Interracial relationships

[WinterBorn]

It boggles my mind that some people haven't got enough to do, but think who someone befriends or falls in love with is any of their business.

Why does it matter??

Because culture and community are the result of the aggregation of individuals.

Take this down to a smaller scale. Tribes. The way to shape the culture of the tribe is to banish the iconoclast who is causing all sorts of trouble.

If the tribe is split between two factions, then the tribe actually splits into two different tribes because the alternative of 24/365 cultural warfare within one tribe is awful to endure.

Any group that wants to split off and form their own group, simply because of interracial relationship is welcome to go. They are obviously too ignorant to be worth expending energy trying to keep.

If we cater to whining of the lowest in our society we will never accomplish much.

 

[reconmark]

There are a lot worse alternatives than an organized Big Sort to split up the US. The liberals can take one side, they can take the poor people, they can implement their desired communist system, they can open their borders wide and invite everyone to join them. The other, normal people, can be punished by having their own society free of liberals, free of multiculturalism, free of open borders, free of communism.

The trick is to enforce the separation after the fact though. As we see going on right now, liberals befoul their nest in California and can't stand living in the mess they've created so they hightail it to Colorado and keep voting the same way, bring the same nest befoulment to Colorado that they inflicted upon California.

Once you kick us out of your part of the country, we need to insure that you don't follow us and ask to join us a few years later. You made your multicultural bed, so sleep in it.

AAhhh...so now that your earlier analogy came around to bite you in the ass, you want to move the goal posts???...really predictable on your part.

Now let me explain why you are a loser...have always been a loser...will continue to be a loser.

The liberals can take one side, they can take the poor people,

The largest group of middle class citizens happen to be liberals, they are also the group with the highest percentage of formal education.
Were they to consolidate and go anywhere, you could forget about your career at jiffy lube.

If by statistical analysis all the White racist decided to consolidate and move anywhere, they would automatically recede decades in terms of intellectual, educational, medical and technological day to day conveniences.

There would be no need for more intelligent and educated folks to follow you into self-induced starvation and poverty, however, because most liberals, moderates and independents aren't as socially irresponsible as you, we will leave foodstuffs and quilts on your borders so that you all don't starve and freeze to death every winter.

The last 40 years of White supremacist have taught society one thing about their ability to be self sufficient.

They resort to bank robbery, armored car robbery, drug sales, organized crime and selling racist knick -knacks to like minded losers.

Our biggest problems will be racist scavengers going through our garbage at night to feed their bastards and attempting to recruit the more intelligent Whites to uplift their medieval
standard of living.

Sorry, how long does it take for stupid folk to realize they are stupid???
For 200 years folk like you have failed...there's no longer any Jim Crow, codified segregation, rampant lynching or sexual assaults of Black women.

People laugh at your "ghost suits", fake nazi attire and your cheap "doc martin" boots.
The KKK is a club for the lower class to circle jerk and become reminiscent of times they never even lived in.

When a supremacist does step out of line and runs his mouth, it usually resorts in a well deserved ass whipping.



So hit me up and let me know the date of this epic racial awakening...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBijwPC7ATg]Blacks Will Lose Race War - YouTube[/ame]

Load up in the truck!

Yes, this is "proof" in your mind...

Again, when is this great racial awakening going to take place???
What tree stump can I leave the bastards food scraps and blankets on???

 

[Rikurzhen]

Yes there are. And they are very minor differences in skeletal structure or the like. Certainly not enough to matter in real life.

Now I am sure you can find sources that show these differences. But can you find reputable sources that show the difference count for anything?

Compared to white Americans, blacks have:

• lower marriage rates and higher divorce rates;
  
• more unwed motherhood and fatherless children;
  
• children with lower high school and college graduation rates and more school discipline problems;
  
• lower credit ratings,
  
• commission of much more violent crime than Euros,
  
• higher rates of obesity, HIV, and STDs;
  
• lower performance on grade school testing, the SAT, the ACT, medical school exams (MCAT), law school exams (LSAT), the bar exam, police and fire exams, the military entrance exam, and teachers' exams.

The consequences of this are felt all throughout society. This miserable recession/depression stems from the fact that do-gooder politicians corrupted the banking system be creating incentives/mandates for banks to lend to uncreditworthy customers in order to boost black and Hispanic home ownership rates. Government tried to address black dysfunction and that almost collapsed the whole economy.

Schools have turned to shit because Job #1 is no longer to educate each child to their maximum potential, the primary mission now is to close the achievement gap. That's impossible to do, so all sorts of degraded standards are put in place in order to make it look like "we're all the same."

Liberals are screaming about gun control because they can't scream about black violence.

The single best predictor for homicide in a neighborhood or city is proportion of black population. That beats, by a long shot, the concentration of guns or wealth inequality.

Liberals have to pretend that they're worried about gun violence. That the duck hunter or the country farmer are dangerous to everyone. Liberals tend to cluster into big cities and also living in the urban environment are a lot of blacks. It's the blacks who are the danger to urban liberals, not gun owners, but liberals can't say that, so they direct their ire at a broad group in order to vent.

The list goes on and on. The consequences for society are very costly. Crime, family life, dysfunction, lack of educational progress, corrupted hiring and promotion standards, abandonment of merit in the workplace replaced with racial quotas, . . . . these are all REAL dynamics, they all have REAL costs and they all have REAL corrupting influences on the ideals which work as the cement that holds a society together. The mission of public schooling has to be corrupted, the mortgage market and creditworthiness have to be corrupted, merit has to be corrupted.

 

[Asclepias]

Yes there are. And they are very minor differences in skeletal structure or the like. Certainly not enough to matter in real life.

Now I am sure you can find sources that show these differences. But can you find reputable sources that show the difference count for anything?

Compared to white Americans, blacks have:

• lower marriage rates and higher divorce rates;
  
• more unwed motherhood and fatherless children;
  
• children with lower high school and college graduation rates and more school discipline problems;
  
• lower credit ratings,
  
• commission of much more violent crime than Euros,
  
• higher rates of obesity, HIV, and STDs;
  
• lower performance on grade school testing, the SAT, the ACT, medical school exams (MCAT), law school exams (LSAT), the bar exam, police and fire exams, the military entrance exam, and teachers' exams.

The consequences of this are felt all throughout society. This miserable recession/depression stems from the fact that do-gooder politicians corrupted the banking system be creating incentives/mandates for banks to lend to uncreditworthy customers in order to boost black and Hispanic home ownership rates. Government tried to address black dysfunction and that almost collapsed the whole economy.

Schools have turned to shit because Job #1 is no longer to educate each child to their maximum potential, the primary mission now is to close the achievement gap. That's impossible to do, so all sorts of degraded standards are put in place in order to make it look like "we're all the same."

Liberals are screaming about gun control because they can't scream about black violence.

The single best predictor for homicide in a neighborhood or city is proportion of black population. That beats, by a long shot, the concentration of guns or wealth inequality.

Liberals have to pretend that they're worried about gun violence. That the duck hunter or the country farmer are dangerous to everyone. Liberals tend to cluster into big cities and also living in the urban environment are a lot of blacks. It's the blacks who are the danger to urban liberals, not gun owners, but liberals can't say that, so they direct their ire at a broad group in order to vent.

The list goes on and on. The consequences for society are very costly. Crime, family life, dysfunction, lack of educational progress, corrupted hiring and promotion standards, abandonment of merit in the workplace replaced with racial quotas, . . . . these are all REAL dynamics, they all have REAL costs and they all have REAL corrupting influences on the ideals which work as the cement that holds a society together. The mission of public schooling has to be corrupted, the mortgage market and creditworthiness have to be corrupted, merit has to be corrupted.

You did all the hard work and typing for nothing. Now prove to the board how any of that has to do with genetics and not the result of a social caste system.

 

[Rikurzhen]

You did all the hard work and typing for nothing. Now prove to the board how any of that has to do with genetics and not the result of a social caste system.

The go-to explanation is that social class is responsible. Well, it sure isn't parental income which is causing the problem for we see the children of rich black parents can't outperform the children of poor white parents.

And it sure isn't about parental education. The black children of couples with graduate degrees are outperformed by the white and Asian children raised in homes where the parents have only a HS diploma.

 

[Asclepias]

You did all the hard work and typing for nothing. Now prove to the board how any of that has to do with genetics and not the result of a social caste system.

The go-to explanation is that social class is responsible. Well, it sure isn't parental income which is causing the problem for we see the children of rich black parents can't outperform the children of poor white parents.

And it sure isn't about parental education. The black children of couples with graduate degrees are outperformed by the white and Asian children raised in homes where the parents have only a HS diploma.

Like most cretins you lack the ability to think beyond what is presented to you and form and intelligent thought. Thats how statistics are used to fool the gullible people such as yourself. Show me on the graph where it displays the length of time these Blacks have been in the upper class. I can tell you from experience if it is 2 or more generations they will soundly outperform white children with families that are in the same time frame. Next show me on the graph where these kids may faced discrimination and other events that affected their motivation to do well or pay attention in class. You have to ask more questions so you can come to intelligent well informed conclusions. You simply have to do better and not let people lead you around by the nose by showing you a spreadsheet. The more information you have the closer you will get to the truth. By the way do you have a link to the page you got those graphs from?

Last question. How did you link this to genetics? Just curious. Because people from Africa outperform everyone in the US and England when it comes to scholastic achievement. Are you saying the reason for the low scores is because AFrican Americans have too much white DNA in them?

According to U.S. Census Bureau data, in an analysis performed by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education, African immigrants here were more likely to be college educated than any other immigrant group. Not only that, but African immigrants are also more highly educated than any other native-born ethnic group including white Americans. (Gasp) The 48.9% of all African immigrants that have earned a college degree is slightly higher than the percentage of degreed Asian immigrants, twice the rate of native-born whites, and four times the rate of native-born African Americans.

If thats not it how do you explain the Black Mensa members?

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes there are. And they are very minor differences in skeletal structure or the like. Certainly not enough to matter in real life.

Now I am sure you can find sources that show these differences. But can you find reputable sources that show the difference count for anything?

Compared to white Americans, blacks have:

• lower marriage rates and higher divorce rates;
  
• more unwed motherhood and fatherless children;
  
• children with lower high school and college graduation rates and more school discipline problems;
  
• lower credit ratings,
  
• commission of much more violent crime than Euros,
  
• higher rates of obesity, HIV, and STDs;
  
• lower performance on grade school testing, the SAT, the ACT, medical school exams (MCAT), law school exams (LSAT), the bar exam, police and fire exams, the military entrance exam, and teachers' exams.

The consequences of this are felt all throughout society. This miserable recession/depression stems from the fact that do-gooder politicians corrupted the banking system be creating incentives/mandates for banks to lend to uncreditworthy customers in order to boost black and Hispanic home ownership rates. Government tried to address black dysfunction and that almost collapsed the whole economy.

Schools have turned to shit because Job #1 is no longer to educate each child to their maximum potential, the primary mission now is to close the achievement gap. That's impossible to do, so all sorts of degraded standards are put in place in order to make it look like "we're all the same."

Liberals are screaming about gun control because they can't scream about black violence.

The single best predictor for homicide in a neighborhood or city is proportion of black population. That beats, by a long shot, the concentration of guns or wealth inequality.

Liberals have to pretend that they're worried about gun violence. That the duck hunter or the country farmer are dangerous to everyone. Liberals tend to cluster into big cities and also living in the urban environment are a lot of blacks. It's the blacks who are the danger to urban liberals, not gun owners, but liberals can't say that, so they direct their ire at a broad group in order to vent.

The list goes on and on. The consequences for society are very costly. Crime, family life, dysfunction, lack of educational progress, corrupted hiring and promotion standards, abandonment of merit in the workplace replaced with racial quotas, . . . . these are all REAL dynamics, they all have REAL costs and they all have REAL corrupting influences on the ideals which work as the cement that holds a society together. The mission of public schooling has to be corrupted, the mortgage market and creditworthiness have to be corrupted, merit has to be corrupted.

The post to which I replied had stated "There are physical, mental and biological differences among the races.". That was (and I thought it obvious) what I was asking for. Actual physical, mental, and biological differences between the races that amount to something.

What you copied and pasted was all about sociological differences.

And since those differences are based on averages, and not every black person, they are addressable and fixable.

I am asking for scientific facts, not socialogical nonsense.

All of the things you listed are, for the most part, based on personal choices. And whites make the same personal choices.

Teach your sons and daughters to make good choices and expect the same from their partners. Problem solved.

 

[Rikurzhen]

By the way do you have a link to the page you got those graphs from?

This SAT data is all over the place. The source is the SAT Technical Bulletin. This has been reported for years. Here's a PBS article on the phenomenon (back then $70,000 was the equivalent of today's $200,000):

One of the most disturbing, I think perhaps the most disturbing fact in our whole book is that black students coming from families earning over 70,000 are doing worse on their SATS, on average--it's always on average--than white students from families in the lowest income group. You want to cry hearing that figure. I mean, it's so terrible.​

Last question. How did you link this to genetics? Just curious.

You have to be a creationist to believe that evolution stops at the neck. It is logically impossible to posit that every racial group has the identical distribution of intelligence.

Secondly, you can perform a mental experiment and even verify it with social science evidence.

Intelligence = genetics + environment.
Social Outcome = genetics + schooling + intelligence + poverty/wealth + neighborhood + income + parental education + . . . .

The second one is the most interesting because it is the most wide-ranging.

Come up with every single damn variable in the environment which you believe causes the social disparity. Throw everything plus the kitchen sink into the pot. All of those variables should, together, and with the addition of genetics, explain 100% of the social disparity.

Now look at individual effects from each variable. Add up those effects. What's left over is explained either by genetics or some mystery variable that you haven't included.

The children of two black physicians are raised by well educated parents, they're raised in an environment of wealth, they're raised in good neighborhoods, their peer networks are children of the same social class, they attend good schools. And yet the children of the white janitor and white cafeteria lady outperform on the SAT. This situation does a pretty good job of invalidating the effects which are supposed to arise from quality of schools, parental influences, wealth and income.

Because people from Africa outperform everyone in the US and England when it comes to scholastic achievement.

That's not surprising. Every population group has very intelligent people. There are some very smart people born in Africa. The problem for them is that they're born in Africa and this really limits their economic future - they can't exploit their smarts in those dysfunctional societies. So they immigrate to the US and they do very well for themselves.

This is a selection effect focused on African IMMIGRANTS, not on people from Africa. That is, immigrants from Africa are not randomly selected. We're getting a lot of folks who are the cream of the crop. These are not the refugees who need to be resettled. There's an experiment for you. Compare the outcomes of voluntary immigrants who qualify to immigrate to the US to that of the refugees we accept from Somalia, folks who are randomly selected.

If thats not it how do you explain the Black Mensa members?

Intelligence in a population follows a normal distribution. There are smart black people. It's just that there proportion is smaller than seen in other groups.

Here is the Journal Of Blacks in Higher Education:

Let's be more specific about the SAT racial gap among high-scoring applicants. In 2005, 153,132 African Americans took the SAT test. They made up 10.4 percent of all SAT test takers. But only 1,132 African-American college-bound students scored 700 or above on the math SAT and only 1,205 scored at least 700 on the verbal SAT. Nationally, more than 100,000 students of all races scored 700 or above on the math SAT and 78,025 students scored 700 or above on the verbal SAT. Thus, in this top-scoring category of all SAT test takers, blacks made up only 1.1 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the math test and only 1.5 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the verbal SAT.

If we eliminate Asians and other minorities from the statistics and compare just white and black students, we find that 5.8 percent of all white SAT test takers scored 700 or above on the verbal portion of the test. But only 0.79 percent of all black SAT test takers scored at this level. Therefore, whites were more than seven times as likely as blacks to score 700 or above on the verbal SAT. Overall, there are more than 39 times as many whites as blacks who scored at least 700 on the verbal SAT.

On the math SAT, only 0.7 percent of all black test takers scored at least 700 compared to 6.3 percent of all white test takers. Thus, whites were nine times as likely as blacks to score 700 or above on the math SAT. Overall, there were 45 times as many whites as blacks who scored 700 or above on the math SAT.

If we raise the top-scoring threshold to students scoring 750 or above on both the math and verbal SAT — a level equal to the mean score of students entering the nation's most selective colleges such as Harvard, Princeton, and CalTech — we find that in the entire country 244 blacks scored 750 or above on the math SAT and 363 black students scored 750 or above on the verbal portion of the test. Nationwide, 33,841 students scored at least 750 on the math test and 30,479 scored at least 750 on the verbal SAT. Therefore, black students made up 0.7 percent of the test takers who scored 750 or above on the math test and 1.2 percent of all test takers who scored 750 or above on the verbal section.

Once again, if we eliminate Asians and other minorities from the calculations and compare only blacks and whites, we find that 0.2 percent of all black test takers scored 750 or above on the verbal SAT compared to 2.2 percent of all white test takers. Thus, whites were 11 times as likely as blacks to score 750 or above on the verbal portion of the test. Overall, there were 49 times as many whites as blacks who scored at or above the 750 level.

On the math SAT, only 0.16 percent of all black test takers scored 750 or above compared to 1.8 percent of white test takers. Thus, whites were more than 11 times as likely as blacks to score 750 or above on the math SAT. Overall, there were more than 61 times as many whites as blacks who scored 750 or above on the math section of the SAT.

In a race-neutral competition for the approximately 50,000 places for first-year students at the nation's 25 top-ranked universities, high-scoring blacks would be buried by a huge mountain of high-scoring non-black students. Today, under prevailing affirmative action admissions policies, there are about 3,000 black first-year students matriculating at these 25 high-ranking universities, about 6 percent of all first-year students at these institutions. But if these schools operated under a strict race-neutral admissions policy where SAT scores were the most important qualifying yardstick, these universities could fill their freshman classes almost exclusively with students who score at the very top of the SAT scoring scale. As shown previously, black students make up at best between 1 and 2 percent of these high-scoring groups.​

I highlighted a few sections in red. Those points are key to understanding what is going on. When we look about and see disproportionate representation, what we're doing is counting number of white people and number of black people. What we should be doing is counting people based on their capability. For positions which require a lot of mental firepower, in a completely non-discriminatory environment, we should expect to find 45 high achieving whites for every 1 high achieving black. That's the natural baseline. If we find 100:1 then we can probably infer some form of discrimination or inability to locate intelligent black people in the applicant pool or inability to pay high enough for the highly sought after intelligent black person to want to come to work for the organization.

If we see that there is a 20:1 ratio then we can infer that the black person was hired BECAUSE he was black, not because he was qualified, statistically speaking of course.

 

[Asclepias]

I know there are some highly intelligent people in Africa. As a matter of fact probably most are above average. They commonly speak 3 or 4 languages.

You are not making sense. If its genetics and Africans are more pure super Saharan, how is it they come over and out perform everyone else? They are not different genetically other than having a higher percentage of super Saharan DNA. They answer is that they have more resources to draw from, motivation, and less time in our racial caste system.

Intelligence = genetics + environment

Thats a false equation. if that were true then all children would do equally as well from the same familiy. Frequently some children will be successful while some will end up on skid row.

However, lets assume that is true. If Intelligence = genetics + environment how can you assume someone is unintelligent if they have a bad environment? How exactly do you test for that? How do you know the children are not doing well in school because they are pissed off due to racism? How do you capture that on any test?

 

[Rikurzhen]

The post to which I replied had stated "There are physical, mental and biological differences among the races.". That was (and I thought it obvious) what I was asking for. Actual physical, mental, and biological differences between the races that amount to something.

Amount to something as defined how?

Here are differences in health with respect to strokes:

Here are personality differences:

And since those differences are based on averages, and not every black person, they are addressable and fixable.

I am asking for scientific facts, not socialogical nonsense.

Almost all outcomes that people care about are expressed in the context of society. Income, crime, career, marriage, children. Most of these outcomes begin with the individual. The individual is driven by genes and environment.

Of course these figures don't apply to every black person.

Look, we have a problem of male domestic violence. Does that mean that every man strikes his wife? If society talks about the problem of male violence, does that mean that every non-violent man should take offense? Does that mean every non-violent man should work to shut people up about talking about male violence?

If the general observation doesn't apply to you, then you have no reason to be offended.

All of the things you listed are, for the most part, based on personal choices. And whites make the same personal choices.

No, most of those are not based on personal choices, something which a person can will himself to do differently. There are limits to how effective brainwashing and behavior modification techniques can go. People do what they do because they're naturally inclined to do what they want to do. Sure, people are not robots, but the personal choices that we all make are not reason-driven all the time, we can't will ourselves to be something that runs counter to our nature.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Intelligence = genetics + environment

Thats a false equation. if that were true then all children would do equally as well from the same familiy. Frequently some children will be successful while some will end up on skid row.

You don't share the identical environment to your sibling. When you look at the world, your sibling influences your environment. When you sibling looks out, he's not there, you're there influencing his environment. Your interactions with parents are different than his. You have friends which are different than his. And so on.

 

[Asclepias]

Intelligence = genetics + environment

Thats a false equation. if that were true then all children would do equally as well from the same familiy. Frequently some children will be successful while some will end up on skid row.

You don't share the identical environment to your sibling. When you look at the world, your sibling influences your environment. When you sibling looks out, he's not there, you're there influencing his environment. Your interactions with parents are different than his. You have friends which are different than his. And so on.

Save it. You are trying to do the rope a dope and there is no rope. You are only a dope.

You have hypothesized, conjectured, and confused yourself to the point you are contradicting yourself. At some point you have start thinking if your conclusions are not provable on any individual level you are simply wrong. It cant be genetics simply because Africans are more African than African-Americans. It has to be a combination of factors that are only provable when the socio-economic level of all Black people are the same as other races and there is no racial caste system in existence..

 

[Indofred]

Let me see.
You bring a bunch of people in as slaves with no rights.
After freedom, you treat them worse than stray dogs.
Up to not all that many years ago, you refused education and even seats on buses.

Now you wonder why so many are poorly educated.
I see where the fucking morons are, and I'll be happy to give you a clue - it's the racist cretins.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Let me see.
You bring a bunch of people in as slaves with no rights.
After freedom, you treat them worse than stray dogs.
Up to not all that many years ago, you refused education and even seats on buses.

Now you wonder why so many are poorly educated.
I see where the fucking morons are, and I'll be happy to give you a clue - it's the racist cretins.

Let me see.

Some Indonesian dude ignores evidence from his own country and regurgitates American liberal dogma.

Chinese Indonesians:

Their population grew rapidly during the colonial period when workers were contracted from their home provinces in southern China. Indonesia's 2010 census reported more than 2.8 million self-identified ethnic Chinese: 1.20 percent of the country's population.[1] Under the Dutch ethnic classification policy, Chinese Indonesians were considered "foreign orientals"; as such, they struggled to enter the colonial and national sociopolitical scene, despite successes in their economic endeavors. Evidence of discrimination against Chinese Indonesians can be found throughout the history of Indonesia, although government policies implemented since 1998 have attempted to redress this. Resentment of ethnic Chinese economic aptitude grew in the 1950s as native Indonesian merchants felt they could not remain competitive.​

Discrimination against Chinese Indonesians:

Discrimination and violence against people of Chinese descent in Indonesia has been recorded since at least 1740, when the Dutch Colonial Government killed up to 10,000 people of Chinese descent during the Chinezenmoord. In the period since then, discrimination and violence have been recorded both foreign and Indonesian governments. The worst outbreaks took place in 1998, when hundreds of Chinese were killed and dozens more raped during the May 1998 riots.

The discrimination can take the form of violence, diction or language use, and restrictive legislation. Due to this discrimination, Chinese Indonesians have suffered an identity crisis, unable to be accepted by both native Chinese and native Indonesians. . .

Beginning in the Colonial Era, legislation was introduced specifically against Chinese Indonesians. One of the first was in 1816 and required ethnic Chinese to carry a special pass at all times.[7] This was later expanded on during the Sukarno regime, with all Chinese Indonesians being required to state their intent to stay Indonesian citizens in 1958[a] and in 1959 being forbidden from doing business outside of urban areas.[8]

This continued into the New Order. Chinese Indonesians were forced to choose Indonesian-sounding names,[c][9] forbidden to practice their traditions,[d][10] and required to obtain extra proof of citizenship.[d][11] In total, forty five directly or indirectly discriminatory laws were passed during the New Order.[12] Although the majority of this legislation was rescinded during the presidencies of Abdurrahman Wahid and Megawati Sukarnoputri,[13] instances of enforcement continue​

How has all this discrimination kept Indonesian Chinese down?

By the 1950s virtually all retail stores in Indonesia were owned by ethnic Chinese entrepreneurs, whose businesses ranged from selling groceries to construction material. Discontentment soon grew among indigenous merchants who felt unable to compete with ethnic Chinese businesses.[111] Under pressure from indigenous merchants, the government enacted the Benteng program and Presidential Regulation 10 of 1959, which imposed restrictions on ethnic Chinese importers and rural retailers. Ethnic Chinese businesses persisted, owing to their integration into larger networks throughout Southeast Asia, and their dominance continued despite continuous state and private efforts to encourage the growth of indigenous capital. . . .

Indigenous businessmen once again demanded greater investment support from the government in the 1970s, but legislative efforts failed to reduce ethnic Chinese dominance.[114] In a 1995 study published by the East Asia Analytical Unit of Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, approximately 73 percent of the market capitalization value of publicly listed companies (excluding foreign and state-owned companies) were owned by Chinese Indonesians. Additionally, they owned 68 percent of the top 300 conglomerates and nine of the top ten private sector groups at the end of 1993.[115] This figure propagated the general belief that ethnic Chinese—then estimated at 3 percent of the population—controlled 70 percent of the economy.

​

 

[BriannaMichele]

Only racists are terrified of the idea of two people from "different races" having a relationship and possibly reproducing. What are they so afraid of? Healthier children? The bettering of humans genetically as a whole? Evolutionary advances? What kind of person doesn't want what's natural and what's best for his or her species? (Not saying that people HAVE to have interracial relationships) but if people want to why stand in their way if they're actually producing healthy children whether knowingly or not? Outbreeding "breeds out" hereditary diseases and genetic flaws. Biracial children (such as myself) are a sign of evolutionary advance as well as social advances. I'm not saying that me and every other biracial or multi-racial person is superman but we are here in greater numbers than ever and that shows that humans are moving forward. Anyone who wants to pedal backwards is just afraid. It's about time people stopped concerning themselves with where people's ancestors originated from and start learning more about people emotionally and intellectually. People who reject potentially compatible partners of another "race" simply because of their skin tone are essentially rejecting potential happiness. If people would stop spending so much time being hateful and intimidated, they'd be surprised at how quickly they find happiness.


•Pinky•

 

[reconmark]

Only racists are terrified of the idea of two people from "different races" having a relationship and possibly reproducing. What are they so afraid of? Healthier children? The bettering of humans genetically as a whole? Evolutionary advances? What kind of person doesn't want what's natural and what's best for his or her species? (Not saying that people HAVE to have interracial relationships) but if people want to why stand in their way if they're actually producing healthy children whether knowingly or not? Outbreeding "breeds out" hereditary diseases and genetic flaws. Biracial children (such as myself) are a sign of evolutionary advance as well as social advances. I'm not saying that me and every other biracial or multi-racial person is superman but we are here in greater numbers than ever and that shows that humans are moving forward. Anyone who wants to pedal backwards is just afraid. It's about time people stopped concerning themselves with where people's ancestors originated from and start learning more about people emotionally and intellectually. People who reject potentially compatible partners of another "race" simply because of their skin tone are essentially rejecting potential happiness. If people would stop spending so much time being hateful and intimidated, they'd be surprised at how quickly they find happiness.


•Pinky•

What you will find is that educated people, moral people, sensible people and intelligent people of all races could care less what other people choose to do in their choice of marriage and relationships.

It is usually the less intelligent and educated that have no accomplishments and intellectual abilities that cause them to believe that the greatest accomplishment in their lives involves something they had absolutely nothing to do with.

Look all over the Globe at so called "racialist" and the assorted names they assign to themselves, it's composed of the less able of society that are looking for something to elevate their social status and give their lives a purpose that they are incapable of initiating themselves.

 

[Asclepias]

Only racists are terrified of the idea of two people from "different races" having a relationship and possibly reproducing. What are they so afraid of? Healthier children? The bettering of humans genetically as a whole? Evolutionary advances? What kind of person doesn't want what's natural and what's best for his or her species? (Not saying that people HAVE to have interracial relationships) but if people want to why stand in their way if they're actually producing healthy children whether knowingly or not? Outbreeding "breeds out" hereditary diseases and genetic flaws. Biracial children (such as myself) are a sign of evolutionary advance as well as social advances. I'm not saying that me and every other biracial or multi-racial person is superman but we are here in greater numbers than ever and that shows that humans are moving forward. Anyone who wants to pedal backwards is just afraid. It's about time people stopped concerning themselves with where people's ancestors originated from and start learning more about people emotionally and intellectually. People who reject potentially compatible partners of another "race" simply because of their skin tone are essentially rejecting potential happiness. If people would stop spending so much time being hateful and intimidated, they'd be surprised at how quickly they find happiness.


•Pinky•

In the case of white racists I can only point to abject fear. They know their genes are recessive and they fear they will disappear. In the case of others I can only think they harbor a mentality that seeks to preserve their look. I've heard Black racists say white people dilute the purity by introducing mental issues and instability. All of them are equally retarded.

 

[Unkotare]

It is usually the less intelligent and educated that have no accomplishments and intellectual abilities that cause them to believe that the greatest accomplishment in their lives involves something they had absolutely nothing to do with.

Look all over the Globe at so called "racialist" and the assorted names they assign to themselves, it's composed of the less able of society that are looking for something to elevate their social status and give their lives a purpose that they are incapable of initiating themselves.

Make sure Asclepias reads your post carefully. He needs it.

 

[Unkotare]

What you will find is that educated people, moral people, sensible people and intelligent people of all races could care less what other people choose to do in their choice of marriage and relationships.

The likes of 'friends,' 'tank,' 'rikurzhen,' and such ilk certainly support your thesis.

If that loser 52ndStreet ever comes back here, I hope he gets a chance to read your words of wisdom.

 

[Asclepias]

It is usually the less intelligent and educated that have no accomplishments and intellectual abilities that cause them to believe that the greatest accomplishment in their lives involves something they had absolutely nothing to do with.

Look all over the Globe at so called "racialist" and the assorted names they assign to themselves, it's composed of the less able of society that are looking for something to elevate their social status and give their lives a purpose that they are incapable of initiating themselves.

Make sure Asclepias reads your post carefully. He needs it.

If you notice I agree 100% with his post. You were the one that got angry when I mentioned I had a Korean ex girlfriend remember?