Illegals already cutting through Trump's multi billion $ wall...

[Daryl Hunt]

I've heard no one make excuses for businesses that knowingly hire illegals.

Everytime you say "Wall" you are doing that.

That is an insane thing for you to say.

Fact. We could address the employers tomorrow. The wall is never going to be built.

We could address employers tomorrow. Except there seems to be no real political will to do so.


We could also build a Wall tomorrow. Except that our political class refuses to do so.



Not sure why you respect your own pet project on this, while disrespecting mine.

No, we could not build a wall tomorrow. Even if it was started in earnest tomorrow it would take decades. Getting the land will be tied up in the courts for years.

And that was the original idea presented by law in 2006 that every President has worked with until the Orange Rump came along with his various carny side shows. Bush Jr. and Obama built, on the average, 74 miles of new construction each year. This does not take into consideration for repairs and upgrades. All that is built into the original 1.3 billion dollar fiscal allocation. It was known then that the security could only be reasonably done for abut 1000 miles of the nearly 2000 miles. To date, there is about 733 miles done of various degrees. In the last 3 years, there has been ZERO (let me repeat that) ZERO new construction done although it's been allocated.

You want the wall built yet you won't force Rump into actually doing the things to build it. And that also means getting the right of way to place the facilities on private land. And it doesn't take a wall, necessarily, to guard the border. If a land owner doesn't want that ungodly looking Bollard Wall, it can be done with a simple road, border patrols and electronic listening devices. It can be done with little or no intrusive presence. It's not being done.

Instead, you are caught up in the Carny Side Show that is designed just to separate the Rubes from the money. And it's done a pretty good job of that with your assistance.

 

[pknopp]

Also from the above link:

"In addition to cutting through the walls, officials told the Post that smugglers have also repeatedly scaled and climbed over the walls with makeshift ladders, particularly in areas near San Diego."

I guess that, Mexicans have learned to use ladders. Who could have known?

Let me ask.... do you think more... or less... or the same number would be crossing if there was absolutely not border whatsoever?

No one anywhere suggested that the number of illegal crossing would end up zero with the wall.

The number of illegal crossings from East to West Germany was not zero during that time, and the Soviets were shooting to kill those who crossed.

People can advocate this all day BUT it's something we are never going to do so it's not a solution.

Great, so what is a solution?

I'm all open to new ideas, but you have to actually have one. Until then, a wall is most certainly better than nothing.

Enforce our employment laws. It's as simple as that. Putting a little more teeth into them might be nice also. That could be done quickly. Enforcing the laws could be done today.

 

[pknopp]

Everytime you say "Wall" you are doing that.

That is an insane thing for you to say.

Fact. We could address the employers tomorrow. The wall is never going to be built.

We could address employers tomorrow. Except there seems to be no real political will to do so.


We could also build a Wall tomorrow. Except that our political class refuses to do so.



Not sure why you respect your own pet project on this, while disrespecting mine.

No, we could not build a wall tomorrow. Even if it was started in earnest tomorrow it would take decades. Getting the land will be tied up in the courts for years.

And that was the original idea presented by law in 2006 that every President has worked with until the Orange Rump came along with his various carny side shows. Bush Jr. and Obama built, on the average, 74 miles of new construction each year. This does not take into consideration for repairs and upgrades. All that is built into the original 1.3 billion dollar fiscal allocation. It was known then that the security could only be reasonably done for abut 1000 miles of the nearly 2000 miles. To date, there is about 733 miles done of various degrees. In the last 3 years, there has been ZERO (let me repeat that) ZERO new construction done although it's been allocated.

You want the wall built yet you won't force Rump into actually doing the things to build it. And that also means getting the right of way to place the facilities on private land. And it doesn't take a wall, necessarily, to guard the border. If a land owner doesn't want that ungodly looking Bollard Wall, it can be done with a simple road, border patrols and electronic listening devices. It can be done with little or no intrusive presence. It's not being done.

Instead, you are caught up in the Carny Side Show that is designed just to separate the Rubes from the money. And it's done a pretty good job of that with your assistance.

I don't think you have read anything I've said.

 

[NoVote]

Shirly, your NOT surprised?

 

[gtopa1]

Pictures have been presented but you scream "Fake News" when they are presented. A clip where Rump is admitting to it but is playing id down with his 2nd grade engineering also has been shown in here. The only fake news here is YOU.

The pictures that have been presented were test cuts made during testing, and those were accomplished with cutting torches.

This has already been proven dude.

Anyone can get a cutting torch. What is your point.

eastcorner is doing nothing but a "Hey, look over there" once again. He's picking nits hoping we won't see just how vulnerable the wall without the other features are. The wall, by itself failed the Chinese in the 12th through 16th century for the same reasons.

The wall HAS other features as did the GWofC. You are quite the ignorant one.

Greg

Let's see. The GWofC was defeated by bribery, tunneling, cutting holes in it, the Dynasties didn't have the manpower to man the entire wall, there were breaks in it for long stretches, electronics were about 400 to 800 years into the future so that wasn't a factor. If you can't go over it, you go under it. If you can't go under it, you go through it. If you can't go through it, you bribe your way through the check points. If you can't bribe your way through it you just go around it. The Dynasties invested millions of workers in building their wall and in the end, it didn't stop them from being invaded and overthrown not once but many times. Yes, it looks good from space but it ended up being a failure.

The Wall, without the other features is just a bother. It's an expensive failure. When Rump too over and created the Border Problem, he ended up taking Border Patrol people off their beats and they ended up being glorified Baby Sitters or Jailers. The investments in the Immigration Court Systems was reduced to pay for these holding facilities and transports. The Funds for electronic listening was diminished to pay for these programs as well. It's a failed system. And you are too busy bowing to your Orange Rump to see where it needs to be changed. Actually, it needs to be changed BACK to the original idea that was presented in 2006.

Your "Wall" is as much a success as the GWofC.

You need to read more.

What Was The Great Wall’s Purpose?

Construction began on parts of the wall as early as 7th BC, but it was Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor, who connected these parts and created what resembled a wall in 221 – 206 BC. It was more like a line of guard posts that helped spread signals to warn of invasions and draw in reinforcement troops.

The purpose of the wall was to protect against members of the XiongNu (also sometimes referred to as the “Huns”, a nomadic people in Ancient Central Asia) who often raided the Chinese northern border.

The XiongNu were highly mobile herders, who rode on horseback, and at the time were very adept at stealing from their neighbors of Northern China. While the wall was probably ineffective against individual armies (who could scale the side of it), the wall was much better at keeping horsemen and their horses out. Instead of having an open prairie as their battleground, the nomadic army was forced to concentrate their attack at one section of the wall. A smoke or fire signal would be lit along the wall, and reinforcement troops would be sent in.

Of course, not all horseback invasions were stopped, and there have been instances of nomadic people breaching the wall. However, one could argue that without the wall, China would’ve been invaded far more times if the wall hadn’t been there.

Was The Great Wall of China Actually Effective?

As with any defensive system it was integrated and relied on the mobility of defenders ALONG the wall. You should read more.

Greg

 

[Correll]

...and Democrats import Illegals to do the job that real American think is repulsive - vote for Democrats.

Trump sup[porters hire illegals to save money and increase profits. Trump's businesses have done it for years and even had illegals working while Trump was President.

Then since you are afflicted with TDS you should be against open borders to deny Trump his cheap labor. Don't tell any of your Moon Bat buddies that you oppose open borders because they will call you a racist.

I am against open borders but a plan that is put together with critical thinking and consideration of the many different people who are trying to enter our country.
Not a plan based on stereotyping immigrants and based on hate because of the false claim that unemployed white males will have high paying jobs if we eliminate illegal work force.
The unemployed white males will be mowing lawns, working in slaughter houses, picking fruit, working in fields if illegals are stopped, but they will not do it.
Go after those who hire them.

I have a white guy who cuts my lawn. What is the problem?

Why that just UnMerican. How dare you deprive an illegal immigrant his job like that.

The problem is, we bag the illegal worker and let the company or individual off with a cross look and they just do it again and again. You want it to stop? Start by sending companies and individuals to prison for hiring them in the first place.

And don't give me that crap about the Employer doesn't know who is and who isn't a legal worker. There is a wink and a nod system in place. ......

1. Deport the illegal.

2. If it can be shown that the employer knew, then yes, the employer should also be punished.

 

[Flash]

Trump sup[porters hire illegals to save money and increase profits. Trump's businesses have done it for years and even had illegals working while Trump was President.

Then since you are afflicted with TDS you should be against open borders to deny Trump his cheap labor. Don't tell any of your Moon Bat buddies that you oppose open borders because they will call you a racist.

I am against open borders but a plan that is put together with critical thinking and consideration of the many different people who are trying to enter our country.
Not a plan based on stereotyping immigrants and based on hate because of the false claim that unemployed white males will have high paying jobs if we eliminate illegal work force.
The unemployed white males will be mowing lawns, working in slaughter houses, picking fruit, working in fields if illegals are stopped, but they will not do it.
Go after those who hire them.

I have a white guy who cuts my lawn. What is the problem?

Why that just UnMerican. How dare you deprive an illegal immigrant his job like that.

The problem is, we bag the illegal worker and let the company or individual off with a cross look and they just do it again and again. You want it to stop? Start by sending companies and individuals to prison for hiring them in the first place.

And don't give me that crap about the Employer doesn't know who is and who isn't a legal worker. There is a wink and a nod system in place. ......

1. Deport the illegal.

2. If it can be shown that the employer knew, then yes, the employer should also be punished.

These Moon Bats hate the idea of a wall only because Trump is doing it. They know that it is effective against most of the Illegal filth but they won't admit it because of the TDS mental illness.

 

[rightwinger]

The wall is a temporary inconvenience

Once Trump is gone, so will the wall

The only people its and inconvenience to is illegals trying to get in. Certainly not your stupid ass.

Oh and the wall will be there when Trump leaves office.

If I had my way they would electrify the whole thing. Let people get cooked who try to fuck with that wall.

More than works for me.

Once Trump is gone, the wall will crumble

It will become a tourist attraction as a monument to Conservative wasteful spending

 

[Third Party]

...with a power tool retailing for $100.

Smugglers are reportedly cutting holes in Trump’s newly constructed border wall with saws and power tools

How could anyone be surprised about this?

Just remember, it is not Trump's wall-it is OUR wall. And an attack on it is an Attack on the United States. I say open season on any who attack us!

...so let's throw billions and billions of dollars at a problem which will have absolutely no effect at all. I will say this again. I live 35 miles from the border and hundreds, if not thousands of Mexicans cross through the BP check point every day, and nobody knows if the return to Mexico or not.

Exactly. I live 7 miles from the busiest border crossing in the world where 100,000+ people cross per day. That's where illegal immigration is coming from and that's where our efforts should be focused. Not a stupid wall that can be cut with a $100 reciprocating saw or climbed with a rebar ladder and rope, or defeated in many other ways.

That's 4th grade level problem solving. We can do better.

REALLY?? Majority of illegal immigration is coming from day passes at an authorized border crossing? THat's a new story.. Call the WaPO and CBP....

If you are NOT on preapproved VISA or a day pass, you'll be processed under "amnesty"... And granted that's about 1/2 of the illegal volume.. But why would ANYONE with a winnable amnesty case choose to crash thru cartel thugs and smugglers and the desert to force their way in OUTSIDE of a legal border crossing?

That's the other 1/2 or more of the problem... And by logic and reason, it contains the folks with the MOST PROBLEMS that would prevent their applications at a CBP checkpoint...

Yes. The majority of illegal immigration comes from people over staying their visas. I don't have to tell WaPo, they already know. And so does Trump. It is not a new story for any but the stupidest of red state nutters.

For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...6ef970-65d7-11e9-82ba-fcfeff232e8f_story.html

NO illegal alien should be here regardless of reason! Stuff your excuses.

 

[Third Party]

Just remember, it is not Trump's wall-it is OUR wall. And an attack on it is an Attack on the United States. I say open season on any who attack us!

...so let's throw billions and billions of dollars at a problem which will have absolutely no effect at all. I will say this again. I live 35 miles from the border and hundreds, if not thousands of Mexicans cross through the BP check point every day, and nobody knows if the return to Mexico or not.

Exactly. I live 7 miles from the busiest border crossing in the world where 100,000+ people cross per day. That's where illegal immigration is coming from and that's where our efforts should be focused. Not a stupid wall that can be cut with a $100 reciprocating saw or climbed with a rebar ladder and rope, or defeated in many other ways.

That's 4th grade level problem solving. We can do better.

REALLY?? Majority of illegal immigration is coming from day passes at an authorized border crossing? THat's a new story.. Call the WaPO and CBP....

If you are NOT on preapproved VISA or a day pass, you'll be processed under "amnesty"... And granted that's about 1/2 of the illegal volume.. But why would ANYONE with a winnable amnesty case choose to crash thru cartel thugs and smugglers and the desert to force their way in OUTSIDE of a legal border crossing?

That's the other 1/2 or more of the problem... And by logic and reason, it contains the folks with the MOST PROBLEMS that would prevent their applications at a CBP checkpoint...

Yes. The majority of illegal immigration comes from people over staying their visas. I don't have to tell WaPo, they already know. And so does Trump. It is not a new story for any but the stupidest of red state nutters.

For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...6ef970-65d7-11e9-82ba-fcfeff232e8f_story.html

Wrong, it's not the majority. It's about 40%. So you believe the wall is a failure if even one person gets past it, but your plan is a great success if 60% get past it.

You're a dumbass, of course.

I like YOUR plan-don't even try. Why bother doing anything? It might not work good.

 

[NotYourBody]

Just remember, it is not Trump's wall-it is OUR wall. And an attack on it is an Attack on the United States. I say open season on any who attack us!

...so let's throw billions and billions of dollars at a problem which will have absolutely no effect at all. I will say this again. I live 35 miles from the border and hundreds, if not thousands of Mexicans cross through the BP check point every day, and nobody knows if the return to Mexico or not.

Exactly. I live 7 miles from the busiest border crossing in the world where 100,000+ people cross per day. That's where illegal immigration is coming from and that's where our efforts should be focused. Not a stupid wall that can be cut with a $100 reciprocating saw or climbed with a rebar ladder and rope, or defeated in many other ways.

That's 4th grade level problem solving. We can do better.

REALLY?? Majority of illegal immigration is coming from day passes at an authorized border crossing? THat's a new story.. Call the WaPO and CBP....

If you are NOT on preapproved VISA or a day pass, you'll be processed under "amnesty"... And granted that's about 1/2 of the illegal volume.. But why would ANYONE with a winnable amnesty case choose to crash thru cartel thugs and smugglers and the desert to force their way in OUTSIDE of a legal border crossing?

That's the other 1/2 or more of the problem... And by logic and reason, it contains the folks with the MOST PROBLEMS that would prevent their applications at a CBP checkpoint...

Yes. The majority of illegal immigration comes from people over staying their visas. I don't have to tell WaPo, they already know. And so does Trump. It is not a new story for any but the stupidest of red state nutters.

For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...6ef970-65d7-11e9-82ba-fcfeff232e8f_story.html

That's true.... but only because we have been doing a better and better job at the border.

If you look at the broader time line, you can see clearly the prior to the crash in 2008, the vast vast majority of the illegals in this country were here from just walking across the border.

Clearly.... CLEARLY... the vast vast majority of illegals in this country even today, came from the vast numbers just walking in the country 10 years ago.

Yes, it's true, that more of the NEW illegals *THIS YEAR* will be from VISA overstays, rather than walking the border. But that doesn't change the fact that the majority of illegals already here, are here because they walked the border.

That doesn't mean that VISA overstays are not a problem, obviously they are. And as your own link points out, Trump is also looking into that as well.

But one problems, doesn't negate another problem. Both are problems. Until you deal with people just walking across the border on foot, there is no point to dealing with the millions of illegals already in the country.

You need to provide a source for that graph.

 

[NotYourBody]

Just remember, it is not Trump's wall-it is OUR wall. And an attack on it is an Attack on the United States. I say open season on any who attack us!

...so let's throw billions and billions of dollars at a problem which will have absolutely no effect at all. I will say this again. I live 35 miles from the border and hundreds, if not thousands of Mexicans cross through the BP check point every day, and nobody knows if the return to Mexico or not.

Exactly. I live 7 miles from the busiest border crossing in the world where 100,000+ people cross per day. That's where illegal immigration is coming from and that's where our efforts should be focused. Not a stupid wall that can be cut with a $100 reciprocating saw or climbed with a rebar ladder and rope, or defeated in many other ways.

That's 4th grade level problem solving. We can do better.

REALLY?? Majority of illegal immigration is coming from day passes at an authorized border crossing? THat's a new story.. Call the WaPO and CBP....

If you are NOT on preapproved VISA or a day pass, you'll be processed under "amnesty"... And granted that's about 1/2 of the illegal volume.. But why would ANYONE with a winnable amnesty case choose to crash thru cartel thugs and smugglers and the desert to force their way in OUTSIDE of a legal border crossing?

That's the other 1/2 or more of the problem... And by logic and reason, it contains the folks with the MOST PROBLEMS that would prevent their applications at a CBP checkpoint...

Yes. The majority of illegal immigration comes from people over staying their visas. I don't have to tell WaPo, they already know. And so does Trump. It is not a new story for any but the stupidest of red state nutters.

For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...6ef970-65d7-11e9-82ba-fcfeff232e8f_story.html

Wrong, it's not the majority. It's about 40%. So you believe the wall is a failure if even one person gets past it, but your plan is a great success if 60% get past it.

You're a dumbass, of course.

Provide a link to a reliable source for your claim. Otherwise it's just more nutter bullshit.

 

[rightwinger]

Haha...nobody is real eager to answer this one....Weird, I wonder why.

Siete rightwinger Daryl Hunt Brain357 candycorn Vandalshandle Mac1958 debbiedowner JoeB131
Just to be clear....So when a LefTardo decides to secure his/her property line to stop trespassers they don’t start with a fence / wall...they go straight to armed guards and expensive technology?

My neighbor has a Mexican who cuts his lawn

That is why I built a wall

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The pictures that have been presented were test cuts made during testing, and those were accomplished with cutting torches.

This has already been proven dude.

Anyone can get a cutting torch. What is your point.

eastcorner is doing nothing but a "Hey, look over there" once again. He's picking nits hoping we won't see just how vulnerable the wall without the other features are. The wall, by itself failed the Chinese in the 12th through 16th century for the same reasons.

The wall HAS other features as did the GWofC. You are quite the ignorant one.

Greg

Let's see. The GWofC was defeated by bribery, tunneling, cutting holes in it, the Dynasties didn't have the manpower to man the entire wall, there were breaks in it for long stretches, electronics were about 400 to 800 years into the future so that wasn't a factor. If you can't go over it, you go under it. If you can't go under it, you go through it. If you can't go through it, you bribe your way through the check points. If you can't bribe your way through it you just go around it. The Dynasties invested millions of workers in building their wall and in the end, it didn't stop them from being invaded and overthrown not once but many times. Yes, it looks good from space but it ended up being a failure.

The Wall, without the other features is just a bother. It's an expensive failure. When Rump too over and created the Border Problem, he ended up taking Border Patrol people off their beats and they ended up being glorified Baby Sitters or Jailers. The investments in the Immigration Court Systems was reduced to pay for these holding facilities and transports. The Funds for electronic listening was diminished to pay for these programs as well. It's a failed system. And you are too busy bowing to your Orange Rump to see where it needs to be changed. Actually, it needs to be changed BACK to the original idea that was presented in 2006.

Your "Wall" is as much a success as the GWofC.

You need to read more.

What Was The Great Wall’s Purpose?

Construction began on parts of the wall as early as 7th BC, but it was Qin Shi Huang, the first emperor, who connected these parts and created what resembled a wall in 221 – 206 BC. It was more like a line of guard posts that helped spread signals to warn of invasions and draw in reinforcement troops.

The purpose of the wall was to protect against members of the XiongNu (also sometimes referred to as the “Huns”, a nomadic people in Ancient Central Asia) who often raided the Chinese northern border.

The XiongNu were highly mobile herders, who rode on horseback, and at the time were very adept at stealing from their neighbors of Northern China. While the wall was probably ineffective against individual armies (who could scale the side of it), the wall was much better at keeping horsemen and their horses out. Instead of having an open prairie as their battleground, the nomadic army was forced to concentrate their attack at one section of the wall. A smoke or fire signal would be lit along the wall, and reinforcement troops would be sent in.

Of course, not all horseback invasions were stopped, and there have been instances of nomadic people breaching the wall. However, one could argue that without the wall, China would’ve been invaded far more times if the wall hadn’t been there.

Was The Great Wall of China Actually Effective?

As with any defensive system it was integrated and relied on the mobility of defenders ALONG the wall. You should read more.

Greg

And because they depended on it solely, it failed in the end. The Mongols just went around it. The Wall was NEVER one continuous wall. But China is one really hard area to invade even without the wall. Even today, if Russia were to try and invade China there are only about 2 choak points they could use. There are 3 countries today that an invasion just won't work and that is Russia, China and the US. Geographically, it's just impossible. Well, unless Canada got one hell of a lot stronger and decided to warm up. So we will say North America instead of the US. What was the one thing that defeated the China wall? The horse and the greatest Medium Calvary that has ever existed. What finally stopped the Mongols? The Heavy Calvary in Europe. There were millions of lives spent to build the wall and in the end, someone figured out a way to defeat it.

And the China Wall never did stop the stragglers. It was designed to stop the Raiders of the time. If you wanted to scale it to come live in China, they would do nothing to stop you. If you wanted to scale it to leave China, they would hold the end of the Rope. What you are wanting to do is to stop the stragglers and a Wall by itself won't do it. But a decent amount of boots on the ground with electronic sensors will and that can go places a wall can't and is unobtrusive on private lands. You have to have permission from the Landowner to build that wall but you don't need his permission to send in the border guards to arrest illegal entries onto private land. Plus, the electronic and boots on the ground do not obstruct the pathway for wildlife. The Wall only works in condensed population areas or where you have Federal Land that is flat. And if Rump were to follow the law, he would have finished that up this year. Instead, not one single inch of new construction has gone on in any form including Security Fencing (which includes Bollard), Electronic methods and boots on the ground. In fact, boots on the ground have been repurposed to act as jailers and daycare center operators.

But the funds, by law, have been allocated at 1.43 million a year for the last 3 years. That includes the building of an average of 74 miles per year of new construction including fencing and other methods. It hasn't been done. Where has those funds been spent? I'll say it again, Rump doesn't need any more money. What he needs is a good Audit.

 

[Claudette]

The wall is a temporary inconvenience

Once Trump is gone, so will the wall

The only people its and inconvenience to is illegals trying to get in. Certainly not your stupid ass.

Oh and the wall will be there when Trump leaves office.

If I had my way they would electrify the whole thing. Let people get cooked who try to fuck with that wall.

More than works for me.

Once Trump is gone, the wall will crumble

It will become a tourist attraction as a monument to Conservative wasteful spending

LMAO The wall will be there when Trump leaves office and it will be a monument to saving billions of tax dollars and not letting illegals in.

It will also be a monument to booting the 20 million who are here the hell out.

Carry on dumbass.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Haha...nobody is real eager to answer this one....Weird, I wonder why.

Siete rightwinger Daryl Hunt Brain357 candycorn Vandalshandle Mac1958 debbiedowner JoeB131
Just to be clear....So when a LefTardo decides to secure his/her property line to stop trespassers they don’t start with a fence / wall...they go straight to armed guards and expensive technology?

My neighbor has a Mexican who cuts his lawn

That is why I built a wall

Are you sure HE didn't build the wall to keep your White Grounds Keeper from coming onto his property and corrupting his Mexican Grounds Keeper?

 

[rightwinger]

only children depend on pictures

So no picture no story

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finally some pictures. now the challenge you have is proving those fences are the border fencing. hmmmmm

the proof is right there in the picture link,,,

Wrong. The bottom picture shows a concrete wall. Nothing on the border is concrete.

But Trump promised a CONCRETE wall
He is an expert on concrete

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The wall is a temporary inconvenience

Once Trump is gone, so will the wall

The only people its and inconvenience to is illegals trying to get in. Certainly not your stupid ass.

Oh and the wall will be there when Trump leaves office.

If I had my way they would electrify the whole thing. Let people get cooked who try to fuck with that wall.

More than works for me.

Once Trump is gone, the wall will crumble

It will become a tourist attraction as a monument to Conservative wasteful spending

LMAO The wall will be there when Trump leaves office and it will be a monument to saving billions of tax dollars and not letting illegals in.

It will also be a monument to booting the 20 million who are here the hell out.

Carry on dumbass.

And yet, not one single inch of new construction has been done in the last 3 years. It will be there but it will still be the original 733 miles that Bush Jr. and Obama built. Okay, with a few improvements. But not one inch of new construction even though new construction has been paid for. Maybe Rump is building a new Golf Course in Arizona that we don't know about and is using illegals to build it but calling a detention center.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

That is an insane thing for you to say.

Fact. We could address the employers tomorrow. The wall is never going to be built.

We could address employers tomorrow. Except there seems to be no real political will to do so.


We could also build a Wall tomorrow. Except that our political class refuses to do so.



Not sure why you respect your own pet project on this, while disrespecting mine.

No, we could not build a wall tomorrow. Even if it was started in earnest tomorrow it would take decades. Getting the land will be tied up in the courts for years.

And that was the original idea presented by law in 2006 that every President has worked with until the Orange Rump came along with his various carny side shows. Bush Jr. and Obama built, on the average, 74 miles of new construction each year. This does not take into consideration for repairs and upgrades. All that is built into the original 1.3 billion dollar fiscal allocation. It was known then that the security could only be reasonably done for abut 1000 miles of the nearly 2000 miles. To date, there is about 733 miles done of various degrees. In the last 3 years, there has been ZERO (let me repeat that) ZERO new construction done although it's been allocated.

You want the wall built yet you won't force Rump into actually doing the things to build it. And that also means getting the right of way to place the facilities on private land. And it doesn't take a wall, necessarily, to guard the border. If a land owner doesn't want that ungodly looking Bollard Wall, it can be done with a simple road, border patrols and electronic listening devices. It can be done with little or no intrusive presence. It's not being done.

Instead, you are caught up in the Carny Side Show that is designed just to separate the Rubes from the money. And it's done a pretty good job of that with your assistance.

I don't think you have read anything I've said.

Why, because I don't agree with everything you have said? I could say the same thing about you. But history is not one of your strong suits.

 

[pknopp]

Fact. We could address the employers tomorrow. The wall is never going to be built.

We could address employers tomorrow. Except there seems to be no real political will to do so.


We could also build a Wall tomorrow. Except that our political class refuses to do so.



Not sure why you respect your own pet project on this, while disrespecting mine.

No, we could not build a wall tomorrow. Even if it was started in earnest tomorrow it would take decades. Getting the land will be tied up in the courts for years.

And that was the original idea presented by law in 2006 that every President has worked with until the Orange Rump came along with his various carny side shows. Bush Jr. and Obama built, on the average, 74 miles of new construction each year. This does not take into consideration for repairs and upgrades. All that is built into the original 1.3 billion dollar fiscal allocation. It was known then that the security could only be reasonably done for abut 1000 miles of the nearly 2000 miles. To date, there is about 733 miles done of various degrees. In the last 3 years, there has been ZERO (let me repeat that) ZERO new construction done although it's been allocated.

You want the wall built yet you won't force Rump into actually doing the things to build it. And that also means getting the right of way to place the facilities on private land. And it doesn't take a wall, necessarily, to guard the border. If a land owner doesn't want that ungodly looking Bollard Wall, it can be done with a simple road, border patrols and electronic listening devices. It can be done with little or no intrusive presence. It's not being done.

Instead, you are caught up in the Carny Side Show that is designed just to separate the Rubes from the money. And it's done a pretty good job of that with your assistance.

I don't think you have read anything I've said.

Why, because I don't agree with everything you have said? I could say the same thing about you. But history is not one of your strong suits.

No it's because I never said I wanted the wall built. I argued the exact opposite.