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US Choice to Drop Leaflets in Syria Contrasts with Russian Way of War
The leaflets telling Syrian truck drivers to run for their lives were emblematic of the stark differences between the U.S. and Russian air campaigns that will make greater cooperation pushed by the White House again Thursday difficult to achieve.
About 45 minutes before A-10 Thunderbolt II and AC-130 Spectre gunships attacked, fighters made low passes over 116 oil truck tankers in eastern Syria last Sunday to drop leaflets.
"Get out of your trucks now and run away from them," the leaflets told the drivers. "Warning. Airstrikes are coming, oil trucks will be destroyed. Get away from your oil trucks immediately. Do not risk your life."
"We combine these leaflet drops with very low altitude passes of some of our attack aviation, which sends a very powerful message,"Army Col. Steve Warren, a spokesman for Combined Joint Task Force-Operation Inherent Resolve, said in Wednesday from Baghdad during a teleconference at the Pentagon.
The leaflet drop was more evidence of the pains taken by the U.S. in air tasking orders to avoid civilian casualties through precision weaponry and the use of intelligence assets in contrast to indiscriminate Russian airstrikes with "dumb bombs," Warren said.
President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry have talked up the possibility of more coordination with Russia against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, since the Paris attacks and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s vow of "vengeance" earlier this week for the apparent bombing of a Russian airliner claimed by an ISIS affiliate that killed all 224 aboard.
France has also stepped up airstrikes in Syria and French President Francois Hollande was to visit Washington next week and later Moscow in what has been billed as an attempt to forge a consensus among the three nations on attacking ISIS, also known as ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, and Daesh, an Arabic acronym).
In Manila, where Obama was meeting with Asian allies on the proposed Trans Pacific Partnership, Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes on Thursday took note of the intense Russian airstrikes Tuesday on the ISIS stronghold of Raqqa in eastern Syria.
"If that becomes a trend and that continues, again, we think that would be the most constructive role for Russia to play so that they are a part of what we are doing as a coalition to go after ISIL safe havens," Rhodes said.
"If Russia wants to shift its focus to ISIL, that would be to the world’s benefit," Rhodes said.
The Russian Ministry of Defense said that airstrikes Tuesday were carried out by 25 long-range Tupolev bombers – including five Tu-160 Blackjack bombers, six Tu-95M Bears and 14 Tu-22M3 Backfires -- which fired a total of 34 cruise missiles and dropped munitions. Additional strikes were carried Wednesday in what was believed to be the biggest Russian air campaign since the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
The Ministry of Defense said that the U.S.-led coalition was given advance warning of the airstrikes. "In order to ensure safety, the representatives of the international coalition are notified about the time of the airstrikes and the routes of the aircraft in advance," the ministry said in its statement Wednesday.
Earlier this week, Obama said that he welcomed the intensified air campaign by the Russians and added, "We are actually helping facilitate them doing so."
However, Col. Warren said at the Pentagon briefing that communications between the U.S. military and Russia were minimal and he scoffed at the Russians’ "antiquated tactics" that he said took no regard for civilian casualties.
"As far as what the president said, you know, certainly I'm aware of what the president said," Warren said. "We right now here on the ground are not in any type of communications or coordination with the Russians" and have no plans to do so, he said. "So that's something that's being worked at a higher level," he said.
"We don't have a great read on the civilian casualty piece" from the Russian airstrikes, Warren said, but "the Russians are using dumb bombs. Their history has been both reckless and irresponsible," he said.
"I know there was some discussion that the Russians had a large air armada flying into Raqqa to conduct these operations," he said. "And it was notable to us that, you know, those are antiquated tactics. We don't even use those types of tactics anymore.
"The idea of putting, you know, ten ships in the air at one time, or 12 or even more, are very old fashioned," Warren said. "And those are the type of tactics needed only if you don't possess the technology, the skills and the capabilities to conduct the type of precision strikes that our coalition conducts."
--Richard Sisk can be reached at [email protected].
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and yet the facts such as obamacare lies are all out there.sorry not following your strategy here, I ask you a question, you ask me three back and ignore my question.the truth is out there. And we found it and it is what it is. Too bad fora you!!!!yes we did,
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And where is the evidence to back those narratives? Try.....Obama using the IRS Commissioner to target the Tea Party.
Show me the evidence. Because your ilk in this thread have insisted again and again that it actually happened. Yet when I ask them to show us rather than tell us......all we get are hapless excuses why they can't.
And in the process they so elegantly demonstrate my point: That many conservatives don't care if a claim is actually true. Only that it feels true.
Then show us the evidence that Obama used the IRS commissioner to target Tea Party groups.
Without evidence, its just an accusation. And you can't back the claim. Which is my point. Many conservatives don't care if a claim is ACTUALLY true. They claim if it feels true.
If it feels true, they'll swallow it without thought or question. With your ilk still insisting that Obama used the IRS commissioner to target Tea Party groups years after the accusation failed to find any evidence supporting it.
Elegantly demonstrating my point.
My strategy is simple: demonstrating how so much of conservative perception of Obama is based on their fallaciously accepting baseless accusations as truth.
And how little many conservatives care if there is a difference.
After a certain amount of exposure the behavior of actors becomes easily predictable, and it fits the politically-correct modern American version of war where no one gets hurt.
Actual behavior.....or claims that didn't pan out but you remember and assimilate into your view of that person?
Remember when Obama used the Commission of the IRS to target tea party groups to steal the 2012 election? No? I certainly remember the accusation. And its another lovely example of your conservatives not caring if a narrative is true......only caring if it *feels* true.
Remember when Obama used the Fast and Furious program to funnel
Remember when Obama left the ambassador of Libya to die despite calls for help? No? I certainly remember the accusation. And its another lovely example of your conservatives not caring if a narrative is true......only caring if it *feels* true.
Remember when Obama had his records sealed so no one could access his birth certificate? No? I certainly remember the accusation. And its another lovely example of your conservatives not caring if a narrative is true......only caring if it *feels* true.
I could do this all day.
All your examples are true, and so could I.
Really? If they're true, then it will be remarkably easy for you to show me the evidence.
Would it do any good to post it again?
Depends on what you post. If you post more unfounded accusations and opinion, probably not. If you can show us actual evidence, probably.
Show us that Obama had the Commissioner of the IRS target Tea Party groups to steal the election in 2012. If its 'true' then the evidence should be overwhelming. If its more baseless accusations that you blindly accepted without thought or question because they felt true....
.....then you elegantly demonstrate my point.
Yes, they DID drop leaflets telling the drivers they had a short time to get as far away as possible, because the trucks were going to be bombed. Saw it on the news this afternoon.
But, you do know the reason they did it, right? They knew that most (if not all) the drivers were people that Daesh was forcing to transport the oil.
Giving them warning makes sure that innocents aren't killed. And, that's one of the things contained in the Geneva conventions. We still managed to take out over 250 tankers, which in my opinion is a good thing.
Maybe the drivers will appreciate not being killed and start resisting the extremist terrorists.
Laughing is what we do at retarded libs all the time.And your ilk just backed a variety of bullshit stories as 'true' because they *feel* they are. Not because there is evidence to back those narratives. Literally replacing objective evidence with emotion.All those examples happened, libtards just think if they deny it often and long enough they will go away. Haven't met a truthful lib yet."I don't know if this is true, but it feels true, so I don't care" is republican bread and butter. Its how they train their conservatives to think.
After a certain amount of exposure the behavior of actors becomes easily predictable, and it fits the politically-correct modern American version of war where no one gets hurt.
Actual behavior.....or claims that didn't pan out but you remember and assimilate into your view of that person?
Remember when Obama used the Commission of the IRS to target tea party groups to steal the 2012 election? No? I certainly remember the accusation. And its another lovely example of your conservatives not caring if a narrative is true......only caring if it *feels* true.
Remember when Obama used the Fast and Furious program to funnel
Remember when Obama left the ambassador of Libya to die despite calls for help? No? I certainly remember the accusation. And its another lovely example of your conservatives not caring if a narrative is true......only caring if it *feels* true.
Remember when Obama had his records sealed so no one could access his birth certificate? No? I certainly remember the accusation. And its another lovely example of your conservatives not caring if a narrative is true......only caring if it *feels* true.
I could do this all day. And its the baseline of thinking for most conservatives: a claim that isn't necessarily true but feels like it should be.
That's because there is no such thing as an honest Leftist. As such is quite impossible.
You see the Ideological left rests entirely upon Relativism.
Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation to one's cultural, societal, historical and personal context and, as such, can never be the result of soundly reasoned absolutes.
It is through this perversion of reason through which relativism axiomatically rejects the very existence of objectivity.
Objectivity is the essential element of Truth. What's worse is that understanding truth is the essential element of trust. And absent the means to understand truth, and with no means to trust, the Relativist culture is incapable of establishing a soundly reasoned morality.
And without a soundly reasoned morality... which is essential to the service of justice, the Relativist and their culture, is rendered incapable of serving Justice, thus crippling their culture, which must fail through and as a direct consequence of the above noted fatal flaws... such cultures must fall to a fiery, destructive end.
Of course Relativism is the species of reason through which evil is manifested... and the singular purpose of evil... is destruction.
So... its pretty clear what we're dealing with here.
Laughing....which is about as 'relativistic' as it gets. And a mainstream intellectual crutch of conservatives.
Actual behavior.....or claims that didn't pan out but you remember and assimilate into your view of that person?
Remember when Obama used the Commission of the IRS to target tea party groups to steal the 2012 election? No? I certainly remember the accusation. And its another lovely example of your conservatives not caring if a narrative is true......only caring if it *feels* true.
Remember when Obama used the Fast and Furious program to funnel
Remember when Obama left the ambassador of Libya to die despite calls for help? No? I certainly remember the accusation. And its another lovely example of your conservatives not caring if a narrative is true......only caring if it *feels* true.
Remember when Obama had his records sealed so no one could access his birth certificate? No? I certainly remember the accusation. And its another lovely example of your conservatives not caring if a narrative is true......only caring if it *feels* true.
I could do this all day.
All your examples are true, and so could I.
Really? If they're true, then it will be remarkably easy for you to show me the evidence.
Would it do any good to post it again?
Depends on what you post. If you post more unfounded accusations and opinion, probably not. If you can show us actual evidence, probably.
Show us that Obama had the Commissioner of the IRS target Tea Party groups to steal the election in 2012. If its 'true' then the evidence should be overwhelming. If its more baseless accusations that you blindly accepted without thought or question because they felt true....
.....then you elegantly demonstrate my point.
You have your games, I have mine.
Yes, Skylar called "bullshit." Owes op apology. He/she didn't even try and look it up, because as soon as they called "bullshit," I looked it up, and there was 7 or 8 returns. I was just waiting for he/she to bury themselves further, lol.......which leftists always do, if you allow them to stomp their feet with indignation while they are standing on political quicksand-)
Yes, Skylar called "bullshit." Owes op apology. He/she didn't even try and look it up, because as soon as they called "bullshit," I looked it up, and there was 7 or 8 returns. I was just waiting for he/she to bury themselves further, lol.......which leftists always do, if you allow them to stomp their feet with indignation while they are standing on political quicksand-)
That's why I don't play their game of "prove it". They can do their own secretarial work.
Yes, Skylar called "bullshit." Owes op apology. He/she didn't even try and look it up, because as soon as they called "bullshit," I looked it up, and there was 7 or 8 returns. I was just waiting for he/she to bury themselves further, lol.......which leftists always do, if you allow them to stomp their feet with indignation while they are standing on political quicksand-)
That's why I don't play their game of "prove it". They can do their own secretarial work.
You play the game of repeating baseless horseshit that you have never questioned, thought too much about, nor can back up.
My game is to point out the horseshit. I like my game better.
Yes, Skylar called "bullshit." Owes op apology. He/she didn't even try and look it up, because as soon as they called "bullshit," I looked it up, and there was 7 or 8 returns. I was just waiting for he/she to bury themselves further, lol.......which leftists always do, if you allow them to stomp their feet with indignation while they are standing on political quicksand-)
That's why I don't play their game of "prove it". They can do their own secretarial work.
You play the game of repeating baseless horseshit that you have never questioned, thought too much about, nor can back up.
My game is to point out the horseshit. I like my game better.
Please. You've been flattened.
Now run along.
Yes, Skylar called "bullshit." Owes op apology. He/she didn't even try and look it up, because as soon as they called "bullshit," I looked it up, and there was 7 or 8 returns. I was just waiting for he/she to bury themselves further, lol.......which leftists always do, if you allow them to stomp their feet with indignation while they are standing on political quicksand-)
That's why I don't play their game of "prove it". They can do their own secretarial work.
You play the game of repeating baseless horseshit that you have never questioned, thought too much about, nor can back up.
My game is to point out the horseshit. I like my game better.
Please. You've been flattened.
Now run along.
Yes, Skylar called "bullshit." Owes op apology. He/she didn't even try and look it up, because as soon as they called "bullshit," I looked it up, and there was 7 or 8 returns. I was just waiting for he/she to bury themselves further, lol.......which leftists always do, if you allow them to stomp their feet with indignation while they are standing on political quicksand-)
That's why I don't play their game of "prove it". They can do their own secretarial work.
You play the game of repeating baseless horseshit that you have never questioned, thought too much about, nor can back up.
My game is to point out the horseshit. I like my game better.
Please. You've been flattened.
Now run along.
I love the way leftists question OUR motives, when the Obama administration has been in charge of the most politicized DOJ since Kennedy; and in all honesty, Kennedy's was not as politicized as this one.
I would say to Skylar and those on the left who think that all of this, every issue was just a witch hunt, or right wing conspiracy because no charges from the DOJ; keep that in your mind when President Cruz is in, or absolutely President Trump. I am sure they to can put bias people in power, then we can sit here, just like you goofs and keep repeating, "there was nothing there, so move along!" You lefties have opened Pandoras box with Obama, and you better be 100% sure you can get Hilldy elected, because if you lose, your life is going to miserable. We want to play by the rules called "The Constitution." You wanted to circumvent them, and you have. You must have thought you would always be in power, but unlike you, we conservatives believe a king with either a blue crown, or red crown, is still a king. We want a President! But, I think after the abuse we have been put through by your messiah (praise be his name) and his pen/phone, we will let Mr Cruz/Trump do what they want for 6 months, before we actually join you to stop any illegality by the DOJ; or any other branch of government for that matter.
But those 6 months; ah, those 6 months will be glorious after the last (by then) 8 illegal years of constitutional abuse you people put our country through!
