

Your comparing personal income with profits, however, shows a woeful lack of understanding of how the economy works. Those increased profits have put millions of people back to work who were out of work. It also represents an increase in sales over and above expenses which may or may not represent CEOs making more money but does increase opportunity for millions and millions of Americans. There's nothing that feels better than getting a job when you need one.

And all that translates to consumer and business confidence soaring under this administration while both were significantly depressed under the previous one.

There are entirely too many variables to accurately determine economic health using just two of them. But one thing is for sure: if you fired Jeff Bezos tonight and shut down Amazon.com, you would be inflicting pain on millions of people all over the world and not changing your graph enough that anybody would notice.

The profits increased, and the real incomes decreased according to the chart, what's there to get, they're gouging us left, and right.

Even with a massive increase in American productivity, that wealth created was never seen by the American workers, and probably never meant for the American workers.

Actually, those corporate profits probably only climbed so high because of foreign markets, because we're sure not seeing it come back into our economy with this inflation.

It's not Patriotism that Americans settle for less pay, it's anything but Patriotism.

It's hilarious that so many Republican barbarians think Americans should settle for less.

Republicans, and also Democrats both have no place in a civilized society, they are what you create to destroy a civilization.

I'm sorry but you simply do not know what you are talking about. But hey, you are not the only lefty who doesn't understand even basic economics. Probably that's the biggest reason most leftys are leftys. Do have a pleasant evening.

Americans have NOT ONE CLUE about politics.

I'm no Leftist.
The first Leftists were Capitalists.
I'm a Fascist a true Right-Winger

Capitalism IS LIberalism in a nutshell. Selling drugs, selling abortion, selling porn, hiring illegal immigrants, outsourcing jobs, etc. etc. ALL FOR PROFITS.

Either you're a Conservative, and Nationalist, or a Capitalist, YOU CANNOT BE BOTH. (But, most Americans don't grasp it, like they don't grasp much of anything)

As for the economy, NO, just NO, you Hicks know NOTHING.

FDR achieved the #1 growth with government intervention out of the USA in the 20th Century.
Franco achieved the #1 growth with government intervention out fo Europe in the 20th Century.

It's NOT the hybrid system which is failing, it's the Capitalist system, and the Communist system BOTH which are FAILURES.

Fascism is NOT right wing as the term is understood in America. It is the antithesis of unalienable rights and individual liberty. It is among the kinds of brutal governments the U.S. Constitution was designed to free the people from.

Bull twice.

1.) The American Founding Fathers only allowed about 6% of the USA to vote in the first election, being White land owning males.

That's NOT Individual rights, and Liberty, not even close.

2.) Individualism is LIBERAL, not only does Liberal come from the same root as Liberty meaning freedom, it is in fact Liberalism to believe in Individualism, if you believe Gays, or Blacks, or Jews should be treated as "Individuals" you're a Liberal.

Individualism dictates individual rights for EVERYBODY "Special" and "Different". That's Liberalism in a nutshell.

When you have a better grasp of American history and what our Founders were all about get back to me. Until then, again do have a pleasant evening.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Why would the wealthy leave the country when their dream (Republican manifesto) of peasants comes true.

You claim (a transparent and obvious lie) that you are the wealthy, yet your dream is Stalinism. So then your claim is clearly bullshit. The Hollywood fuckwads seek the enslavement of the masses under Communism, as do the majority of pampered sports stars. Steny Hoyer lusts to become Czar of America and rule with an iron fist like Pol Pot or Mao on the thrown of Marxism.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The U.S.A is JUST LIKE Orwell's 1984 when it comes to "Politics"

In Orwell's 1984, they say 2 + 2 = 5.
They drilled it into their heads enough, and that became the truth.

That is the reality of America on politics.

You are told that Capitalism built America, or we were always a Capitalist nation, that's not true.
The U.S.A was hardly Capitalist between 1886 - 1945, and NOT Capitalist before 1886, and VERY Capitalist just after WW2.

You are told that Democrats are Liberal Leftists, and Republicans are Right-Wingers.
Not true either.

The terms Left-Right come from the French Revolution.

The Leftists were Capitalists for more Liberalism, and rights, and the Right-Wingers were the Monarchist Authoritarian Right for the traditional Authoritarian controls over society.

Furthermore, Right-Wingers supporting Capitalism, and Freedom, while complaining about "Social Liberalism" makes no sense.

Truth is, the real Right-Wing IS AUTHORITARIAN, they micro-manage social Conservative values.

Then there's a ton of Republicans who think high Taxes = Socialism to pay for programs.

North Korea is Socialism in it's pure form, and they actually have low taxes, in fact nearly no taxes.

You've clearly never read 1984. You have no clue what you are yapping about.Winston's Oceana is an allegory of Stalin's USSR. Engsoc is exactly the idiocy that American democrats and Euroweenie Marxists promote. The results are the same as well, dictatorship and misery.

They have a spot for you at the Ministry of Truth, you'll fit right in.

I've read Orwell's 1984.

I've also read about how Nomad Gheghiz Khan killed about 1/4th of the World's population, and did so with hardly a government.

I've also read about how the British Empire Capitalists killed between 30 - 60 million of India, JUST by famine, as they took out their resources from underneath India, and allowed India to starve to death to reap extra profits for Britain, including Corporations like the East Indian Tea Company.

Long behold our country the USA a Capitalist ANTIFA has killed 13 - 30 million in it's wars since WW2.

I don't really think big government is the big culprit, so much as military supremacy.